I do look forward to the day when everyone of the above publications are gone out of business and the “journalists” have to write click bait articles like “wait til you see this mans family’s reaction after his penile enhancement” or “Kathryn Thomas family shocked at size of her secret henry hippo savings account”.
I once had to deal with SBP for about 18 months. The journos were quite literally some of the dumbest human beings in existence.
Bitnboxy
In what capacity did you have to deal with SBP journalists? Intern? Surely there are media publications out there which suit your world view? I suspect the latter is your main issue.
millie bobby brownie
Are you not being a touch presumptuous?
Iian-Oh
@Bitnboxy:
Wrong, but to be fair, you are remarkably consistent in that regard.
I will allow you that.
Bitnboxy
Not the answer I was expecting and this merely confirms what I suspect. Don’t you think it is a bit juvenile to blithely state “all journalists in SBP are dumb”?! I don’t even read the publication but come on? For the love of Jesus.
Cian
Shinners gonna shin
Iian-Oh
Shincapping?
Gabby
confess shins & repent
Iian-Oh
Lol
Rob_G
Try to imagine any other Irish political party sending a bank robber to call on at the house of a university student to “persuade” them to toe the party line… that’s right, you can’t.
Cú Chulainn
No .. because they are more subtle.. not because they don’t.
Rob_G
What other party has bankrobbers on standby for heavy work?
Praetorian
Fine Gael….they work hand in hand with KBC Bank…who employ Northern loyalist thugs to evict people in the Republic.
…isn’t it the other way round…isn’t it the banksters who keep the government on hand in case they need a bailout…
Joe
Fianna Fail Gael aren’t too interested in small fry unless they are exposing things like the rotisserie taoiseach Leo Varadkar leaking confidential information.
No they don’t Rob Banks, actually the opposite they Rob ordinary people to give to the banks
Otis Blue
“Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered, I’ve seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen…”
GiggidyGoo
Very true. Take health insurance. LCR was introduced by Varadkar a few years ago. People who lost their jobs during FFG’s tenure and had to give up health insurance they had paid over decades were then hit with loadings when they took it out again. 20% in some cases. On top of that, the State takes 33% ‘levy’ of the final amount. (Bear in mind that a lot of people in that age group would be on 50% tax rate)
ReproBertie
LCR mainly applies to people who take out private health insurance for the first time at the age of 35 or over. People who had insurance and gave it up will not pay the full LCR when they take it out again. The longer they had insurance the lower the LCR.
GiggidyGoo
Easy to say ‘do not have to pay full LCR’. People who paid for decades and who lost their jobs during the FFG years 2009 onwards, and had to cancel their health insurance, were heavily penalized when they took it out again. Heavily. 20% heavily in one case I know of. Add that to the yearly increments, on which that 20% is paid too, and you’ll get an idea.
And we got this gem at the time. “Because of the recession, young people are dropping their cover or not signing up, so the market is ageing. That’s driving up premiums massively, which in turn is forcing more people off cover. LCR will help to break this vicious circle, by encouraging more young people to buy health insurance.” Really? Is the circle broken?
ReproBertie
LCR is 2% per year without insurance to a maximum of 20%.
That the lad that made a show of Social Welfare in Dublin Airport and FG’s Acting Minister Regina Doherty that time?
Something about PUP recipients travelling?
GiggidyGoo
Well, you have Cian and his mates scraping this site and can call posts you make even 9 months ago at the click of a finger. Not that he can identify anyone, but to try spread some kind of fear.
Bitnboxy
Erm, Giggidy, your anti-vaxx tricolour-tattooed Shinner derrière self has been trying to spread fear about the Covid vaccine of late. Rein in the aul hypocrisy, please.
I wonder will there be any takers on Paddy Cosgroves €10,000 offer.
Cian
Something something rent-free something
GiggidyGoo
Ah, there’s Cian, right on time to get the first comment in on Mondays newspapers. Something juicy no doubt.
Rob_G
I hope this doesn’t count as “scraping this site”, but literally two posts below you are asking someone to provide links to what you said to back up their point…
GiggidyGoo
I don’t know what your comment is meant to prove or even there Rob. Is there something catching in FG-land? The Britnboxy lad refererred to me saying something about the HPV vaccination, and also to me being anti vax. I called it out, asking for links, and it left. So what’s your point?
Rob_G
On the one hand you are challenging someone to provide a link for something you may/may not have said. And on the same comment thread, you are crying foul that someone has called you out on your inconsistencies by linking to something else you said – you can’t have it both ways
GiggidyGoo
Jeez Rob. You’re all over the place. Grab a coffee, relax, and regroup – then try make some sense.
Bitnboxy
FFS Giggidy! Stop denying the fact you tried to spread fear and nuttery about the HPV vaccine. And now you are trying the same stunt with the Covid vaccine.
