101 thoughts on “Thursday’s Papers

  1. Toe Up

    Trump impeached for the second time, with 10 Republicans with enough backbone to vote against him. Indications are that the wily political turtle may be open to voting against him in the Senate trial, although that still seems like a bit of a long shot.

    1. scottser

      it’s even worse – there’s a petition to remove trump’s cameo appearance from home alone 2.
      will this madness never end?

  2. Charger Salmons

    Charger’s Vax Fact # 16

    Northern Ireland is leading the way in the UK’s supercharged vaccination programme.
    Latest daily statistics show it has vaccinated 4.8% of its population compared to 4.0% in England, 3.5% in Scotland and 3.2 % in Wales.

    No daily figures for Ireland available from the HSE.

      1. Charger Salmons

        The idea that four million people in Ireland ‘may ‘ be vaccinated by late September and even then not the entire population of a country as small as this really is nothing its government should be proud of.
        Especially when all of NI will be vaccinated months before then.

        1. Cú Chulainn

          Hi Salmons, so glad you still have internet access after midnight. I know the orderlies usually shut you off then. Quick question: do you actually believe the numbers vaccinated in the UK and the occupied 6 counties ? Asking for a friend obviously

        2. Joe F

          Did you miss school entirely you clown? For someone who gives out about spelling and grammar you give me a good laugh. As I said previously, try copying and pasting into Microsoft Word and spell-check it there you clown.

          1. bisted

            …have to agree with Charger on this one…the rollout of vaccines is showing all the signs of a turf war between the HSE and the politicians and the various agencies who can administer…everyone agrees who should get priority…with nursing homes and hospitals the delay is inexplicable…each have qualified staff who administer vaccines day-in-day-out…the vaccines should not have touched the ground…it should have been distributed straight from the airport to the clearly identified, captive audience of recipients…success truly has many has many fathers but history may show that posturing has cost actual lives…

          2. ReproBertie

            “with nursing homes and hospitals the delay is inexplicable”

            When the Pfizer vaccine was approved by the EMA we were told Ireland would get 35,000 doses a week and that vaccination would start in January. We were also told the top priority was to vaccinate the approx. 70,000 residents of nursing homes and the approx. 70,000 healthcare staff. That’s 140,000 people but it’s two doses each so that 280,000 doses. At 35,000 doses per week it would take 8 weeks to administer 280,000 doses.

            Vaccination began on December 29th. 8 weeks later is the end of February.

            Since announcing the target date of the end of February Ireland’s supplies have increased to 40,000 doses per week and then again to 50-55,000 doses per week. Now we also have access to the Moderna vaccine and AstraZeneca’s vaccine is due to be approved in the coming weeks. All of this means the rollout programme is accelerating.

            So, knowing all this, what delay are you referring to as inexplicable?

          3. Listrade

            100% Bisted.

            Sometimes someone is right and on this Charger is right.

            The issue should have been supply, not logistics. Not an ideal situation, but the only delay should be waiting on the next batch, not waiting on government to pull their fingers out and have a proper distribution and vaccination programme.

            If it’s too painful to look at how the UK turned it around, then check elsewhere like Israel or Denmark if praising Israel is too problematic for you.

            The message may be coming from the last person you want to hear it from on here, but it doesn’t mean this particular message is wrong.

            And to all on here, COVID isn’t a competitive sport. I’ve lurked and seen UK figures waved around like UTD had just lost and same from our favourite brit. You don’t get to win an argument on the basis that one bunch of gobshites in power have killed more people than your bunch of gobshites on that particular day. You don’t get to use the deaths of someone’s family or friend in some petty online argument.

            It was too much to ask that we all look at where we are and realise that we’re all run by a bunch of corrupt, clueless idiots and maybe it’s time we stopped treating them like some kind of sporting jersey.

