The abuse, the cover-up of the abuse, and the cover-up of the cover-up of the abuse.
Disgusting
Giggidygoo
But it’s not confined to that only. This is cover for anything. The main headline is to try give the impression it’s only related to the abuse.
newsjustin
How could Harris tolerate Catholic hospitals not providing abortions? All must bend the knee to the almighty abortion now. Pro-abortion advocates cannot tolerate being on their own. Everyone must affirm their decisions now.
Queue someone saying “the country voted for this in May…”
Cú Chulainn
You live in an odd space in your mind..
MaryLou's ArmaLite
Odd is an understatement
bisted
…less and less people now ‘bend a knee’…people voted overwhelmingly for choice…your days of pervert priests, bonking bishops and disgraced cardinals are ending…control of health and education is slowly being wrested from your grip…
newsjustin
The rest of your riffing aside, can I just pick you up on “people voted overwhelmingly for choice.” A line I predicted in my first post.
People voted to remove the 8th amendment in 2018 and the Government followed up with legislation broadly along the lines of that flagged post referendum. Here are a few things that wasn’t, contrary to the belief/hopes of some people, voted on in the referendum (or even contained in legislation):
– abortions anytime, anyplace
– all medical personnel, administrators and institutions to adopt the vote as some mandate or directive to provide, participate in, or even approve of abortions
– abortions beyond the strict scope of the legislation e.g. non fatal foetal abnormalities (as certain politicians want to convince us we voted for)
– some vague notion of “choice”
– that non-governmental and civil society organisations such as the Catholic Church or independent hospitals be compelled to provide abortions against their will.
Junkface
Oh no! The Catholic Church or Independent services may have to provide abortions against their will!
Yes they would rather see those fetus’s brought into the world as children that could be provided as molestation stock for their sick Paedophile priests and Bishops.
Remember the Catholic Church is the number 1 organisation when it comes to child rape, they are the champions of misery and trauma of the human psyche. They neglected hundreds of babies and toddlers and threw them into mass graves in Tuam. They the most hypocritical organisation on the planet.
DEMOCRACY HAS SPOKEN IN IRELAND. ABORTION IS LEGAL
WE DO NOT CARE WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THINK
newsjustin
Cool story Junkface.
Yes, abortion is legal under certain circumstances. Much wider circumstances than it was before the referendum. The grown-ups understand that.
I’m fine with you not caring what the RCC thinks, it’s probably to be recommended. But obviously what particular hospitals want to do on their premises does, of course, matter.
And I don’t know about you, but I’d like to live in a world where neither abortion or child abuse happens. Not your self-serving fantasy world where we have to pick one or the other.
Junkface
Hey newsjustin,
Its not a Story and its not cool, its a reality and every few months we are reminded about the importance of separating Church and State, when yet another stone is upturned and a few more Paedophile priests or bishops crawl out from under it.
We can all now clearly see what happened when the Catholic church had wrangled its way into every institution in Ireland throughout the 20th Century, when they had real power. They even stooped to kidnapping children from young mothers and selling them to wealthy Americans for cash. That’s ultimately what it comes down to, power and profit to keep the ridiculous outdated Bronze Age fiction alive. Humans have evolved a lot since the 2nd to 6th centuries, when they wrote this ridiculous muck.
We would all like to live in a world were child abuse never happens, and the first step is removing Catholic Churches rules from our countries laws. That goes for all religions. Keep them away from our legal systems. It only leads to abuse.
newsjustin
I don’t understand. If you’re so keen on separating church and state, as you claim to be, why do you deem it essential that the state specifically intervene to force a church run hospital to provide a very specific medical procedure?
“Separate church and state. Except for the state insisting on specific services in church run hospitals.”
It would be more honest to just ask to de-fund those hospitals entirely rather than trying to wrest control – explicitly mixing church and state.
bisted
…ah News…these arguments are unworthy of you…just accept that people voted for choice…they voted against a few people deciding health outcomes for women based on a hypocrtical morality…nobody voted for abortion, they voted to throw of the yoke of catholicism…
newsjustin
No Bisted. People voted to remove the 8th Amendment from the Constitution, removing the protection for the life of the unborn.
Anything else you have in your mind around vague notions of choice and yokes is just melodrama.
