Obeying Orders


This afternoon.

The House of Commons.

“Over 90 per cent of the killings during the Troubles were at the hands of terrorists, every single one of those was a crime

The fewer than 10 per cent that were at the hands of the military and police were not crimes.

They were people acting under orders and under instruction and fulfilling their duty in a dignified and appropriate way.”

UK Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley.

NI secretary: Security force killings ‘not crimes’ (BBC)

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51 thoughts on “Obeying Orders

    1. realPolithicks

      The same could be said about the entire british government, may, johnson, gove, reesmooooog and the rest of this clueless mob are extraordinarily incompetent…it almost boggles the mind.

    2. Slightly Bemused

      Is this the same person who said she did not understand why Nationalists would not vote for Unionists?

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        She’s a tory. They’re oblivious to reality because of years of inbred privilege.

  1. Iwerzon

    Following this utterly disgraceful logic – those that gave the orders were committing the crimes.

  2. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

    I’d say those that were killed would be delighted to know they were killed in a dignified and appropriate way.

    1. Ian-O

      It’s at times like this I put aside common sense and have a good old belly laugh at the absolute state of the UK under the tories.


      Then I grow back up and remember we are talking about real human lives and it kind of sobers me up.

      Deeply depressing all round.

      1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

        Aye. I have been thinking about this a bit. I used to buy into their arrogance and believe that they were actually good at what they did, even if I didn’t approve of their politics. Now I see that not only are they reprehensible people, they’re also useless.

        1. millie st murderlark

          Yes. I’ll agree with that and buy a t-shirt if you have one.

          Or a hat.

      1. Cian

        While they shouldn’t have been executed, they weren’t innocent bystanders – the three of them had a hire-car with 84 kg of Semtex explosive inside.

          1. shitferbrains

            The car they’d parked was the one to be pulled out to allow the bomb car found later in Spain to be parked. Not familiar with car bomb tactics, are you ?

          2. Cian

            “Shortly after the shootings, soldiers and police officers evacuated buildings in the vicinity of the Convent, while bomb-disposal experts got to work; four hours later, the authorities announced that a car bomb had been defused, after which Savage’s white Renault was towed from the car park by an army truck.”

            “When the bodies were searched, a set of car keys was found on Farrell. Spanish and British authorities conducted enquiries to trace the vehicle, which—two days after the shootings—led them to a red Ford Fiesta in a car park in Marbella (50 miles [80 kilometres] from Gibraltar). The car contained a large quantity of Semtex surrounded by 200 rounds of ammunition, along with four detonators and two timers.”

            Links to sources on the Wiki page.

      2. Mel

        You mean members of the IRA involved in an armed struggle? Save your RIP’s for those that deserve it.

        1. Johnny

          Yeah much better to be a self loathing west Brit shrill,that a proud Irish republican….

          Mariead,Sean and Dan were murdered on this day.

          Do not stand at my grave and weep.

          “In Armagh jail I served my time
          Strip searches were a British crime
          Degraded me but they could not see
          I suffered this to see Ireland free
          Gibraltar Rock’s the place I died
          McCann and Savage were by my side
          I heard the order loud and shrill
          Of Thatchers voice, said SHOOT TO KILL“


          1. Johnny

            Have some self respect,get off your knees pal,which part of being Irish are you struggling with ?

        2. Frilly Keane

          Róisín McAliskey


          Anyone here go through labour handcuffed to a trolly?

          Anyone know if they found her guilty ov’ an’ting btw?

  3. Spaghetti Hoop

    Splutter. As if there weren’t enough abrasive comments, this idiot of an MP comes out with this? There are victims involved here. There is still a peace process, a very fragile one at that.

    Seriously, we will one day look back at those warming relations between Ireland and the UK from the 2011 visit by QE2 and the subsequent Ceiliúradh / State visit in London in 2014 – it was all oul guff really between two ineffective heads of state clinking glasses. Our divisions run too close to the bone, too many lives lost and hatred and retaliation still in the air.

    1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

      One of the only pluses of Brexit, I think, is the introduction of the bile that is the DUP to Great Britain.
      HA! Now YOU have to deal with them. Enjoy!

      1. Junkface

        Ha ha! You hit the nail on the head there.

        Dear Britain, here are your Religious Flintstones back.

  4. Stan

    This is the woman who didn’t realise that Catholics in NI don’t vote for unionist parties and Protestants don’t vote for SF.

  5. Cú Chulainn

    Well, after the short detente, at least we know what we’re dealing with going forward..

  6. Jake38

    This woman is a prime demonstration of just how much NI means to the powers that be in Westminster.

  7. Mel

    Killing innocent people is and was a crime. It was then and it is now.
    Killing IRA men and women wasn’t a crime. After all Gerry and the rest of them never tire of telling us ‘the struggle’ was a ‘war’.

    This does not take away from the fact that Karen Bradley is out of her depth and clueless.

    1. gerry

      The victims of Bloody Sunday were not members of the IRA. The Bloody Sunday enquiry is the context in which this comment was made.

  8. Friscondo

    A good example of the British security forces murderous incompetence is the botched killing of young Lurgan man, Michael Tighe, 17 years old, in 1990. His murder in a joint RUC/MI5 operation was taped, but the evidence was destroyed. He had no PIRA or Republican association whatsoever. The idea that his killers should not face justice is an affront to democracy. As I’ve said before British politics is a cess pit. Bradley is an offensively stupid illustration of what passes for ministerial office. It’s no coincidence that the country is currently set on a path of self destruction.

  9. gringo

    The brits have been butchering peasants all over the world for hundreds of years, so she merely reflects the thoughts of the brit ruling classes, It still goes on.

  10. Truth in the News

    Shoot to Kill policy officially revealed finally in of all places – the House of Commons
    Who gave orders, endorsed and enforced this policy and since those who committed
    war crimes elsewhere were put on trial in the Hauge, is it not time that those who
    orchestrated these actions in the British Establishment were put on trial finally
    The day of reckoning has come for the disintegrating Empire in its first and last colony

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