” Varadkar destroying UK-Irish relations says Mehole ”
At last the chump wakes up to the reality of Liability Leo’s swooning over the attention of Barnier,Tusk and Druncker.
But it’s too late.He and Ireland have been had.
If there’s a last-minute deal Ireland will get royally shafted up the ginker by Merkel and Macron and if there’s a Hard Brexit Ireland will get seven shades of sh!te poured over it as the rest of Europe looks after their own interests.
And then let’s see where your EU pals are then.
Face it lads,Ireland is looking at lose-lose.
ReproButina
The same Micheál Martin who, just 6 days ago, said the Tories were beyond satire and insisted NI should get special status?
The same Micheál Martin who’s party slipped further behind FG and SF in the polls?
You’re so desperate to distract from the reality of Sasamach that you’re latching on to the comments of the leader of a minor party, trying to make his party relevant, as the basis for another incoherent rambling rant.
The world’s not even laughing at Britain anymore. Now it’s sympathetic head shaking at the mess you insist on making worse. There were people discussing the prospect of importing fresh dairy from New Zealand on Radio 4 the other day. Fresh milk from New Zealand! You poor misguided fools.
brianc
Bertie
First I heard of Mickey martin stating the Tories were beyond satire
Please point to the article where he said that
As usual Bertie your full of fake news
As for polls
Polls pointed that the UK would not vote for brexit
They also stated may would romp home
They stated Hillary would win in the USA and the stated the total opposite to 80% of political outcomes
Are you sure you do not work in Leo’s SCUnit
Fake news eh david? Don’t you ever get sick of being wrong?
brianc
Saying this for months and the broadsheet and certain comment makers do not like it
Its as though the EU is the only game in town and creating a bad relationship with one of our biggest trading partners is what you do
If the EU falls in the future and Ireland has burnt all bridges then what do we do
Little Leo varadkar is biting his nose off to spite his face and playing a very dangerous game
His words are the words of the EU and we are being used
Ireland is like a nation of lemmings marching towards a cliff
And Mickey martin is dead right
We need a new leadership before its too late
bisted
…welcome to Broadsheet…it’s a long time since we had an open FFer on here…plenty of closet bagmen but not somebody like you who will show their true colours…
Ollie Cromwell
This is the reality of a Hard Brexit.
“..half of the UK’s trade is already on WTO terms with the US, China and..large emerging nations..it’s not the end of the world if the UK trades under WTO rules with the EU..it’s not like trade..is going to stop..it is perfectly manageable.” R. Azevêdo, Director General of WTO.
But do you see this reported in the Irish media ?
Brother Barnabas
don’t mind what’s reported in the Irish media, charger. UK government’s own estimate is that a no-deal exit will cost 8% of GDP.
the likes of farage, rees mogg and johnson are giggling their t its off at the gullibility of the ranks of useful idiots like yourself. just as your grandfather’s generation got duped into somme, you’re being similarly made a fool of.
ReproButina
The reality of a hard Sasamach?
‘Plans agreed at the Chequers cabinet summit to publish reports every week through the summer detailing what a “no-deal [Sasamach]” would mean for Britain have been scrapped — after warnings that the public would panic and never vote Conservative again.‘
By the way,when you respond to this on whatever devices you do ask yourself if it was made in Europe and if not how did the country that made it manage to get it into your hands without being a member of the Single Market,the Customs Union or having to accept unchecked migration.
And were you happy with the price you paid to cover the tariffs it incurred under WTO rules ?
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Hi Ollie, The EU wants Britain to have a better outcome than EU member, Ireland. Yeah, right. The biggest BREXIT issue is that Britain can’t decide which flavour of BREXIT it wants. Let us know when that is agreed. It has only been two years. It must comply with the GFA, by the way. Take your time.
Sheik Yahbouti
Oh give it a rest, ‘ollie’.
Brother Barnabas
ah leave him, sheik. i suspect we’re all he has.
SOQ
Iv’e just had an idea. As we’re all about equal marriage these days, wouldn’t Oillie and Johnny make a nice couple eh? Then they could howl on the internet together.
johnny
That’s probably your best idea in a while,you must wonder standing in the cold and rain at you age waiting for a bus in Tallaght,where it all went wrong ?
I’d probably be bitter too, but that ‘joke’ really hasn’t dated well,surfs up and the sun is shinning, gotta dash and go enjoy another day in paradise :)
ReproButina
A no deal Sasamach is only a problem if people keep using insulin. Or dialysis. Or, you know, eating.
Anyone who has ever worked in supply chained manufacturing will know the ‘just in time’ lean principle and now food will have an extra minimum of 36 hours added to its schedule. Even that is wildly optimistic because the labs will be maxed out and given that BSE originated in Britain, there no chance the EU are going to allow food products from UK without stringent checks of HACCP standard.
No deal Brexit is absolute suicide. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum. Empty shelves will set the place alight.
SOQ
Just on the lean supply chain thing, the British are very good at it and some of the best known lean experts in the world come from England. There is a certain dichotomy in that on one level they are super efficient in their supply chains and on the other, that they have such a bunch of clueless monkeys trying to run the country into the ground.
ReproButina
The standards around food is just one area where a no deal Sasamach causes chaos. There will need to be new standards bodies set up in the UK for everything, including servicing and certifying aircraft for use in EU airspace. EU safety standards need to met on all goods manufactured for export to the EU so there’ll need to be a UK body set up to ensure all manufacturing meets EU standards. Has the UK started the process of hiring these people?
