58 thoughts on “De Saturday Papers

  1. B9Com From No

    The recent cricket game is a good metaphor
    Plucky Ireland put it up to a weak Maybot, drunk on the notion of world conquering power in the first innings
    But Britain wipes it’s balls, has a nice cup of tea and bowls a few googlies in the first over of the second innings. Sticky wicket for Leo but it’s all over now.

      1. B9Com From No

        tank you sorr

        I’ve learned the lessons of history dav
        Deep down these FG types are Tory blue aspirants to their underpants
        You know it

  2. Ron

    Is no one else concerned that at the most pivotal time of our countries history that we have the most inept incompetent team that was ever assembled to negotiate on our behalf. is no one else concerned by that? do you all just think your angry face emojis on Facebook are doing the trick? it’s why the Irish are the laughing stock of the world

    1. scottser

      You’ll probably find that people are laughing more at the state of the UK. except for maybe the Palestinians, or the Syrians or the Venezuelans. I don’t think they have much to laugh about.

  3. Charger Salmons

    For Irish people, weaned on a diet of anti-English propaganda from the establishment attack dogs at RTE and the Irish Times, who don’t understand how someone like Boris became Prime Minister I commend this article for consumption.
    Unlike the Donnybrook drones and Tara Street hacks it considers all aspects of his personality, good and bad, and places his arrival at the top job in a literary and historical context.
    You’ll either be fascinated or appalled.
    Which is how real journalism and not the confected and turgid indignation of Fintan O’Foole should work.
    https://quillette.com/2019/07/23/cometh-the-hour-cometh-the-man-a-profile-of-boris-johnson/

      1. Charger Salmons

        “O beware, my lord, of jealousy; it is the green-ey’d monster which doth mock the meat it feeds on.”

  4. Charger Salmons

    Talking of the Irish Times it’s lamentable that letters written by the public often do a far better job at capturing the real mood in Ireland than it’s highly-paid journalists.

    Sir, – What will a disastrous Brexit mean for the Irish economy? Will we still be a society where it is impossible to buy or rent a home or be housed, socially, even though you are both working? Will it mean having to outsource your parenthood to a business model based on profiteering while you both work? Will it still mean that you are fleeced by Irish insurance companies on behalf of Irish shareholders, ie your fellow “citizens”? Does it mean that you will continue to languish in public A&Es at the mercy of drug addicts and drunks while you expire listening to their ranting? Or perhaps the waiting list will accommodate you.

    Is that the “successful economy” we want to preserve at all costs?

    It is no use being fully employed if the rest of your life is empty. All we are short of is building favelas on the Dublin mountains. – Yours, etc,

    EUGENE TANNAM,

    Firhouse,

    Dublin 24.

  5. eoin

    The Guardian, 50% increase in reported rapes, but prosecutions fall from 15% to 1.5%.
    In Ireland, we’ve also had significant increases in reported rapes. I wonder what has happened to decisions to prosecute?

  6. eoin

    Anything good in this week’s issue of Private Eye about the editor of the Irish Daily Mail [Sebastian Hamilton who is seeking Irish citizenship even after his conviction for the crime of contempt of court at the criminal courts in Dublin earlier this month]?

    Oh yes!

    Private Eye says that the “workshy” Hamilton sent a memo to staff in the wake of his criminal conviction inviting those left after the 25% cull of staff earlier this year, to meet with him to discuss the matter, but not immediately as “I’m off today and tomorrow as my brother and his family are over visiting from Australia”. Workshy, indeed.

    If you’re unfamiliar with Sebastian Hamilton, you’ll catch him every fortnight or so on the Virgin Tonight show which is becoming Ireland’s premier reputation laundering service. For a less polished insight, you might consult the Charleton Tribunal report last October which concluded there was a strained relationship at the Mail between senior management and the truth and public duty.

  7. GiggidyGoo

    Leo and his soundbites eh?.
    “The Taoiseach that brought the border back to Ireland”. That’s the headline he and FG are afraid will be in the history books.

    1. eoin

      “But once you start talking about checks anywhere near the Border, people will start delving into that and all of a sudden we’ll be the Government that reintroduced a physical border on the island of Ireland”

      Simon Coveney to Shane Ross, 15 January 2019, inadvertently picked up on reporters microphone

      1. GiggidyGoo

        True. As long as their, and their owners pockets can be filled when it’s their turn to be in government, and lined well, they don’t give a monkeys.

  8. eoin

    “Sports stars, television presenters, actors and business leaders face having to pay the taxman a combined total of £500 million after HM Revenue & Customs won a High Court case yesterday over a tax avoidance scheme.
    Ingenious Media, a financing company that funded more than 60 films including Avatar and Brooklyn, was accused of persuading David Beckham, Guy Ritchie, Sacha Baron Cohen and others to put money into an investment scheme that used artificial losses to generate tax relief.”

    reports the London Times.

