113 thoughts on “De Wednesday Papers

    1. Frilly Keane

      not a bit put out by Saturday’s poll
      are they

      Seriously
      For such a big
      And wealthy
      Organisation
      With deeply engrained institutional status
      The Catholic Church are conducting themselves like a teenage girl getting miffed over not getting an invite to a grads

      Makes ya wonder like

      1. SOQ

        I think that like the DUP they are afraid their little party is over. They have a grip on the children up there too remember?

        Council for Catholic Maintained Schools (CCMS) is the advocate for the Catholic Maintained schools sector in Northern Ireland. onlineccms.com

    2. Jonner

      Seems reasonable. If you don’t subscribe to the catholic church ethos, why seek a catholic church wedding?

      They have rules, if you don’t like them, go somewhere else.

          1. Cian

            I wonder if we could use GDPR to force the CC to unsubscribe us?
            There is a right to deletion, isn’t there?

  1. Cu Cullan

    Originally a public workhouse it was, almost certainly, converted for use as a “Special institution”, exclusively for single mothers, in 1906. It was owned and financed by the Poor Law Guardians and the Dublin Union and run by the Sisters of the Daughters of Saint Vincent de Paul (later called the Daughters of Charity) on their behalf.

    Saint Patrick’s was by far the largest mother and baby home, in terms of the numbers who passed through, and approximately 9,000 to 12,000 women and girls went through its doors. Babies and children who passed away were sent for burial in Glasnevin Cemetery, in north Dublin, to both the children’s “Angel’s Plot” and in the early years to the pauper graves.

  2. Cu Cullan

    Approximately 35,000 women and girls went through nine mother and baby homes between 1904 and 1996. It is unlikely the true figure will ever be known.

    At least 6,000 babies and children died in the nine homes and their births and deaths were registered just as they were in Tuam.

    1. Sheik Yahbouti

      You might mention that to Newsjustin and rotide – they (in their civil service way) appear yo want to nit pick over it. Giz a heads up as to where the graves are – I may wish to dance on them
      :-(

  3. Cu Cullan

    I’m just putting those notes up for those people on this site who have chosen to continue to live in self satisfied denial.

  4. Cu Cullan

    In this second structure, significant quantities of human remains have been discovered in at least 17 of the 20 underground chambers which were examined. A small number of remains were recovered for the purpose of analysis. These remains involved a number of individuals with age-at-death ranges from approximately 35 foetal weeks to 2-3 years. Radiocarbon dating of the samples recovered suggest that the remains date from the timeframe relevant to the operation of the Mother and Baby Home (the Mother and Baby Home operated from 1925 to 1961; a number of the samples are likely to date from the 1950s). Further scientific tests are being conducted.

    The Commission is shocked by this discovery and is continuing its investigation into who was responsible for the disposal of human remains in this way. Meanwhile, the Commission has asked that the relevant State authorities take responsibility for the appropriate treatment of the remains. The Coroner has been informed.

    1. Sheik Yahbouti

      Ah, but will Minister Zappone actually do anything, or sanction the necessary funds and research?

      1. SOQ

        I think if you take a more granular approach, like proximity to CC and age, you will find that the white London population who can cycle into the CC is much less than 60%. White (read affluent) people tend to live further out in the leafy suburbs, which are too far.

        This is not ‘PC gone mad’ grandpa, there are common sense reasons for doing it.

          1. SOQ

            Yeah I know, The pollution in London is at danger levels now yet the Evening Standard, Mail etc all spun it as some sort of anti Khan thing.

          2. Nigel

            No it’s not. You’re over-reacting and taking offence in a way that is frankly embarrassing for you. Banging your head on the table over a headline about London cycling demographics? Calm down, like.

          3. Clampers Outside!

            No, the truth is that a light sigh and a bit of an eyeroll was the biggest emotional expression I made when I read it. What I wrote was for fun, like you do too often on here. The so called “outrage” was what you and Star assumed because you dont, I believe, have the ability for anything but seeing extremes when those you disagree with say something you don’t apparently like.

            It is that simple. Calm yourself pet, you’ll feel better and less likely to be polarising in your responses, if you do.

            Now for lunch, laters :)

          4. Nigel

            Walkin’ back the fake outrage? Good idea. You might have looked a bit silly there.

    1. Starina

      If you paused your outrage for a minute you might realise that beyond the outrage-baiting headline, this is mostly about class. Removing the £5-latte-swilling, £1,000-bike-riding perception of London cyclists and helping everyone else (white or not) get on their bike, so to speak. Reduces traffic and pollution, improves health and increases mobility of the working and lower-middle classes in London. Can only be a good thing.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        See my comments which says pretty much that. Why should he target those who make an effort and not run a health campaign targeting those that don’t cycle.

        I think your the one who is outraged.

        1. Nigel

          Clamps: bangs head on desk.
          Starina: calmly assesses story.
          Clampers: YOU’RE THE OUTRAGE.