          4. paul

            The Pfizer vaccine has to be brought slowly to room temperature and kept in extremely specific conditions before being administered. A tight scheduling system has been set up where I work so that a persons vaccine dose is retrieved a good while before they arrive and given within a small window to maximise efficacy. They’re being careful to avoid wastage. The idea of a vaccine vial being put in a bin due to rushing a schedule is a horrifying one.

            The staff giving the jabs also have their day jobs to do so it’s a large logistical undertaking to make sure the vaccine is given while not affecting the day-to-day responsibilities.

            I’m not excusing the slowness, these pathways should have been worked out well in advance, just adding some fuel to the debate.

          5. bisted

            …most of the vaccinations I’ve ever received were at school…it seemed a fait accompli at the time…as I remember we were trooped down to the library and lined up alphabetically with our sleeves rolled up…entire classes were vaccinated in minutes and the entire school (300+) in a few hours…we are told that the only restriction on the vaccine rollout would be supply but if the initial low numbers cannot be distributed efficiently, what hope when the numbers increase…it’s only a matter of time until unnecessary bureaucratic bungling leads to waste of precious vaccines…

          6. Charger Salmons

            It gives me no pleasure reporting these facts.
            I’m as keen as the next person living here to get a jab.
            My particular beef is that the Irish media is not holding the government to account in any way like Boris and Hancock have been in Blighty for 10 months.
            And without accountability the politicians can get away with whatever mistakes they make.
            It happened with the bail out.It happened with Brexit.And it’s happening with the vaccines.
            The fact I highlight the UK’s progress and the lack of it here enrages people when in reality their fury should be directed towards the government.
            I’m just the piano player …

          7. Listrade


            “these pathways should have been worked out well in advance, just adding some fuel to the debate.”

            That’s it in a nutshell. All those factors were known and known to all countries. We knew this was coming even before it was authorised. Only a small handful of countries have managed to have a smooth roll out where the only delay has been supply.

            Supply being an issue is understandable and forgivable. Delay in roll out due to lack of a plan isn’t forgivable.

          8. ReproBertie

            What delay? Vaccines are being distributed and administered as supplies arrive. Nursing homes and healthcare facilities have been told when to expect their deliveries.

          9. Junkface

            The vaccine rollout for Ireland is laughably slow. Come on! For a small country with a low population its not acceptable.

          10. ReproBertie

            How is it slow Junkface? Do you mean the supplies we are getting or the speed with which we are administering them?

          11. Charger Salmons

            It’s rather like the ludicrous waste of money and resources involved in texting and telephoning people who have filled in passenger locator forms on arrival into Ireland.
            Which Herbert came up with that idea ?
            * Ring ring *
            ” Hi, just checking you’re self-isolating for two weeks.”
            ” Er, no actually, I was out getting mullahed last night and I’ve got the lads coming round later for a few scoops and a smoke.What do you think ? ”
            Lady Charger and I were away over the summer and I received a call on the 13th day of our self-imposed quarantining.Herself not at all.
            A total waste of time particularly as only 16% of arrivals over Christmas were contacted.
            Shambolic and costly.

    1. Joe F

      Since you are mentioning some numbers clown man, would you like to comment on the following ones?
      As of this evening –
      The number of deaths in the UK is 1,245 per 1 million population. That is 9th highest out of 221 countries listed. The figure for Ireland is 495 per 1 million, so about 40% of the UK rate and places us 48th out of 221 countries.
      The number of cases in the UK per 1 million population is 47,175 while the number for Ireland is 32,038, so UK figure is approximately 50% higher than Irish figures.
      Would you like to comment on those figures clown man?
      No I wouldn’t think so.
      Ireland has nothing to shout about, but the UK figures are much worse.
      And I didn’t hear you mention that the total deaths in the UK have now passed 100,000 today.
      Or what about the poll last week that said the Tories were going to be hammered with Bozo projected to lose his own seat!!
      Marvelous indeed.

      1. Praetorian

        It never replies when it’s challenged with facts….it’s an English thing…they don’t like truth.

