I’m With The Banned

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Firm but fair?

Or breaking a butterfly on a wheel?

Only YOU can decide.

Meanwhile, the tweet may be referring to  report on August 26 from the US Centres for Disease Control (CDC) which stated only six per cent of people who died from COVID-19 did not have any other listed cause of death.

The New York Times reported:

The CDC data table is based on an analysis of death certificates that mention COVID-19 as a cause. For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned, the CDC notes.

The other 94% list COVID-19 and other conditions together. Among those deaths, there were, on average, 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death, the public health agency said.

…A death isn’t excluded from the COVID-19 tally just because the person was obese or had diabetes or dementia. Someone with heart problems can still be killed by COVID-19, and the death certificate could mention both as contributing.

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64 thoughts on “I’m With The Banned

      1. M

        What a nuanced observation.

        Thank you for that Daisy.

        In the meantime, all hail our new Overlord…

        Fiona… [ah, let me find it here] Marie [something F I think]… Flanagan.

        That’s it.

        #fmf

        #not

        1. M

          Inigo: What is that you’re ripping?
          Vizzini: It’s fabric from the uniform of an Army officer of Guilder.
          Fezzik: Who’s Guilder?
          Vizzini: The country across the sea. The sworn enemy of Florin. [slaps the horse’s rump] Go! Once the horse reaches the castle, the fabric will make the Prince suspect the Guilderians have abducted his love. When he finds her body dead on the Guilder frontier, his suspicions will be totally confirmed.

      2. Eoin

        …even if he turns out to be correct? Try Googling ‘Conspiracy theories that turned out to be true’ before you give advice on who people should be listening to. Have you got a monopoly on facts and truth or something?

    1. Q Celt

      As has been widely stated by scientists since the start the people with underlying conditions are the most at risk. So in many cases the affect of Covid is to make chronic conditions acute, like asthma. Not similar virus, but HIV does not kill anyone, but is not a life positive condition without appropriate intervention

        1. SOQ

          Many people die with HIV but none die from HIV.

          Why would someone get suspended from Twitter for saying something which was actually published on the CDC website?

          1. jeremy kyle

            I suppose he’s trying to infer that the other 96% had nothing to do with Covid. But, for what it’s worth I dont see the point in banning him – doubly pointless since other people can just share screenshots of the tweet.

          2. SOQ

            It’s on the CDC website and that particular slant has been flying around Twitter for most of a week- so why him and not them?

  1. Gaz

    He’s spreading dangerous and false information and has been doing so for years, so happy to see him punished for it.

  2. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

    He can’t post on a free platform for a week. He hasn’t been thrown in jail.
    Crazy kid.

  3. fleadh

    The thing is, nobody of any credibility in the scientific community said that healthy people would die in there hundreds of thousands. It was always those with underlying conditions most at risk. There is also the fact that Corr and others treat this 6% as if the 94% don’t matter. What covid exacerbates is any number of underlying conditions and in many cases has led to people unlikely to die, dying. They may well have an underlying condition but many wouldn’t be dead but for contracting covid. I bet if you delved into the data behind flu deaths, hardly anyone actually dies from flu. Most, I’d say, die from complications arising from flu. You don’t hear people contradicting the 200 – 500 flu deaths in Ireland every year by saying: sure only 50 people actually died from flu, did you know that? It was always about flattening the curve to not overwhelm health care systems. How we manage from now on in is a different story though. The horse has bolted for anyone who thinks we can eliminate the virus through lockdowns.

    1. Micko

      +1

      People bringing up this 6% thing like it’s some revelation is rediculous.

      Of course tons of those people wouldn’t have died unless they contracted Covid. A huge amount had preexisting conditions they could have lived for years with.

      I’m anti-lockdown and restrictions, but bad rubbish “science” like this just hurts rational arguments against lockdown etc.

      And the thing is – they know too. Jim Corr knows this is rubbish, but he still peddles it as a shocker!

