So trump is busy organising deals already with the UK for post brexit as Europe is preaching and acting the hard man with the UK
Meanwhile Varadkar just cannot see the shafting that is coming from our EU chums as EU interests are all that matters .
Ireland’s interests are secondary to the EU,so when push comes to shove we get shafted
ReproBertie
Trump’s advisor told the Sasamach MPs that the US hopes to be able to have a deal with the UK 2 years post-Sasamach. That’ll be at least a year after his presidency ends.
Ireland is the EU and after the summit at the weekend May has been sent home to face down Mogg & Co. and work to prevent a hard Sasamach.
Giggidygoo
Trump may get a second term.
ReproBertie
LOL!
Nigel
It’s sadly not unfeasible that the guy who won the presidency while getting 3 million less votes than his opponent might win again.
ReproBertie
I think the Democrats who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Clinton will be likely to vote against the racist, sexist liar who’s destroying everything that they see as good about America. They’d have to run the worst candidate in history to lose.
bisted
…the worst candidate in history…is crooked Hillary going to run again?
“Moreover, Clinton’s margin among women (relative to Trump), while solid, was not historic. According to New York Times exit polls, Bill Clinton won women by a bigger margin in 1996, as did Obama in 2008. Al Gore won women by about the same margin as Hillary in 2000. Nor was Trump’s margin among men unprecedented for Republicans: Nixon (’72), Reagan (’80, ’84) and George H.W. Bush (’88) all won the male vote by a larger margin than Trump. The “historic” gap emerged because both candidates had slightly bigger margins than usual among either men or women, not because Trump or Clinton did amazingly well with either group.”
Nigel
Pretty much a foregone conclusion that no matter who they run, they will be The Worst Candidate In History according to the far right and the Putin left.
Nigel
The article starts by chiding academics and the meeja for looking for excuses for why Clinton lost, (without actually quoting any or referring directly to any) then completely avoids any examination of why Trump won – other than that Clinton lost. Hey-ho.
You read the opening three paras, then scanned the story for a mention of Trump… go on, admit it :)
( There are 7 links in those first three paragraphs, and truck loads more (25 more I counted) through out the piece linking to studies and media reports. )
LOL! :) Don’t worry, I am, but her dogged and deluded supporters could do with your advice :)
Nigel
Or to put it another way, Trump won, Clampers, it’s possible, even necessary to sometimes talk about what he is doing and its effects on the world without reference to Clinton.
Listen pet, I responded to a comment with a good analysis of Clinton voters. I was on topic.
if you wish to talk about something else, just say so, instead of pulling a point out of the air and suggest that’s what I should be talking about. You do have form for such commentary, so it’s expected of you, but, no thanks, for your attempts to make the chat about something else.
Happy to do so on another thread if you wish.
Nigel
Yes. Every time Trump comes up people should avoid getting sidetracked by the Trump supporter who starts going on about her. You’ll notice that it was you and blisted who actually directly invoked her here.
On topic as a reply to blisted who was the first to mention Clinton, yeah. The first comment on this thread was about brexit. The analysis in the article is terrible. Telling me to read it again won’t make it any better.
Trump related topics in this thread that had nothing to do with Clinton:
– I wouldn’t want to be a country isolating itself from its neighbours and relying on deals with Trump, given his recent track record on what constitutes a good deal for the US
– Trump’s re-election is not a done deal but it’s not hugely unlikely either. As well as an unshakeable base and a solid economy inherited from the previous administration, there are undemocratic advantages accruing to the republican party – gerrymandering, voter suppression, support from possible Russian interference.
– there are potential time-bombs that may or may not blow up in Trump’s face: the effects of the tax-cuts, the impending trade war, healthcare, the results of various investigation, a back;lash against a right-leaning supreme court undermining or destroying various progressive achievements relating to civil rights and abortion, popular revulsion at his brutal and cruel anti-immigration policies.
I replied to Bisted, who mentioned Hillary. Bisted was replying to Repro (who started the conversation) who mentioned Hillary, and it was to these two I responded on topic with an article on Hillary.
The rest of this comment I’m responding to is you going off on another tangent about Dump…. pfft!
Giggidygoo
‘Twas LOL that he’d get a first term :-)
Nigel
The election was two years ago but talking about Trump in terms of current affairs or future elections is a tangent?
bisted
…really Nigel…you know that I won’t give crooked Hillary an even break…but someone of your erudition I would expect to get my name right…bisted…it’s a spoonerism on twitter…twitter and bisted…bitter and twisted…geddit?
Nigel
Sorry blister.
bisted
…no problem Nige…
Nigel
I’m going to pretend I was making a Twisted Blister joke.
Brother Barnabas
it’s repugnant and appalling but trump WILL get a second term
economy is doing fine
jusayinlike
LOL @ Bertie..
shortforBob
I wonder what the odds of Trump being reelected are at the moment?