    2. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

      Just so you know Charage
      I’ve been selected for inclusion in a Vax day at a work location in Nordie Ireland


      a bitta’ve dilemma all the same, there’s the do I want it, and the should I wait until my father gets it, same with a few other very vulnerable and scared friends etc

      1. SB

        Take it when offered, if you don’t, it won’t go to a deserving 90 year old – it may well get thrown out

      1. Cian

        1.56% of the population
        Which puts Ireland toward the top of the EU (albeit far behind UK/USA)

        Here is a graph (Ireland wasn’t updated since 10th, when i posted this, but we will be at 1.56)

    1. Commenter #1


      20 minutes in. Let’s blame “Antifa” and “BLM” for the riot at the capital. Apparently smashing windows is a BLM/Antifa thing, not a Trump supporter thing.


        1. Commenter #1

          Let’s go to the tape!


          “I saw Antifa behaviour, the guys repeatedly smashing windows, that is a BLM/Antifa thing, it’s not really a Trump supporter thing.”

          Why do I subject myself to this, maybe I should head off to the Journal.

          1. John Ryan

            Commenter #1, I meant the guys all in black with backpacks carrying hammers repeatedly smashing windows which was a feature of the BLM disturbances and were apparently Antifa. Same thing at Capitol Hill.

          2. Commenter #1

            The video is there for anyone to watch it to see what you said. I didn’t even quote the bit about “agents provocateurs.”

            Have some dignity.

        2. scottser

          seemed pretty clear cut to me. you’re blaming the riot on ‘agent provocateurs’ and claiming that trump called for protestors to walk peacefully to the capitol, while ignoring the fact that trump supporters include some serious militias such as the three percenters who were explicity told by trump that day that ‘different rules apply to them’ because they were ‘saving democracy’. trump gave them immunity to do what they wanted.
          john me oul flower, you are to be commended for looking for nuances in a situation but in this one i think it’s overshadowed by the glaringly obvious.

          1. Nigel

            It’s ironic that there have been actual right-wing types arrested for starting fires during BLM protests, but no antifa types so far in the Capitol mob round-up.

          2. John Ryan

            scottser, I have seen footage of Trump supporters pleading with those guys with the hammers to stop. I am not blaming infiltrators for the riot, just that there is some evidence of bad actors stoking the fires.

          3. millie bobby brownie

            John, not to derail this dragging you’re receiving or the almighty shitshow going on over on the George Nkencho thread but I have a recipe for that lockdown staple banana bread for bakesheet if you want me to send it in. Cheers.

            Mullet looks fab btw ;)

          4. Nigel

            There is more evidence emerging that suggests the attack itself was planned out ahead of time and at least somewhat orchestrated.

          5. Cian

            There are signs of this being planned:
            Panic buttons in Ayanna Pressley’s office had been ‘torn out’ before the Capitol riot, chief of staff says

            As rioters began to storm the Capitol building in Washington, D.C., last week, Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley’s staff barricaded the doors to their office — and made a startling discovery.

            “Every panic button in my office had been torn out — the whole unit,” Sarah Groh, Pressley’s chief of staff, recalled to The Boston Globe.

            The buttons had been used before, and Groh said she had not switched offices since then. Exactly why they were not there when supporters of President Donald Trump sieged the halls of Congress was unclear to the staff, she said.


          6. Charger Salmons

            Banana Bread is all a bit first lockdown. I got so many dropped round to the tradesman’s entrance at Chateau Charger I ended up feeding most of them to the dog and even he turns his nose up at them now and that mofo is a canine dustbin.
            Lady Charger does a mental banofi pie but I don’t have the heart to tell her I’m not that keen on them.
            Now if it was cheesecake we’d be talking.
            If anyone has a really decadent cheesecake recipe that’s not so sweet it rattles your fillings as it goes down I’d be most grateful.
            My lovely old late mum used to make them with a tinned mandarin orange topping and they were delightful.

          7. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            you’re putting bananas up your tradesmen’s entrance…I’m confused

          8. millie bobby brownie

            Well no one is forcing you to eat it pet.

