136 thoughts on “New Year’s Day’s Papers

  1. Morning George

    I can’t imagine that GSOC will find the actions of the guards was excessive.Whether it was or not, there must surely be a multitude of non-lethal ways to subdue somebody.Shooting the legs, if you have to use guns.Do the garda use dogs at all?

    1. Rosette of Sirius

      I shall only say this. It’s usually in only the most extreme of circumstances that a Garda will fire their weapon and certainly an that leads to a fatality is rare in the extreme. I may well be corrected but I believe the last time was 2005. I think we have been somewhat desensitized to extra judicial shootings and in particular from those in other jurisdictions, but here it’s almost once in a generation. So. Please mind the knee jerk. From all aspects of the event. It’s taken very very seriously.

      1. Morning George

        No knee jerk reaction apparent here (yet) unless you are referring events in Blanch,people surrounding a bus,intimidation of commuters anywhere near the protest,etc.Just because this type of killing is uncommon does not mean it is warranted.From what I hear the murdered man had something of a record for violence,but I still think there are always ways to avoid execution.

        1. Rosette of Sirius

          Blanchardstown is the last place I’d want to be right now. Especially if I was a Garda. But your speculation as to what GSOC will or won’t find, is knee jerk. Our police don’t make the habit of running around shooting people. I’m confident that this event will be fully investigated and all will be revealed when it reaches the Coroner’s Court.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            of course, he did

            he’s champing at the bit for a pile-on discussion about immigrants

            dont take his bait

          2. GiggidyGoo

            No I didn’t. No time at the moment. But BB rolls up, yet again, with a racist comment. Same as yesterday. BB no longer a closet racist then.

            But, rosette, you didn’t answer – is there something racist about your statement? BB seems to think it is?

          3. Brother Barnabas

            I – very obviously – did not make a racist comment. even by your standards, that’s just a stupid comment

            and I – very obviously- did not suggest rossette’s contained any racist aspect. again, even by your standards, that’s just stupid

            you do, however, have an established and longstanding record of deplorable anti-immigrant utterances. deny that?

          4. Rosette of Sirius

            Firstly the content I have seen is not that different to incidents in any part of the country when there are high levels of volatility in an area – for whatever the reason. Could be summer scraps on the beaches of north County Dublin. Could be the demolition of a Lidl in Tallaght with a stolen digger following mob looting because the roads were inaccessible to the Gardai. KCould be gang fighting in Mount Oval, Cork….

            Sog’wan outta that for starters.

            My point being that when an incident, like the one under discussion occurs, it’s going to be very very difficult to police. And should I be a Garda, it’s the last place I’d want to spend my NYE be cause lord knows what you’ll have had to deal with before the end of your shift.

          5. GiggidyGoo

            BB – links to the long history of racist comments if you don’t mind please. And ‘someone else said so’ doesn’t cut it.

          6. Brother Barnabas

            nope, soz, giggz- there’s a desperate patheticness to trawling the site for old comments, so I’ll leave that to you

            but, again, anyone who has paid any attention to your comments going back over the last whatever will know what I’m referring to

          7. GiggidyGoo

            BB. Sure I knew you wouldn’t. You couldn’t. You didn’t pay much attention.
            Yesterday’s excuse was ‘someone else said it’.
            You obviously think you can get away with bandying about accusations. When called out you run as far away as possible. You’ve a record of it mind you. tsk tsk.

          8. GiggidyGoo

            Rosette – I’ve had a chance to look at various videos. My reaction? Blanchardstown is in deep trouble. There are mobs basically, assaulting at will, over running shopping centers putting the fear of god into shoppers, brawling at a petrol station, threatening van driver, threatening Gardai.

            I’m reading that the gentleman had a machete, had been tazered etc. but still couldn’t be controlled and was a danger to the gardai. Had he gone into his home (which the family had been moved to from another house) you could easily have been in a hostage situation with his own family being in danger (looks like he had mental problems?) and the the gardai would be blamed for anything that happened to them. Lose lose situation. In fact, if he did have mental problems, then shouldn’t the HSE have had an input prior to all of this?