Rob_G
@Everyone – what a load of bullpoop equivocation to justify Sin Féin sending an armed robber around to some 21 year-old’s house to keep her in line – unbelievable…
GiggidyGoo
Sean Conlon or Frank Feighan are such nice people
Rob_G
what a dumb comparison: to compare a party with a guy shoved someone (which he certainly shouldn’t have done) and another guy who assaulted someone in a pub who was kicked out of the party on foot of his conviction, to a party that is chock-full of convicted bombers, back robbers, and child-murderers.
GiggidyGoo
No wonder you’re welcomed into the FG fold. ‘Ah sure it was just a fellow assaulting an elderly man”, and ‘Ah sure he only glassed him”.
Not to mention of course FGs Pat Breen seeking the early release of a rapist.
There’s a litany of FGers, FFers members and TDs that a book could be written about. But as regards killing by stealth, no better ones than FFG.
Rob_G
FG politician: shoved a man
SF politician: shoots an unarmed man execution-style in the head
Yeah, really comparing like-with-like there…
GiggidyGoo
FG politician glassed a man. But sure he’s a grand lad when you get to know him.
Rob_G
They former FG politician – they kicked him out quick-smart after his brush with the law – imagine that.
Whereas with SF, being a bank-robber is no impediment to getting a run at a council seat. And this is the person they send out to the house of a 20 year-old girl to ‘talk sense’ to her.
GiggidyGoo
Was he a FG politician or not when he did it? A simple yes, or no, will suffice.
Rob_G
Yes. And Fine Gael kicked him out as a result – an amazing concept for a Mary Lou fanboy to grasp, I am sure, so I will leave you a few minutes to grapple with that.
GiggidyGoo
Would that be the same type of kicking out that racist Darren Scully had? You know – the one where he was re-admitted. Imagine that – an amazing concept. Time will tell.
Rob_G
So, if I understand correctly, he was kicked out, and then let back in after duly serving a punishment – I see.
Was Gerry Adams ever disciplined over his racist tweets, or this level of accountability only applicable to other parties?
GiggidyGoo
I don’t know what SF does internally. Maybe you should ask someone who does?
Rob_G
‘Kangaroo courts’, is the short answer.
GiggidyGoo
Can’t be true – the Indo didn’t run with it. Next Sunday’s headline ‘Shinner farts in Church in front of Garda’s kids’.
Rosette of Sirius
In fairness, I don’t think you’re too worried that the IRA will call ’round to your house to have ‘words’…. being such a stalwart defender and what not…..
GiggidyGoo
The Church of the Assumption sure does attract some crackpots – in fairness.
Mind you, I wouldn’t like Sean Conlon of Frank Feighan calling around.
Bitnboxy
FFS – Giggidy you are frankly in no position to be crowing about crackpots. Bloody hell. From anyone other than the BS No. 1 Mary Lounatik!
GiggidyGoo
You owe some links. Can’t produce them? Enough said.
Maybe when you get a bit of education? Your lack of it constantly makes you a laughing stock. There there there. Ask mammy to make you a nice supper, tuck you in and read you a bedtime story. There there there!
SF - Nationalist Socialist Racist Homophobic Authoritain
You spelt kill incorrectly.
GiggidyGoo
TA
GiggidyGoo
2020 – we now have government run by tweet, confidential state documents distributed to friends, SIPO stuffed to make sure Varadkar gets a free ride, and Irish international politics run by text.
Asked about, anything, the Duke Of Cork half-taoiseach replies from his prompt cards – ‘it’s fifty-fifty, we are half-way there, more or less, and the glass is half-empty.’
‘And when he was only half way up, he was neither up nor down’.
Bitnboxy
Groan – from anyone else! A bit rich from GiggidyGoo, an perma-disgruntled anti-vaxx Shinner social media stalker with a tricolour-tattooed derrière.
Back under your rock please.
Brian Stanley – Christine O’Mahony. Nothing to say about these two? But lots of tinfoil hat nonsense about the Covid vaccine…Spare us.
Ben Madigan
“Stalker” – Pot. Kettle.
Bitnboxy
I poke the wickle Shinner baba for fun. Giggidy is totally up for this. In fact, the BS No. 1 Mary Lounatick is under no obligation to reply but an insult-laden bait-swallowing “retort” is never far behind!
Ben Madigan
“Insult-laden” – Pot. Kettle.
Toby
Brit, you’re like that eager fella In the bar who gets drunk before anyone else and rambles with excitement. The room rolls its eyes. Calm down fella. (Also, never go full Unionist…its not a good look anywhere)
GiggidyGoo
Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice. The uneducated stalker has spoken. ROFL
Bitnboxy
What did I say? Poke the wickle anti-vaxx Shinner baba and well, I am smiling.
Beetlejuice indeed.
DTMFA
Otherwise, all good though?
goldenbrown
Rob_G
have you ever stopped to ask yourself the question why in 2020 that young people are joining SF in the first place?
Rosette of Sirius
I’d I imagine, in part, that they didn’t grow up seeing the news reports of dead bodies blown to bits was well as the rest of the glories Sinn Fein/IRA covered themselves with.
millie bobby brownie
I’d say that’s part of it, but when you look at the legacies of FF/FG governments, both of whom have absolutely not done anything for young peoole except leave them with crippling debt, a housing crisis, and a recession where their futures were sacrificed to save the banks, who now make it almost impossible to get a mortgage, then SF suddenly become a more palatable option, even such an ugly past.
