52 thoughts on “Indefensible

  1. kellMA

    Wow… hard to believe that there is such a gap in earnings for doing the same job. Although i guess the IDF dont have the same powers of arrest etc. or? How can the justiy this?

    1. Qwerty123

      Its on overtime only. lowest level private on way more than that on their base. And no, it is not the same job. No link to the figues also, so most likely more soc dem virtue signalling.

      1. Praetorian.

        Base entry level private soldier just out of recruit training is just under €27,000 per year…24hr armed barrack duty is €20 for 24hrs…soldiers from as far as Donegal are doing duties in Dublin with no allowances for travelling.

    2. Cian

      At a guess the soldiers aren’t on overtime – this is their day job. They get to run around Clare this week rather than the Curragh.

      The Gardaí do have a day-job so then need overtime to cover both the usual police stuff and this unusual event.

        1. Praetorian.

          I’ve a cousin called Cian…im gonna slap him tomorrow just in case it’s you.

  2. eoin

    I’d like to see the workings behind those figures. What are the 10,000 members of the Defence Forces usually doing on a Wednesday and Thursday? Unless they’re on international peace-keeping missions or training, then aren’t they just being paid to watch Jeremy Kyle?

    If they’re getting a €80 bonus for a trip from barracks to the stunningly beautiful Doonbeg, and all they have to do is stand around and look soldier-y, then why are they complaining?

    There is a huge disparity in pay between Gardai and soldiers though, and not to be disparaging to soldiers, the daily demands on Gardai in terms of the law and dealing with civilian matters are far more challenging.

    1. Hector Ramirez

      And what exactly will the Gardai be doing in Doonbeg? I’m guessing standing around twiddling their thumbs. It’s not as if they’ll have to do much day to day law enforcement. So why the disparity?

    2. Slightly Bemused

      “watch Jeremy Kyle” :- I have it on good authority they prefer to watch Pinky and the Brain :)

    3. Praetorian.

      ‘im not being disparaging to soldiers’…read your first two paragraphs back to yourself out loud…pig ignorant clown.

  3. Jake38

    ….”Gardai will be paid between €1,100 and €1,500 after tax, for their 4 days for the Trump Visit.

    Members of the Irish Defence Forces will recieve €80, for the 4 days after tax.”


    Personal income tax rates in Ireland are punitive.

  4. Spaghetti Hoop

    Where are the job specs / duties list for each, for this event? Are the DF there in case of a military attack, and the Gardai to hold back protesting crowds?

    1. Mickey Twopints

      Heard on Monday that 500 US security personnel were being hosted on the UL campus, who knows how many more will arrive with the main circus, the Army Ranger Wing have been deployed, the Infantry are in position, the Guards have a reported 1500 on duty, the Navy have a boat with bangbang tubes off the beach, and the airspace is closed for the next few days.

      Popular lad, Mr. Trump.

      I was wondering though, out of all of those thousands of bodyguards, how many get up in the morning thinking “I’ll gladly take a bullet for that cunt”?

  5. Zaccone

    What hours are they working? What roles are they performing? Without more facts this is just a tabloid headline.

    For all we know the defense force lads are privates sitting in a barracks watching TV just to be nearby for any unlikely emergency. While the Gardai in question might be senior Gardai, working 18 hour shifts doing high level event management.

    Context is everything.

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Reminds me of Spike Milligan who arrived late when joining the army. “I’ll make it up – I’ll fight nights as well’

      Joking aside though – it’s pretty disgusting when some army personnel have to rely on FIS to make ends meet.

      1. Spaghetti Hoop

        Some reserves in the DF work part time and have another career. We’re not at war with anyone. Pretty obvious then that there’s not a lot of defending to be done.

        1. Slightly Bemused

          They do that because they are not paid enough as soldiers to make ends meet, not because of a lack of defending.

          1. Slightly Bemused

            I do not disagree, but I wanted to point out that that is not the reason they need to take second, and occasionally third, jobs

      2. eoin

        + 1

        That’s the real issue here. Basic army pay, at the lower ranks, isn’t sufficient to meet reasonable daily living expenses, particularly housing costs (and if you’re a working family without kindly retired relations, childcare costs). If we are to have an army, then at least pay them a living wage.

          1. ReproBertie

            In a begrudgery fuelled snipe at Katie eoin lied about Katie saying she wouldn’t fight in Ireland because of serious security concerns and said that we all act like it’s grand that she said that but it’s not grand.

            Katie never said any such thing.

    2. Praetorian.

      Soldiers are on the ground for the duration…under canvas or in trucks.Fed on ration packs…majority armed as aid to civil power.
      ARW have been on site since last week.
      DF on site…Gardai on site and perimeter.

    1. Slightly Bemused

      On that note,I watched a convoy of trucks with brand spanking new barriers going through yesterday, likely on their way to Doonbeg. His visit is likely boosting production :)

    1. millie st murderlark

      I have a friend in the Gardaí. She doesn’t even make close to that. She makes closer to one third of that, and thats after 12-15 years service.

      1. curmudgeon

        Quality anonymous anecdote you’ve got there. Sure go ahead and put up her payslip so we can see how the figures the Dept. of Expenditure released are so obviously wrong.

          1. millie st murderlark

            Been saving that one for a while. This was as good a time as any to unleash it

        1. Cian

          €1,300/week is €68K/year. A third of that is €22.5K
          But (in 2016) “New recruits to the force currently receive an annual salary of €23,171.”

          So why is your buddy after 12-15 years earning less than a new recruit?

          1. millie st murderlark

            I don’t know Cian. I am just going on what she told me last week when we were talking about how hard it is to save for a mortgage.

            Would you like me ask her for specifics? Or as my dear friend curmudgeon said, ask her for her payslip as proof?

          2. millie st murderlark

            Well that rules you out pet. Back to the playpen now and don’t hit the other kids.

          3. millie st murderlark

            Oh, well since you asked politely, I shall refrain from using razor blades.

    2. kellMA

      …..And i don’t begrudge them a penny of it. It is a hard job and not one I would have the cahoneys to do myself.

    3. Cian

      I was under the impression that the prison officers are better paid than the Gardaí – not mentioned in that article.
      And our TDs, Ministers, College Professors, Medical Consultants, and Judges are vying for the ‘best paid’ public servants.

  6. Anomanomanom

    Let it never be said Ireland is not loaded as a nation. If trump is on an official visit then let him visit Dublin. If its him deciding he’s visiting his golf club then let the Yanks pay for everything.

  7. Iwerzon

    Our Defense Forces are currently being wound down to make way for the justification of the introduction of an EU wide army. Mony sayin like.

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