            The commentary on some of the videos – No doubt Helen McEntees hate crime laws will be used.

          9. GiggidyGoo

            No, Rosette. I didn’t think so. BB stuck his oar in, mentioned ‘racist’ so I just asked the question.
            You’re about as racist as I am = not so.
            I think my contribution has a bit more substance than the likes of BB, and sorry you jumped to conclusions. (the g’wan outta that line)

            I think I made some valid points ?

          10. Rosette of Sirius

            Well. You both have form with each other. And you were first to use the ‘R’ word in my direction to which I objected to.

            I also don’t believe that BB was espousing any racist sentiment to be frank. Just a jibe your way regarding your alleged views on immigration of which I can’t really comment on as I’ve not paid any attention to. You then dragged my good ‘avatar’ into your Donnybrook with him. I have no idea what your views on that matter so we shall leave at that.

          11. Bitnboxy

            Isn’t Giggidybot well known as overtly racist on this site from previous crusades against immigration? I know the Bot from their hard line anti-HPV vaccine stance and of late anti-everything. Still, Giggidybot is literally in no position to be calling anyone out for being racist.

            Utter slime.

      2. Cian

        I agree with you – but there was a case in 2018 where the guy that murdered Jastine Valdez was shot in the shoulder and died.

          1. bisted

            …ominously, the Chinese year of the rat doesn’t end until 11th Feb…and it’s only the first in the 12 year Chinese zodiac cycle…oh no…I’m starting to sound like one of those foil hat nutjobs…

          2. Brother Barnabas

            and 6 + 6 + 6 equals 18, which, i understand to be the number of tony holohan’s house

            are you naive enough to believe this to be a coincidence?

            I’m just asking the question

    2. John F

      I don’t know man, there seems to be an awful lot of self appointed firearms experts in various comments sections might now.
      I don’t know what happened, I wasn’t there. The guy who was shot dead was reportedly brandishing a bladed weapon.
      There is a reasonable argument to be made for members of the armed response unit to be kitted out with body cameras to prevent future speculation.

      1. Morning George

        With our limited view of events and instinct to trust to the authorities to fill in the blanks for us, this is the obvious and easiest conclusion to make.Cameras are a must.

      2. Charger Salmons

        Calling Bruce Poirot in Australia – you’re nearly 11,000 miles away from the scene.
        How could you possibly have any idea who was in the right or wrong ?
        That’s what the independent investigation is meant to find out.
        Why not quit your inane jibber-jabber about stuff you clearly know nothing about until the findings are known.

    3. Ger

      Shooting the legs? What do your think this is, hollywood?
      A man with a violent past attacked several people, them he lunged at a Garda with a machete. They shot him, fatally wounding him.
      This is a terrible tragedy for everyone.

    4. SB

      Every single police officer in the world is trained to shoot at only one place, the centre body mass. The only place likely to stop the person. Shooting limbs is a Hollywood invention. The Justine Valdez murderer’s shoulder shooting only emphasises this – they would have been aiming at the middle of the chest. If they had aimed at the shoulder, they would have missed.

    5. Joe

      On numerous occasions e.g. Mountjoy prison officers have had to subdue a prisoner who is armed with a shiv (improvised knife often as lethal as a machete) they wear riot gear body armour, use full body shields and batons and in a rehearsed manner, take down and subdue an armed prisoner. The same could have been used in this instance, the Gardai knew they were dealing with someone armed with a knife not an automatic weapon

      1. David J

        But as the Gardaí weren’t wearing riot gear when they were charged at with a dangerous weapon, what course of action should they have taken?
        Also, a prison is an enclosed area so they have time to get ready while the offender hasn’t got far to run, this incident happened in a housing estate when he could potentially move about and hurt a lot of people.

    1. Slightly Bemused

      This is it! Don’t get scared now!

      Happy New Year to you :-) And, as you say, hopefully it will be a happy news year

  2. John F

    Happy New Year, my fellow social degenerates. May the year to come all be successful for all of you!