I’m still worried he’ll start a war to boost his reelection chances.
bennny
Dealing with the American tourists in west cork ,most think he is doing a good job
He has kept his promises
North Korea
Bad for US trade deals
More jobs
Stock market rising
Success for American armed forces
And a great move in the middle east that has removed cards from terrorist hands
The moving of the embassy to Jerusalem was a master stroke
Teresa
There’s more than a good chance that Trump will get a second term. Never underestimate the stupidity of the US vote or forget that Dubya (the second worst president in US history) also got a second term despite his inability to string a sentence together whilst invading a nation that still suffers to this day as a consequence.
bennny
And Merkel went back to try and rescue her government
Sadly the lies regarding EU agreement on migration is unravelling as nation after nation are contradicting her
Sadly when the EU cannot agree a migrant policy brexit is way beyond their capability
Meanwhile varadkar has another march to go on
MaryLou's ArmaLite
What is it exactly that you think Varadkar should have done? Come up with a way to keep the UK both inside and outside the UK?
bisted
…the DUP have already done this…they have Irish and UK passports…up North they are called Shroedinger’s Catholics…
bennny
Tell the EU if you harm the UK you harm us
If we suffer we go and of course sue us
We can survive 4.5 million people on a landmass rich in resources and a diaspora of ten to twenty times that
A massive market
Our fishing industry grounds alone are worth billions
With a new direction our future could be pretty bright instead of an indentured nation
ReproBertie
Dream on benny. The Sasamach shambles is all the evidence we need to stay in the EU as an equal partner, something over 90% of Irish citizens support, rather than sitting outside trying to work out trade deals and travel rights. We’re not leaving and May will be disappointing the DUP and Mogg’s mob with the deal she strikes.
ReproBertie
You’re missing the point again though. The EU is not harming the UK. The UK are self harming. The EU are just enforcing the club rules which the UK want to ignore while keeping the benefits. The EU are fighting our corner on the border.
Nigel
And even if that’s true it all the fault of the UK and Brexit. Good luck making deals with Trump for a lesson in walking open-eyed into a shafting.
Ollie Cromwell
Poor Nigel – dry your eyes,m8.
Two years you’ve been warning it’ll never happen.
Two wasted years.
Put another Wolfe Tones record on ya muppet.
Nigel
I think what I’ve been warning about is more or less what’s happening, acksherly, and I prefer Paul Simon *puts on Slip Slidin’ Away*
mildred st meadowlark
As opposed to the classically tuneful warblings of those musical geniuses, The Streets.
I applaud the mainstream normalisation of honest and sincere expressions of male emotion and peer support and lack of shaming. Otherwise urrrrgh that song.
mildred st meadowlark
Nail, head, etc.
Have a pint on me, dear Nigel.
Nigel
Thank you m’dear.
bennny
Trump is a businessman and his job is to get the best deal
Government or the public sector do not create wealth
Infact if the private sector ran their businesses like the public sector they would be bankrupt
Nigel
Like Trump was several times? Trump has a long history of screwing people. Good luck UK!
Cian
But private sector and public sector are different. You can’t apply the same standards to both. Private enterprises are happy to cherry pick the bits of “government” services they want to provide. The profitable bits; certain bus routes; certain hospital procedures; and leave all the loss-making stuff to government.
Secondly, while the Government/public sector do not directly create wealth – they enable wealth creation.
– The government builds motorways, then private companies use these to create wealth.
– the government implements/enforces copyright laws. Private companies rely on these to create wealth.
Daisy Chainsaw
“Reality” show a bunch of fake, contrived nonsense?
Say it ain’t so!! I, for one, am shocked… shocked, I tell you.
Lilly
Linda Mulhall has done her time. How is it in the public’s interest for the Sunday World to hound her? Rag.
Daisy Chainsaw
Catherine Nevin’s dead so they need a new Femme Fatale/Bogeywoman to demonise. This woman is obviously easier to find and harass than say, Larry Murphy or the gangland lads they fetishise.
Lilly
Charlotte Mulhall was friendly with Catherine Nevin in jail, apparently, although Mulhall did describe Nevin as a ‘devious c**t’, which was probably not too far off the mark.
bennny
Catherine nevin was a murdering monster
Are you for real
Maybe say that to the children of her dead husband
Ting-Tong
100% lilly + daisy she was young and manipulated by her mother at the time leave her in peace
jusayinlike
Yesterday’s INDO:
“Tell on your water waster neighbors”
Today’s INDO:
“Water meters to track hose cheats”
IW propaganda machine.
Dhaughton99
Councils sell off the waste services and now demand to see your receipts.
bennny
Like a page from George Orwell
Lets enshrine the right to be ripped off in our constitution
Martco
ah now…haven’t you heard that Water Cheats Cheat Us All?
see if only you’d rolled over & had your belly tickled yet again like good compliant citizen none of this redalert water ohmygodwereallgonnadie crisis would ever have happened!
and only god knows where the money is gonna come from for all those ‘19 reg Audi’s that will be needed to fix de leaks!
SOQ
Exactly how are Irish Water going to monitor wastage given that they only read meters on a billing cycle and how is that data going to be collated for a prosecution?
The incompetence of their public relations is only excelled by their human resources department. Apparently GDPR is to be sidestepped by emails stating that you have been successfully entered onto a ‘panel’ without actually been told you didn’t get the job interviewed for.
People will leave taps running just to spite that sort of high handed nonsense. Calling Irish Water clowns is a insult to clowns.
