Grimbo [Updated]

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This afternoon.

Earlier…

This afternoon.

Earlier…

From top: Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe; Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications and Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan and Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly arriving at Dublin Castle this morning

This morning.

Dublin Castle, Dublin 2

Via RTÉ News:

The Cabinet has agreed that people can travel beyond their county until the end of St Stephen’s Day, 26 December, RTÉ News understands.

The changes will allow people after 26 December to stay where they are at that point and travel back to their own home later. However, there will be no new inter-county travel allowed after that date..

From 1 January no household mixing will be allowed except for compassionate reasons.

No new inter-county travel after 26 Dec, Cabinet agrees (RTÉ)

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  1. broadbag

    Is it possible that the people railing against restrictions are the very same people causing the restrictions through their reckless and dim-witted selfishness, or is it all unavoidable no matter what efforts people make and therefore we should indeed make no effort?

    1. dan

      Or is it possible that this is over reaction? Numbers in Hospital are lower than they ever have been but this shower of morons panic

      1. Cian

        Numbers in hospital with Covid are 237; this is an increase of 47 since a local minimum 10 days ago;
        they peaked at 354 on 27 October;

        The numbers we under 50 for all of July and August.

        ICU are down to 28 from a peak of 44 on 1se November.

        However the number of cases is also on the way up which is indicative of more Covid which will lead to more hospitalisations and deaths.

        1. Micko

          Hang on there a sec Chicken Licken, sure it was 150 odd in ICU’s during the first peak and ze sky did not fall in ;)

          Anyway, follow the restrictions of you want, don’t if you don’t – It’ll be grand either way.

          1. Cian

            Exactly.
            First peak we had 150 in ICU and 1,400 dead;
            Second peak we had 45 in ICU and ‘only’ 300 dead.

    2. Jim

      The latter. Spain had masks mandated on streets and full lockdown, cases skyrocketed. Virus going to do what it’s going to do. Take your vit D, buy some ivermectin and let’s all drop the pantomime. This poo’s endemic.

      1. SOQ

        Yup- Spain imposed a very strict lockdown and made masks mandatory, even outdoors. Despite this the number of cases in Spain rose sharply in October. Mandatory social distancing/mask wearing does not work.

        1. Andrew Caffrey

          That’s interesting.. so you peddled the whole Sweden are great, doing fantastic and not a Lockdown in site for the early party of the year to validate your belief that masks don’t work and now Sweden are up the swanny you’ve moved to Spain and how their ultra Lockdown didn’t work and this now ‘validates’ that masks don’t work.

          You don’t seem to know your rectum from your elbow and you’ve done nothing but spout absolute pony about masks since the start, poisonous nonsense.

          You need to stop talking.

          1. ce

            And I’m sure you’re too humble to mention that you are in fact the Nobel Laureate that made the discovery…

    3. frank

      There very sadly seems to be no measures are dear leaders can put in place to stop elderly compromised people dying, but by god they will try and like Canute they will endeavour at all cost to prevent the inevitable.
      Not all heroes wear capes.

      1. Micko

        I tells ya Mehole is fierce boring isn’t he…

        Every speech is that same. He may as well just stand there with a big sign saying ‘Careful Now’

        Bring back the gay lad with the nice ties, at least he’d throw in an aul movie quote or two – just to keep us on our toes.

        Now THAT’S entertainment baby!!

    4. f_lawless

      On the 5th November the taoiseach was interviewed on the RTE 6 o’clock news about the upcoming lifting of level 5 restrictions. He said that because the number of new cases was now apparently less than before, that this should give us all “a good stretch” (his words) over the the Christmas period.

      The implication being that the upcoming easing of restrictions had already been decided by the government as only temporary, then it would be back to more of the same – although the interviewer didn’t press him on that at the time.

      Cue some more faulty modelling based on the increasingly discredited PCR testing technology and as expected we’re heading back to more of the same. But not to despair, today the taoiseach says “There’s light at the end of the tunnel. Vaccines are on the way!”

      It’s the carrot and stick approach

        1. Cian

          OMG that is a dreadful mess of selectively pulling statistics and quotes.

          example, it says: “According to official figures by the ONS, the coronavirus (COVID-19) did not feature in the top ten leading causes of death for deaths registered in September 2020, in England or Wales.”
          …which is true, but it neglects to say that for October:

          In October 2020, there were 43,265 deaths registered in England, 2,713 deaths more than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for October; in Wales, there were 2,992 deaths registered, 258 deaths more than the five-year average for October.

          The leading cause of death in October 2020 was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease […] while the coronavirus (COVID-19) was the third most common cause of death in both England and Wales (6.9% of all deaths in England and 7.9% of all deaths in Wales).

          and then November:

          In November 2020, there were 47,910 deaths registered in England, 6,241 deaths more than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for November; in Wales, there were 3,363 deaths registered, 576 deaths more than the five-year average for November.