  3. Slightly Bemused

    I thought I might drop this here. George Michael’s fantastic Killer/Papa was a rolling stone.
    I just watched Rocketman for the first time, and so had to look up his Don’t Let The Sun Go Down on Me with Elton, and of course one thing led to another down the rabbit hole of music.

    I could not find the live video, a certain website is being very obtuse. And sincere apologies for the ads. But I tend to listen anyway, although the video was electric! But I lost the link when my old computer decided to do the blue screen of death. If anyone finds it, I would appreciate the link.

    I hope you enjoy


    1. Charger Salmons

      I’m not sure what you’re wanting me to get together as the link you posted is behind the FT pay wall with no indications from it or you what the latest nonsense is you’re spouting.
      Up your game and stop the embarrassment.

      1. V AKA Frilly Keane

        You don’t have a subscription to the FT Charage

        UK and EU agree one-year grace period on rules of origin forms
        Carmakers among businesses set to benefit from extra time to adapt to post-Brexit arrangements

        Companies exporting goods between the UK and the EU will not have to fill in customs forms declaring their goods are locally made for a year after the Brexit deal comes into force, offering industries temporary relief from some of the new red tape they face after Brexit.

        Britain’s formal departure from the EU single market and customs union at 11pm on New Year’s Eve means that, from Friday, businesses face a wave of new bureaucracy and checks at ports.

        HM Revenue & Customs estimates the post-Brexit arrangements will add £7bn of bureaucracy to the costs of doing business with the EU.

        BTW you can read that first line as carmakers getting another year to make arrangements to get out’ve the place

        Anyone keeping a track of the trucks already refused passage
        either at Hollyhead or from Dover?

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Companies would have not to have filled in a ‘form’ (Certificate of Origin, or EUR 1 form) for customs for each shipment anyway. Up to €6000 value, they could make a declaration on the invoice or the packing list without problems. Above €6000 they could likewise make such a declaration as long as they are a registered exporter (REX).

          This exemption lasts until December 2021. Nothing to do with Car Manufacturers at all, as they would also be REX – registered anyway, unless they’re complete fools. It’s overall … any companies.

          The trucks refused passage is due to export documents, PBN, GVMS, (to mention a small few procedures) not being completed in time and properly. It’s a minefield at this point in time, as it’s new.

          Interestingly, quite a lot of UK and EU companies haven’t prepared properly for Brexit. Household names you wouldn’t believe. Currently chasing their tail in order to try organize clearance agents (many who have closed their books to new business).

          The reporting, and ‘experts’ on the media isn’t up to much to be honest.

          Monday is going to be quite fun when freight starts moving in earnest again.

          Exporters or their Customs agent must complete a SAD form prior to loading.
          The transport company must get the references off that form in order to complete a PBM.
          The importer, say in the UK, must get an import entry done, which produces a MRN, which in turn produces a GVMS reference.
          any failure in that causes non shipment.

          1. V AKA Frilly Keane

            I’m still shocked at you not having a sub for the FT Charage

            As for figuring out how Brexit is actually going to look like – one day at a time
            Shur’ even that Fanny come lately could have told yis that

          2. GiggidyGoo

            … any failure in that mechanism causes non-shipment.

            Exporters must classify their products with the EU Taric codes. Simple in a lot of cases, but if you’re exporting foodstuffs it’s a lot more complicated as health carts / phytosanitary certs have to be issued 24 hours before shipment, and the routing must be put on those documents.
            Think that’s awkward? Well take the likes of sweets or confectionary products that contain animal products or by-products, and sugars, glucose etc. Getting a Taric number is quite daunting. Plus, they also have to get health certs/phytosanitary certs etc.

            And if you look at it that a lot of such sweets and confectionary would move in pallet lots (as part of many different shipments on a truck) rather than full loads, you can begin to understand the bull that’s going to hit the fan.

            And that’s not even getting started on a truck load of, say, Amazon products with hundreds of consignees = hundreds of customs entries (even in simplified format)

            There’s very little simple as a matter of fact.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            V – are you calling me Charger? ROFL.