    I wonder will Revenue take a peek at s481 funding here?

    1. V

      TBF
      Using artificial losses is going to get you hammered anyway
      No matter the vehicle or the taxable subject
      Or the jurisdiction

      Good “nuff on them

        1. V

          Nah
          Revenue aren’t scared of anyone
          Or anything
          The most trustworthy, unbiased and functioning institution we have in the State
          As well as being innovative and years ahead of its International peers
          ie ROS CAB both implemented years ahead of other bigger jurisdictions

          My guess –
          They’re saving it for a special occasion
          Or are dealing with it on a case by case
          Taxable subject by taxable subject basis

          Revenue cogs might grind slow
          (in some regards)
          Nonetheless, they grind finely

          A bit of a whinge tho’
          This artists exemption is taking the p155 a bit
          A cook book and or an autobiography – ye know who ye are
          Are not works of creative merit

          Under the criteria for an Autobiography to be considered a work of Creative merit – then an Affidavit or a historical FK column would meet the same rule
          Even a textbook
          What are the chances

  9. eoin

    I wouldn’t have recognised Rosanna Davison on the front of the Sun, without the accompanying text.

    Good luck to her with the surrogacy.

    Also, the Indo is really slipping, this should have been their story.

    1. GiggidyGoo

      More mileage in King Kenny’s woes. He will have plebs living close to him shortly. Might even wake up to all-foil containers of half-eaten curries in his trees or gardens on a Sunday morning.

      1. eoin

        Ah, what’s Pat moaning about now. He refused the developer next door brief access to his grounds for a survey, so the developer got perrmission from the aviation authority for a drone survey.Pat says that the drone may have recorded the location of security cameras and vehicle registration numbers, and he’s gone to the guards. The big baby nimby (72).

        1. martco

          hmmmm. stall the ball a sec.

          i wouldn’t be a fan whatsoever BUT I think his approach is valid & nimby anything has nowt to do with it

          overflight of a neighbour’s property is a fairly misunderstood topic & this will make a very interesting case if it ends up in the courts.

          the aviation part is set out in SI563. Ireland is fairly liberal compared to other jurisdictions but there’s rules. assuming that developer either directly (or whomever they hired for the job) was licenced to operate in fact the only reason they’d have needed to seek permission at all in PK’s specific case is because, perchance, his gaff falls in an area designated as needing what’s known as a SOP (specific operating permission) from the IAA…it’s merely because Dalkey falls into a Dublin Airport flight path that the operator needed a permission…but that’s safety orientated operational permission we’re talking here (Air Traffic Control is the concerned party)

          useful map tool to check out:
          http://airspace.flyryte.ml/

          SO if say his gaff was out Bray direction or anywhere not marked as Class C airspace on that map, you, I or anyone could just fire ahead & overfly the gaff all day long within SI563…Gardai could only seek to stop you & confiscate the drone IF they can be convinced you are operating it in a reckless manner & breaking SI563. even worse still if the drone in question was a little one < 1KG e.g. a DJI SPARK (unlikely survey candidate but good enough for basic cam work) it's exempt!!

          if it was me in his shoes I'd minimum want to know if all that jazz checked out

          BUT the murky nub of this I suspect is the GDPR (assuming the drone is cammed up)
          the drone pilot should ensure they have the consent of any individuals whose personal data is captured, that they only record the personal data required to achieve the purposes intended and for which consent has been obtained….so (1) we know that clearly consent didn’t happen. also the operator responsible should employ a mechanism to ensure that any unintended capture of personal data is removed before processing occurs..(2) did that happen??? also if you’re a commercial operator you’re supposed to have that procedure stated in your ops manual, usage policy (3) do they and did they follow their ops????

          personal data = house numbers, car regs, peoples faces, security cams etc.

          SO it’s surely the GDPR angle PK is chasing after here & I would say he has a very solid case, given PK didn’t give the operator any explicit permission to handle or make use of his data I’d be after 1,2,3 above there, on advice, I would goto the High Court myself over it

        2. martco

          hmmmm. stall the ball a sec @eoin

          I wouldn’t be a PK fan whatsoever BUT I think his approach is fair enough & nimby anything has nowt to do with it….