          1. Nigel

            What does figurative head desking indicate if not outrage? A figurative itchy forehead?

          2. mildred st meadowlark

            Lads, everyone come look! Clamps and Nigel are fighting again!

            It is finally back normal round here!

          3. Nigel

            MY FOOT HURTS AND IT’S MAKING ME TRUCULENT. So thanks, Clamps for being there for me.

  5. Cu Cullan

    My apologies for overdoing this, but sometimes it just has to be said. The introduction of abortion in the uk just happens to coincide with the ending of these horror homes. For too long this was allowed to continue and yet today, even after Fridays vote we still have apologists for this. This was an Irish solution to a human problem. Well, no more.

  6. Cu Cullan

    From the report:

    Twelve of the 18 who starved were girls and there is a suspicion that some were mentally retarded. Bridget Agatha Kenny was two months old when she died as a result of marasmus, child malnutrition, on August 23, 1947. She is described as having been ‘mentally defective.’

    She was one of 18 children whose cause of death was listed as child malnutrition or the official term “marasmus.”

    And as the buckos commenting earlier believe in this, then each one of these children, and the many thousands of others who were starved and maltreated will be waiting to meet you, as you pass.

  7. Cu Cullan

    Twelve of the 18 who starved were girls and there is a suspicion that some were mentally retarded. Bridget Agatha Kenny was two months old when she died as a result of marasmus, child malnutrition, on August 23, 1947. She is described as having been ‘mentally defective.’

    She was one of 18 children whose cause of death was listed as child malnutrition or the official term “marasmus.”

    Apologies if the last comment with this was too harsh.. I think it should stand.

  8. Shayna

    Yikes, Clampers – I never considered other cyclists – it’s just so free flowing in London, the mutual distaste for other human beings.

  9. bisted

    …oh look…there’s George Soros trying to persuade the Brits to vote again on Brexit…where would we be without these benevalent Yanks…

    1. DeKloot

      Um. He’s European. But that hardly fits the narrative, right? Imagine that. Lad done well uses his money to try prevent the horrors of the past. The world needs less of these type, right?

      1. bisted

        …ok then…where would we be without benevolent Hungarians…such a shining beacon of European tolerence…

          1. bisted

            …I was talking about Hungarian/American who made an illegal donation to Amnesty Ireland which has not been returned…the government of Hungary is democratically elected so I’m saying most Hungarians…

          2. mildred st. meadowlark

            But you did generalise Hungarians (not to be pedantic). That said, we all knew you were talking about Soros.

          3. samwise_gangee

            you need to look a little deeper, to his ethnic connections. he’s a terrorist but the guardian don’t mind, neither do those of you championing liberal orthodoxy.

        1. Clampers Outside!

          The majority of European people in all countries in the EU want a halt to immigration from outside the EU… are the majority of Europeans intolerant now or is it that the undemocratic EU just does what it wants regardless of the people’s wishes?

      2. jusayinlike

        Dekloot – he has been convicted for fraud and insider trading in both Hungary and France.

        1. Clampers Outside

          It appears that some give out about the RCC having influence on govts and say it is undemocratic… but when one billionaire does it… just one person, and they being a wanted criminal in a number of countries… it’s OK.

          Am I doing this right?

          1. Nigel

            Yeah how could we have allowed Soros to give am those one-sided sermons in all those crowded AI chruches in parishes across Ireland?

          2. Clampers Outside!

            LOL! :) No, not at all, dear Nigel…. please read your own sentence and the typos and plse explain the stuff that is nonsensical.

            Then I would be delighted to respond, thank you.

            Your muddled sentence of nonsensical gibberish – “Yeah how could we have allowed Soros to give am those one-sided sermons in all those crowded AI chruches in parishes across Ireland?”

            … What does “allowed Soros to give am those one-sided sermons” mean?
            Clearly, “am” is a typo and I’ve no idea what the sentence is supposed to be because of it.

            What does “one-sided sermons” refer to?

            What does “AI churches” mean? again I’ve no clue.

            Please, if you could write clearly, I’ll happily respond, thank you.

          3. Nigel

            It means, dear Clampers, that you are either disingenuous or not very bright. Or both.

        1. DeKloot

          The alt-right whackjobs won’t rest until he’s on death row for crimes against humanity alright….

          1. Clampers Outside!

            Pardon? All I’m saying is it is anti-democratic to have one person influencing entire countries.

            Not sure what you’re on about? Name calling me is it? That’d be original pet.

            One need not be of that persuasion to recognise the issues with Soros’ influence being undemocratic, thank you.

          2. DeKloot

            Dearest Clamps, no… I’m not calling you names or even implying same. I’m only making the point that Soros is constantly and so utterly vilified by those who live on the fringes. It’s comical really. Similar to the left-fringe view of the Koch Bros. As in that he/they should be on death row for the most appalling of abuses of their wealth.
            It’s surreal really. Most all people of extreme wealth use it to influence things one way or another. Some are more pernicious than others but as for Soros? He gets so much flak but he’s hardly the worst of them.