Repealing the 8th doesn’t mean every abortion related whim, fantasy or convenience is automatically approved. Next people will claim that it’s ok to knock pregnant women down with their car because “the country voted for choice.”
Giggidygoo
I’d like to opt out of any of my tax being given to the likes of these institutions.
Looks though, like Harris is in for another row. ‘Bring it on’ eh?
Daisy Chainsaw
If they won’t carry out state services, they shouldn’t get state money. Let catholics fund catholic hospitals and the rest of us will go to facilities based on science and not ruled by superstition.
newsjustin
Daisy, not all hospitals, state run or independent, offer the same services. They either don’t or simply can’t.
Most people understand this reality. Some people want to remove state funded patients because the hospitals won’t provide a particular service, but most people see the folly of that.
Cian
This is true. But not all hospitals, state run or independent, will have to provide abortions.
eoin
Leave Shakira alone, her breasts are small and humble, they’re not mountains!
Spanish tax authorities are pursuing her for €14.5 million.
Digicel’s finances for the quarter ending December 2018 are reported in the Indo (which, according to a whistleblowing ex-CEO is allegedly run in DOB’s interests).
Revenue of $554m in Q3, pre-tax etc earnings of $241m, debt of $6.8bn and debt:estimated EBITDA of 6.8
Johnny will know what the net loss after interest and depreciation is predicted to be in the financial year to March 2019, but it’s probably a loss of around €200m. The collapse of the Haitian currency won’t help.
There was a record one day decline in certain Digicel bonds yesterday.
Maybe the SBP should make an emergency application for security for costs in the High Court this morning.
millie st murderlark
STOP STEALING JOHNNY’S THUNDER
eoin
Shurrup you, or I’ll steal your whismy and top-notch flirtation.
millie st murderlark
Crap. You’ve got me rumbled.
Johnny
-hi Eoin and Millie,just to annoy Ro I was actually no really I was,flying to LA from NY,yesterday on Delta,which has ridicolous WiFi unlike JetBlue.
-so was ‘off grid’ most day,just catching up now,did read the IT/Indo pieces which had little or no real detail.
-will try get something up over the weekend.
Oh the jet setting lifestyle:)
eoin
The NBP makes the NCH look like the cost of the Siteserv commission . Now the estimated to cost us of the National Broadband Plan is €3bn, up from an estimate of €500m last September.
RTE reports exchanges at an Oireachtas committee yesterday between Pearse Doherty of SF and Leo.
“Pressing the Taoiseach about the cost of the plan, Mr Doherty said: “There was a cost benefit analysis already done on this project at the early stages, based on a cost of €500m. This could end up in the region of €3bn.
“This is a spectacular underestimation or an overrun on a planned project of national importance. And it really, really questions how Government are handling major capital infrastructure projects,” he said.
The Taoiseach said: “There is no overrun here. This project has not even started. A tender has come in and it’s a certain price and it is our decision now as a Government and as an Oireachtas whether we want to pay that price, whether we believe it is worth it or not. There is no overrun here.””
SOQ
So basically, at €3bn it is a non runner which is fair enough. Why don’t they tender it on a phased basis? That way, the public can see where the costs are occurring.
Of course there are alternatives to broadband, satellite for example. It is slower and more expensive but is still a vast improvement on nothing and is something an individual can purchase right now. Nail Quinn’s QSAT is no longer around but international companies like Bentley Walker still provide the same service.
Then there is the option of bumping up mobile reception by new masts or a direct sight rerouting system from a BB hub which is again not ideal but prioritising core connectivity for lighter use dispenses with this all or nothing mega bill. Cut your coat according to your cloth etc.
eoin
No Express front page today?
Are they leading with “FISHING CHAOS [two tiny NI fishing boats illegally fishing in Dundalk bay impounded by Irish navy]: Ireland sparks fury after SEIZING British ships – ‘APPALLED!'”
Reporting the DUP making this false statement without correction “The fishing boats are very clearly British fishing boats. They were illegally [under the 2006 Fisheries Act, no foreign including GB NI boats can fish within 6 miles of our coast] seized in waters that are disputed [the waters up to 6 miles off the Irish coast are not disputed, the UK and Ireland, EU and UN accept they’re Irish], waters that belong to this great nation [no, they don’t], this British nation [the boats were seized in Irish waters less than 6 miles off the Irish coast]”
SOQ
According to the news last night, Kilkeel is the centre of the NI fishing industry.