Ollie Cromwell
You’re clueless.
With the WTO Trade Facilitation Agreement, the WCO Standards Framework, the EU’s Single Administrative Document/Authorised Economic Operators schemes, there is no reason for supply chain or any other interruption in trade post-Brexit.
ReproButina
If it’s so easy why do the EU bother with a single market? If it’s so easy why are the British government stockpiling food? If it’s so easy why is Trump casting doubt on a US/UK trade deal in the event of a soft Sasamach while working on a new deal with the EU?
You’ve been had. Again. But it’s always easier to fool someone than to convince them they’ve been fooled.
SOQ
More importantly Repro, where are they going to get them from? The people most experienced in EU safety standards are in the main EU citizens and they are not going to be tripping over themselves to move to the UK.
They have 40 odd years of integrated regulations to substitute and that is just not physically possible within the given time frame. John Major said the poorest will be hit hardest and he is right, food riots are a distinct possibility next year.
Giggidygoo
My, aren’t FF getting a little agitated? So they are trying to give the impression that they are the opposition, pointing out failings of Varadkar etc.?
Just to be clear – FF are the ones aiding FG in everything that FF are ‘complaining’ about. Supply and confidence tricksters. And the funny thing about it is that they think the electorate don’t see it.
SF are the go-to opposition these days for the media. Michéal Martin is on political life support at the moment.
Martco
the only thing left to figure out is whether it’s called Fine Fail or Fianna Gael
Giggidygoo
Exactly.
Daisy Chainsaw
Fine Fail (pron like sail, not foil)
Ollie Cromwell
Interestingly no-one has yet disagreed with my analysis that the endgame is now out of Ireland’s hands and that in the event of no deal this country will be on the receiving end of an almighty sh1tstorm.
And thanks to Liability Leo there’ll be little sympathy and no more biliions in future loans to bail out the economy from the mainland.
Snazzy Socks has had his grandstanding moment in the spotlight for the consumption of the boggers back home.
But at what price ?
A far wiser politician would have used our most powerful ally to secure much more influence for this country post-Brexit.
But like burning the bondholders and the 2nd Lisbon Treaty Paddy bottled it.
You’ve been had and deep down you know it.
The smell of fear and apprehension hangs heavy.
MaryLou's ArmaLite
That smell of fear, it is emanating from Threasa May, she is terrified of her own party.
Brother Barnabas
“you’ve been had and deep down you know it”
it’s like a monty python scene
jusayinlike
Tell us more swashbuckling tales of how statesman Thatcher saved England by selling Leyland
Nigel
Beause you keep hilariously ignoring the lack of control the UK government seems to have over the outcome, which is far more central to that outcome.
Listrade
I like the “my analysis” bit. Just you all on your own studied the progress and came up with the startling realisation that 27 member states have to agree to any proposal and Ireland is just one. How did you ever dig deep into a process that has been repeatedly stated from the day of the vote? Amazing. Razor sharp.
You’re more happy with the negative consequences of Brexit on others (particularly Ireland) than the real problems facing the UK. As long as the paddies are burned as you go down in flames that’s ok.
Anyway. Some times for you to improve your analysis.
Northern Ireland is an EU border. It isn’t just an Irish problem. You may buy the line from the Mail and the Tories that it’s just a few roads and no big deal, but that’s their ignorance of anything North of the M25. Fortunately the EU is aware because (as stated) it will be an EU border and they kinda take that stuff seriously.
I can’t see the likes of Greece or other smaller states being too concerned with that aspect of the deal, but there are plenty who will, especially if it means screwing the brits with the same glee that you have with Ireland being effected too. Your analysis, as amazing as it is in stating the obvious, tends to be somewhat limited to what we are given in the press or at least via the media outlets who have a particular pro-brexit stance.
You could extend your analysis to https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/news/key-eu-policy-areas/brexit_en for no othe reason than the EU has had a policy of openness on the negotiations from the start. All the documents and policy positions are updated regularly. It’s how the Tories keep getting caught out in lies. It’s how the likes of the Mail keep getting shown to be full of it because those with an eye towards actual analysis can just go onto the website and see what is actually happening.
So for your analysis of stating the obvious: yes. It always was out of Ireland’s hands. It’s 27 members and anyone of them could screw up the whole thing for everyone…but especially Britain. But yeah, it’s Ireland who should have made an ally and not Britain who went in pissing everyone off.
ReproButina
What analysis?
“Our most powerful ally”. Are you Irish today?
Ollie Cromwell
Part-Irish.
You really must try to keep up beret boy.
ReproButina
Yeah, I’d have to care first.
Ollie Cromwell
You seem to hang around my every post like a dog sniffing another dog’s behind.
ReproButina
What can I say, I can’t resist an easy target.
Ollie Cromwell
G’wan beret boy,get your sniffer right up there for a good inhale of the British Bulldog.
ReproButina
Oh you’re British now?
Brother Barnabas
sounds like he’s saying he has a british ar sehole
or just is one
Ollie Cromwell
You’re letting the capital letters and punctuation slip there Quentin.
All that pent-up fury is getting to you.
Brother Barnabas
no pent-up fury, charger – i’m just laughing at you; you’re used to that, though… been into the village recently?
you’ll have to explain the ‘quentin’ thing to me
Ollie Cromwell
No time feller – off out to the pub for the Quidditch.
