54 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

  1. Clampers Outside

    Baldies… don’t worry.

    That study has been rubbished for not controlling the sample for age.

    1. Brother Barnabas

      not sure why, clamps, but always imagined you as having a bounteous thatch atop your noggin. no?

      1. Clampers Outside

        Aye, I do… And with lockdown I now have a fop for the first time in my life… I could be a member of Flock of Seagulls :)

      2. Clampers Outside

        Apparently I’ve a bit of a mullet according to her good self, and she wants to cut it.
        Has asked to cut it a few times now. More of a cow’s lick I’d say.

        I gave the OK to have a go this eve. Sharpest scissors we have is an Aldi craft scissors, hardly used….
        I’m sure it’ll be grand…
        *crosses fingers*

    2. Cú Chulainn

      In all fairness, I don’t think there’s much panic.. it was printed in the Star after all..

      1. Steph Pinker

        While grass may not grow on a busy street, it seems it’s still good for protection of some sort…

        1. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

          grass doesn’t grow on a busy street and yet you’ll never see a baldy headed donkey

  2. f_lawless

    Article about South African citizen, Reyno de Beer, who took the SA government to court over its lockdown measures and won the case: I’m not sure of which specific regulations were challenged but it’s interesting to contrast the story with the recent case in Ireland – De Beer is portrayed here as a champion of human rights; a “proverbial David taking on Goliath”. G.O’D & Waters, of course, didn’t fair too well and have been largely ridiculed as fringe attention-seekers. I get the impression this has stifled open discourse on the merits of the lockdown measures among much of the Irish public (and journalists?) for fear of being perceived to be in support of the pair and their followers.

    https://www.iol.co.za/pretoria-news/meet-the-man-who-took-on-the-state-over-covid-19-regulations-and-won-48954751

    ‘ Pretoria – The man behind the court victory which has the entire country talking, is an ordinary citizen who felt it was his civic duty to take on the mighty government single-handedly. ..

    ..He was the first applicant in the application to have the Covid-19 regulations declared unconstitutional. And he is immensely proud, but humble, that he won his case…

    ..Asked why he decided to take the issues which were on everyone’s minds, but which no one dared to legally challenge, De Beer said: “We were treated like children. My mother taught me since I was small to be hygienic and to wash my hands. It is up to us to fight the spread of this virus, not up to the government to tell us what to do.”

    De Beer said he and his organisation had been fighting for years for the human rights of people, especially those who are mistreated at the hands of their landlords and thrown out on the streets, for no fault of theirs.

    “We decided to take on this fight after thousands of tenants were embroiled in disputes with their landlords, especially during the difficult economic times brought by the lockdown regulations.

    “We turned to the government for help and even to the police, but there was no help. We decided enough is enough and we will fight these regulations in court.”

    “I am a bit overwhelmed at what we achieved, but I believed in our case… The AU and the UN are now aware that the lockdown regulations were declared unconstitutional due to the infringement of our human rights.” ‘

  3. DOC

    That Trump is some Tulip
    Just when you think he cannot do or say anything more ridiculous he surprises you
    And knowing the Americans……
    They will re-elect him November 3rd

    1. Birdie

      That was so shocking. I’d say a lot of folks with hold their nose and vote Biden. The key for the Democrats is who they select as Vice President… ideally someone with a lot more sharpness then doddering Joe.

      1. Tommy

        I suppose they will or will they?
        Seems someone is stirring the pot
        Bernie is needed
        If only he Re enters as an independent

        All I know is this could start a second wave of covid via marches

  4. Birdie

    I read that the playgrounds in Dublin won’t open as they need to be supervised. The mind boggles that the government can make this blanket announcement without talking to the councils first.

    Dashing young children’s hopes is just cruel.

  5. SOQ

    Interesting piece on Derek Chauvin, the Minneapolis police officer who killed George Floyd. Whatever the motive, I just find it hard to believe that someone who worked in a Latino dance club for seventeen years and was married to an Asian woman, was a racist to the point of murdering someone. One of the other police officers charged is his brother in law of course.

    Now you can say well that doesn’t matter, that it is still police brutality, which is a fair point but- given the way in which it has sparked race protests across the country and globe, clarification of intent is quite important.

    Derek Chauvin: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

    https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/derek-chauvin/

    1. SOQ

      OK apologies my mistake- none of other police officers charged are Chauvin’s brother in law.