          drone overflight of a neighbour’s property is a fairly misunderstood topic & this will make a very interesting case if it ends up in the courts

          the aviation part is set out in SI563. Ireland is fairly liberal compared to other jurisdictions. assuming that developer either directly (or whomever they hired for the job) was licenced to operate in fact the only reason they’d have needed to seek permission at all in PK’s specific case is because, perchance, his gaff falls in an area designated as needing what’s known as a SOP (specific operating permission) from the IAA…so it’s merely because Dalkey falls into a Dublin Airport flight path that the operator needed a permission…it’s only orientated operational permission we’re talking here (Air Traffic Control is the concerned party)

          useful map tool to check out:
          http://airspace.flyryte.ml/

          SO if say his gaff was out Bray direction or anywhere not marked as no-fly airspace on that map, you, I or anyone could just fire ahead & overfly the gaff all day long within SI563 rules without talking to anyone…Gardai could only seek to stop & confiscate the drone IF they can be convinced you are operating it in a reckless manner & breaking SI563. even worse still if the drone in question was a little one < 1KG e.g. a DJI SPARK (unlikely survey candidate but good enough for basic cam work) it's exempt from any interference!!

          but if it was me in his shoes I'd minimum want to know if all that jazz checked out

          BUT the murky nub of this I suspect is the GDPR (assuming the drone is cammed up)
          the drone pilot should ensure they have the consent of any individuals whose personal data is captured, that they only record the personal data required to achieve the purposes intended and for which consent has been obtained….so (1) we know that clearly consent didn’t happen. also the operator responsible should employ a mechanism to ensure that any unintended capture of personal data is removed before processing occurs..(2) did that happen??? also if you’re a commercial operator you’re supposed to have that procedure stated in your ops manual, usage policy (3) do they and did they follow their ops????

          personal data = house numbers, car regs, peoples faces, security cams etc.

          SO it’s surely the GDPR angle PK is chasing after here & I would say he has a very solid case, given PK didn’t give the operator any explicit permission to handle or make use of his data I’d be after 1,2,3 above there, on advice, I would goto the High Court myself over it

          1. eoin

            Kenny’s a big cry baby nimby. The developer couldn’t give two hoots about his personal data, he was trying to ensure there wouldn’t be environmental issues for neighbouring properties with the development of much-needed housing. If there is a GDPR issue, then it’s a matter for the Data Protection Commissioner, not the Gardai to whom Pat went running after he spotted the drone after he previously denied the courtesy request for a drone flight and now he wants the Gardai to waste their time investigating his hurt feelings.

          2. martco

            all I’m sayin’ @eoin is he’s right to pursue it. imho. and its natural enough to expect if it’s adversarial.

            if it was myself & I was aware that you were flying a camera equipped drone over & around my property without my permission I’d challenge you over the stuff you recorded & if you refused to divulge it I’d call the Guards on you. If I was lucky enough to live in Dalkey I’d also find out if you had permission to fly & if you didn’t I’d pursue you for that too

            re. “hurt feelings” & “courtesy request” to be clear: the person piloting that drone had to do more than make a “courtesy” request of PK…he/she had 1) IAA paperwork to do to make the flight 2) PK has every right to pursue the GDPR given the obvious situation that he refused access to his property.

            on the GDPR…do you not see the issue here? e.g. would you be happy enough to let some no-mark work away with the DJI + 4k Hasselblad over your gaff when, say, your kids might be out in the back garden playing in the inflatable pool you got them up in Lidl specials a few weeks back? or whatever other host of things that are possible? see what I mean?

          3. Steph Pinker

            martco: I’ve read your comments regarding PK, which seem fair enough to be arguable; however, what are your views on someone [illegally] using a drone to video property/ machinery/ livestock on private land ostensibly with the intention of invading/ stealing from said private land?

            The reality is, It’s rife in rural Ireland, to the point whereby electric gates and security cameras serve no purpose anymore when it comes to trying to keep undesirables out and protect property because these same individuals have the latest in drone technology to survey, and they also have the ability to disable cameras/ gates should they covet someone else’s property.

            GDPR isn’t just for the more well known members of society who can afford legal battles, it should apply equally to all. Actually, PK doesn’t realise how lucky he is if that’s his only complaint.

  10. eoin

    It’s champerty Jim, but not as we know it.

    The Indo reports today about Maria Bailey’s dodgy compo claim

    “Legal sources have said that – based on figures from recent cases provided by legal cost accountants – fees of between €11,000 and €11,500 are allowable in fully fought Circuit Court cases where damages of up to €60,000 are awarded.”

    And the Indo also gives a timeline of the sorry compo claim, concluding

    “July 25: The Cabinet meets in Donegal. Ms Madigan ignored journalists as she arrived.”

    1. V

      Wha’
      No wheelie bag lycra pants shoulders back pose for the boys ?!?!