          The coronavirus (COVID-19) was the leading cause of death in November 2020 for the first time since May 2020 in both England (accounting for 18.1% of all deaths registered in November) and Wales (21.6% of all deaths); looking at all deaths registered in January to November 2020, COVID-19 was the second most common cause of death in England and Wales (after dementia and Alzheimer’s disease).
          https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020

        2. f_lawless

          Related: Irish science journalist, Peter Andrews, gives to the background to the unfolding story here

          https://www.rt.com/op-ed/509163-covid-19-test-flawed-withdrawn/

          An international team of 22 medical experts recently performed their own peer-review on the paper upon which the protocols for most of Covid-19 PCR testing done around the world is based upon. They found “10 fatal flaws” with the paper and have demanded that Eurosurveillance, the journal that published the original research, retract it at once.

          1. SOQ

            Yes I seen that. They are using a test that was never designed for purpose and not fit for purpose as reason to impose crippling lockdowns on entire countries.

            Malfeasance- there is no other word for it.

  2. bisted

    …at the end of the news bulletin I heard it was revealed that the number of new cases for today had risen to over 900…the last time the government dithered and ignored NPHET advice at least revealed the threshold where the most vulnerable in nursing homes would have their very high defences breached was when the new infection number exceeded 1000…that’ll be tomorrow…and the governments reaction…reduce defences and encourage visits…but…xmas…

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      A death in Wexford related to the superspreader funeral in Ramsgrange. But ratlickers don’t care because they can’t go to the pub for new year’s eve.

      1. Micko

        No pubs eh?

        Well I guess it’ll just be house parties so!

        Besides pubs are so last decade – they don’t even have Playstations FFS

        Ho hum…

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          This death is directly linked to a pub who held the wake for a couple of hundred mourners, no masks or social distancing. So, yeah, pubs.

          1. Hank

            Yes, you’re so right. It is the fault of all pubs that this happened. And if the pub hadn’t facilitated these people, they definitely wouldn’t have gathered in a house to have their wake festivities.
            You should join NPHET. They’d love your joined up thinking.

    2. johnnythree

      I’m not trolling now but what is the problem with 900 cases? Really?
      I could not give a toss about 900 cases. They may not translate into ICU or beds even. Our testing is bananas.
      Of course we are going to find cases – its a virus (that mutates) but yet we are all freaking out about it because we are testing like crazy. Level 5 will make no difference because we will be back to square one within a few weeks after we reduce to Level 4 or whatever.

      1. bisted

        …no worries…the 900 new cases don’t give a toss about you, or me…but…regardless of what we think, there is a direct link between the number of new cases and the number of people requiring hospitalisation…you may not be one for book recommendations but a few pages from Modelling for Dummies might be a revelation…

        1. johnnythree

          @bidsted That was a bit uncalled for. I was asking a question. There is a direct link ( as Cian outlines below) but it is not always upwards, direct or the same. The outcomes for the same amount of cases were much different first time round. Better medication, more knowledge etc have played a part. Even so, the reduction in ICU and fatalities (relatively stable) this time round is interesting no? I’m sorry you felt you had to personalise a question that was very open.

      2. Cian

        Because infectious diseases spread exponentially.

        ‘only’ 900 becomes 1800… becomes 3,600…becomes 7,200… becomes 14,200;

        If you look at the data across the works there is a clear link between an increase in cases, followed by an increase in hospitalisations/ICU, followed by deaths. (real deaths, not labelling deaths that would have occurred anyways as Covid – but excess mortality, more deaths than expected for the time of year)

        1. johnnythree

          @cian not always. I find this interesting. This time last year we had a lot of people in hospital with flu. Equally not nice but no media attention. In the current case we are not seeing a translation into over-run ICU even though there are more cases. I think the ‘more’ cases are the asymptomatics that were not being found before but they don’t tend to drive more infection. Our ICU is currently 10% occupied by covid patients with an average age of 65+
          Thoughts?

          1. Cian

            Not really true, it was peak flu and one report said:

            People with the flu or flu-symptoms are currently making up half of all patients in hospital emergency departments waiting to be admitted to beds, adding to the serious strain on the health service in recent weeks.

            At least 18 people have died from the illness so far this season with up to 100 people expected to die before the flu season ends.

            Image that – 18 flu deaths between October and December 2019.
            There have been 360+ Covid deaths since 1 October.

            But, Covid’s just a auld flu.

            https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/flu-outbreak-linked-to-18-deaths-and-strain-on-emergency-departments-1.4125414

  3. Dr.Fart

    Oul Mister Burns .. he’s so hard to listen to. Such boring Sunday Mass vibes off him. Anyway, looks like another lazily put together lockdown which isn’t really a lockdown except for pubs being closed again. I’m sure I’ll still see the three building sites surrounding my house full of builders, the roads busy with traffic, people going to their non-essential work places. All that, except no haircuts or pints. They need to put together an actual, thought-out lockdown plan. These ones do nothing.

    1. Anti Bots

      You’re right, Goo, nothing to see here. No pandemic. No people dying. Let’s just have a great big party. Shure it’s all the govt’s fault.

