Via People Before Profit

When we get vaccinated we are protecting ourselves, but we are also protecting the vulnerable around us, slowing transmission of disease and driving it out of the population.

Vaccination is all about solidarity.

…A large amount of the blame for the growth of “anti-vaxx” and dangerous anti-scientific beliefs about Covid-19 rests with the phamra giants and the Capitalist system.

…But, we must defend science and its immense liberatory, life-saving potential. Vaccines are safe and save lives.

…Vaccinate as an act of solidarity with others. Fight for science and medicine for the many!

Well, since you put it that way.

*scarpers*

Vaccination is Solidarity (People Before Profit)

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51 thoughts on “For The Many

  1. Jonickal

    “A large amount of the blame for the growth of “anti-vaxx” and dangerous anti-scientific beliefs about Covid-19 rests with the phamra giants and the Capitalist system.”

    Does it?

    Because by the way the anti-vaxx crowd go on, they blame the the pharma giants and capitalists too. I think both sides are probably wrong. *puts tin foil mask back on*

    1. george

      They may be suggesting that people’s, in their view legitimate, distrust of capitalists and big pharma contributes to anti-vax support but that we mustn’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      Big Homeo makes more out of morons who’ve been brainwashed to think essential oils and magnesium are a cureall. Sugar pills and diluted water kachingggg!!

  2. SOQ

    A fast tracked vaccine which is to skip what is usually regarded as important trails, using a technology never employed before- and people are being selfish for saying ‘no thanks’?

    At this point we don’t even know how many people are naturally immune to Sars-Cov-2, how many have already been infected therefore have T-Cells nor even if it is ever going to rear its head again and yet- ‘People Before Profit’ are putting ‘Profit Before People’.

    1. paddy apathy

      You’re jumping the gun now aren’t you. There’s no vaccine for covid-19 yet. Stall the drama.

        1. millie madonna

          The flu vaccine? Something which, if there was a larger uptake of, could make a big difference to the annual winter trolley shortage. If it helps to clear up space in the hospitals in anticipation of the covid 19 second wave which is expected with the colder weather, all well and good; if there is no second wave, well then we have managed to maybe avoid the usual bedlam seen every winter in our hospitals, which could only be a positive, considering how bad the numbers have been in recent years.

          1. SOQ

            They don’t specify Millie- they are promoting the concept of vaccines as a ‘good citizen’ thing which in my mind is disingenuous.

            They do not differentiate between the shots- some are very safe and well tested, others are not and the number is increasing every year.

            At the very least a parent should get the leaflets in advance and read them thoroughly because the manufacturers are indemnified for good reason.

    2. f_lawless

      I had a click on that Facebook link hoping to see some semblance of informed or nuanced commentary. Quite the eyeopener. These guys seem to be lost at sea and consumed by project fear. Isn’t it the job of a socialist-leaning left-wing opposition partiy to probe, question and hold up to scrutiny the policies and narratives set out by our centre-right government? Instead they label all those that do so as “far-right, conspiracy theorists” and criticise the government policies for not being extreme enough!

      This from PBP yesterday:
      “Unfortunately, the failure of the government to implement the policies required to properly crush the virus, is now putting our heroic health workers at risk.”

      The “Zero Covid”approach has already been exposed as the misguided failure in intellectual thinking it always was. Trying to achieve that idealistic goal just sets us further down a path towards a paranoid totalitarian-like dystopia.

      I’ve voted for RB-B more than once in the past. Not too sure I’ll be doing that in the future!

      1. Nigel

        ‘consumed by project fear’
        ‘Trying to achieve that idealistic goal just sets us further down a path towards a paranoid totalitarian-like dystopia.’

        1. f_lawless

          I don’t know, how would you describe the great suffering endured by so many Irish citizens over the past 6 months or so? We’ve seen our civil liberties severely restricted by government decree and in turn, many lives and livelihoods have been devastated This is the current reality.

          It doesn’t take much stretch of the imagination to see that living under an ongoing threat of further government-imposed lockdowns (and even more severe than before) in a vain bid to attain a “Zero Covid Island”, would cause more severe suffering and devastation.

          1. Nigel

            I call it a public health emergency, and an effort to balance suffering from emergency measures against the risks posed by a pandemic.

          1. f_lawless

            I don’t whether they explicitly did or not but using language such as

            “the failure of the government to implement the policies required to properly crush the virus..”

            after we’ve already observed an extended period with deaths at zero/near zero and hospitalisations in the low tens, is essentially an endorsement of the Zero Covid approach, I would say

      2. SOQ

        I am scratching my head as to what is really left and what is really right on a regular basis these days .