ReproBertie
But with Sinn Féin’s inability to form a government that may well be a case of “let’s try these ones” rather than “these ones will fix it”.
Bitnboxy
Millie’s assessment is fair.
Young people are holding their noses and turning to SF precisely because of the failure of the governments of the last decade to tackle a seriously dysfunctional housing market and the exacerbation of inequalities in terms of life opportunities. I don’t trust Sinn Fein and further believe they won’t change anything other than infuse the type of toxicity in politics as exemplified by GiggidyGoo’s angry propaganda.
That doesn’t mean I don’t understand why Sinn Fein and their easy populism seems attractive and if the government continue to fail young people who can’t see themselves accessing housing or good jobs and hitting the life milestones before their 40s, then they will have only themselves to blame for future SF capture of our institutions and government.
Sinn Féin were very willing
And upfront
About being available for Government last February
It’s was Micheál Martin that refused to consider them
Opting for the Confidence & Supply old establishment to get him what he wanted
Taoiseach
Their own leader wrote FFs death certificate
As for the Shinners rapid turn around from May’19 s desperate Local & EU elections
To February’s stunning head turning
It’s very simple
Sinn Féin were the only recognised Opposition to FG+ FF in Confidence & Supply
A huge strategic miss by Fianna Fail not to go into coalition with SF
The eFFers will never recover
And all for ego
ReproBertie
Willing and able but couldn’t get a deal. Not for the first time either.
The Labour Party really blew their chances of building support from a young workforce with their invisibility in opposition. SF definitely capitalised on that.
goldenbrown
Repro
according to the coroners report Labour died tragically due to misadventure back in 2011/12
possibly caused by sudden loss of faculty and core belief
Labour might offer a home for many of those February Sinn Féin no 1s
Soc Dems too
Remember it was the Shinners surpluses that pulled half their reps over the line
But neither party have the candidates
And from what I’m seeing – they’re not attracting them either
Only FG & SF are showing any growth in support and in swelling memberships
As for the Greens – they’re seasonal
They’ll come and go according to the weather
But I suspect they’ll always have a good handful of reps in the Dáil and locally
They’re like Brussel Sprouts
You either like them or hate them
And if it’s the latter, you’ll still swallow one
Even if it is just the one time every couple of years
Bitnboxy
Fianna Fáil are simply damned if they do share power with the Shinners, damned if they don’t share power with the Shinners. Obviously, they (at least the non-O’Cuivites) correctly IMO have decided that less damage will be done (and that is not saying they will be damaged by this decision) by not going into a FF-SF coalition thus refusing to normalize SF and preserve FF as the legitimate heirs of Republicanism.
goldenbrown
Bitnboxy
the kids couldn’t give a flying frigg who is the heir of Republicanism
(or Republicanism for that matter)
but if we carry on failing them and ourselves by continuing to indulge FFG in their thinly veiled nonsense there’s a danger they’ll develop a taste for it is my point
goldenbrown
exactly millie bobby brownie
see, I just wonder if FFG members, supporters and friends have taken a hard look at themselves at all in the last even 10 years? Because it seems to me that they offer very little for our young people. Unless they believe throwing them a bone or two (nicer softer universal things like marriage equality for example) trump the bread and butter issues like proper payment for a day’s work?
Peace comes in all shapes and forms, yes you have the physical sort but you also have more subtle forms like feeling secure in your own home, having a life plan that you can be reasonably certain will bring you a solid existence as you’re getting up early in the morning.
FFG. always supposedly trying but for decades always failing for some reason or another, always some excuse. It that a surprise though? Conservative ideology is exactly what it says on the tin, no? With it there’s always going to be haves and have nots. Those who have keep what they have. Those who have not, well maybe they’ll get lucky as they catch the crumbs.
see I think the kids get it, they know what a bag of smoke looks like. FFG would want to take a look at themselves. For everyone’s sake.
Iian-Oh
+2
Also this.
Bitnboxy
I don’t disagree Goldie but my point is simply that for a lot of Fianna Fáilers coalition with the Shinners presents an existential dilemma and threatens their very survival.
Fine Gael have nothing to lose in the social media and smear war with the Shinners. Their electorate, as much as the Shinner base, thrive on it. But for Fianna Fáil it is a much more difficult and delicate issue as a lot of Shinners were likely former Fianna Fáilers. Literally no Shinner was a former Fine Gael voter.
goldenbrown
nor I with you
and you’re right Bitnboxy
but we’re the ones sponsoring this tribal crap
they are supposed to be working for US remember?
FF, FG, SF……it’s all bygone era nonsense. just do the fupping job you’re being paid VERY handsomely to do already!
If I wanted sport I’d watch the hurling.
Iian-Oh
+1
This.
Rosette of Sirius
Completely agree with that Millie. It just galls me that we don’t have an effective politicized workers/trades Union movement in this country any more. Especially since Labour blew it and while they try any posture themselves, Sinn Fein aren’t it.