ReproButina
Remember when they said no deal was better than a bad deal? Yeah, I’d be heading to the pub too.
“Ministers have drawn up plans to send in the army to deliver food, medicines and fuel in the event of shortages if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal.”
“supermarkets are warning their suppliers to stockpile supplies such as tea and coffee.
The NHS would go on a year-round “winter crisis footing”, with drugs bought from outside the EU and stockpiled in hospitals.”
Imagine the size the ego must be to fancy yourself as president
Daisy Chainsaw
I thought they were grooming Maria Steen’s auntie, Joan Freeman, for the Iona candidate?
ReproButina
That would be just as delightful.
rotide
I love to picture Ollie , tongue out in effort, bashing away endlessly on the keyboard like an infinite amount of monkeys wondering why nobody is noticing his incisive political discourse
Brother Barnabas
types by thrashing the keyboard with his big thick tory forehead; tongue lolling, saliva in all directions
GiggidyGoo
I’m no fan of the bould Ollie but no one seems to be interested in answering his assertion that Ireland’s interests will be jettisoned by Europe once this reaches crunch decision time.
I actually agree with him/her in a fair bit of what he’s posted regarding our representation in these talks. Varadkar swanning around museums, vox popping and small talking with his betters on refugees (didn’t get in great with that) shows he is out of the Euro-loop already.
ReproButina
Nobody is answering it because it’s garbage. The EU is not going to abandon Ireland.
Giggidygoo
they mightn’t ‘abandon’ us, but there will be a sell out somewhere along the line. Another case of Ireland taking one for ‘the good of the EU’. Varadkar is noticeable from his absence from photo, media videos, in European media. We get fluffy reports in our own media, trying to big him up. But substance? Nothing!
ReproButina
Keeping member states, including Ireland, happy is more important to the future of the EU than placating an untrustworthy ex-member.
Brother Barnabas
in what way is Ireland “taking one for the good of the EU”?
it’s unfortunate that Ireland’s stance seems to be problematic for the UK (and I genuinely mean that) and it’s especially unfortunate that it’s possibly going to damage our relationship, but, so far as I can see, our position is necessary self-interest – nothing to do with taking the EU’s side in its squabble with the UK
Giggidygoo
@Brother. Recent history. We already took one for the good of EU members – paying off the gambler bond holders. People – gamblers – that took a no-lose punt on Ireland. That’s the reality. The EU have no qualms hanging us out to dry.
Brother Barnabas
entirely agree, but that’s not what I was saying
point is that Ireland isn’t doing what its doing out of any loyalty or service to the EU; it’s protecting its own interests, nothing else.
(I agree that obviously we need the EU to back us on this- and whether it continues to do so or not remains to be seen)
SOQ
The big bad EU eh?
Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.
Giggidygoo
@Brother.
But that’s the point. We are doing nothing. We are being proxied.
Brother Barnabas
what else can we do?
there’s nothing happening yet – brits are in turmoil, going round in circles and consumed by in-fighting
TIMMY
Bertie
We are abandoned by our politicians and the EU
The coming months will reveal this
And like lemmings Leo will lead us over the cliff
ReproButina
Ah would you stop. Abandoned by the EU he says while the entire 27 are fighting our corner.
Doom and gloom based on nothing as usual david. Limerick’s win getting to you?
SOQ
Nobody answers Ollie because he is intent on causing as much offence as possible with his stupid goading.
ROI is part of EU and as such will still trade freely within the block. The problems are the same as the other member states, albeit it larger, in that trade with Britain will become increasingly difficult. But, apart from also leaving the EU which there is no appetite for, there isn’t really a lot ROI can do right now, unless you think differently in which case feel free to explain.
Giggidygoo
Ireland is an unimportant entity. What exactly have we to offer the EU, apart from being a type of Bad Bank?
And you’re sbsolutely correct – there’s very little (nothing) that ROI can do to stop the EU or the UK reaching an outcome that suits the majority of the EU / UK.
If you think differently, i’d love to know what power we actually have.
SOQ
I disagree. Ireland is a very important entity for both sides. ROI/NI is the only land border between UK and EU so of major significance, especially as the free movement of people on the Island of Ireland is bound by an international treaty.
Some people refer to Brexit as a divorce so using the same metaphorical language; Ireland and Britain signed a prenuptial called the GFA. It is up to the lawyers to argue the wording but pretty sure some of it means ‘In the event of…’.
@ SOQ. I like the link :-)
Say, for instance, that Brexit occurs in all its glory. And say (just for arguments sake) that the EU say…. ‘we don’t need the hassle of such a border situation – let’s terminate Ireland’s membership’
What would the EU lose? What would be the downsides for them?. In that situation, the EU would lose nothing, and there would be no downsides.
If i’m correct, then why would the EU worry too much about this little island in the current situation.
Brother Barnabas
the EU would lose hugely from such an action – mainly in terms of trust and credibility
it’s irrelevant anyway. there’s no legal mechanism through which the EU could terminate Ireland’s membership. the only thing that comes close would be Article 7, which permits it to suspend a country’s voting rights in the event of repeated violation of founding principles. obviously that doesn’t apply.
SOQ
I know it is a Sunday and hair talla don’t do Monday but please, STFU.
Giggidygoo
@SOQ. I’d love to be able to decipher what you just wrote, It obviously means something to you.