        When you have the likes of PBP using the ‘for the greater good’ slogan it is quite obvious they are going down the mandatory road- and yet, no mention of the profits to be made by these pharmaceutical companies or even questions as to why they require indemnities.

        As you said, it used to be left who were anti-establishment but now they appear to be in lock step with it. ‘For the greater good’ is just one step from ‘for your own good’ and we all know what that led to.

        1. Nigel

          ‘How can you possibly be left and take a vaccine that will protect you from a highly virulent disease when a pharma company will profit from it’ is a heckuva take.

          (Weird also that so much of the opposition to these tremednous profits is coming from the capitalist/establishment right, when you look at it in those terms at any rate.)

    3. george

      It doesn’t say anything about a fast-tracked vaccine. I’ve heard no suggestion that European standards would be waived to allow a vaccine. I’ve only heard that talk from Trump.

      1. f_lawless

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability/astrazeneca-to-be-exempt-from-coronavirus-vaccine-liability-claims-in-most-countries-idUSKCN24V2EN

        ‘AstraZeneca has been granted protection from future product liability claims related to its COVID-19 vaccine hopeful by most of the countries with which it has struck supply agreements, a senior executive told Reuters…

        “This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in … four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

        “In the contracts we have in place, we are asking for indemnification. For most countries it is acceptable to take that risk on their shoulders because it is in their national interest,”..

        ..AstraZeneca, Britain’s second-largest drugmaker, has pledged to supply a total of more than 2 billion doses at no profit in agreements with the United States, Britain and European countries, among other nations and organisations.’

        1. Nigel

          Ah. Trump AND Johnson. No surprises there. Don’t take any vaccines that haven’t been adequately tested because governments that screwed up their initial pandemic response are trying to get their approval numbers back up.

          (Actually, the article is very vague about the supposed indemnification, in the EU, at any rate.)

          1. f_lawless

            I ‘m not sure what you mean exactly. The EU is in direct negotiations with AstraZeneca.

            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/eu-agrees-first-covid-19-vaccine-deal-with-astrazeneca-in-who-blow-idUSKCN25A1A7

            “The European Union has agreed to buy at least 300 million doses of AstraZeneca’s potential COVID-19 vaccine in its first such advance purchase deal”

            I can appreciate that in principle certain aspects of bringing a vaccine to market could perhaps be fast-tracked without necessarily compromising testing procedures, but at the same time, testing protocols for vaccines normally take several years – can the procedure really be safely reduced down to less than a year or so? I’m not convinced at this point.

          2. Nigel

            The article said that indemnity reamined an item of contention in the EU. Yes, the dangers of coroporations indemnified against corner-cutting is a a very real and dangerous issue.

  3. White Dove

    While not necessarily anti-vax, I’d worry about anyone who decided vaccines were safe simply because People Before Profit said they were with an exclamation mark at the end of the sentence. The whole thing looks like it was written with the deliberate intent of looking sinister.

  4. Kingfisher

    Surely the anti-vaxxers are part of a confused tangle of thinking that hates
    * vaccinations
    * foreign people (this is a local country for local people, there’s nothing for you here)
    * fluoridated water
    * any medicine to make what ails you better – believe in yourself and your asthma, TB, polio, diabetes, etc will go away
    * cyclists
    * any of that nonsense about pollution and climate change
    * the government (whichever it may be)
    * the Irish language
    * people on the dole
    * anyone who rents a house from the local council
    * people whose skin is a different shade of beige/tan/brown than theirs
    * sheeple
    * those who would wish to prise their opinions from their cold, dead minds…

  5. Vanessanelle

    So who exactly works for “The Man” now

    (⊙_⊙)?

    Seriously, you couldn’t make this …t up

    if ye think FF are going to face a wipe out

    watch what happens to our scraggles in the leftist ish seats

  6. Micko

    Yeah..

    I’m no anti-vaxxer, in fact I think they are up there with some of the most important inventions we’ve ever made.

    But, no thanks to a rushed through vaccine for a disease that’s IFR is dropping every day.

    Actually, here’s a great link to show any anti-vax friends you might have.

    Ireland’s deaths 1916 vs 2014

    Scroll down to ‘Cause of Death’ to see how effective vaccines realy are: Measles, Scarlet fever, Diptheria and Whooping cough – all wiped out.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-1916/1916irl/bmd/deaths/

    1. Vanessanelle

      Same here
      I’m far from being an Anti Vaxher

      but its not just the rushed roll out that has me on high alert
      its all the vested interests
      combined into 000,000,000s and 000,000,000s

      and I don’t trust an inch of that motive
      and I’ll remind Broadsheet Readers again of what the Bould Dr M said
      “explicit influence”

      its undeniable

      1. Nigel

        Not even the most ardent pro-vaccination evangelist will want anyone to take a vaccination that has skipped any safety trials. They will, in fact, roar the loudest about it.