          3. bisted

            …dearest DeKloot…one thing that marked the recent referendum was the apparent limitless funding of the ‘No’ campaign by sinister groups from the US…however well-intentioned the Soros donation was, it was illegal and therefore counter-productive…

    2. Nigel

      How dare he that sort of thing is only allowed for the rich racist who funded Cambridge Analytica.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        FYI… http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-40423629/did-cambridge-analytica-play-a-role-in-the-eu-referendum

        BBC’s Garbriel Gatehouse concludes at the end of this BBC News report – “For some opponents of Brexit, the idea that the EU referendum was hijacked by alt-right hypnotists wielding hitech psychological weaponry looks perhaps like a reasonable explanation BUT THE KNOWN FACTS DON’T QUITE SUPPORT THIS THEORY. Perhaps this is simply theatrics and over zealous PR, perhaps. But it remains a story of contradictions and unanswered questions”

        Also…

        From the UK Information Commissioner, tasked with the investigation, last updated earlier this month – https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2018/05/ico-statement-investigation-into-data-analytics-for-political-purposes/

        The jury is still out on this… just sayin’

        1. Nigel

          So it’s okay so long as afterwards it’s difficult to pin down how much of an effect there was and they’re right wing. Got it.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            No.
            It is still under investigation whether there was any marked influence as per the UK Information Commissioner’s office. But hey, you go and assume you know more than they do, but I’ll wait for the report, thank you.

          2. Nigel

            Yeah, like I said. Soros is the devil. Right wing billionaires deserve a fair hearing and a precise measurement of the extent of their interference before so.much as a harsh word be uttered.

          3. Clampers Outside!

            Whatever about the billionaire and his all round dealings and shenanigans which you are commenting on. That’s not the topic at hand.

            The discussion is… did cambridge analytica influence Brexit?

            Like I said, I’ll wait for the report.
            I say again, I’m talking about a specific case, you are generalising. And to be honest, my own opinion on meddling billionaires is not far from your own, but can we just stay on topic please Nigel with regard to this case on cambridge analytica and stop with sweeping generalisations which add little to nothing for discussing specific topics. Thank you :)

    3. SOQ

      Just on this Soros subject, looks like the right wing neo Nazis are beginning to get a serious blow back.

      In Berlin, the far right AfD organised a march. Various group including 100 dance clubs organised a counter protest and arrived on boats and lorries with sound systems. Their techno rallying cry was “We are progressive, queer, feminist, anti-racist, inclusive, colourful and we have unicorns.” Only 2 out of the estimated 10000 AfD supporters turned up. Clearly the unicorns frightened them off.
      https://www.thelocal.de/20180527/thousands-of-counter-far-right-takes-to-streets

      Meanwhile in Tbilisi in Georgia, after the right wing authorities raided its best known techno club Bassiani, thousands of protestors arrived outside the parliament buildings to protest, and dance obviously, err… for two full days. There were clashes with neo Nazis and the priests were furious. To raise awareness, the whole thing was streamed live by the Boiler Room, which is the largest online techno club in the world.
      https://www.georgianjournal.ge/society/34483-the-first-protest-expressed-through-massive-rave-to-electronic-music-in-tbilisi.html

      1. samwise_gangee

        Let the stupid AfD have their march – didn’t people let the gay people have theirs? ..they did and now they demand a gay float at a St Patrick’s Day parade. So who is it that is power-mad? Lunatics on the social-justice left have been socially engineered to stand for nothing but their silly little sub-culture movements. You might say they are useful.

        1. SOQ

          So, you are comparing a gay pride to a Nazi march in of all places Berlin then complaining about how the gays are power mad?

          Yes dear.

  10. Cu Cullan

    For the 3rd time:

    Twelve of the 18 who starved were girls and there is a suspicion that some were mentally retarded. Bridget Agatha Kenny was two months old when she died as a result of marasmus, child malnutrition, on August 23, 1947. She is described as having been ‘mentally defective.’

    She was one of 18 children whose cause of death was listed as child malnutrition or the official term “marasmus.”

    1. Catherine costelloe

      Like a horror story. Hidden Ireland. The latest “scandal” on fraudulent birth certificates breaking yesterday has been known since 2008 . Clare Daly has come in for praise as being the only political that fought for victims behind the scenes. I cannot get my head around being cruel to defenceless babies and vulnerable women.

  11. samwise_gangee

    One man’s terrorist, another man’s freedom fighter – still a terrorist. Now that his good work on Repeal is complete, it’s time for him to get out the address book, some writing paper and the gold tipped Parker pen – and start some new and exciting conversations.

    “If you want to destroy a nation, don’t bomb it to the stone age, just give every of its citizen 500$ a month. After 2 generations, the nation will be destroyed.” – Janusz Korwin-Mikke

    Leaving the EU was never going to be easy. Maybe Brexit was in the blue-print all along, to be revoked with a second referendum and a message that leaving the EU is futile….the very idea of that should startle people.

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