Giggidygoo
@Brother. The point i was making wasn’t that the EU would turn around and do that (dump us out). It was to show that there is no advantage to the EU for Ireland (other than saving face, trust/credibility for the EU) to be part of it.
What use are we to them, economically?
Ting-Tong
I think soq would like to muzzle us all
ReproButina
You mean aside from our fishing waters and our trade? We export more to Belgium than to the UK.
GiggidyGoo
@Repro. Trade to Belgium – On paper perhaps. Accountancy and tax reasons but in terms of physical goods, no. PharmaChem Goods manufactured outside the EU travel directly from outside the EU to the likes of Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg etc. But the invoice issues from an Irish door plaque and is counted as an Irish export.
And the fishing trade? Really? Those ‘exports’ are accounted for in Ireland? Try Spain.
ReproButina
Spanish trawlers fish in our waters. That’s the point. They’ll need them more than ever if the UK decide to deny access to theirs.
Ollie Cromwell
Lets hope the EU really does come to the aid of Ireland in its hour of need.
Looks like this country is gonna need it.
Glad you backed the EU Leo ?
‘Ireland will be worst hit and may need emergency aid in event of no deal Brexit’ – Former WTO chief
Worst hit of the EU27. The actual worst hit by a hard Sasamach would, of course, be Britain.
Luckily we’ll have the EU to help us out.
Nigel
Why would we blame Leo or the EU for something the UK is doing really really badly?
SOQ
Its called deflection Nigel. Look over there at how badly the Irish are handling our Brexit etc.
Ron
A brand new Government Department will be opened by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar at a lavish ceremony in the centre of Dublin tomorrow. The Department of Apologies is expected to quickly become one of the government’s busiest departments and will employ approximately 500 people straight away with more positions predicted in the near future. The Taoiseach spoke to reporters outside the plush city centre office complex where the Department of Apologies will be located.
“We’ve looked into the figures and it turns out that it would cost less to just keep apologising for stuff rather than fixing it.” he said. “It therefore makes perfect sense to have a department dedicated to issuing those apologies. The people employed in this department will be responsible for apologising for the state of all the other departments.”
So what exactly will the employees at the Department of Apologies be saying sorry for?
“Take your pick.” said the Taoiseach. “Your granny being left on a hospital trolley. The 10,000 homeless people in Ireland today. That’s a new record by the way. You just can’t argue with those figures. That’s real growth.”
Meanwhile a cabinet reshuffle has been finalised and Ireland’s first ever Minister for Apologies has been confirmed as Independent TD for Dublin Rathdown, Shane Ross. Minister Ross spoke briefly to the gathered press and was asked if he’d like to start by apologising for having that ridiculous English accent even though he’s a born and bred Dubliner. Unfortunately he declined.
“It is both an honour and a privilege for me to be named as Ireland’s first Minister for Apologies.” he said, still talking like a British World War Two news reporter from 1940. “I’m in this job for the long haul and on behalf of the government I want to assure the Irish people that I shall be apologising for things for a very long time to come. Go rev meela ….. meela ….. or whatever the hell it is. Thank you very much.”
The Minister, the Taoiseach and the entire cabinet then headed back to the bar in Dáil Eireann for a session to celebrate the start of their annual three month summer holidays.
franklind
I thought none of these women were supposed to endure courts even at the various PAC sittings
Maybe these who are involved are made reappear to explain themselves
Giggidygoo
That’s the boy Varadkar and the boy Harris for you. Try a quick fix to get the electorate off your back, only for it to bite a few days/weeks later.
Giggidygoo
https://mobile.twitter.com/JFTAXI/status/1023277076177149958/video/1
That’s what Varadkar said. He said that the State would settle any claims the women had, and the State would go after the laboratories. In the video.The women of ireland don’t like such liars and con artists.
Ollie Cromwell
Okay,so here’s a good example of you poor saps being fed prime boo boos by the media desperate to ensure Brexit doesn’t happen.
The Financial Times USED to be a respected newspaper until it decided it wanted to become rabidly anti-Brexit.
Its articles in that vein are often picked up by another newspaper with a once good record since trashed by its slavish obedience to the Irish government line about Brexit – the Irish Times.
So here’s the headline.
Deutsche Bank shifts half clearing from London to Frankfurt
Latest Brexit BLOW as European rivals win City business
“Deutsche Bank has moved almost half its euro clearing activities from London to Frankfurt, in the latest sign of European cities winning financial business from the UK ahead of Brexit. ”
Tucked away at the bottom of this scare story is this little gem.
But at Deutsche Bank, the shift to Frankfurt-based clearing has not led to relocating jobs. “It’s the same London-based person who clears a transaction. We’re just using a different clearing house,” said Stefan Hoops, the bank’s global co-head of institutional and treasury coverage.
In a nutshell the FT tries to create a scare story but actually just confirms that not much will change in the City of London after Brexit.
It’s why Dublin is not being overrun by London City types looking to relocate despite all those promises about a Brexit boost after the Brexit referendum.
Lift the scales off your eyes and try to look through the Leinster House crap you’re being fed about Brexit.
GiggidyGoo
You can get annoying sometimes Ollie but your eyes are open.
SOQ
Sometimes? Real genuine question upon hard Brexit. How is Britain going to feed itself?
Giggidygoo
jeez SOQ. Do you think that food is only produced in Europe?
Nigel
So the headline is…. accurate? How shocking. Are accurate headlines a thing Bexiteers fear and hate so much?