Every week, one way or another, shinner flaming kicks off and the comment thread ends up covered with insulting goo. The argument that they’re this bright new future for Ireland is a fallacy. They’re as much anchored to their legacy as the rest of Irish politics. It’s what they have in their past, what they continue to do in the shadows and what they have in their hearts bothers me so much. And the last couple of weeks further amplifies that.
…agree…I think the shinners missed the best chance they are going to have by misreading and not fielding enough candidates…however, I don’t believe they have the talent on the benches…there seems to be a huge gap between their best performers and the rest…
Bitnboxy
@bisted This is so true and I would go so far as to say there is a chasm in terms of professionalism and ability between the SF front bench and the large rump of their other TDs a lot of whom are only a hop, skip and jump away from a damaging headline. Amusingly some political wags have joked Mary Lou had no clue who the hell Brian Stanley was before the obvious blew up.
It’s finding Candidates and vetting them is where I think they struggle
Good example – they knew for sure DSC and DC would promise a second candidate to be elected with Mary Lou and Shoddy
Said it before – they need to approach more lads like Martin Kenny
Less of the – ye know who the are
goldenbrown
but lads
I think just as SF only have fragmented pockets of talent so too do FF and FG. (and of course a talent for what exactly and to who’s benefit?)
this is a key problem in the whole entire show up in Kildare Street. why it will never ever change bar war or revolution. or aliens landing who show us the way forward. causing a change in the actual system of politics. these groupings of people up in Leinster House behave more like teams participating in a sport, tribal crap, and it serves us (the very ones who employ them) very poorly indeed. and we’re not absolved of blame either – they are after all employed by us, these people are a reflection of us. But is Leinster House really the best thing we can do? could we not eliminate the tribal thinking, just put the right people from across the board with the right talent and interest in the right position to serve Ireland? it’s like a huge anchor weighing us down. and it serves the narrow interests of the few instead of the wider interests of society.
If Brexit, Trump, Fidesz, Salvatini, and on, and on, has thought us anything, it’s that people will vote for people offering simple solutions to complex problems.
“Vote for SF – they will increase spending, increase social welfare, build thousands of houses @ €30k a pop, all the while cutting income taxes and abolishing carbon taxes, and property tax”
Sounds all very well and good, but does not actually translate to the real world.
SOQ
Critical Care Figures Cast Doubt on ‘Second Wave’
Neville Hodgkinson is former medical and science correspondent of the Daily Mail and Sunday Times.
“,,,after the huge spike that occurred in April, caused by COVID-19’s arrival, the monthly totals are either about the same, or less, than in all the previous years.”
“I suspect now that a key reason for the panic was high-level knowledge that the virus was a chimera – a product of so-called “gain-of-function” genetic engineering at China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, part-financed by America’s National Institutes of Health, making it both more infectious and more damaging than existing coronaviruses. Despite very quick denials from the Chinese Government and others claiming a natural origin, considerable evidence points in this direction.”
Whether the virus was genetically modified or not, the best evidence for its origin currently points to virus samples that were taken back in 2012 from the infected lungs of Chinese miners who had been working in a bat-infested mineshaft near Mojiang in southwest China at that time. The samples were collected, stored and researched by the Wuhan Institute of Virology..
Early on in the pandemic there was a paper published in the medical journal, Nature Medicine,
which was dismissive of the lab origin theory and which proposed the wet market origin. It was widely cited in international media at the time. However, since then, the wet market theory has become discredited and major scientific flaws have been exposed with that original paper published in Nature Medicine. Despite this, the media has given scant attention to the developing story.
(by a virologist and geneticist, Jonathan Latham, PhD and Allison Wilson, PhD )
SOQ
Well a gain of function would explain the OTT reaction of the authorities, at least in the early days and given Fauci’s involvement with the Wuhan lab- it is not like they are ever going to admit to it.
What I don’t understand is what happened to the Australian vaccine- why would they need HIV remnants in the first place? And, why would false HIV positives stop the trails when they knew it was going flag up beforehand?
SOQ
DR TOM JEFFERSON: As people test positive WEEKS after they stop being infectious, why I fear this mania for mass Covid testing is a hugely expensive blunder
“All precision has been sacrificed and instead we are blundering through – imprisoning people in their homes, further crippling the economy long after the infection has vanished.”
“We must reach agreed laboratory standards for how swabs are processed so that one result can be meaningfully compared with another. And we must bring this indiscriminate regime of mass tests to a halt, concentrating instead on those who have good reason to believe they have the virus.
The alternative is yet more agonising muddle and delay. More needless damage to lives and livelihoods, more pointless suffering.”
I do look forward to the day when everyone of the above publications are gone out of business and the “journalists” have to write click bait articles like “wait til you see this mans family’s reaction after his penile enhancement” or “Kathryn Thomas family shocked at size of her secret henry hippo savings account”.
I once had to deal with SBP for about 18 months. The journos were quite literally some of the dumbest human beings in existence.