  7. Just Sayin

    Jesus wept,
    I thought for a second that one of the parties was challenging the lack of science in covid policy.

    But do they attack lockdowns or masks? No.

    It’s great that they denounce the anti-vaxxers and support vaccination.

    Vaccinating young / healthy people against the likes of Measels, Mumps, Rubella, HPV makes sense and protects all of us.

    However we do know that for a very small proportion of people taking a vacine may develop potentially damaging side effects.

    It’s a risk you have to evaluate if you vaccinate your kids.

    The anti-vaxxers say no, but their kids are protected if the rest of us do vaccinate enough to give sufficient community immunity.

    However at this moment in time vaccination doesn’t just mean regular vaccination of the young, it means the eagerly awaited covid-19 vaccine, that the WHO and others will do their best to force upon us all.

    Before considering the covid-19 vaccine, lets think about the regular influenza vaccine.
    Typically it’s given to elderly / vulnerable people to protect them from the oncoming flu season.

    But does it work?

    There are two problems, first for a vaccine to work it needs to get a strong reaction from your immune system so that it can build a stock of T-cells or antibodies in advance of contacting the actual virus.

    The problem with old people and the reason they need vaccinating in the first place is that they have a poor immune system. Immune functions decrease with age. It is hard to get a strong reaction from a weak immune system, and hence difficult to build resistance.

    The second problem is that we never know which strains of flu will appear any season. Big Pharma tell us they can predict (guess) and that most years we have a mild flu season if they have predicted right.

    If they guess wrong, then we get a bad flu season.

    My theory is that the flu vaccine does feck all and that the severity of flu seasons just fluctuates anyway.

    In the US the percentage of old people vaccinated has risen from 10% in to 1960s to 60% today, but there has been no improvement in outcomes (even when taking increasing age profiles into accound)

    In my opinion the flu vaccine has little benefit beyond placebo reassurance and some cash for pharma companies.

    An annual compulsory for all covid-19 vaccine and/or regular pcr covid testing would be a goldmine for pharma.

    Obviously I’m skeptical of any rushed vaccine, particulary as the last time they did that ‘swine flu’, the vaccine did cause serious damage.

    Like covid the swine flu was a totally over-rated epidemic and like now the actual epidemic was followed by months of hyped up pcr testing to create demand/fear for the vaccine.

    Shame on PBP, they simply prove they are as dim witted as the rest of them.
    With the possible exception of Michael McNamara who is starting to question the accepted narrative.

      1. SOQ

        Why? Because it is not a left right issue. Were the black, Asian and gay people at that last rally right wing? And don’t tell me there wen’t gay people there because I know of several and spotted more.

        Also, if Mr Murphy is so concerned about community transmission and those with underlying conditions- then why is he encouraging people onto the streets?

        1. SOQ

          Is there any way of enlarging the text of this site in Brave?

          No matter what I do I still need a magnifying glass.

        2. Daisy Chainsaw

          Black, Gay and Asian people can be rightwing too, you know.

          The pro mask, anti ratlickers will be safely wearing their masks to help avoid transmission of loon and covid.

          1. SOQ

            Black, Gay and Asian people can be rightwing too, you know.

            Sez a non POC srt8- seriously love- we don’t need you anywhere near us let alone claiming to represent us

            On your bike darlin- we can speak for ourselves.

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            Where did I claim to be representing anyone, love. I’m just stating a fact (something conspiraloon ratlickers hate)

          3. Daisy Chainsaw

            Eh, calm down dear.

            I didn’t claim to represent anyone. You keep claiming that I claim to represent others, but if you actually read what I wrote, rather than what you think I did, you’ll see the claim is nothing of the sort.

          4. SOQ

            An now out comes the homophobia- strong views = hysterica.

            Murphy and his band of merry thugs screaming fascist at blacks asians and gays because they are not what he deems the acceptable type of blacks asians and gays. Claiming to be concerned for the vulnerable while calling for street protests- knowing full well they will not be ‘safe’.

            Anything which goes against the state narrative is to be crushed, no matter how common sense- and here you are, claiming stupid face rags that Sars-Cov-2 could drive a bus through, protect against CoVid-19- while calling other people loons?

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