” Varadkar destroying UK-Irish relations says Mehole ”
At last the chump wakes up to the reality of Liability Leo’s swooning over the attention of Barnier,Tusk and Druncker.
But it’s too late.He and Ireland have been had.
If there’s a last-minute deal Ireland will get royally shafted up the ginker by Merkel and Macron and if there’s a Hard Brexit Ireland will get seven shades of sh!te poured over it as the rest of Europe looks after their own interests.
And then let’s see where your EU pals are then.
Face it lads,Ireland is looking at lose-lose.
The same Micheál Martin who, just 6 days ago, said the Tories were beyond satire and insisted NI should get special status?
The same Micheál Martin who’s party slipped further behind FG and SF in the polls?
You’re so desperate to distract from the reality of Sasamach that you’re latching on to the comments of the leader of a minor party, trying to make his party relevant, as the basis for another incoherent rambling rant.
The world’s not even laughing at Britain anymore. Now it’s sympathetic head shaking at the mess you insist on making worse. There were people discussing the prospect of importing fresh dairy from New Zealand on Radio 4 the other day. Fresh milk from New Zealand! You poor misguided fools.
Bertie
First I heard of Mickey martin stating the Tories were beyond satire
Please point to the article where he said that
As usual Bertie your full of fake news
As for polls
Polls pointed that the UK would not vote for brexit
They also stated may would romp home
They stated Hillary would win in the USA and the stated the total opposite to 80% of political outcomes
Are you sure you do not work in Leo’s SCUnit
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/todays-tory-party-is-beyond-satire-micheal-martin-hits-out-at-uk-governments-handling-of-brexit-37147546.html
Fake news eh david? Don’t you ever get sick of being wrong?
Saying this for months and the broadsheet and certain comment makers do not like it
Its as though the EU is the only game in town and creating a bad relationship with one of our biggest trading partners is what you do
If the EU falls in the future and Ireland has burnt all bridges then what do we do
Little Leo varadkar is biting his nose off to spite his face and playing a very dangerous game
His words are the words of the EU and we are being used
Ireland is like a nation of lemmings marching towards a cliff
And Mickey martin is dead right
We need a new leadership before its too late
…welcome to Broadsheet…it’s a long time since we had an open FFer on here…plenty of closet bagmen but not somebody like you who will show their true colours…
This is the reality of a Hard Brexit.
“..half of the UK’s trade is already on WTO terms with the US, China and..large emerging nations..it’s not the end of the world if the UK trades under WTO rules with the EU..it’s not like trade..is going to stop..it is perfectly manageable.” R. Azevêdo, Director General of WTO.
But do you see this reported in the Irish media ?
don’t mind what’s reported in the Irish media, charger. UK government’s own estimate is that a no-deal exit will cost 8% of GDP.
the likes of farage, rees mogg and johnson are giggling their t its off at the gullibility of the ranks of useful idiots like yourself. just as your grandfather’s generation got duped into somme, you’re being similarly made a fool of.
The reality of a hard Sasamach?
‘Plans agreed at the Chequers cabinet summit to publish reports every week through the summer detailing what a “no-deal [Sasamach]” would mean for Britain have been scrapped — after warnings that the public would panic and never vote Conservative again.‘
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0368cb06-9296-11e8-86ee-e22d14bef8b7
Here he is … watch and weep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=iPUW1TFT7CY
By the way,when you respond to this on whatever devices you do ask yourself if it was made in Europe and if not how did the country that made it manage to get it into your hands without being a member of the Single Market,the Customs Union or having to accept unchecked migration.
And were you happy with the price you paid to cover the tariffs it incurred under WTO rules ?
Hi Ollie, The EU wants Britain to have a better outcome than EU member, Ireland. Yeah, right. The biggest BREXIT issue is that Britain can’t decide which flavour of BREXIT it wants. Let us know when that is agreed. It has only been two years. It must comply with the GFA, by the way. Take your time.
Oh give it a rest, ‘ollie’.
ah leave him, sheik. i suspect we’re all he has.
Iv’e just had an idea. As we’re all about equal marriage these days, wouldn’t Oillie and Johnny make a nice couple eh? Then they could howl on the internet together.
That’s probably your best idea in a while,you must wonder standing in the cold and rain at you age waiting for a bus in Tallaght,where it all went wrong ?
I’d probably be bitter too, but that ‘joke’ really hasn’t dated well,surfs up and the sun is shinning, gotta dash and go enjoy another day in paradise :)
A no deal Sasamach is only a problem if people keep using insulin. Or dialysis. Or, you know, eating.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like
Excellent piece.
Anyone who has ever worked in supply chained manufacturing will know the ‘just in time’ lean principle and now food will have an extra minimum of 36 hours added to its schedule. Even that is wildly optimistic because the labs will be maxed out and given that BSE originated in Britain, there no chance the EU are going to allow food products from UK without stringent checks of HACCP standard.
No deal Brexit is absolute suicide. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum. Empty shelves will set the place alight.
Just on the lean supply chain thing, the British are very good at it and some of the best known lean experts in the world come from England. There is a certain dichotomy in that on one level they are super efficient in their supply chains and on the other, that they have such a bunch of clueless monkeys trying to run the country into the ground.