In what capacity did you have to deal with SBP journalists? Intern? Surely there are media publications out there which suit your world view? I suspect the latter is your main issue.
Are you not being a touch presumptuous?
@Bitnboxy:
Wrong, but to be fair, you are remarkably consistent in that regard.
I will allow you that.
Not the answer I was expecting and this merely confirms what I suspect. Don’t you think it is a bit juvenile to blithely state “all journalists in SBP are dumb”?! I don’t even read the publication but come on? For the love of Jesus.
Shinners gonna shin
Shincapping?
confess shins & repent
Lol
Try to imagine any other Irish political party sending a bank robber to call on at the house of a university student to “persuade” them to toe the party line… that’s right, you can’t.
No .. because they are more subtle.. not because they don’t.
What other party has bankrobbers on standby for heavy work?
Fine Gael….they work hand in hand with KBC Bank…who employ Northern loyalist thugs to evict people in the Republic.
In fairness
They all do
…isn’t it the other way round…isn’t it the banksters who keep the government on hand in case they need a bailout…
Fianna Fail Gael aren’t too interested in small fry unless they are exposing things like the rotisserie taoiseach Leo Varadkar leaking confidential information.
They normally sleazily collude directly with banksters!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30601277.html
No they don’t Rob Banks, actually the opposite they Rob ordinary people to give to the banks
“Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered, I’ve seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen…”
Very true. Take health insurance. LCR was introduced by Varadkar a few years ago. People who lost their jobs during FFG’s tenure and had to give up health insurance they had paid over decades were then hit with loadings when they took it out again. 20% in some cases. On top of that, the State takes 33% ‘levy’ of the final amount. (Bear in mind that a lot of people in that age group would be on 50% tax rate)
LCR mainly applies to people who take out private health insurance for the first time at the age of 35 or over. People who had insurance and gave it up will not pay the full LCR when they take it out again. The longer they had insurance the lower the LCR.
Easy to say ‘do not have to pay full LCR’. People who paid for decades and who lost their jobs during the FFG years 2009 onwards, and had to cancel their health insurance, were heavily penalized when they took it out again. Heavily. 20% heavily in one case I know of. Add that to the yearly increments, on which that 20% is paid too, and you’ll get an idea.
And we got this gem at the time. “Because of the recession, young people are dropping their cover or not signing up, so the market is ageing. That’s driving up premiums massively, which in turn is forcing more people off cover. LCR will help to break this vicious circle, by encouraging more young people to buy health insurance.” Really? Is the circle broken?
LCR is 2% per year without insurance to a maximum of 20%.
@Repro.
I think you need to have another look. The maximum isn’t 20pc. How does 30pc + grab you? https://www.totalhealthcover.ie/lifetime_community_rating_-_calculator
My mistake. The loading only applies for a maximum of 10 years but the 2% per year loading goes to a maximum of an incredible 70%!!!
Yep.
nicely said Otis
(Woody Guthrie).
Indeed.
Fun fact: Donald Trump’s father was Woody’s landlord.
Jeez, talk about opposite sides of the fence!
The fraperoom just doxxes you and puts your address online. Ask @RomanShortall. Oh wait, he was bullied off Twitter by FG loyalists.
That the lad that made a show of Social Welfare in Dublin Airport and FG’s Acting Minister Regina Doherty that time?
Something about PUP recipients travelling?
Well, you have Cian and his mates scraping this site and can call posts you make even 9 months ago at the click of a finger. Not that he can identify anyone, but to try spread some kind of fear.
Erm, Giggidy, your anti-vaxx tricolour-tattooed Shinner derrière self has been trying to spread fear about the Covid vaccine of late. Rein in the aul hypocrisy, please.
More Mary Lounatick nonsense.
And yet when I took that doxxing n’ multiple hidings meself
As well as getting cancelled
Cian and his mates had nothing to with it
Here Goo
Make a few bob for yourself
https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1338143495937265664?s=19
@V
That’s as bad as FG. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-research-candidates-asked-how-to-attack-sinn-fein-39736985.html
I wonder will there be any takers on Paddy Cosgroves €10,000 offer.
Something something rent-free something
Ah, there’s Cian, right on time to get the first comment in on Mondays newspapers. Something juicy no doubt.
I hope this doesn’t count as “scraping this site”, but literally two posts below you are asking someone to provide links to what you said to back up their point…
I don’t know what your comment is meant to prove or even there Rob. Is there something catching in FG-land? The Britnboxy lad refererred to me saying something about the HPV vaccination, and also to me being anti vax. I called it out, asking for links, and it left. So what’s your point?
On the one hand you are challenging someone to provide a link for something you may/may not have said. And on the same comment thread, you are crying foul that someone has called you out on your inconsistencies by linking to something else you said – you can’t have it both ways
Jeez Rob. You’re all over the place. Grab a coffee, relax, and regroup – then try make some sense.
FFS Giggidy! Stop denying the fact you tried to spread fear and nuttery about the HPV vaccine. And now you are trying the same stunt with the Covid vaccine.