      1. f_lawless

        https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0828/1161895-excess-mortality-figures/

        Interesting with regards to Ireland: RTE article suggests that, based on current excess death figures, half of the official death Covid death toll seen during March-July “could have been likely to pass away from other causes during that period but that Covid-19 hastened their passing”


        ‘According to the report, Covid-19 resulted in between 850 and 900 more deaths occurring in Ireland in the five months from the start of March and the end of July than would have occurred in the absence of the pandemic…

        It is also notable that this latest excess mortality estimate of between 850 and 900 deaths is substantially lower than the official total of 1,763 Covid-19 related deaths reported in Ireland by the end of the July.

        This may suggest that up to half of those whose deaths were either “confirmed, probably or possibly” caused by Covid-19 during the first five months of the pandemic could have been likely to pass away from other causes during that period but that Covid-19 hastened their passing.”

        1. SOQ

          But Jan – May overall fatalities are DOWN on the previous four years? Was there a spike in Covid deaths for June and July? It would need to have been a very big one.

          1. f_lawless

            https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-mpds/measuringmortalityusingpublicdatasources/

            What source are you basing that on? If you scroll about half way down this page, under the “Measuring Excess Mortality” header there’s a line graph plotting the overall mortality figures during each October-June period from 2005-06 up to 2019-20 . 2017-18 and 2018-19 aren’t listed for whatever reason.

            While there’s no info on the Jan-May periods for 2018 and 2019, the mortality figures for 2016 and 2017,(Jan-May) don’t seem to be higher than those of 2020 – based on that graph at least

          2. Cian

            January and February had low deaths (compared to their usual winter months rates).
            April had unusually high deaths for April.

          3. SOQ

            Yours are from the Central Statistics Office (CSO) while mine appear to come from the General Registers Office (GRO).

            The central repository for records relating to births, stillbirths, adoptions, marriages, civil partnerships and deaths in Ireland (GRO) should be more accurate?

            If not then we are in real trouble.

            2015 = 13753
            2016 = 13811
            2017 = 14382
            2019 = 13264
            2020 = 13499

            I am also wrong- higher than two but lower than three.

            Either way, where is this friggen pandemic?

          4. SOQ

            Omitted the most important

            2018 = 14382.

            Where was the hysteria then? Manufactured fear can produce such compliance.

          5. f_lawless

            Oh I agree. They chose to inflict Project Fear upon us the whole way through. Daily death counts for months on end. Now the same thing but with new cases. On top of that, threats of fines, jail and further lockdowns if we’re deemed to be disobedient citizens. Still severely restricted from going to the places we enjoy most and the freedom to meet all the people we want, when we want. Feels like being trapped in an abusive relationship with a psychotic control freak.

            I might have to start a course in Swedish language lessons at this rate.

          6. SOQ

            Sorry F- messed up stats there.

            All-Cause Mortality Ireland: Jan-May

            Official figures provided by General Registers Office- 31 Jul 2020

            2015 = 13753
            2016 = 13811
            2017 = 13485
            2018 = 14382
            2019 = 13264
            2020 = 13499

  4. Micko

    Stop looking to America – it’s a mess! That 6% stuff is just a distraction. Of course more than 6% have died from it. They have an obesity rate of 40% FFS!!!! Hypertension, diabeties out the wazooo.

    In Ireland – only 110 people under aged 65 have died. That’s 0.002% of a population of nearly 5 million.

    We cannot have a ‘covid free island’. We share a border with the UK for christ’s sake. If New Zealand can’t do it – what hope do we have.

          1. Pat Mustard

            Lols, you literally just did pay attention to a comment I made.

            Like I said before , the joke is on you.

          2. AKA Frilly Keane

            My dear
            There is no paying attention to a post that’s less that 10 words
            That’s not even a scroll full

            I paid attention to your replies tho’

            But I’m delighted I’ve made you happy
            My good deed for the day

  5. Ian-O

    Why discuss this guy? He was in a band that was popular decades ago. A terribly middle of the road band at that.

    Now, this drummer regurgitates other people theories and gets this level of attention?

    Just can’t fathom it.

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