Catherine costelloe
I was chatting to a farmer this week who told me one local farm and a piggery used over 750,000 litres of water this week for their stock. Livestock increased substantially owing to grants from EEC. Beef to China /Brazil etc from here and Dublin residents can’t water their plants. Irish Water is a joke.
bennny
My god what a waste
I wonder did you wash your car and Dublin bus use many times more to wash their busses
But blame the farmers
Also all your dry waste like tin cans
I assume you wash them before collection
Ting-Tong
Jesus bennny what’s up don’t tell me youve ran out of shhhhteam
Out watering your tulips no doubt
ReproBertie
Dublin Bus stopped washing the busses a week ago.
Massey Fergus & Son
Gerrup the yard bennny.
I don’t know who told you it was ok to leave your tractor unattended like this. Mass finished ages ago.
Get back in your own field.
You think you’re great because you got a lock-in in your uncle’s pub.
Massey Fergus & Son
I take it all back bennnnnny.
The Wi-Fi on this tractor is deadly, and there doesn’t seem to be any sort of Parental Control. I Googled ‘carrots and cucumbers’; and you wouldn’t believe what popped up.
They should have stuff like this in the big towns, or the more ‘cosmopolitan’ Cities.like Limerick or Galway.
Scoff away.
Not every single person outside Dublin is an idiot.
Massey Fergus & Son
We should befriend them.
We should try to learn their language, then give up 2mins later and shout at them.
We should buy stuff from them and sell it back to them at a higher price.
We should give them the steering-wheel during lambing season*.
We should stop slagging them. They do it better than us, especially when you bring sheep into the equation…
*I don’t even know what ‘lambing-season’ means. Is it like 1000 Island Dressing?
jusayinlike
“Frances Fitzgerald demands…”
Yea, whatever..
Otis Blue
Who?
Giggidygoo
Summer recess.
Sheik Yahbouti
Good oul’ Flathead Frannie. In the meantime, is anyone else becoming psychotic from lack of sleep?
Frances Fitzgerald can demand away. Such a complete muppet that one.
D
What’s the harm? Hopefully if proven successful the quota system will be extended to areas without prestige too. Men have frequently been promoted past their competence, why not give women a shot?
Sounds more reasonable, but it should take into account and respect first and foremost, the choices of women.
That is, for that percent that do work, a respect for what those women choose or do not choose as a career. If they are not choosing a field of work the quota should respect that. A “demand” does not respect that.
Nigel
That’s very passive and complascent, though. Why do women make those decisions?
How long is a piece of string, and which string? :)
Your question should be directed at Frances, as she is the one with a pre-determined figure. I’m only pointing out that that figure is arbitrary, and without even the smallest of details to back it up other than % of people who are m/f which does not reflect in the available workforce.
Nigel
1. Women’s reasons and motivations are not unfathomable sacred mysteries that cannot be revealed or understood outside the sisterhood.
2. Yes, someone should ask her, I bet she has some notion.
3. Any figure like that will be arbitrary. Once you’ve agreed in principal that it needs to be done, the rest is negotiation.
1. Of course.
2. That’s what I said.
3. No, youre contradicting yourself now. It doesn’t have to be arbitrary, as you pointed out in your no. 1.
Nigel
Not sure where the contradiction is, but ok. It’ll be arbitrary, like any limit or quota is arbitrary, what it won’t be, should one be imposed, is random, it’ll be the result of negotiation, compromise and practicality. It’s unlikely to be 50%, though, except maybe as some lofty aspiration.
The point is quotas should not be arbitrarily set.
As you said in your first point, it’s not a mystery to find out, and use a figure that is not arbitrary, and your last point contradicts that. Simple really.
My first point was about the reasons why women might no be going into politics. Their reasons. You said their preferences should be respected. I said that’s not enough, their reasons for those preferences should be understood. Nothing to do with the 50% figure.
I note also that the upshot of those tweets is to accept women’s preferences, but not examine the reasons for those preferences. As well as, apparently, equating the perceptions of coloured dots with incidences of everyday sexism, racism, etc?
Also, again, no, I said any figure will be arbitrary, by the very nature of such figures, but it hopefully won’t be random, because there should be discernible and stated reasons for deciding on that figure. You disagree with the figure, fine. My argument here, again, is that once you’ve accepted that quotas are a good idea, the figure for the quotas will be the result of negotiation, argument and compromise.
Your first bit, their preference would have to take into account reasons. The reason is given, in that women prefer “people orientated careers”.
We are in agreement here, from 2hat I see. Unless you are going against the many many studies that show this reasoning.
Your second bit, you note incorrectly. If u click third tweet in the thread you’ll find two further studies. Also, the PBS article in the final tweet gives more info on preference, and reason.
And you are clearly not grasping the content of the colour study with regard to perception.
The last bit is not what you said earlier and quite frankly the first part of it is waffle. Originally, you said it “is random”, not arbitrary… which is a nonsense to say the least. Your own reading over your own comments is quite dismal, and (intentionally?) muddled in your further comments.
You conclusion this time is my point at the start, that figure should be neither arbitrary or random and should be come upon through discussion…. Not pulled out of one’s proverbial as Frances has done.
Nigel
You do realise you’re still talking about preferences not reasons for preferences right? You say a study that shows their reasons just…. shows their preferences. Disconnect further Illustrated by the way you state Fitzgerald has pulled the figure with no curiosity as to why she picked that figure. In terms of the tweets his conclusions don’t stand up well in the #metoo/ICE era. As for the rest you don’t know the difference between random and arbitrary.