      Humanity has being crossed

      Is there to be no end to this girl’s torment

      1. eoin

        Are you mixing up the two V? One of them is the chancer with at least two personal injury claims coming before the courts using the usual form of her maiden and married names, and who exaggerated the extent of her injuries in her most recent claim, withdrew the claim after she was found out and has been demoted by the party leader by being fired from the role of chair of a committee. She retains the Fine Gael whip as FG tries to maintain a straight face to claim it’s dealing with business-destroying insurance premiums.

        The other one was merely the facilitator of the dodgy compo claim, at least in the early stages of the claim and is now saying nuhin. I wonder did Josepha agree to a no-win, no-fee type of arrangement with Maria?

        1. V

          Opps
          Still in the leaba here

          I suppose ye’ll have the full suite of arrivals papped for the Sindo tomorrow

          I’m guessing Leo went the full Tommy Bahama
          Flip flops n’all

    1. Lilly

      I read that, and yes it was sad. A salutary lesson for dogged journalists I suppose – to tread carefully when not sure if tall tales motivated by self-advancement or by mental fragility. Would they have pursued the crooked head of a bank with such determination, one wonders.

      1. eoin

        “Even though we held back the story, it was soon doing the rounds in Dublin. The website of Russian propaganda broadcaster RT had run a piece and TCD student publications had gotten hold of the story. “ Yeah, right, Derek Scally. Did the Irish Times hold it back out of concern for Sophie Hingst’s feelings or because there were legal issues, with Sophie intimating a legal response to the claims she fabricated Nazi Holocaust relatives?

        And RT is a “Russian propaganda broadcaster” declares the Irish Times? Fair enough, it probably is, but it does a decent job of offering valid contrarian angles on many issues. And given RTE slavishly follows a pro-Washington line to its reporting, giving a platform to issues prioritised by the USA and adopting a pro-USA stance in conflicts involving the USA, is RTE a “USA propaganda broadcaster”. And of course, who could argue with the proposition Irish Times/MyHome.ie is a “homes and property propaganda paper”?

  11. some old quare

    Europa Belfast is charging €500 for one night @ Belfast Pride? I could have a bomb terrorist for that sort of cash- or six Derry rent boys- same thing these days.

    Definitely same hotel.

    Seriously?

    1. some old quare

      No accurate timed edit function so.

      Broadshee.ie- would you like please state which platform you pay to publish this website on?

      Genuine- just say it.

      1. millie st murderlark

        Soq, what is the issue you have with the platform? Why not just state it plainly? Because I don’t get your issue with it other than it doesn’t update quickly enough??

        1. some old quare

          That is exactly it- comments not appearing for between 5 minutes and two hours- not just from app.

          Now if the problem was web coding then it would be consistent but this is random which means the underlying refresh processes are being ran at times which suits the platform host. First thing in the morning for example- and it is definitely not browser related.

          Even M$ are playing this game on Azure. Either that or certain commentators on Broadsheet get prioritised- which I doubt.

          1. V

            None of that relates to the content of your posts Same’Oh

            Your snakey and snide jibes
            Your vulgar name calling
            Your false insinuations
            Your porno links
            And your spiteful doxing

            And here you are again whinging
            Get a life
            And in the meantime
            If you’re not satisfied with the set up on Broadsheet
            Nobody is stopping you going

          2. some old quare

            Maybe you know someone I know Vanessa but to my knowledge, I have never met you. Quite happy to do daytime coffee or

            later double digit gins then box the ears of each other?

            Unless we somehow get to know each other in which case just have a bit of craic and then arrange to meet up again.

            I’m thinking no.2- you?

          3. V

            Don’t go all crybaby now Same’Oh
            I still have the screenshots of you doxing myself
            And they’re over a year old
            And a few others

            And I saw what you posted here last night

            Not to mention some of the filthy names and expressions you have pasted here onto me
            Likewise with some of your encounters with men
            Who I’m sure thought they were entitled to some privacy

            What I don’t know yet is who teed you up to come after me
            Either the KillFrill cabal or the crowd you’re running like a rat out’ve a burning shed to get away from

            Instead of cribbing about the Broadsheet infrastructure
            How about you thank them for deleting your worst moments aka your true self
            And for not Deplatforming you altogether

          4. some old quare

            My reason for raising the platform issue is that I recently spent a year battling with similar- and the usual response is to upgrade the subscription- meaning more money- its a game the hosts play. If there is a problem, which IMO there is, then it is good faith that I raise it and I expect Broadsheet want to know.

            What I don’t know yet is who teed you up to come after me

            I have no idea what this means- I couldn’t care less about this frlll character- apart from the fact you were forced to admit that it was you. As for running away from ‘the crowd’- that really is news to me, whoever ‘the crowd’ is.

            I made an offer to meet you in person and have a craic because not hiding behind a keyboard is the real me. I’ll mail John directly and if he wants me to stop posting here then that is fine- no big deal.

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