60 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

  1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    “EU a threat to the integrity of the UK.” Where do you start? How about ‘Brexit a threat to the integrity of the UK’?
    The irony that Scotland and the six counties of Ireland might decide their own future. The idea that deliberately leaving and then destroying ties with the richest trading bloc in world wouldn’t result in sensible people questioning their part in it. The “will of the people” was not respected by Westminster in 1918. Maybe if it was, the Tories wouldn’t be in this mess.

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    1. bisted

      …oh dear…come back Charger…of course the will of the majority in the UK was not respected after the referendum showed a clear result in favour of leaving the EU…of course those same voters finally gave a huge majority to Boris in what amounted to a single issue election…you might not like the outcome but it’s called democracy.
      Now, what that referendum and election also clearly showed was a majority in Scotland and NI voted to remain in the EU and that democratic wish must also be respected.

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      1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

        Boris Johnson has said his controversial legislation to override parts of his Brexit deal is needed to end EU threats to install a “blockade” in the Irish Sea.

        What tosh from Bozonaro!

        Bozo: “If we fail to pass this bill, or if we weaken its protections, then we will in fact reduce the chances of getting that Canada-style deal.”

        Everyone knows Britain can’t be given the same deal as Canada. What tosh from Bozonaro!

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        1. bisted

          …I don’t know why you are getting so upset about perfidious Albion…no deal is closest to what the English voted for, twice…down there in the commonwealth you are bound to see a sharp increase in exports to the motherland…downside of that is you can also expect to see a sharp increase in prices you pay for things like food and wine…price you pay for keeping the Union Jack on your flag I suppose…

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          1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

            Are you charger in disguise? Pay more for food and wine? I can’t see why. Oz produces three times more food than it needs, as for wine, it exports plenty. The trade agreement between Britain and Oz is expected to increase British GDP by 0.02% whoopdy doo. In 1865, the British house of Commons dictated that colonial flags had to have the butcher’s apron on them.

          2. please revert to your regular username

            Yes, why does a person all the way down in Australia get upset on a daily basis about the British ? One can only assume he leads a dull life cleaning out dunnies on some fly-infested sheep station.
            It’s certainly a strange obsession – perhaps his ardour has been thwarted in the past by a fragrant English Rose who rejected his advances on account of the chrome-buckled shoes and white socks combo he was sporting.
            It might save his time if BS simply cut and pasted ‘ I hate Brits,Boris and Brexit ‘ with his name as the first post each day under the Papers.

          3. bisted

            …me…Charger…nope…definitely Irish but I’ve been pro-brexit from the outset…same as Charger but for the opposite reason…
            BTW…I’m only teasing…I enjoy your comments and like most Irish these days I have a family member who also lives in Melbourne…

          4. Nigel

            ‘no deal is closest to what the English voted for, twice’

            Yeah, no-deal is closest to the easiest deal in history and the oven-ready deal.

      2. Examiner No. 3

        Bisted,

        You are aware that the “border down the Irish sea” arrangement which has Mr. Johnson in such a froth was his own idea? You know that he campaigned for election last year on the basis of the Withdrawal Agreement he is now so set against? You remember that he purged the dissenting voices in the Tory party, consigning those who opposed the Withdrawal Agreement to the wilderness? You recall that the Tory party whipped MPs in line to carry the Withdrawal Agreement over the line with the minimum of scrutiny?

        Remind us please. Which constituency does Boris The Liar represent?

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        1. bisted

          …Boris clearly represents the people who have given him the biggest electoral majority in recent history…that mandate does not extend to Scotland or NI…he ignores democracy at his peril as critics of the democratically expressed will of the English electorate have learned…

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          1. Kate

            Boris wants rid of the 70% EU quota of fish taken by boats from other European states from British waters. Are we out of pocket some 90 billon on EU policy in Ireland?

          2. please revert to your regular username

            It’s at times like this I like to recall the words of President de Gaulle.
            ‘ les traites sont comme les jeunes filles et les roses: ca dure que ca dure ‘

      3. George

        How is their will not respected? The UK will be fully out at the end of the year. They are leaving they just aren’t very good at it.

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  2. please revert to your regular username

    He was opposed to abortion AND birth control but he was a Liberal
    ” back when they had integrity ” ?
    Australia has always been a bit of a backward country.
    No wonder you feel at home there.

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    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      I didn’t say I agreed with him. He behaved in a dignified manner, unlike the Libs of today – that was the point. I will say that Aus has gone a lot more conservative than I would like but at least the RCC doesn’t rule the roost.

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  3. please revert to your regular username

    It’s a funny old world where DHL, UPS and other couriers can process customs, traverse borders, pinpoint every vehicle with GPS, and deliver it in 48 hours to a place 10,000 miles away. Yet the EU exists in a 1970s time warp where this doesn’t happen.

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        1. GiggidyGoo

          Ah. The fellow who is constantly scoring 9+ out of 10 on the Sure Have Inferiority Troubles meter. Thought he looked familiar alright.