You assume the conclusions don’t stand up but you give no reason. Care to elaborate why you think the conclusions don’t? Something a bit better than just stating that we’re in some “era”.
Elaboration on that supposition, is epecially required as it is a meta analysis of “vocational sex differences” of data over years, over four decades to be precise. But you knew that, because you read the threads content, right? yeah, or no? Probably not.
Nigel
You say nothing about reasons. Nothing whatsoever. Neither does the dudebro with the tweets. Nothing.
shortforBob
I support measures and quotas to improve equality of opportunity. This isn’t that.
This feels like another deliberate overstatement in order to try and force a fairer result.
Jesús, María, and Josépha
“Men have frequently been promoted past their competence, why not give women a shot?”
Frances Fitzgerald, lest you have forgotten, has already given that one a shot and proved the model is not gender specific.
The lack of self awareness is strong in that one :)
Giggidygoo
She’s not demanding 33% Male, 33% Female and 33% Trans then? Surely against the hopes of the leadership?
Nigel
Oooh transphobia. Edgy.
shortforBob
TERF is the new … something, I don’t know, seems like the top way to start an argument and not have any discussion or debate.
Nigel
Well don’t do that then.
D
Guess what percentage of the Dail will be exposed as Landlords after this Public Sector Standards bill is enforced?
Cian
Is there a prize?
I’d guess at 32% are landlords of accommodation (as opposed to owning a field that is rented out to a farmer.
Giggidygoo
Varadkar caught lying once again. Doing a deal with Lowry. And he didn’t hate it.
Irish Water getting a run of free spin time on Pravda. Pathetic lot.
Next referendum has to be on our Water supply/services.
Brother Barnabas
a couple of days into negotiations during formation of current government, there was rte news footage of varadkar and lowry speaking together. a couple of days later, varadkar said he hadn’t spoken to lowry in more than a year.
Giggidygoo
That’s Leo. Hopefully he calls an election soon. The polling companies are having a laugh at his (ours in some cases) expense.
In the meantime, we have the season of Bread and Circuses.
‘The purpose of bread and circuses is, as Neil Postman said in his book Amusing Ourselves to Death, to distract, to divert emotional energy towards the absurd and the trivial and the spectacle while you are ruthlessly stripped of power.’
ReproBertie
Why would Leo call an election when his partners in coalition are happy to go another year rather than risk facing off against a growing SF?
Giggidygoo
He’s probably expecting a better return on investment from his new Garda MI5 Commissioner than he got from Mairia Cahill.
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose as they don’t say in Dublin West or Tipperary.
Shilling for the poor man
Lest we forget, here’s Varadkar sunbathing in his back-garden…
[insert picture here]
Now that’s what I call political satire.
johnny
Digicel Deathwatch-Moody’s-dongraded Digicel to negative.
Its a non event driven downgrade which is much much more frightening,no outbreak of civil war,invasion by foreign forces/mercs,no super ebola or virus in any off the many cesspits Digi operates in.
Usually,its event driven,currency,earnings,political,interest rates -this is simply ..’.Moody’s Investors Service (“Moody’s”) has today changed to negative from stable the outlook on the ratings of Digicel Group Limited (“Digicel”, “DGL” or the “company”) ”
The reasons are not enough time to refi the ’20-2 billion bond or execute fire sales,Moodys is basically saying to Digi-we don’t believe you….
“The change in outlook to negative reflects the company’s ongoing high leverage and the reduced runway available to the company to simultaneously improve its fundamental credit profile and address its large looming debt maturities with anticipation.”
The rating agencies are the bookies off the bond markets-a good question is does it matter,the bonds were junk,the company failed in its IPO-so what difference does this make ?
In turning around or fixing companies/bonds its often controlled by the ‘narrative’ or the story,if its was a upgrade,Digi spokes would be celebrating,a downgarde ‘no comment’-so yes it matters.
The largest investors in Digi bonds (templeton,etc) hold them via emerging market funds,which have rules/limits on the portfolio mix off bonds,based off the credit ratings-eg 40% B2,20% B3-which often after a downgrade results in further pressure on the bonds.
A bigger issue is bad news ‘fatigue’,if its just a constant steam of negative news,downgrades and your not that ‘invested’ (attached) to the company or founders,the idea that ‘math’s the only factor on Wall St is nonsense,many holders are non sentimental emotional/gut traders,when there’s more and more bad news, go oh FFS-sell that,get me out for whatever you can………
This was very poor timing by Moody’s,dont they know who Dennis is :)
Digi bonds opened this morning at the lowest levels ever (low 70’s)-in essence if you are willing to receive 8% interest to lend Digicel 70 dollars today, you get back 100 in two years-problem is no one believes them !
Moody’s downgraded them (see above) and also released a “Credit Opinion” that’s subscriber (paywall) only,will get copy by lunchtime,its detailed and should be a good read, will review.extract it.
So trump is busy organising deals already with the UK for post brexit as Europe is preaching and acting the hard man with the UK
Meanwhile Varadkar just cannot see the shafting that is coming from our EU chums as EU interests are all that matters .