@Everyone – what a load of bullpoop equivocation to justify Sin Féin sending an armed robber around to some 21 year-old’s house to keep her in line – unbelievable…
Sean Conlon or Frank Feighan are such nice people
what a dumb comparison: to compare a party with a guy shoved someone (which he certainly shouldn’t have done) and another guy who assaulted someone in a pub who was kicked out of the party on foot of his conviction, to a party that is chock-full of convicted bombers, back robbers, and child-murderers.
No wonder you’re welcomed into the FG fold. ‘Ah sure it was just a fellow assaulting an elderly man”, and ‘Ah sure he only glassed him”.
Not to mention of course FGs Pat Breen seeking the early release of a rapist.
There’s a litany of FGers, FFers members and TDs that a book could be written about. But as regards killing by stealth, no better ones than FFG.
FG politician: shoved a man
SF politician: shoots an unarmed man execution-style in the head
Yeah, really comparing like-with-like there…
FG politician glassed a man. But sure he’s a grand lad when you get to know him.
They former FG politician – they kicked him out quick-smart after his brush with the law – imagine that.
Whereas with SF, being a bank-robber is no impediment to getting a run at a council seat. And this is the person they send out to the house of a 20 year-old girl to ‘talk sense’ to her.
Was he a FG politician or not when he did it? A simple yes, or no, will suffice.
Yes. And Fine Gael kicked him out as a result – an amazing concept for a Mary Lou fanboy to grasp, I am sure, so I will leave you a few minutes to grapple with that.
Would that be the same type of kicking out that racist Darren Scully had? You know – the one where he was re-admitted. Imagine that – an amazing concept. Time will tell.
So, if I understand correctly, he was kicked out, and then let back in after duly serving a punishment – I see.
Was Gerry Adams ever disciplined over his racist tweets, or this level of accountability only applicable to other parties?
I don’t know what SF does internally. Maybe you should ask someone who does?
‘Kangaroo courts’, is the short answer.
Can’t be true – the Indo didn’t run with it. Next Sunday’s headline ‘Shinner farts in Church in front of Garda’s kids’.
In fairness, I don’t think you’re too worried that the IRA will call ’round to your house to have ‘words’…. being such a stalwart defender and what not…..
The Church of the Assumption sure does attract some crackpots – in fairness.
Mind you, I wouldn’t like Sean Conlon of Frank Feighan calling around.
FFS – Giggidy you are frankly in no position to be crowing about crackpots. Bloody hell. From anyone other than the BS No. 1 Mary Lounatik!
You owe some links. Can’t produce them? Enough said.
Maybe when you get a bit of education? Your lack of it constantly makes you a laughing stock. There there there. Ask mammy to make you a nice supper, tuck you in and read you a bedtime story. There there there!
You spelt kill incorrectly.
TA
2020 – we now have government run by tweet, confidential state documents distributed to friends, SIPO stuffed to make sure Varadkar gets a free ride, and Irish international politics run by text.
Asked about, anything, the Duke Of Cork half-taoiseach replies from his prompt cards – ‘it’s fifty-fifty, we are half-way there, more or less, and the glass is half-empty.’
‘And when he was only half way up, he was neither up nor down’.
Groan – from anyone else! A bit rich from GiggidyGoo, an perma-disgruntled anti-vaxx Shinner social media stalker with a tricolour-tattooed derrière.
Back under your rock please.
Brian Stanley – Christine O’Mahony. Nothing to say about these two? But lots of tinfoil hat nonsense about the Covid vaccine…Spare us.
“Stalker” – Pot. Kettle.
I poke the wickle Shinner baba for fun. Giggidy is totally up for this. In fact, the BS No. 1 Mary Lounatick is under no obligation to reply but an insult-laden bait-swallowing “retort” is never far behind!
“Insult-laden” – Pot. Kettle.
Brit, you’re like that eager fella In the bar who gets drunk before anyone else and rambles with excitement. The room rolls its eyes. Calm down fella. (Also, never go full Unionist…its not a good look anywhere)
Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice. The uneducated stalker has spoken. ROFL
What did I say? Poke the wickle anti-vaxx Shinner baba and well, I am smiling.
Beetlejuice indeed.
Otherwise, all good though?
Rob_G
have you ever stopped to ask yourself the question why in 2020 that young people are joining SF in the first place?
I’d I imagine, in part, that they didn’t grow up seeing the news reports of dead bodies blown to bits was well as the rest of the glories Sinn Fein/IRA covered themselves with.
I’d say that’s part of it, but when you look at the legacies of FF/FG governments, both of whom have absolutely not done anything for young peoole except leave them with crippling debt, a housing crisis, and a recession where their futures were sacrificed to save the banks, who now make it almost impossible to get a mortgage, then SF suddenly become a more palatable option, even such an ugly past.
But with Sinn Féin’s inability to form a government that may well be a case of “let’s try these ones” rather than “these ones will fix it”.
Millie’s assessment is fair.