      Or else come up with some solutions, other than attending funerals in mass numbers.

        1. Cian

          Hmm… looks like the curfews were working in California. See that plateau a week later?

          And the what happened on 26th November?Just before the California numbers rocketed?

          1. SOQ

            If you think California’s lock down is reflected in that graph then Spec Savers.

            And what was that about correlation not implying causation.again?

      1. GiggidyGoo

        ROFL. Yep you sure have it bad. Enough of you and your pals surely at this stage making fools of yourselves. LOL

    1. Junkface

      Ha ha! You can’t talk sense to a brick wall, as we’re finding out.

      It will be some job de-radicalizing the hordes of facebook conspiracy huffers after the pandemic.

      Meanwhile….Ivor Cummins continues to smell his own farts of self fulfillment.

      1. Junkface

        Aye, I saw this reported on the Intercept too. Jesus, the grifters out there. You can make a lot of money grifting nonsense in America, especially to Trump fans and others who are reality challenged.

    1. Hank

      Yeah, that’s been an interesting trend. It’s always just been advice but the media has reported it each time as “You are not allowed..”

    1. Anti Bots

      It definitely must by the Queen – is that not embarrassing? Your’re up there with Charger. Surely you should not be criticizing our politicians?

    2. Lilly

      ‘Same cacks on for ten weeks…’ cackle cackle. ‘Poor man’s Sharon NiBheolain’, is that her sussed?

        1. Lilly

          Haha, yes that was funny. But not the bit about O’Neill working in TileStyle or wherever. Dustin is a bit hit and miss.

          1. Lilly

            I thought Claire would challenge him and say, ‘how do you know I’ve had the same cacks on for ten weeks?’ but that might have been asking for trouble.

    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      funny :)
      ironic…. because I’d say there have been more friends lost, neighbors ready to kill each other and divorce on the way !

      1. Junkface

        I really hope people can take a step back from the madness and see what’s important. :)

        Don’t drive each other nuts, remember to get yourself some personal space where you can. I know this is a luxury for many depending on the housing situation, but we all need it. And exercise! My God I have noticed how much exercise affects my mood and energy since November.

        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          I always knew it but really noticed a dip in my patience , general upbeatness and enthusiasm since I can’t run

          1. Junkface

            Have you ever tried low impact aerobics workouts? There’s loads of them on youtube that you can try even if you can’t run. I didn’t fancy running in the cold and rain last weekend so I decided to try. I must say the last one I did in the living room felt amazing afterwards. Almost a buzz from it!

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            yeah I’m doing light weights and preggo yoga, tbh it’s the long runs I miss , I only really start to zone out at 10km,
            sure I’d be the antichrist if I did nothing hahahahahahaha ( laughs a little too long and desperately )

          3. Junkface

            Ah I see, if you are pregnant then fair play to you getting any exercise! Must be very difficult.

            Maybe I should try preggo Yoga. What could go wrong?

            I find the zoning out starts happening after 4 km when running, music tempo is essential. How do people run without music? The mind boggles. I only run 6 km ish, 10km sounds like a lot.

          4. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            I like the odd marathon myself,. probably why I feel caged,
            I hear ya on the music, I love screaching along in the dark :)

      2. Lilly

        I could have predicted to a man the friends who would respond with a poker up their arse, slavishly following all rules even where they defy logic – and at the other end of the spectrum, the ones who were out marching, quoting the latest conspiracy theorist with the zeal of a Jehovah’s Witness and sending me 55-minute YouTube videos. I forgive them all.

          1. millie bobby brownie

            You’ve got more goodwill than me Lilly. There are some people I’d cheerfully throttle.

  4. Jimmy TwoShoes

    Leo playing the big man and throwing Tony under the bus a while ago looks a bit foolish now. Although he’s probably hoping no one remembers

    1. Micko

      Well, If no one remembers the point of this thing was to “flatten the curve” and not overload the ICU’s then they’re not gonna remember what the lovely Leo said two months ago ;)

      1. Hank

        Flatten the curve and not overload the ICUs to give the government time to increase ICU capacity. Which they didn’t do.
        But sure y’know, it’s still all our own fault. We are the naughty children and Tony and Mehole are our exasperated parents..

        1. Cian

          “Flatten the curve and not overload the ICUs to give the government time to increase ICU capacity”

          Where did you get the second part from? When did any government say they wanted to flatten the curve to give them time to increase ICU?

  5. Nomad

    How can anyone take what this criminal says seriously, he illegally leaked documents, get Micheal Martin to give this announcement at least.

    1. Micko

      Now now Jimmy, we’re all inclusive around here nowadays.

      What about those of us who have families and are weirdos but are also loved, but would just like to see the back of “certain family members”.

      Fur instance; My father in law has been a real pain in the nutsack lately and maybe a few weeks in hospital would out some manners on him.

      “Can’t provide for his daughter – I’ll show him…the SOB”

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