Ireland’s interests are secondary to the EU,so when push comes to shove we get shafted
Trump’s advisor told the Sasamach MPs that the US hopes to be able to have a deal with the UK 2 years post-Sasamach. That’ll be at least a year after his presidency ends.
Ireland is the EU and after the summit at the weekend May has been sent home to face down Mogg & Co. and work to prevent a hard Sasamach.
Trump may get a second term.
LOL!
It’s sadly not unfeasible that the guy who won the presidency while getting 3 million less votes than his opponent might win again.
I think the Democrats who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Clinton will be likely to vote against the racist, sexist liar who’s destroying everything that they see as good about America. They’d have to run the worst candidate in history to lose.
…the worst candidate in history…is crooked Hillary going to run again?
You might like this… https://quillette.com/2018/06/08/race-gender-trump-everything-think-know-wrong/
“Moreover, Clinton’s margin among women (relative to Trump), while solid, was not historic. According to New York Times exit polls, Bill Clinton won women by a bigger margin in 1996, as did Obama in 2008. Al Gore won women by about the same margin as Hillary in 2000. Nor was Trump’s margin among men unprecedented for Republicans: Nixon (’72), Reagan (’80, ’84) and George H.W. Bush (’88) all won the male vote by a larger margin than Trump. The “historic” gap emerged because both candidates had slightly bigger margins than usual among either men or women, not because Trump or Clinton did amazingly well with either group.”
Pretty much a foregone conclusion that no matter who they run, they will be The Worst Candidate In History according to the far right and the Putin left.
The article starts by chiding academics and the meeja for looking for excuses for why Clinton lost, (without actually quoting any or referring directly to any) then completely avoids any examination of why Trump won – other than that Clinton lost. Hey-ho.
LOL, read again.
You read the opening three paras, then scanned the story for a mention of Trump… go on, admit it :)
( There are 7 links in those first three paragraphs, and truck loads more (25 more I counted) through out the piece linking to studies and media reports. )
She lost, Clampers, get over it.
LOL! :) Don’t worry, I am, but her dogged and deluded supporters could do with your advice :)
Or to put it another way, Trump won, Clampers, it’s possible, even necessary to sometimes talk about what he is doing and its effects on the world without reference to Clinton.
Listen pet, I responded to a comment with a good analysis of Clinton voters. I was on topic.
if you wish to talk about something else, just say so, instead of pulling a point out of the air and suggest that’s what I should be talking about. You do have form for such commentary, so it’s expected of you, but, no thanks, for your attempts to make the chat about something else.
Happy to do so on another thread if you wish.
Yes. Every time Trump comes up people should avoid getting sidetracked by the Trump supporter who starts going on about her. You’ll notice that it was you and blisted who actually directly invoked her here.
LOL! You’re a clown sometimes :)
On topic as a reply to blisted who was the first to mention Clinton, yeah. The first comment on this thread was about brexit. The analysis in the article is terrible. Telling me to read it again won’t make it any better.
Trump related topics in this thread that had nothing to do with Clinton:
– I wouldn’t want to be a country isolating itself from its neighbours and relying on deals with Trump, given his recent track record on what constitutes a good deal for the US
– Trump’s re-election is not a done deal but it’s not hugely unlikely either. As well as an unshakeable base and a solid economy inherited from the previous administration, there are undemocratic advantages accruing to the republican party – gerrymandering, voter suppression, support from possible Russian interference.
– there are potential time-bombs that may or may not blow up in Trump’s face: the effects of the tax-cuts, the impending trade war, healthcare, the results of various investigation, a back;lash against a right-leaning supreme court undermining or destroying various progressive achievements relating to civil rights and abortion, popular revulsion at his brutal and cruel anti-immigration policies.
I replied to Bisted, who mentioned Hillary. Bisted was replying to Repro (who started the conversation) who mentioned Hillary, and it was to these two I responded on topic with an article on Hillary.
The rest of this comment I’m responding to is you going off on another tangent about Dump…. pfft!
‘Twas LOL that he’d get a first term :-)
The election was two years ago but talking about Trump in terms of current affairs or future elections is a tangent?
…really Nigel…you know that I won’t give crooked Hillary an even break…but someone of your erudition I would expect to get my name right…bisted…it’s a spoonerism on twitter…twitter and bisted…bitter and twisted…geddit?
Sorry blister.
…no problem Nige…
I’m going to pretend I was making a Twisted Blister joke.
it’s repugnant and appalling but trump WILL get a second term
economy is doing fine
LOL @ Bertie..
I wonder what the odds of Trump being reelected are at the moment?
I keep thinking I should bet on him being getting a second term, so at least there will be silver lining to the cloud
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/opinion/sunday/why-you-should-bet-against-your-candidate.html
I’m still worried he’ll start a war to boost his reelection chances.
Dealing with the American tourists in west cork ,most think he is doing a good job
He has kept his promises
North Korea
Bad for US trade deals
More jobs
Stock market rising
Success for American armed forces
And a great move in the middle east that has removed cards from terrorist hands
The moving of the embassy to Jerusalem was a master stroke
There’s more than a good chance that Trump will get a second term. Never underestimate the stupidity of the US vote or forget that Dubya (the second worst president in US history) also got a second term despite his inability to string a sentence together whilst invading a nation that still suffers to this day as a consequence.