Young people are holding their noses and turning to SF precisely because of the failure of the governments of the last decade to tackle a seriously dysfunctional housing market and the exacerbation of inequalities in terms of life opportunities. I don’t trust Sinn Fein and further believe they won’t change anything other than infuse the type of toxicity in politics as exemplified by GiggidyGoo’s angry propaganda.
That doesn’t mean I don’t understand why Sinn Fein and their easy populism seems attractive and if the government continue to fail young people who can’t see themselves accessing housing or good jobs and hitting the life milestones before their 40s, then they will have only themselves to blame for future SF capture of our institutions and government.
Ah c’mon Repo
Sinn Féin were very willing
And upfront
About being available for Government last February
It’s was Micheál Martin that refused to consider them
Opting for the Confidence & Supply old establishment to get him what he wanted
Taoiseach
Their own leader wrote FFs death certificate
As for the Shinners rapid turn around from May’19 s desperate Local & EU elections
To February’s stunning head turning
It’s very simple
Sinn Féin were the only recognised Opposition to FG+ FF in Confidence & Supply
A huge strategic miss by Fianna Fail not to go into coalition with SF
The eFFers will never recover
And all for ego
Willing and able but couldn’t get a deal. Not for the first time either.
The Labour Party really blew their chances of building support from a young workforce with their invisibility in opposition. SF definitely capitalised on that.
Repro
according to the coroners report Labour died tragically due to misadventure back in 2011/12
possibly caused by sudden loss of faculty and core belief
many hearts were broken
Labour might offer a home for many of those February Sinn Féin no 1s
Soc Dems too
Remember it was the Shinners surpluses that pulled half their reps over the line
But neither party have the candidates
And from what I’m seeing – they’re not attracting them either
Only FG & SF are showing any growth in support and in swelling memberships
As for the Greens – they’re seasonal
They’ll come and go according to the weather
But I suspect they’ll always have a good handful of reps in the Dáil and locally
They’re like Brussel Sprouts
You either like them or hate them
And if it’s the latter, you’ll still swallow one
Even if it is just the one time every couple of years
Fianna Fáil are simply damned if they do share power with the Shinners, damned if they don’t share power with the Shinners. Obviously, they (at least the non-O’Cuivites) correctly IMO have decided that less damage will be done (and that is not saying they will be damaged by this decision) by not going into a FF-SF coalition thus refusing to normalize SF and preserve FF as the legitimate heirs of Republicanism.
Bitnboxy
the kids couldn’t give a flying frigg who is the heir of Republicanism
(or Republicanism for that matter)
but if we carry on failing them and ourselves by continuing to indulge FFG in their thinly veiled nonsense there’s a danger they’ll develop a taste for it is my point
exactly millie bobby brownie
see, I just wonder if FFG members, supporters and friends have taken a hard look at themselves at all in the last even 10 years? Because it seems to me that they offer very little for our young people. Unless they believe throwing them a bone or two (nicer softer universal things like marriage equality for example) trump the bread and butter issues like proper payment for a day’s work?
Peace comes in all shapes and forms, yes you have the physical sort but you also have more subtle forms like feeling secure in your own home, having a life plan that you can be reasonably certain will bring you a solid existence as you’re getting up early in the morning.
FFG. always supposedly trying but for decades always failing for some reason or another, always some excuse. It that a surprise though? Conservative ideology is exactly what it says on the tin, no? With it there’s always going to be haves and have nots. Those who have keep what they have. Those who have not, well maybe they’ll get lucky as they catch the crumbs.
see I think the kids get it, they know what a bag of smoke looks like. FFG would want to take a look at themselves. For everyone’s sake.
+2
Also this.
I don’t disagree Goldie but my point is simply that for a lot of Fianna Fáilers coalition with the Shinners presents an existential dilemma and threatens their very survival.
Fine Gael have nothing to lose in the social media and smear war with the Shinners. Their electorate, as much as the Shinner base, thrive on it. But for Fianna Fáil it is a much more difficult and delicate issue as a lot of Shinners were likely former Fianna Fáilers. Literally no Shinner was a former Fine Gael voter.
nor I with you
and you’re right Bitnboxy
but we’re the ones sponsoring this tribal crap
they are supposed to be working for US remember?
FF, FG, SF……it’s all bygone era nonsense. just do the fupping job you’re being paid VERY handsomely to do already!
If I wanted sport I’d watch the hurling.
+1
This.
Completely agree with that Millie. It just galls me that we don’t have an effective politicized workers/trades Union movement in this country any more. Especially since Labour blew it and while they try any posture themselves, Sinn Fein aren’t it.
Every week, one way or another, shinner flaming kicks off and the comment thread ends up covered with insulting goo. The argument that they’re this bright new future for Ireland is a fallacy. They’re as much anchored to their legacy as the rest of Irish politics. It’s what they have in their past, what they continue to do in the shadows and what they have in their hearts bothers me so much. And the last couple of weeks further amplifies that.
With that all said, they’re unstoppable. Urgh.