      1. bisted

        …maybe the police officer just didn’t like black people…I mean, irrational yes…but I’ve heard of people who are racist towards Arabs in general and muslims in particular but speak with affection of other ethnicities…

      1. SOQ

        Yes especially the black lives which have since been lost because of this incident and the black lives ruined because their neighborhoods are now in ashes.

        Aren’t you even a little bit curious as to what the full circumstances were?

        1. SOQ

          I really should re-read what I type before post LOL

          Yes especially the black lives which have been lost because of this incident and the black lives ruined because their neighborhoods are now in ashes.

          1. Clampers Outside

            Like Nigel telling trans persons they are wrong, I’m sure he’s certainly capable of, if not quite likely to, tell that woman and the many like her, that they are wrong…

          2. Nigel

            So, does that mean you are telling all the other black people – who I’m sure are incredibly sympathetic to everyone who’s gotten hurt and lost property because of the unrest – that THEY’RE wrong? Just like you’re telling all the trans people who disagree with you that they’re wrong? It’s very bloody weird, your approach to these matters, almost as if you’re not so much interested in the issues as catching ME out in disagreeing with black people or trans people you hold up as examples agreeing with you, because I find myself more in agreement with other black people and other trans people…

          3. Clampers Outside

            With regard to the trans issue Nigel, the campaigning by TRAs is wrong, and proven so. And demonstably so by the reversal of many schools in the UK in teaching their ideology; demonstrably so by the changes in NHS advice with regard to puberty blockers; and let’s not forget, demonstrably wrong when looking at basic biology in claiming a woman has a penis; as well as demonstrably wrong that self id would not lead to women and girls coming under threat through the many examples of there having been threats and assaults…. I could go on.

            With regard to BLM myself, I am referring to a specific case. With regard to the woman in the video, I am referring to your past record.

          4. Nigel

            With respect to trans issues you’re a raving little hate-muppet.

            With respect to BLM – does one black person with a different opinion invalidate all the other black people’s opinions? Is that how you think it works? Do you have any idea how deeply weird you’re being?

          5. Clampers Outside

            There’s no hate in anything I’ve said on trans issues and it has all been said before by trans persons who are sick of the TRA hate.

          6. Clampers Outside

            With respect, I didn’t say what you’ve said I did. So I’ll simply ignore that type commentary from you. Please re-read what I did say.

          7. Nigel

            Well I don’t ‘tell black people they’re wrong’ but you said I do, so clealry you tend to ignore what i actually say most of the time anyway.

          8. Clampers Outside

            More intentional misreading… such a tedious tactic of yours Nigel.

            Please re-read what I wrote. Here it is again, “capabale of” saying such, when considering your past form.

          9. Nigel

            Meh. Close enough. You clearly don’t want to talk about the subject. Just say so.

        2. Nigel

          The full circumstances? Have you found anything that extenuates a policeman kneeling on the neck of a man for nine minutes until he dies, in full public view? You seem to be absolutely certain that something out there will turn this against Black Lives Matter, like the killer working at a Latino club somehow disproving institutional racism and lack of accountability in the US police.

          1. SOQ

            Nobody is questioning the video event Nigel but some are questioning the intent meaning- was it racially motivated?

            Now if it is the case that two knew each other, which is looking increasingly likely, then is not reasonable to check if there was at least some sort of personal motivation?

            All of this will be trashed out in court I expect and if it turns out that the motive was personal- who is going to be on bended knee to those who subsequently lost their lives and livelihoods?

            They were both also registered as professional actors with IMDB btw- which is interesting.

          2. Nigel

            Kinda missing the wood for the trees, there. This is what black people put up with ALL THE TIME. Must be so exhausting.

          3. Clampers Outside

            All the time is in caps. Well, it must be true then.
            Despite the black people who disagree.

          4. class wario

            They are really not worth engaging with. The sole line of argument at the moment seems to be ‘here is a member of minority group who agrees with me ergo their opinion is correct to the exclusion of all others!’. They’ll be posting c*ndace owens next.

            Actually no sorry, soq also has a host of arguments from the conspiracy parts of 4chan about crisis actors and bill gates

          5. SOQ

            If you want to fight a class war wario then at least get on your kneee and apologise for being from the wrong one?

          6. Nigel

            I find the black people who say so more persuasive, Clamps. I realise that’s difficult for you to understand, but I can’t help that.