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  4. V AKA Frilly Keane

    Remember that lad in Taxi ?
    The telly one

    That kinda never made sense ?
    Andy Kaufman

    His form of Comedy might have been considered a bit too avant-garde
    Which was enough to have it classified as dangerous, and of a corrupting Influence kind by the uprighty christy Irish programme controllers at the time

    Whereas today the uprighty uptighty, permanently politically correcting everything on our behalf wokish people
    Would be trying to get him cancelled
    Probably

    Here, something I came across earlier
    https://youtu.be/9kpBzUQHYtM

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  5. f_lawless

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/draconian-restrictions-around-covid-19-condemned-by-hse-doctor-1.4352701?mode=amp

    ‘People at low risk from the virus should be exposed to it so they can develop herd immunity and reduce the risk to vulnerable groups, according to Dr Martin Feeley, clinical director of the Dublin Midlands Hospital Group.

    “That is what is happening and yet the policy seems to be to prevent it,” he says. “This should have been allowed to happen during the summer months before the annual flu season, to reduce the workload on the health service during winter months.” ‘

    What I and others here were saying months ago!

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    1. Q Celt

      Interesting when the scientific consensus is that humans do not develop long term immunity, hence reinfection cases in Covid epicentre US Italy, etc. Because one doctor, doctors aren’t necessarily scientists, says something don’t make it true, see smoking and climate change for example

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      1. SOQ

        What scientific consensus? It is well established at this point that the vast majority of people will have if not antibodies then T-Cells post CoVid-19. The reinfection argument on the other hand has yet to been proven but even then, it is bound to be a small number of people because there is always outliers in immunity.

        Of course you are the person who yesterday described Ivor Cummins work, endorsed Carl Hannigan of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University, as ‘pseudoscience’- so you clearly know better than one of the most prestigious academics in the UK.

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    2. Sham Bob

      According to that Ivor whatshisface we already have herd immunity – rebranded as community immunity – and those who are likely to die have died. I don’t know what Ivor or that doc has to say about his 7 dead colleagues and the over 5000 healthcare workers who’ve been infected – ‘ it’s no worse than a flu’, or ‘wake up sheeple’ maybe?

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      1. SOQ

        Where are you getting the ” 7 dead colleagues and the over 5000 healthcare workers who’ve been infected” figure from please?

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          1. Sham Bob

            I’d have more respect for you if you did say it was wrong, or didn’t matter, and had a view as to why. But not being aware of that easily discovered information suggests you never bothered looking it up and you’re guilty of exactly what you’re accusing the poor old sheeple of – confirmation bias.
            If you want to while away an afternoon breaking down that data to square it away with your worldview, work away.

          2. SOQ

            I never said they were wrong because I did not know- does everyone have to be pursuing an agenda in your mind?

            So once more- what percentage of those people worked in nursing homes- at a time when they did not have adequate PPE?

    3. please revert to your regular username

      The Cummins presentation is very long so will probably tax the patience of those on here with the attention span of a goldfish.
      But it makes some interesting points and is well worth a watch, particularly if you’re one of the few people on here who don’t require confirmation bias to tell them what to think.
      One can’t help wondering why our national broadcasters are not asking the same questions.
      https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

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  6. Nigel

    Two stories:

    How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled?t=1599915875974

    ‘Tucker Carlson [Carlson is a presenter at Fox News] argues that climate change is like “systemic racism in the sky” in that it doesn’t exist but liberals want you to believe its there.’

    https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1304571870767968258

    But Greta Thurnberg is the virus.

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  7. Nigel

    Addendum to this, for people who insist on blaming liberals for Trump or think both sides are equivalent or that just because you don’t follow Q doesn’t mean you aren’t repeating Qanon conspiracies (warning, this is grim,):

    ‘On a cigarette break outside their small business in Ozaukee County, Tina Arthur and Marcella Frank told me they plan to vote for Trump again because they are deeply alarmed by “the cabal.” They’ve heard “numerous reports” that the COVID-19 tents set up in New York and California were actually for children who had been rescued from underground sex-trafficking tunnels.

    ‘Arthur and Frank explained they’re not followers of QAnon. Frank says she spends most of her free time researching child sex trafficking, while Arthur adds that she often finds this information on the Russian-owned search engine Yandex. Frank’s eyes fill with tears as she describes what she’s found: children who are being raped and tortured so that “the cabal” can “extract their blood and drink it.” She says Trump has seized the blood on the black market as part of his fight against the cabal. “I think if Biden wins, the world is over, basically,” adds Arthur. “I would honestly try to leave the country. And if that wasn’t an option, I would probably take my children and sit in the garage and turn my car on and it would be over.”’

    https://time.com/5887437/conspiracy-theories-2020-election/

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  8. Nigel

    https://earther.gizmodo.com/australia-burned-under-a-haze-of-misinformation-earlier-1845031119

    ‘Two ideas gained real legs. First was the theory that the fires were so intense because environmentalists and greenies had opposed hazard reduction burns where dry fuel is burned off outside of bushfire season. It is an old one; in 2009, News Corp columnist Miranda Devine wrote that “it is not arsonists who should be hanging from lamp-posts but greenies.” It was a lie in 2009 and it was a lie in 2020: Hazard reduction hadn’t decreased at all, and the Greens, Australia’s most liberal party, fully support this activity.’

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