The standards around food is just one area where a no deal Sasamach causes chaos. There will need to be new standards bodies set up in the UK for everything, including servicing and certifying aircraft for use in EU airspace. EU safety standards need to met on all goods manufactured for export to the EU so there’ll need to be a UK body set up to ensure all manufacturing meets EU standards. Has the UK started the process of hiring these people?
You’re clueless.
With the WTO Trade Facilitation Agreement, the WCO Standards Framework, the EU’s Single Administrative Document/Authorised Economic Operators schemes, there is no reason for supply chain or any other interruption in trade post-Brexit.
If it’s so easy why do the EU bother with a single market? If it’s so easy why are the British government stockpiling food? If it’s so easy why is Trump casting doubt on a US/UK trade deal in the event of a soft Sasamach while working on a new deal with the EU?
You’ve been had. Again. But it’s always easier to fool someone than to convince them they’ve been fooled.
More importantly Repro, where are they going to get them from? The people most experienced in EU safety standards are in the main EU citizens and they are not going to be tripping over themselves to move to the UK.
They have 40 odd years of integrated regulations to substitute and that is just not physically possible within the given time frame. John Major said the poorest will be hit hardest and he is right, food riots are a distinct possibility next year.
My, aren’t FF getting a little agitated? So they are trying to give the impression that they are the opposition, pointing out failings of Varadkar etc.?
Just to be clear – FF are the ones aiding FG in everything that FF are ‘complaining’ about. Supply and confidence tricksters. And the funny thing about it is that they think the electorate don’t see it.
SF are the go-to opposition these days for the media. Michéal Martin is on political life support at the moment.
the only thing left to figure out is whether it’s called Fine Fail or Fianna Gael
Exactly.
Fine Fail (pron like sail, not foil)
Interestingly no-one has yet disagreed with my analysis that the endgame is now out of Ireland’s hands and that in the event of no deal this country will be on the receiving end of an almighty sh1tstorm.
And thanks to Liability Leo there’ll be little sympathy and no more biliions in future loans to bail out the economy from the mainland.
Snazzy Socks has had his grandstanding moment in the spotlight for the consumption of the boggers back home.
But at what price ?
A far wiser politician would have used our most powerful ally to secure much more influence for this country post-Brexit.
But like burning the bondholders and the 2nd Lisbon Treaty Paddy bottled it.
You’ve been had and deep down you know it.
The smell of fear and apprehension hangs heavy.
That smell of fear, it is emanating from Threasa May, she is terrified of her own party.
“you’ve been had and deep down you know it”
it’s like a monty python scene
Tell us more swashbuckling tales of how statesman Thatcher saved England by selling Leyland
Beause you keep hilariously ignoring the lack of control the UK government seems to have over the outcome, which is far more central to that outcome.
I like the “my analysis” bit. Just you all on your own studied the progress and came up with the startling realisation that 27 member states have to agree to any proposal and Ireland is just one. How did you ever dig deep into a process that has been repeatedly stated from the day of the vote? Amazing. Razor sharp.
You’re more happy with the negative consequences of Brexit on others (particularly Ireland) than the real problems facing the UK. As long as the paddies are burned as you go down in flames that’s ok.
Anyway. Some times for you to improve your analysis.
Northern Ireland is an EU border. It isn’t just an Irish problem. You may buy the line from the Mail and the Tories that it’s just a few roads and no big deal, but that’s their ignorance of anything North of the M25. Fortunately the EU is aware because (as stated) it will be an EU border and they kinda take that stuff seriously.
I can’t see the likes of Greece or other smaller states being too concerned with that aspect of the deal, but there are plenty who will, especially if it means screwing the brits with the same glee that you have with Ireland being effected too. Your analysis, as amazing as it is in stating the obvious, tends to be somewhat limited to what we are given in the press or at least via the media outlets who have a particular pro-brexit stance.
You could extend your analysis to https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/news/key-eu-policy-areas/brexit_en for no othe reason than the EU has had a policy of openness on the negotiations from the start. All the documents and policy positions are updated regularly. It’s how the Tories keep getting caught out in lies. It’s how the likes of the Mail keep getting shown to be full of it because those with an eye towards actual analysis can just go onto the website and see what is actually happening.
So for your analysis of stating the obvious: yes. It always was out of Ireland’s hands. It’s 27 members and anyone of them could screw up the whole thing for everyone…but especially Britain. But yeah, it’s Ireland who should have made an ally and not Britain who went in pissing everyone off.
What analysis?
“Our most powerful ally”. Are you Irish today?
Part-Irish.
You really must try to keep up beret boy.
Yeah, I’d have to care first.
You seem to hang around my every post like a dog sniffing another dog’s behind.
What can I say, I can’t resist an easy target.
G’wan beret boy,get your sniffer right up there for a good inhale of the British Bulldog.
Oh you’re British now?
sounds like he’s saying he has a british ar sehole
or just is one
You’re letting the capital letters and punctuation slip there Quentin.
All that pent-up fury is getting to you.
no pent-up fury, charger – i’m just laughing at you; you’re used to that, though… been into the village recently?
you’ll have to explain the ‘quentin’ thing to me
No time feller – off out to the pub for the Quidditch.
Remember when they said no deal was better than a bad deal? Yeah, I’d be heading to the pub too.
“Ministers have drawn up plans to send in the army to deliver food, medicines and fuel in the event of shortages if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal.”
“supermarkets are warning their suppliers to stockpile supplies such as tea and coffee.