          7. Clampers Outside

            I can, that’s fair enough. I can also believe those who recognise the issue but say otherwise when it is claimed by BLM to be systemic.

    1. SOQ

      OK well Listrade is arguing for representation which is fine but at what point does it swing into identity politics? We all view the world through our own windows and mine is of being a gay man. The difference between that and say race is that I can for the most part choose when I wish to divulge that information- if ever.

      In a new workplace I tend not to disclose until it comes to the point where I have to lie about it answering a ‘so what did you get up to at the weekend’ type question. I do not believe that you must come out as it has absolutely nothing to do with how well you do your job.

      So when I do let people know I am gay there is usually three responses. Those who take a step back, those who shrug their shoulders and those who make a big deal out of it, albeit in a well-intentioned way.

      The first group tend to be those who actually don’t know anyone who is gay and have a head full of preconceptions. Occasionally someone has religious views (especially up north) and that is fine as long as it not going to prevent or hinder me from doing getting on with my work. Strangely enough I am quite comfortable with this group because I come from a generation when anti gay sentiments in the workplace was acceptable.

      The second- the shoulder strugglers- who probably know more gays than me and if there is a reaction which is either have you been to that club or pub, followed by a I’d love to go which is will you take me sort of thing or- my cousin/brother/ mate is gay and you’d really like him which I call ‘the matchmaker’.

      But the group which actually bugs me is the third- the OTT OMG we have a GAY- look at us sorts. I would be not surprised if someday I mention the subject only to find a cake with candles on the desk when I come back from the loo.

      These people are doing exactly what I REALLY don’t want which is to make a big deal out of something which has absolutely relevance to my work. I don’t want your support or you encouragement or your understanding- I just want you to make commitments to my project- and friggen keep them.

      That may be different to what the media are now calling institutionalised racism but- I doubt it.

      1. italia'90

        Way to miss the point of Listrade’s tweets

        You seem to want to make every cultural post about you!
        P F right Off
        Is there a Broadsheet reader in the world that doesn’t know you’re gay?

        The only way to make the scutter you, Nigel & Clampers less irritating is to read your comments
        in the following voices:

        Nigel as Whoopi Goldberg

        Clampers as Megan McCain

        and you as Travis Maldanado

          1. V'ness

            I think you need to start looking at the world and everyone in it without wondering about their sexuality

            Its really not the big deal, especially in the workplace, with work colleagues, than it clearly is for you

            Just saying

  6. Johnny

    5 years from solicitor making legal application -FIVE YEARS for an Irish dreamer!

    “Adrienne* had applied for citizenship through naturalisation five years ago through a solicitor in 2014. Her application was put on hold as she didn’t possess a valid passport from her country of origin, Rwanda.
    But Adrienne had arrived here when she was just a little girl over 20 years ago – Ireland is the only home she’s ever known. Following her first citizenship application, she spent over three years contacting every Rwandan embassy in Europe, with help from the team at the Immigrant Council, but sadly to no avail.
    When all those attempts failed, she tried a different avenue and eventually acquired a Ugandan passport by descent, through her grandmother. But even after providing her Ugandan passport, it was a further eight months until a decision was made on her case – and only following a strongly worded letter from the Immigrant Council.
    You can imagine the team’s joy when Adrienne finally found out she was approved. She was awarded citizenship at a ceremony in Waterford in spring 2019.”

    https://immigrantcouncil.ie/sites/default/files/2020-06/ICI%202019%20Impact%20Report_FINAL.pdf

    The Immigrant Council of Ireland launched its Impact Report 2019 link above.

  7. Johnny

    OOAH!
    …Members of the National Guard arrive on the ellipse near the White House ahead of today’s Black Lives Matter protest…
    https://twitter.com/dougmillsnyt/status/1269272673420484610?s=20

    I play in a soccer league in Chelsea,NY one the guys is in National Guard,nice guy.

    He works now for Goggle and credits the US Army’s ROTC (sign up we pay college) program, with completely changing his life-the residents of DC do not want weekend warriors from other states policing them.

    They are not carrying arms which is good sign-this could go badly, with over 250,000 in middle of a pandemic on their way to the peoples house to peacefully protest.

    Reminds me so much what the Brits did in Belfast to the peaceful protestors who just wanted civil rights and an end to discrimination,instead they got the baton and a bullet…..

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