It is also one of the most God awful sectarian DUP holes in the north. Don’t expect a welcome in Kilkeel because they don’t have tourists, just strangers.
martco
ugh. I agree. I fancied a coastal drive once upon a time & cluelessly wandered into Kilkeel…a sea of union jacks like something outa the Nuremberg rallies & not a soul to be seen save for one oul mad lad who shouted at us as we drove past (presumably our plates weren’t to his liking) I’ve driven thru a few oddball places Kilkeel definitely up there with the best of them!
thinking that trawler business definitely has to be a Brexit related poke at the wasps nest
SOQ
I have friends local and as I had never been I said we should pay a visit for lunch one day. They reluctantly agreed.
The only place we could find was the hotel. Decor right out of the eighties complete with plastic table cloths and bare painted walls. We ordered fish and chips and that is what we got, with no vinegar or sauce let alone side salad. Depressing wasn’t the word for it.
And then below the red white and blue bunting, arches and flags is the parking. One side of the main street only for southern cars or any other displaying GAA or any other Irish like symbols.
Truly the place that time forgot.
eoin
It’s a beautiful drive or bike ride out to Kilkeel from Newry, stunning part of Ireland. The arch (or arches) in the town are weird. The idea that you can erect these metal gantries across a road, depicting that time the Prods kicked the stuffing out of the Taigs and everyone has to walk or drive underneath them, it’s like 1950s Mississippi.
Spaghetti Hoop
Made same mistake visiting there too. Even before the GFA I defiantly explored as much of the North as possible. Being a good map-reader, I figured out that places were potentially interesting based on physical map features like topography, coastal features, little roads and monuments. And it was mostly great – apart from hell-holes like Kilkeel. Ya can’t map morons.
eoin
Bit strapped for cash for a holiday this year?
Just £50 total for a 13-day all-inclusive holiday in the UK later this month. “fully paid accommodation, official kit, and breakfast and dinner” each day. Get fit as you see the green and pleasant land with an undemanding daily stroll. Iffy company but it’s only £50.
Seals thing deserves clubbing
The abuse, the cover-up of the abuse, and the cover-up of the cover-up of the abuse.
Disgusting
But it’s not confined to that only. This is cover for anything. The main headline is to try give the impression it’s only related to the abuse.
How could Harris tolerate Catholic hospitals not providing abortions? All must bend the knee to the almighty abortion now. Pro-abortion advocates cannot tolerate being on their own. Everyone must affirm their decisions now.
Queue someone saying “the country voted for this in May…”
You live in an odd space in your mind..
Odd is an understatement
…less and less people now ‘bend a knee’…people voted overwhelmingly for choice…your days of pervert priests, bonking bishops and disgraced cardinals are ending…control of health and education is slowly being wrested from your grip…
The rest of your riffing aside, can I just pick you up on “people voted overwhelmingly for choice.” A line I predicted in my first post.
People voted to remove the 8th amendment in 2018 and the Government followed up with legislation broadly along the lines of that flagged post referendum. Here are a few things that wasn’t, contrary to the belief/hopes of some people, voted on in the referendum (or even contained in legislation):
– abortions anytime, anyplace
– all medical personnel, administrators and institutions to adopt the vote as some mandate or directive to provide, participate in, or even approve of abortions
– abortions beyond the strict scope of the legislation e.g. non fatal foetal abnormalities (as certain politicians want to convince us we voted for)
– some vague notion of “choice”
– that non-governmental and civil society organisations such as the Catholic Church or independent hospitals be compelled to provide abortions against their will.
Oh no! The Catholic Church or Independent services may have to provide abortions against their will!
Yes they would rather see those fetus’s brought into the world as children that could be provided as molestation stock for their sick Paedophile priests and Bishops.
Remember the Catholic Church is the number 1 organisation when it comes to child rape, they are the champions of misery and trauma of the human psyche. They neglected hundreds of babies and toddlers and threw them into mass graves in Tuam. They the most hypocritical organisation on the planet.