The NHS would go on a year-round “winter crisis footing”, with drugs bought from outside the EU and stockpiled in hospitals.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/army-on-standby-for-no-deal-brexit-emergency-dz3359lrf
Em… Gavin Duffy, an ex-advisor to both Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, claims to be not of politics and above politics.
* ding ding *
Let this be known as The Holier Than Thou Posturing Round
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This Pres campaigning lark should be some craic !
I really hope the Iona lads convince John Waters to run.
Run where? Far away hopefully.
This joke never gets old.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/06/15/were-going-to-need-a-smaller-daffodil/
Didn’t that Walters fellow promise to emigrate after the Repeal vote..
Imagine the size the ego must be to fancy yourself as president
I thought they were grooming Maria Steen’s auntie, Joan Freeman, for the Iona candidate?
That would be just as delightful.
I love to picture Ollie , tongue out in effort, bashing away endlessly on the keyboard like an infinite amount of monkeys wondering why nobody is noticing his incisive political discourse
types by thrashing the keyboard with his big thick tory forehead; tongue lolling, saliva in all directions
I’m no fan of the bould Ollie but no one seems to be interested in answering his assertion that Ireland’s interests will be jettisoned by Europe once this reaches crunch decision time.
I actually agree with him/her in a fair bit of what he’s posted regarding our representation in these talks. Varadkar swanning around museums, vox popping and small talking with his betters on refugees (didn’t get in great with that) shows he is out of the Euro-loop already.
Nobody is answering it because it’s garbage. The EU is not going to abandon Ireland.
they mightn’t ‘abandon’ us, but there will be a sell out somewhere along the line. Another case of Ireland taking one for ‘the good of the EU’. Varadkar is noticeable from his absence from photo, media videos, in European media. We get fluffy reports in our own media, trying to big him up. But substance? Nothing!
Keeping member states, including Ireland, happy is more important to the future of the EU than placating an untrustworthy ex-member.
in what way is Ireland “taking one for the good of the EU”?
it’s unfortunate that Ireland’s stance seems to be problematic for the UK (and I genuinely mean that) and it’s especially unfortunate that it’s possibly going to damage our relationship, but, so far as I can see, our position is necessary self-interest – nothing to do with taking the EU’s side in its squabble with the UK
@Brother. Recent history. We already took one for the good of EU members – paying off the gambler bond holders. People – gamblers – that took a no-lose punt on Ireland. That’s the reality. The EU have no qualms hanging us out to dry.
entirely agree, but that’s not what I was saying
point is that Ireland isn’t doing what its doing out of any loyalty or service to the EU; it’s protecting its own interests, nothing else.
(I agree that obviously we need the EU to back us on this- and whether it continues to do so or not remains to be seen)
The big bad EU eh?
Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.
@Brother.
But that’s the point. We are doing nothing. We are being proxied.
what else can we do?
there’s nothing happening yet – brits are in turmoil, going round in circles and consumed by in-fighting
Bertie
We are abandoned by our politicians and the EU
The coming months will reveal this
And like lemmings Leo will lead us over the cliff
Ah would you stop. Abandoned by the EU he says while the entire 27 are fighting our corner.
Doom and gloom based on nothing as usual david. Limerick’s win getting to you?
Nobody answers Ollie because he is intent on causing as much offence as possible with his stupid goading.
ROI is part of EU and as such will still trade freely within the block. The problems are the same as the other member states, albeit it larger, in that trade with Britain will become increasingly difficult. But, apart from also leaving the EU which there is no appetite for, there isn’t really a lot ROI can do right now, unless you think differently in which case feel free to explain.
Ireland is an unimportant entity. What exactly have we to offer the EU, apart from being a type of Bad Bank?
And you’re sbsolutely correct – there’s very little (nothing) that ROI can do to stop the EU or the UK reaching an outcome that suits the majority of the EU / UK.
If you think differently, i’d love to know what power we actually have.
I disagree. Ireland is a very important entity for both sides. ROI/NI is the only land border between UK and EU so of major significance, especially as the free movement of people on the Island of Ireland is bound by an international treaty.
Some people refer to Brexit as a divorce so using the same metaphorical language; Ireland and Britain signed a prenuptial called the GFA. It is up to the lawyers to argue the wording but pretty sure some of it means ‘In the event of…’.
we really are a nation of lemmings
“What exactly have we to offer the EU”
The sea and all its bounty.
https://www.facebook.com/ThingsOnlyIrish/photos/pb.313154682151855.-2207520000.1532888855./1393080667492579/?type=3&theater
@ SOQ. I like the link :-)
Say, for instance, that Brexit occurs in all its glory. And say (just for arguments sake) that the EU say…. ‘we don’t need the hassle of such a border situation – let’s terminate Ireland’s membership’
What would the EU lose? What would be the downsides for them?. In that situation, the EU would lose nothing, and there would be no downsides.
If i’m correct, then why would the EU worry too much about this little island in the current situation.
the EU would lose hugely from such an action – mainly in terms of trust and credibility
it’s irrelevant anyway. there’s no legal mechanism through which the EU could terminate Ireland’s membership. the only thing that comes close would be Article 7, which permits it to suspend a country’s voting rights in the event of repeated violation of founding principles. obviously that doesn’t apply.
I know it is a Sunday and hair talla don’t do Monday but please, STFU.
@SOQ. I’d love to be able to decipher what you just wrote, It obviously means something to you.