And Merkel went back to try and rescue her government
Sadly the lies regarding EU agreement on migration is unravelling as nation after nation are contradicting her
Sadly when the EU cannot agree a migrant policy brexit is way beyond their capability
Meanwhile varadkar has another march to go on
What is it exactly that you think Varadkar should have done? Come up with a way to keep the UK both inside and outside the UK?
…the DUP have already done this…they have Irish and UK passports…up North they are called Shroedinger’s Catholics…
Tell the EU if you harm the UK you harm us
If we suffer we go and of course sue us
We can survive 4.5 million people on a landmass rich in resources and a diaspora of ten to twenty times that
A massive market
Our fishing industry grounds alone are worth billions
With a new direction our future could be pretty bright instead of an indentured nation
Dream on benny. The Sasamach shambles is all the evidence we need to stay in the EU as an equal partner, something over 90% of Irish citizens support, rather than sitting outside trying to work out trade deals and travel rights. We’re not leaving and May will be disappointing the DUP and Mogg’s mob with the deal she strikes.
You’re missing the point again though. The EU is not harming the UK. The UK are self harming. The EU are just enforcing the club rules which the UK want to ignore while keeping the benefits. The EU are fighting our corner on the border.
And even if that’s true it all the fault of the UK and Brexit. Good luck making deals with Trump for a lesson in walking open-eyed into a shafting.
Poor Nigel – dry your eyes,m8.
Two years you’ve been warning it’ll never happen.
Two wasted years.
Put another Wolfe Tones record on ya muppet.
I think what I’ve been warning about is more or less what’s happening, acksherly, and I prefer Paul Simon *puts on Slip Slidin’ Away*
As opposed to the classically tuneful warblings of those musical geniuses, The Streets.
https://youtu.be/PyHr-4SeILI
Dry your eyes indeed ‘m8’…
I applaud the mainstream normalisation of honest and sincere expressions of male emotion and peer support and lack of shaming. Otherwise urrrrgh that song.
Nail, head, etc.
Have a pint on me, dear Nigel.
Thank you m’dear.
Trump is a businessman and his job is to get the best deal
Government or the public sector do not create wealth
Infact if the private sector ran their businesses like the public sector they would be bankrupt
Like Trump was several times? Trump has a long history of screwing people. Good luck UK!
But private sector and public sector are different. You can’t apply the same standards to both. Private enterprises are happy to cherry pick the bits of “government” services they want to provide. The profitable bits; certain bus routes; certain hospital procedures; and leave all the loss-making stuff to government.
Secondly, while the Government/public sector do not directly create wealth – they enable wealth creation.
– The government builds motorways, then private companies use these to create wealth.
– the government implements/enforces copyright laws. Private companies rely on these to create wealth.
“Reality” show a bunch of fake, contrived nonsense?
Say it ain’t so!! I, for one, am shocked… shocked, I tell you.
Linda Mulhall has done her time. How is it in the public’s interest for the Sunday World to hound her? Rag.
Catherine Nevin’s dead so they need a new Femme Fatale/Bogeywoman to demonise. This woman is obviously easier to find and harass than say, Larry Murphy or the gangland lads they fetishise.
Charlotte Mulhall was friendly with Catherine Nevin in jail, apparently, although Mulhall did describe Nevin as a ‘devious c**t’, which was probably not too far off the mark.
Catherine nevin was a murdering monster
Are you for real
Maybe say that to the children of her dead husband
100% lilly + daisy she was young and manipulated by her mother at the time leave her in peace
Yesterday’s INDO:
“Tell on your water waster neighbors”
Today’s INDO:
“Water meters to track hose cheats”
IW propaganda machine.
Councils sell off the waste services and now demand to see your receipts.
Like a page from George Orwell
Lets enshrine the right to be ripped off in our constitution
ah now…haven’t you heard that Water Cheats Cheat Us All?
see if only you’d rolled over & had your belly tickled yet again like good compliant citizen none of this redalert water ohmygodwereallgonnadie crisis would ever have happened!
and only god knows where the money is gonna come from for all those ‘19 reg Audi’s that will be needed to fix de leaks!
Exactly how are Irish Water going to monitor wastage given that they only read meters on a billing cycle and how is that data going to be collated for a prosecution?
The incompetence of their public relations is only excelled by their human resources department. Apparently GDPR is to be sidestepped by emails stating that you have been successfully entered onto a ‘panel’ without actually been told you didn’t get the job interviewed for.
People will leave taps running just to spite that sort of high handed nonsense. Calling Irish Water clowns is a insult to clowns.
I was chatting to a farmer this week who told me one local farm and a piggery used over 750,000 litres of water this week for their stock. Livestock increased substantially owing to grants from EEC. Beef to China /Brazil etc from here and Dublin residents can’t water their plants. Irish Water is a joke.
My god what a waste
I wonder did you wash your car and Dublin bus use many times more to wash their busses
But blame the farmers
Also all your dry waste like tin cans
I assume you wash them before collection
Jesus bennny what’s up don’t tell me youve ran out of shhhhteam
Out watering your tulips no doubt
Dublin Bus stopped washing the busses a week ago.
Gerrup the yard bennny.