DEMOCRACY HAS SPOKEN IN IRELAND. ABORTION IS LEGAL
WE DO NOT CARE WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THINK
Cool story Junkface.
Yes, abortion is legal under certain circumstances. Much wider circumstances than it was before the referendum. The grown-ups understand that.
I’m fine with you not caring what the RCC thinks, it’s probably to be recommended. But obviously what particular hospitals want to do on their premises does, of course, matter.
And I don’t know about you, but I’d like to live in a world where neither abortion or child abuse happens. Not your self-serving fantasy world where we have to pick one or the other.
Hey newsjustin,
Its not a Story and its not cool, its a reality and every few months we are reminded about the importance of separating Church and State, when yet another stone is upturned and a few more Paedophile priests or bishops crawl out from under it.
We can all now clearly see what happened when the Catholic church had wrangled its way into every institution in Ireland throughout the 20th Century, when they had real power. They even stooped to kidnapping children from young mothers and selling them to wealthy Americans for cash. That’s ultimately what it comes down to, power and profit to keep the ridiculous outdated Bronze Age fiction alive. Humans have evolved a lot since the 2nd to 6th centuries, when they wrote this ridiculous muck.
We would all like to live in a world were child abuse never happens, and the first step is removing Catholic Churches rules from our countries laws. That goes for all religions. Keep them away from our legal systems. It only leads to abuse.
I don’t understand. If you’re so keen on separating church and state, as you claim to be, why do you deem it essential that the state specifically intervene to force a church run hospital to provide a very specific medical procedure?
“Separate church and state. Except for the state insisting on specific services in church run hospitals.”
It would be more honest to just ask to de-fund those hospitals entirely rather than trying to wrest control – explicitly mixing church and state.
…ah News…these arguments are unworthy of you…just accept that people voted for choice…they voted against a few people deciding health outcomes for women based on a hypocrtical morality…nobody voted for abortion, they voted to throw of the yoke of catholicism…
No Bisted. People voted to remove the 8th Amendment from the Constitution, removing the protection for the life of the unborn.
Anything else you have in your mind around vague notions of choice and yokes is just melodrama.
Repealing the 8th doesn’t mean every abortion related whim, fantasy or convenience is automatically approved. Next people will claim that it’s ok to knock pregnant women down with their car because “the country voted for choice.”
I’d like to opt out of any of my tax being given to the likes of these institutions.
Looks though, like Harris is in for another row. ‘Bring it on’ eh?
If they won’t carry out state services, they shouldn’t get state money. Let catholics fund catholic hospitals and the rest of us will go to facilities based on science and not ruled by superstition.
Daisy, not all hospitals, state run or independent, offer the same services. They either don’t or simply can’t.
Most people understand this reality. Some people want to remove state funded patients because the hospitals won’t provide a particular service, but most people see the folly of that.
This is true. But not all hospitals, state run or independent, will have to provide abortions.
Leave Shakira alone, her breasts are small and humble, they’re not mountains!
Spanish tax authorities are pursuing her for €14.5 million.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/feb/26/shakira-appear-court-barcelona-alleged-tax-evasion-spain
I’m sure Johnny will be all over this.
Digicel’s finances for the quarter ending December 2018 are reported in the Indo (which, according to a whistleblowing ex-CEO is allegedly run in DOB’s interests).
Revenue of $554m in Q3, pre-tax etc earnings of $241m, debt of $6.8bn and debt:estimated EBITDA of 6.8
Johnny will know what the net loss after interest and depreciation is predicted to be in the financial year to March 2019, but it’s probably a loss of around €200m. The collapse of the Haitian currency won’t help.
There was a record one day decline in certain Digicel bonds yesterday.
Maybe the SBP should make an emergency application for security for costs in the High Court this morning.
STOP STEALING JOHNNY’S THUNDER
Shurrup you, or I’ll steal your whismy and top-notch flirtation.
Crap. You’ve got me rumbled.
-hi Eoin and Millie,just to annoy Ro I was actually no really I was,flying to LA from NY,yesterday on Delta,which has ridicolous WiFi unlike JetBlue.
-so was ‘off grid’ most day,just catching up now,did read the IT/Indo pieces which had little or no real detail.
-will try get something up over the weekend.