@Brother. The point i was making wasn’t that the EU would turn around and do that (dump us out). It was to show that there is no advantage to the EU for Ireland (other than saving face, trust/credibility for the EU) to be part of it.
What use are we to them, economically?
I think soq would like to muzzle us all
You mean aside from our fishing waters and our trade? We export more to Belgium than to the UK.
@Repro. Trade to Belgium – On paper perhaps. Accountancy and tax reasons but in terms of physical goods, no. PharmaChem Goods manufactured outside the EU travel directly from outside the EU to the likes of Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg etc. But the invoice issues from an Irish door plaque and is counted as an Irish export.
And the fishing trade? Really? Those ‘exports’ are accounted for in Ireland? Try Spain.
Spanish trawlers fish in our waters. That’s the point. They’ll need them more than ever if the UK decide to deny access to theirs.
Lets hope the EU really does come to the aid of Ireland in its hour of need.
Looks like this country is gonna need it.
Glad you backed the EU Leo ?
‘Ireland will be worst hit and may need emergency aid in event of no deal Brexit’ – Former WTO chief
http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/ireland-will-be-worst-hit-and-may-need-emergency-aid-in-event-of-no-deal-brexit-former-wto-chief-37165023.html
WHAT.A.MUPPET.
Worst hit of the EU27. The actual worst hit by a hard Sasamach would, of course, be Britain.
Luckily we’ll have the EU to help us out.
Why would we blame Leo or the EU for something the UK is doing really really badly?
Its called deflection Nigel. Look over there at how badly the Irish are handling our Brexit etc.
A brand new Government Department will be opened by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar at a lavish ceremony in the centre of Dublin tomorrow. The Department of Apologies is expected to quickly become one of the government’s busiest departments and will employ approximately 500 people straight away with more positions predicted in the near future. The Taoiseach spoke to reporters outside the plush city centre office complex where the Department of Apologies will be located.
“We’ve looked into the figures and it turns out that it would cost less to just keep apologising for stuff rather than fixing it.” he said. “It therefore makes perfect sense to have a department dedicated to issuing those apologies. The people employed in this department will be responsible for apologising for the state of all the other departments.”
So what exactly will the employees at the Department of Apologies be saying sorry for?
“Take your pick.” said the Taoiseach. “Your granny being left on a hospital trolley. The 10,000 homeless people in Ireland today. That’s a new record by the way. You just can’t argue with those figures. That’s real growth.”
Meanwhile a cabinet reshuffle has been finalised and Ireland’s first ever Minister for Apologies has been confirmed as Independent TD for Dublin Rathdown, Shane Ross. Minister Ross spoke briefly to the gathered press and was asked if he’d like to start by apologising for having that ridiculous English accent even though he’s a born and bred Dubliner. Unfortunately he declined.
“It is both an honour and a privilege for me to be named as Ireland’s first Minister for Apologies.” he said, still talking like a British World War Two news reporter from 1940. “I’m in this job for the long haul and on behalf of the government I want to assure the Irish people that I shall be apologising for things for a very long time to come. Go rev meela ….. meela ….. or whatever the hell it is. Thank you very much.”
The Minister, the Taoiseach and the entire cabinet then headed back to the bar in Dáil Eireann for a session to celebrate the start of their annual three month summer holidays.
I thought none of these women were supposed to endure courts even at the various PAC sittings
Maybe these who are involved are made reappear to explain themselves
That’s the boy Varadkar and the boy Harris for you. Try a quick fix to get the electorate off your back, only for it to bite a few days/weeks later.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JFTAXI/status/1023277076177149958/video/1
That’s what Varadkar said. He said that the State would settle any claims the women had, and the State would go after the laboratories. In the video.The women of ireland don’t like such liars and con artists.
Okay,so here’s a good example of you poor saps being fed prime boo boos by the media desperate to ensure Brexit doesn’t happen.
The Financial Times USED to be a respected newspaper until it decided it wanted to become rabidly anti-Brexit.
Its articles in that vein are often picked up by another newspaper with a once good record since trashed by its slavish obedience to the Irish government line about Brexit – the Irish Times.
So here’s the headline.
Deutsche Bank shifts half clearing from London to Frankfurt
Latest Brexit BLOW as European rivals win City business
OOOOOH,scary stuff.
Here’s the story.
https://www.ft.com/content/b18a3622-919a-11e8-b639-7680cedcc421
“Deutsche Bank has moved almost half its euro clearing activities from London to Frankfurt, in the latest sign of European cities winning financial business from the UK ahead of Brexit. ”
Tucked away at the bottom of this scare story is this little gem.
But at Deutsche Bank, the shift to Frankfurt-based clearing has not led to relocating jobs. “It’s the same London-based person who clears a transaction. We’re just using a different clearing house,” said Stefan Hoops, the bank’s global co-head of institutional and treasury coverage.
In a nutshell the FT tries to create a scare story but actually just confirms that not much will change in the City of London after Brexit.
It’s why Dublin is not being overrun by London City types looking to relocate despite all those promises about a Brexit boost after the Brexit referendum.
Lift the scales off your eyes and try to look through the Leinster House crap you’re being fed about Brexit.
You can get annoying sometimes Ollie but your eyes are open.
Sometimes? Real genuine question upon hard Brexit. How is Britain going to feed itself?
jeez SOQ. Do you think that food is only produced in Europe?
So the headline is…. accurate? How shocking. Are accurate headlines a thing Bexiteers fear and hate so much?