            As regards Brexit – please don’t write rubbish about something you know little about.
            It’s not one day at a time. It’s all having the knowledge to deal with it. That’s in short supply generally unfortunately. Guessing doesn’t cut it. Stick to what you know – financials.

  4. f_lawless

    I firmly believe that a first step on the long road to recovery as a nation must be to confront the reality that the current relationship between state and citizens is highly toxic. Study after study has now reached the same conclusion that lockdowns have failed to achieve their intended objective. It’s made evident by the fact that there’s been no association between lockdowns and reduced Covid deaths when examined globally. Those who claim otherwise are simply cherrypicking data.

    And yet our own government persists with the same failed policy. It’s like the behaviour of a manipulative sociopath who’s unwilling accept responsibility for mistakes made but instead is quite prepared to gaslight their partner and inflict prolonged suffering in a bid to impose their own self-serving narrative on reality and protect their reputation

    Worth a read:

    “Lockdowns have become central to any discussion of Covid-19. The assumption that lockdown is the only way to prevent Covid deaths has become embedded in mainstream thinking. Apparently, the only permitted questions are if we are locking down early enough, hard enough or for long enough. Lockdown has similarly become the default response to rises in cases (though sometimes these now take local rather than national form). But the conventional wisdom that more lockdown means fewer deaths simply does not hold true in the real world. There is globally no association, let alone causation, between lockdowns and Covid deaths…..”

    Happy New Year to you all. Thanks Bodger and Co for tolerating a range of opinions in the comment sections!

    1. Cian

      But if you look at Ireland there is a very clear relationship between lockdown and the drop in rates of infection, hospitaliastion, and death.

      Look at our second wave in October (versus UK, Belgium, Spain, Italy) and how it was stopped in October.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        66% of deaths were due to outbreaks of Covid 19 in hospitals or nursing homes. What has created a clear relationship there?

      2. SOQ

        Amazing how selective Cian is in his use of Irish data- basically only when it suits.

        There is a very clear relationship between SEASONS and the drop in rates of infection, hospitaliastion, and death. A pattern replicated all over the northern hemisphere- but why on earth would we assume that this corona virus will behave like other members of its family eh? Sure there is no fear in that.

        @f_lawless- there is light at the end of the tunnel. Portugal has ruled that PCR tests are unreliable and the same is likely in Germany- which is huge. The very data from which public policy is based will be deemed ‘not fit for purpose’.

        Once that happens- either a street mobilisation on the same scale as the water protests or a legal action with the threat of criminal prosecutions to follow- my money is on the second.

          1. SOQ

            No idea what that means, but I expect it is a sark as that is your go to postilion when nothing else to say.

            If these people knowingly locked down the country on bad data then they deserve to be prosecuted.

          2. Brother Barnabas

            I think people who wilfully encourage others to disregard prudent public health advice, resulting in a dangerous spike in cases – endangering lives and livelihoods – should be prosecuted

          3. Nigel

            ‘If these people knowingly locked down the country on bad data then they deserve to be prosecuted.’

            Big Trump voter-fraud court-case vibe off this notion.

        1. Cian

          yes, there seems to be a seasonal aspect to this. But the winter season started in September and looks like it will run to April/May (based on the only data we have – 2020). The winter season is far from over.

          Ireland managed to avoid a huge spike of cases, hospitalisations, and deaths. Unlike UK, Belgium, Spain, Italy.

      1. f_lawless

        I don’t find that opinion piece very compelling. . According to the article, ““The speed of China’s response was the crucial factor” because a “raft of rigorous countermeasures” introduced in late January after “the first reported case in late December 2019” . But there’s no data given to back that narrative up. And the narrative looks all the shakier considering that despite the first case being officially reported in late December by the Chinese authorities, it’s now believed they had confirmed cases which dated back to at least mid November 2019.

