46 thoughts on “De Thursday Papers

  1. jusayinlike

    FT Times person of the year George SoroS was convicted of fraud in both Hungary and France.

    The Guardian is dismayed at peace in Syria.

  2. Lilly

    Awful story about HSE pursuing cancer patients for chemo charges. The French woman pictured has calculated that she’s paid €80k in income tax since moving here. You’d think €800 worth of chemo treatments wouldn’t be out of the question.

    1. Starina

      well, you know, if she couldn’t afford the chemo treatments she shouldn’t have gotten cancer. She’s clearly an SF shill. or something.

      1. Martco

        exactly, if you can’t afford cancer you shouldn’t be having it. if you want those kind of luxuries try getting out of bed earlier in the morning. cancer cheats cheat us all.

    2. Mickey Twopints

      Intrum Justitia? Lovely bunch of lads altogether. Debt collection practices far superior to those employed by KBC and Cabot.

    3. Cian

      Why should cancer patients be treated differently than other patients?

      Either waive the €80 inpatient fee for everyone, or not. Cancer patients aren’t special.

      Secondly, she is getting a hell of a lot more than €800 worth of chemo treatment. That €800 is made up of 10 x €80 inpatient fees (that apply to everyone; and there is an annual limit of €800).

      1. Brother Barnabas

        8 weeks of chemo treatment in the US is $45,000 (according to a friend of mine who just paid it). presume it’s similar here.

      2. Mickey Twopints

        Cian, I sincerely hope that neither you nor anyone you love is ever in the situation this woman finds herself. However, life being what it is, such a devastating illness is very likely to cross your path in life. When that day comes, I hope that you are shown a greater degree of empathy than you are displaying at this moment.

        1. Cian

          “Either waive the €80 inpatient fee for everyone, or not. ”
          I do have empathy.

          “Cancer patients aren’t special.”
          I just don’t see why ‘cancer’ is being singled out. There are lots of people who have chronic illnesses and are in-and-out of hospital – what about them?

        2. f_lawless

          Mickey, Cian doesn;’t waste his energy bringing himself down to empathise on an individual level, he’s empathises simultaneously with the whole of society!

        1. Brother Barnabas

          i interpreted that to mean everyone who’s seriously ill deserves compassion – not just cancer patients

      3. Yep

        I think the point Cian is how the debt collection agency does business. Thankfully I’ve never had to deal with them but knowing the work can be high pressure and bonus lead they can be aggressive and threatening.

        You seem to have a blind spot with how these third parties work. Like when you said yesterdaythe background of the people evicting in Roscommon was irrelevant. Bizarre stance.

        You seem to think that once a debt needs to be paid all bets are off. We’re talking about cancer patients. Possibly terminal in a lot of cases. You excuse the ridiculous overspend on the hospital yet can’t see how harmful the method is for collecting on these people.

        Where on the spectrum do you think you are?

        1. Cian

          You missed my point (perhaps it was badly written – as you were not alone).

          I should have said
          1. Why not remove this inpatient fee from everyone?
          2. Why restrict waiving this inpatient fee to cancer patients? Are other sick patients not in a similar position and it should be extended to all that need it.
          3. Leave the impatient fee as-is, but drop the annual maximum value so anyone with multiple visits benefits.

          Aside: I didn’t mention debt collection agencies – all that stuff is all in your head.

          And are you trying to use autism as an insult?

          1. yep

            No, it’s not in my head. It’s the core of the story. Not that people have to pay but that the woman in the story on the front page is being “Hounded” and ICS have reported that others are being treated in a similar fashion.

            Do you think people who have outstanding debt for treatment should be treated the same as people who haven’t paid their toll or have missed payments on a car?

            No, it’s not an insult. It’s an observation on how you seem to process a lot of stories. On a number of occasions when you have run out of the warm blanket of black and white stats you disappear when the discussion becomes more nuanced. I wouldn’t call it lacking empathy but you seem to completely disregard opinions if they aren’t backed by cso or similar statistics.

            Having said all that, I do apologise for my approach and probably should have asked you to clarify before what now seems unnecessary and aggressive. I probably need to take a break from BS as it seems to be becoming a trend with me. Have a great Christmas Cian.