I don’t know who told you it was ok to leave your tractor unattended like this. Mass finished ages ago.
Get back in your own field.
You think you’re great because you got a lock-in in your uncle’s pub.
I take it all back bennnnnny.
The Wi-Fi on this tractor is deadly, and there doesn’t seem to be any sort of Parental Control. I Googled ‘carrots and cucumbers’; and you wouldn’t believe what popped up.
They should have stuff like this in the big towns, or the more ‘cosmopolitan’ Cities.like Limerick or Galway.
Scoff away.
Not every single person outside Dublin is an idiot.
We should befriend them.
We should try to learn their language, then give up 2mins later and shout at them.
We should buy stuff from them and sell it back to them at a higher price.
We should give them the steering-wheel during lambing season*.
We should stop slagging them. They do it better than us, especially when you bring sheep into the equation…
*I don’t even know what ‘lambing-season’ means. Is it like 1000 Island Dressing?
“Frances Fitzgerald demands…”
Yea, whatever..
Who?
Summer recess.
Good oul’ Flathead Frannie. In the meantime, is anyone else becoming psychotic from lack of sleep?
Frances Fitzgerald can demand away. Such a complete muppet that one.
What’s the harm? Hopefully if proven successful the quota system will be extended to areas without prestige too. Men have frequently been promoted past their competence, why not give women a shot?
Less than 50% of the workforce is female. And demanding that women make up 50% in that field of work has nothing to do with equality.
what about a bound of max 40% of one gender or the other then? not really interested in equality, more concerned with peace and quiet.
Sounds more reasonable, but it should take into account and respect first and foremost, the choices of women.
That is, for that percent that do work, a respect for what those women choose or do not choose as a career. If they are not choosing a field of work the quota should respect that. A “demand” does not respect that.
That’s very passive and complascent, though. Why do women make those decisions?
How long is a piece of string, and which string? :)
Your question should be directed at Frances, as she is the one with a pre-determined figure. I’m only pointing out that that figure is arbitrary, and without even the smallest of details to back it up other than % of people who are m/f which does not reflect in the available workforce.
1. Women’s reasons and motivations are not unfathomable sacred mysteries that cannot be revealed or understood outside the sisterhood.
2. Yes, someone should ask her, I bet she has some notion.
3. Any figure like that will be arbitrary. Once you’ve agreed in principal that it needs to be done, the rest is negotiation.
1. Of course.
2. That’s what I said.
3. No, youre contradicting yourself now. It doesn’t have to be arbitrary, as you pointed out in your no. 1.
Not sure where the contradiction is, but ok. It’ll be arbitrary, like any limit or quota is arbitrary, what it won’t be, should one be imposed, is random, it’ll be the result of negotiation, compromise and practicality. It’s unlikely to be 50%, though, except maybe as some lofty aspiration.
The point is quotas should not be arbitrarily set.
As you said in your first point, it’s not a mystery to find out, and use a figure that is not arbitrary, and your last point contradicts that. Simple really.
Em…. you say not “arbitrary”, but is “random”, OK.
Get a dictionary.
At least you admit it is a “lofty” notional figure. In other words, plucked out if the air…. or even arbitrary and random :)
Or simply put, made up nonsense.
You could do with reading this thread to the end….
https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1012471351527931904?s=19
(only 5 tweets long btw)
My first point was about the reasons why women might no be going into politics. Their reasons. You said their preferences should be respected. I said that’s not enough, their reasons for those preferences should be understood. Nothing to do with the 50% figure.
I note also that the upshot of those tweets is to accept women’s preferences, but not examine the reasons for those preferences. As well as, apparently, equating the perceptions of coloured dots with incidences of everyday sexism, racism, etc?
Also, again, no, I said any figure will be arbitrary, by the very nature of such figures, but it hopefully won’t be random, because there should be discernible and stated reasons for deciding on that figure. You disagree with the figure, fine. My argument here, again, is that once you’ve accepted that quotas are a good idea, the figure for the quotas will be the result of negotiation, argument and compromise.
Your first bit, their preference would have to take into account reasons. The reason is given, in that women prefer “people orientated careers”.
We are in agreement here, from 2hat I see. Unless you are going against the many many studies that show this reasoning.
Your second bit, you note incorrectly. If u click third tweet in the thread you’ll find two further studies. Also, the PBS article in the final tweet gives more info on preference, and reason.
And you are clearly not grasping the content of the colour study with regard to perception.
The last bit is not what you said earlier and quite frankly the first part of it is waffle. Originally, you said it “is random”, not arbitrary… which is a nonsense to say the least. Your own reading over your own comments is quite dismal, and (intentionally?) muddled in your further comments.
You conclusion this time is my point at the start, that figure should be neither arbitrary or random and should be come upon through discussion…. Not pulled out of one’s proverbial as Frances has done.
You do realise you’re still talking about preferences not reasons for preferences right? You say a study that shows their reasons just…. shows their preferences. Disconnect further Illustrated by the way you state Fitzgerald has pulled the figure with no curiosity as to why she picked that figure. In terms of the tweets his conclusions don’t stand up well in the #metoo/ICE era. As for the rest you don’t know the difference between random and arbitrary.
The delusion is strong in this one.
:0p’
There is, and I have given, what I believe is her reason for that figure.