SF have peaked
…agree…I think the shinners missed the best chance they are going to have by misreading and not fielding enough candidates…however, I don’t believe they have the talent on the benches…there seems to be a huge gap between their best performers and the rest…
@bisted This is so true and I would go so far as to say there is a chasm in terms of professionalism and ability between the SF front bench and the large rump of their other TDs a lot of whom are only a hop, skip and jump away from a damaging headline. Amusingly some political wags have joked Mary Lou had no clue who the hell Brian Stanley was before the obvious blew up.
I agree Brother
It’s finding Candidates and vetting them is where I think they struggle
Good example – they knew for sure DSC and DC would promise a second candidate to be elected with Mary Lou and Shoddy
Said it before – they need to approach more lads like Martin Kenny
Less of the – ye know who the are
but lads
I think just as SF only have fragmented pockets of talent so too do FF and FG. (and of course a talent for what exactly and to who’s benefit?)
this is a key problem in the whole entire show up in Kildare Street. why it will never ever change bar war or revolution. or aliens landing who show us the way forward. causing a change in the actual system of politics. these groupings of people up in Leinster House behave more like teams participating in a sport, tribal crap, and it serves us (the very ones who employ them) very poorly indeed. and we’re not absolved of blame either – they are after all employed by us, these people are a reflection of us. But is Leinster House really the best thing we can do? could we not eliminate the tribal thinking, just put the right people from across the board with the right talent and interest in the right position to serve Ireland? it’s like a huge anchor weighing us down. and it serves the narrow interests of the few instead of the wider interests of society.
every generation we repeat this conversation.
this is where I’m at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland
@golden
If Brexit, Trump, Fidesz, Salvatini, and on, and on, has thought us anything, it’s that people will vote for people offering simple solutions to complex problems.
“Vote for SF – they will increase spending, increase social welfare, build thousands of houses @ €30k a pop, all the while cutting income taxes and abolishing carbon taxes, and property tax”
Sounds all very well and good, but does not actually translate to the real world.
Critical Care Figures Cast Doubt on ‘Second Wave’
Neville Hodgkinson is former medical and science correspondent of the Daily Mail and Sunday Times.
“,,,after the huge spike that occurred in April, caused by COVID-19’s arrival, the monthly totals are either about the same, or less, than in all the previous years.”
“I suspect now that a key reason for the panic was high-level knowledge that the virus was a chimera – a product of so-called “gain-of-function” genetic engineering at China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, part-financed by America’s National Institutes of Health, making it both more infectious and more damaging than existing coronaviruses. Despite very quick denials from the Chinese Government and others claiming a natural origin, considerable evidence points in this direction.”
https://lockdownsceptics.org/critical-care-in-the-last-five-years/
Neville Hodgkinson?
Former… wonder why?
Lives in a shed.
While the cults’ mansion is being plumbed.
You are so brave Daisy
https://twitter.com/i/status/1337879910539399168
Whether the virus was genetically modified or not, the best evidence for its origin currently points to virus samples that were taken back in 2012 from the infected lungs of Chinese miners who had been working in a bat-infested mineshaft near Mojiang in southwest China at that time. The samples were collected, stored and researched by the Wuhan Institute of Virology..
Early on in the pandemic there was a paper published in the medical journal, Nature Medicine,
which was dismissive of the lab origin theory and which proposed the wet market origin. It was widely cited in international media at the time. However, since then, the wet market theory has become discredited and major scientific flaws have been exposed with that original paper published in Nature Medicine. Despite this, the media has given scant attention to the developing story.
This account is worth reading: https://jonathanlatham.net/a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/
(by a virologist and geneticist, Jonathan Latham, PhD and Allison Wilson, PhD )
Well a gain of function would explain the OTT reaction of the authorities, at least in the early days and given Fauci’s involvement with the Wuhan lab- it is not like they are ever going to admit to it.
What I don’t understand is what happened to the Australian vaccine- why would they need HIV remnants in the first place? And, why would false HIV positives stop the trails when they knew it was going flag up beforehand?
DR TOM JEFFERSON: As people test positive WEEKS after they stop being infectious, why I fear this mania for mass Covid testing is a hugely expensive blunder
“All precision has been sacrificed and instead we are blundering through – imprisoning people in their homes, further crippling the economy long after the infection has vanished.”
“We must reach agreed laboratory standards for how swabs are processed so that one result can be meaningfully compared with another. And we must bring this indiscriminate regime of mass tests to a halt, concentrating instead on those who have good reason to believe they have the virus.
The alternative is yet more agonising muddle and delay. More needless damage to lives and livelihoods, more pointless suffering.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9046363/DR-TOM-JEFFERSON-fear-mania-mass-Covid-testing-hugely-expensive-blunder.html
even God takes Sunday off, SOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyK8ZeabJJg
If this true- it’s big.
Major leak ‘exposes’ members and ‘lifts the lid’ on the Chinese Communist Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OumhrE6JV3A
Popular in Cork as it happens. https://everpress.com/feckfgfeckff
Covid Cola.? https://thewashingtonstandard.com/austria-mp-tests-coca-cola-for-covid-in-front-of-parliament-guess-what-the-results-were-video/