Oh the jet setting lifestyle:)
The NBP makes the NCH look like the cost of the Siteserv commission . Now the estimated to cost us of the National Broadband Plan is €3bn, up from an estimate of €500m last September.
RTE reports exchanges at an Oireachtas committee yesterday between Pearse Doherty of SF and Leo.
“Pressing the Taoiseach about the cost of the plan, Mr Doherty said: “There was a cost benefit analysis already done on this project at the early stages, based on a cost of €500m. This could end up in the region of €3bn.
“This is a spectacular underestimation or an overrun on a planned project of national importance. And it really, really questions how Government are handling major capital infrastructure projects,” he said.
The Taoiseach said: “There is no overrun here. This project has not even started. A tender has come in and it’s a certain price and it is our decision now as a Government and as an Oireachtas whether we want to pay that price, whether we believe it is worth it or not. There is no overrun here.””
So basically, at €3bn it is a non runner which is fair enough. Why don’t they tender it on a phased basis? That way, the public can see where the costs are occurring.
Of course there are alternatives to broadband, satellite for example. It is slower and more expensive but is still a vast improvement on nothing and is something an individual can purchase right now. Nail Quinn’s QSAT is no longer around but international companies like Bentley Walker still provide the same service.
Then there is the option of bumping up mobile reception by new masts or a direct sight rerouting system from a BB hub which is again not ideal but prioritising core connectivity for lighter use dispenses with this all or nothing mega bill. Cut your coat according to your cloth etc.
No Express front page today?
Are they leading with “FISHING CHAOS [two tiny NI fishing boats illegally fishing in Dundalk bay impounded by Irish navy]: Ireland sparks fury after SEIZING British ships – ‘APPALLED!'”
Reporting the DUP making this false statement without correction “The fishing boats are very clearly British fishing boats. They were illegally [under the 2006 Fisheries Act, no foreign including GB NI boats can fish within 6 miles of our coast] seized in waters that are disputed [the waters up to 6 miles off the Irish coast are not disputed, the UK and Ireland, EU and UN accept they’re Irish], waters that belong to this great nation [no, they don’t], this British nation [the boats were seized in Irish waters less than 6 miles off the Irish coast]”
According to the news last night, Kilkeel is the centre of the NI fishing industry.
It is also one of the most God awful sectarian DUP holes in the north. Don’t expect a welcome in Kilkeel because they don’t have tourists, just strangers.
ugh. I agree. I fancied a coastal drive once upon a time & cluelessly wandered into Kilkeel…a sea of union jacks like something outa the Nuremberg rallies & not a soul to be seen save for one oul mad lad who shouted at us as we drove past (presumably our plates weren’t to his liking) I’ve driven thru a few oddball places Kilkeel definitely up there with the best of them!
thinking that trawler business definitely has to be a Brexit related poke at the wasps nest
I have friends local and as I had never been I said we should pay a visit for lunch one day. They reluctantly agreed.
The only place we could find was the hotel. Decor right out of the eighties complete with plastic table cloths and bare painted walls. We ordered fish and chips and that is what we got, with no vinegar or sauce let alone side salad. Depressing wasn’t the word for it.
And then below the red white and blue bunting, arches and flags is the parking. One side of the main street only for southern cars or any other displaying GAA or any other Irish like symbols.
Truly the place that time forgot.
It’s a beautiful drive or bike ride out to Kilkeel from Newry, stunning part of Ireland. The arch (or arches) in the town are weird. The idea that you can erect these metal gantries across a road, depicting that time the Prods kicked the stuffing out of the Taigs and everyone has to walk or drive underneath them, it’s like 1950s Mississippi.
Made same mistake visiting there too. Even before the GFA I defiantly explored as much of the North as possible. Being a good map-reader, I figured out that places were potentially interesting based on physical map features like topography, coastal features, little roads and monuments. And it was mostly great – apart from hell-holes like Kilkeel. Ya can’t map morons.
Bit strapped for cash for a holiday this year?
Just £50 total for a 13-day all-inclusive holiday in the UK later this month. “fully paid accommodation, official kit, and breakfast and dinner” each day. Get fit as you see the green and pleasant land with an undemanding daily stroll. Iffy company but it’s only £50.
https://order-order.com/2019/02/28/brexiteers-march-sunderland-westminster/