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Regarding preferences, read the material again.
You assume the conclusions don’t stand up but you give no reason. Care to elaborate why you think the conclusions don’t? Something a bit better than just stating that we’re in some “era”.
Elaboration on that supposition, is epecially required as it is a meta analysis of “vocational sex differences” of data over years, over four decades to be precise. But you knew that, because you read the threads content, right? yeah, or no? Probably not.
You say nothing about reasons. Nothing whatsoever. Neither does the dudebro with the tweets. Nothing.
I support measures and quotas to improve equality of opportunity. This isn’t that.
This feels like another deliberate overstatement in order to try and force a fairer result.
“Men have frequently been promoted past their competence, why not give women a shot?”
Frances Fitzgerald, lest you have forgotten, has already given that one a shot and proved the model is not gender specific.
Slánaiste
https://www.nova.ie/news/frances-fitzgerald-resignation-tanaiste-100924
Did she say that…. *chuckles*
The lack of self awareness is strong in that one :)
She’s not demanding 33% Male, 33% Female and 33% Trans then? Surely against the hopes of the leadership?
Oooh transphobia. Edgy.
TERF is the new … something, I don’t know, seems like the top way to start an argument and not have any discussion or debate.
Well don’t do that then.
Guess what percentage of the Dail will be exposed as Landlords after this Public Sector Standards bill is enforced?
Is there a prize?
I’d guess at 32% are landlords of accommodation (as opposed to owning a field that is rented out to a farmer.
Varadkar caught lying once again. Doing a deal with Lowry. And he didn’t hate it.
Irish Water getting a run of free spin time on Pravda. Pathetic lot.
Next referendum has to be on our Water supply/services.
a couple of days into negotiations during formation of current government, there was rte news footage of varadkar and lowry speaking together. a couple of days later, varadkar said he hadn’t spoken to lowry in more than a year.
That’s Leo. Hopefully he calls an election soon. The polling companies are having a laugh at his (ours in some cases) expense.
In the meantime, we have the season of Bread and Circuses.
‘The purpose of bread and circuses is, as Neil Postman said in his book Amusing Ourselves to Death, to distract, to divert emotional energy towards the absurd and the trivial and the spectacle while you are ruthlessly stripped of power.’
Why would Leo call an election when his partners in coalition are happy to go another year rather than risk facing off against a growing SF?
He’s probably expecting a better return on investment from his new Garda MI5 Commissioner than he got from Mairia Cahill.
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
Lest we forget, here’s Varadkar on Lowry in 2016.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-rules-out-coalition-with-tds-who-have-issues-with-law-1.2510787
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose as they don’t say in Dublin West or Tipperary.
Lest we forget, here’s Varadkar sunbathing in his back-garden…
[insert picture here]
Now that’s what I call political satire.
Digicel Deathwatch-Moody’s-dongraded Digicel to negative.
Its a non event driven downgrade which is much much more frightening,no outbreak of civil war,invasion by foreign forces/mercs,no super ebola or virus in any off the many cesspits Digi operates in.
Usually,its event driven,currency,earnings,political,interest rates -this is simply ..’.Moody’s Investors Service (“Moody’s”) has today changed to negative from stable the outlook on the ratings of Digicel Group Limited (“Digicel”, “DGL” or the “company”) ”
The reasons are not enough time to refi the ’20-2 billion bond or execute fire sales,Moodys is basically saying to Digi-we don’t believe you….
“The change in outlook to negative reflects the company’s ongoing high leverage and the reduced runway available to the company to simultaneously improve its fundamental credit profile and address its large looming debt maturities with anticipation.”
The rating agencies are the bookies off the bond markets-a good question is does it matter,the bonds were junk,the company failed in its IPO-so what difference does this make ?
In turning around or fixing companies/bonds its often controlled by the ‘narrative’ or the story,if its was a upgrade,Digi spokes would be celebrating,a downgarde ‘no comment’-so yes it matters.
The largest investors in Digi bonds (templeton,etc) hold them via emerging market funds,which have rules/limits on the portfolio mix off bonds,based off the credit ratings-eg 40% B2,20% B3-which often after a downgrade results in further pressure on the bonds.
A bigger issue is bad news ‘fatigue’,if its just a constant steam of negative news,downgrades and your not that ‘invested’ (attached) to the company or founders,the idea that ‘math’s the only factor on Wall St is nonsense,many holders are non sentimental emotional/gut traders,when there’s more and more bad news, go oh FFS-sell that,get me out for whatever you can………
This was very poor timing by Moody’s,dont they know who Dennis is :)
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-changes-outlook-on-Digicels-B2-rating-to-negative-affirms–PR_385924?WT.mc_id=AM~RmluYW56ZW4ubmV0X1JTQl9SYXRpbmdzX05ld3NfTm9fVHJhbnNsYXRpb25z~20180628_PR_385924
Digi bonds opened this morning at the lowest levels ever (low 70’s)-in essence if you are willing to receive 8% interest to lend Digicel 70 dollars today, you get back 100 in two years-problem is no one believes them !
Moody’s downgraded them (see above) and also released a “Credit Opinion” that’s subscriber (paywall) only,will get copy by lunchtime,its detailed and should be a good read, will review.extract it.