      4. rotide

        So should inpatient fees be waived for cancer cases?

        How about Aids? Heart disease? MS? Parkinsons? Alzheimers?

        Is there a tragedy line that can’t be crossed with the common cold at one end and Ebola at the other?

        1. Mickey Twopints

          Just for clarity, would you classify my bleeding liberal heart under heart disease, or no? What about treatment for my chronic virtue signalling, does that count as a neurological disorder?

        2. Lilly

          No, the charges shouldn’t necessarily be waived. But patients should be given a reasonable amount of time to deal with it before setting the debt collection dogs on them. 47 days is not reasonable when people are seriously ill.

  3. Johnny

    Following on from the explosive Pennsylvania grand jury report into the Catholic Church,many state AG’s opened investigations.
    Illinois issued a damming prelim report yesterday,summary and link below.

    “By choosing not to thoroughly investigate allegations, the Catholic Church has failed in its moral obligation to provide survivors, parishioners and the public a complete and accurate accounting of all sexually inappropriate behavior involving priests in Illinois,” Madigan said. “The failure to investigate also means that the Catholic Church has never made an effort to determine whether the conduct of the accused priests was ignored or covered up by superiors.”


  4. Eoin

    Great news for Limerick for Christmas as the US treasury lifts the threat of sanctions against Rusal, the company which owns the Aughinish aluminum refinery which employs 500 directly and over a thousand indirectly. The threat has been hanging over the plant for eight months, after the US treasury targeted Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, the owner of Rusal. The statement yesterday says “Agreed Upon Framework Severs Oleg Deripaska’s Control of These Entities and Substantially Decreases His Ownership Interest”

    So, it’s great news huh? If so, someone should tell the stock market. While Rusal’s share price did shoot up 25% after the announcement, it settled at 10% up. That’s still down 50% from its level in April when the sanction threat was announced. Why the lack of Christmas cheer in the share price then?

    It looks like the market is not 100% convinced that Deripaska will “sever” and “substantially decrease” his ownership.

    It’s still one to watch.

    Meanwhile Deripaska is accused by the US of interfering in the general election in Montenegro in 2016. Russia wanted a pro-Russian political party to win the election in the former Yugoslav country, so that the country wouldn’t proceed with its application to join Nato.


  5. Eoin

    Another Carravagio tableau on the chaos of Brexit on the front page of the Telegraph. Corbyn didn’t follow through with his nonsensical motion of no confidence in the prime minister. More and more government ministers are talking about no deal preparations. And now, they’re fupping off for two weeks to “test the water ” in their constituencies.

    So, how prepared is Ireland for a no deal? Not very well according to the Opposition which saw position papers last night.

    What about our businesses which use London for financial services? The EU says

    “.Will banks and insurers with headquarters in the UK be able to continue to
    provide services in the EU in case of no deal?
    In case of no deal, entities headquartered in the UK providing banking
    services will no longer be allowed to provide services in the EU on the basis of
    their current authorisations.
    Similarly, in case of no deal, UK insurance undertakings will no longer be
    allowed to provide services in the EU, including through online sales, on the
    basis of their current authorisations.
    Financial institutions that wish to provide banking or insurance services in the
    European Union should take all necessary steps to be properly auth”

    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      It’s a fantastic photo alright. Needs a title;

      ‘The Challenge to Bercow’
      ‘Rock, Paper, Scissors’
      ‘Chaos Brexitus’

      1. Eoin

        Poor Denis, I hope he didn’t invest in his property adviser’s company, trading at 67c today, down 45% in four months. But even at 67c, is Glenveagh really worth €584 million?

        1. johnny

          Never really understood what JM was thinking getting into the starter home market, its low margin and high-Glenveagh is low vol no margin:)
          The shares appear to be trading a discount to NAV-looked reasonable at 70 but….

          Dennis is not really not having much of a week-Cable and Wireless (Flow) just initiated a court case over the awarding of a LTE License.

          “The telecommunications company FLOW has filed a lawsuit against the Eastern Caribbean Telecommunications Authority (ECTEL), in a bid to revoke the 700-spectrum license granted to the Irish-based company, Digicel.”


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