        In Italy, the virus has been confirmed as circulating as early as September 2019. In the US cases have identified dating from mid-December. The virus was circulating in China and beyond well before initially thought. On top of that there’s the satellite imagery of outside Wuhan’s hospitals which show a major surge in visitors dating from the period late August 2019 to December. According to this BBC article: “The traffic spike coincided with a rise in online searches for information on symptoms like “cough” and “diarrhoea”‘. Circumstantial but intriguing nonetheless.

        From what I read previously, even according to China’s official data the infection rate had already peaked before measures were first introduced. I find more compelling the experts who believe that the presence of high levels of preexisting cross- immunity in the Chinese population due to prior exposure to similar SARS-like viruses better explain the reason why the virus had a relatively low impact there.

        But even if it were somehow true that the reason for China’s success was because they imposed severe restrictions early enough in the pandemic, it doesn’t justify the Irish government’s decision to continue to impose new lockdowns at this late stage. The virus is already endemic.

        As an aside, I remember back in May Varadkar said in the Dail that it was “very possible” the virus was already here in Ireland by 2019 and he promised “further research and retroactive testing to give us a better idea of Ireland’s first cases”, “time will tell” he said.. Seems like that’s now been memory-holed. Might be politically inconvenient

        1. Nigel

          ‘The virus is already endemic’

          No it isn’t, certainly not compared to, say, Northern Ireland.

          1. f_lawless

            I’m not sure you thought hard enough on that comment out before posting it. Viruses don’t observe what are effectively imaginary borders on this small island. If its endemic in the North its endemic in the South

          2. Nigel

            The numbers on this side and the numbers on the other suggest something more than an imaginary border at work.

          3. Cian

            Viruses don’t observe what are effectively imaginary borders on this small island.
            It depends. If a virus spreads via human contact then it observes whatever borders that humans observe. If people observe the border on this island and choose not to cross it, then the virus won’t cross it either.

            I don’t know what the movement patterns are in the border counties and if people (in general) cross/avoid the border.

    2. GiggidyGoo

      Quote of the day… “Reid said that case numbers are likely now hitting 3,000 per day, but a legacy computer system used to log cases is unable to manage the volume of cases that labs are now processing.” (reported in the Journal). So the data is now bad data. Call John Bruton quick…he loves Big Data

      That actually sums up how ‘professional’ our HSE, NPHET, Government are handling this. A f’* excel database would handle the data. So, they spent (wasted) millions on bad PPE and hand sanitizer, but couldn’t go down to PCWorld and buy a f* PC and Office 365.

          1. millie bobby brownie

            Something like that. A pot of tea and toast with peanut butter and banana.

            Sounds ridiculous but actually a decent hangover cure.

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            fair I usually go eggs or if handy sashimi and hair of the dog,
            I have smugly forgotten what hangovers feel like tho, sticks out tounge

          3. millie bobby brownie

            Oh god even the thought of eggs….

            Last night was the first time I’ve managed to get really drunk since before young sir came along and I’d forgotten how horrific hangovers can be. I’m almost envious of you.

          4. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            lol, I’m sure it was a good idea at the time, best to you and your family this year missus

          5. Charger Salmons

            x 2 for the peanut butter and banana on toast.
            And a nice pot of breakfast tea.
            Although Lady Charger has just delivered a bacon sarnie to me in bed ( red sauce obvs ) with strict instructions to be up within the hour as we have chums arriving at five for a few scoops and a nosebag.
            It never ends…

          6. Clampers Outside

            No red sauce on the bacon sarnies, please.

            Just. NO!

            … bit o’ real butter onn a fresh white pan is all.

          7. Micko

            Wait till he’s older and you have to hide the hangover from em Millie.

            Oh the shame.

            That’s where I am today ;)

            “Daddy just needs 5 more mins in bed Love”

          8. Papi

            Sober as a judge last night, my high horse is exceedingly high today.
            (Didn’t get high, either)
            Tonight, however, well……

          9. Brother Barnabas

            it’s fine, repro

            charger’s “friends” are all from within his own, let’s say, “bubble”

  5. Kate

    I’d say to the protesters in Dublin -get in off the streets . There is no justification in arming yourself with a knife and entering shops assaulting and terrorising staff and the public. Secondly , if the suspect is located and repeatedly told to drop his weapon and doesn’t, then realize garda will protect each other. It’s that simple.

      1. Kate

        Broadsheet can dispel this notion . I’m a real Kate. I love Chargers posts , sense of humour, I won’t deny that. And I enjoy GiddidyGoo tremendously. Charger is my ideal dinner party guest, witty, informative, British and proud of it. And I’ve no doubt he doesn’t have a limp handshake.

          1. Papi

            Kate “the pegger” Salmons.

            Kate , quick tip , don’t finish your sentence with a space and then the full stop or comma . It’s charger to a T .

            Heh heh heh

          2. Rosette of Sirius

            So know we know what he means when Mrs. Salmons stuffs him full of stollen….

            That’s the ‘Fagging System’ for yah!

            Ouchie x 3

          3. goldenbrown

            I’m laying the blame for all of this durt talk ↓ ↑ firmly at your doorstep

            little miss millie innocent

          4. millie bobby brownie

            I take full responsibility for dragging broadsheet right down to the gutter press.

        1. Charger Salmons

          May I just say what wonderful taste you have Kate…
          I think it’s important that no matter what one’s views are a little humour always helps.
          Whenever I see the poor saps on here who trail after me begging for attention that is never forthcoming and then pour out their frustration and anger as a result I worry about their sanity.It can’t be good for them.Lighten up dudes as the kids say.
          Anyway, I love your positive attitude to life Kate.I’m sure like me you’re hugely optimistic about the new year.
          And the handshake ? Never limp and none of that High Five nonsense.

  6. Gabby

    UP YOURS 2020 and A YEAR TO FORGET etc.
    I doubt these splashing headlines. I think what happened in 2020 may have taught a lot of people in Europe some home truths about the human condition. I won’t go into detail, but it should be obvious to many that the hectic consumer way of life being widely enjoyed by millions until the Covid shutdown in March was a fools’ paradise that could not be sustained.

  7. Dr.Fart

    broadsheet is really leaning into it’s name now. literally just posting newspaper front pages and nothing else. it clearly doesnt matter as the comments sections are busy, as people only really use the site to argue with each other about current affairs. win win I suppose. broadsheet don’t have to do much work, and people still get to argue!

    1. Rosette of Sirius

      With many businesses and schools now completely set up for remote work and schooling, seems like COVID has stolen that other rare treat from us…. a Snow Day….

        1. Rosette of Sirius

          SiL is a teacher and she’s not back until week after next. Notionally anyways.

          That’s said who knows if there’s sneachta. Back to Teams and zoom for the kiddos…

          I fancy a bit myself. I usually spend a fair bit of time this time of year in the Austrian Tyrol so it’s bumming me out that I’m not over there. They’re leaving the slopes open over there but closing everything else and my local pals are sending me pics of some very fine snow for skiing. Really bumming me out!

    1. Rosette of Sirius

      Saw that alright. Not a bad effort too. That said RTE’s NYE show – their chat elements and especially those after midnight – were an abomination.

      1. millie bobby brownie

        I heard that alright. We watched Jools Holland’s Hootenanny, which is almost always worth watching, and this year was every bit as entertaining.

  8. GiggidyGoo

    Can’t open it for some reason.

    Tell you what I was disappointed with though was the ‘Ireland in Music’ program https://www.rte.ie/culture/2020/1202/1181559-ireland-in-music-the-sights-and-sounds-of-ireland/
    Apart from the Clannad opening number with Denise Chaila, most of the rest of the offerings weren’t (to me anyway) up to a great standard for a production that’s going to be unleashed on the world. Mundy, though I like his music normally, had a video / song bordering on half-wits wandering around the set of some old french b-movie horror film and Liam Ó Maonlaí was a type of throwback to the begorrah era.

    I’ll admit, I had to turn it off soon after Liam O.

    There are so many artists on the scene, writing and creating music, that are still been elbowed out of publicity … even a quick look at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oT8XyXaIvZI shows many talents.

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