            Cheesecake is gick. I’ve yet to eat a really nice one.

          9. V aka Frilly Keane

            In fairness Mill
            He does come across as more of a Malteasers n’ Bailey’s Cheesecake with Chocolate sauce, mockyah wafers, and toffee ice-cream
            The perfect Lemon Tart or a Hollywood handshake winning Passion Fruit Panna Cotta

          10. Charger Salmons

            When a baking ” expert ” gets triggered over a classic dessert such as cheesecake I know Chumps Corner is hurting bad …


          11. millie bobby brownie

            Charger, not everyone here gets ‘triggered’ by your comments. I know it’s tremendous fun riling everyone up but I’m not one of your band of merry men.

            I do, however, think you have terrible taste in cake. Cheesecake is an inferior desert. Give me a banoffee any day.

            I’d also recommend looking up the meaning of triggered.

          12. Lilly

            I won’t hear a bad word against cheesecake. What I wouldn’t give for a New York slice from Lindy’s right now.

          13. millie bobby brownie

            But it always tastes overwhelmingly of cream cheese! How can you possibly want that in a cake?

            Cream cheese on a bagel? Yes. In a cake? No.

          14. millie bobby brownie

            That’s healthy food, ffs. We can agree on brown bread and peanut butter. Carrot cake is practically a vegetable.

      1. Rosette of Sirius

        Sweet baby Jesus. The Black lads/Lads in black like to smash windows so they done it. That’s really, really an astonishing thing to say. John clearly has better intel than the FBI. Bodger didn’t lick it off the ground’, as me Mammy’d say….. ;)

      1. Commenter #1

        I liked the bit where it turns out that Trump is not a Republican and Mitch McConnell is a RINO.

        Now that’s some compelling analysis!

  3. Cú Chulainn

    When the Sun and the Star have the best and most appropriate headlines: either I have lost it.. or the world has.

  4. Charger Salmons

    The Irish Times editorial on vaccines cannot bring itself to criticise the slowness and incompetence behind the EU’s approach.
    Or acknowledge the UK’s stellar performance thus far.
    ” The British government has made commitments that its health officials appear to believe are premature ”
    The Irish inferiority complex is institutionally ingrained in the psyche of this country.


    1. GiggidyGoo

      Sure Have Inferiority Troubles running amok with Walter Mitty. Being cooped up doesn’t suit him.

    2. Joe F

      What about these facts clown man?
      The number of deaths in the UK is 1,245 per 1 million population. That is 9th highest out of 221 countries listed. The figure for Ireland is 495 per 1 million, so about 40% of the UK rate and places us 48th out of 221 countries.
      The number of cases in the UK per 1 million population is 47,175 while the number for Ireland is 32,038, so UK figure is approximately 50% higher than Irish figures.
      What’s your opinion of those “stellar” UK facts????

  5. GiggidyGoo

    Terry Prone very absent this past week. Maybe she’d do the right thing and at least apologize. Maybe even add something in cash for the un-necessary agony she caused because of her lies – and they were lies.

      1. Bitnboxy

        Were it only the case that Giggidybot could do the same! ROFL

        But then, they (the Goos) claimed to have built up a “respected presence” on online fora over the last decade.

        Give. Me. Strength.

  6. dan

    So far:

    Hundreds of bodies in a septic tank, no criminal investigation because Roderic thinks that legislation is required to exhume
    Allegations of child trafficking, no investigation
    Focus on Church, whereas several of these homes were established by local authorities
    Leak after leak of sensitive documents

    In short, a total whitewash and coverup

  7. Charger Salmons

    Trump quite clearly told protestors to remain peaceful in his speech.
    There was no incitement to riot.
    Which is why the Democrats were wrong to pursue a second impeachment as they were with the first one.
    But then you should never underestimate the stupidity of the Democratic Party.
    Five years since Trump was elected and instead of reinventing themselves they’re allowing a deranged old biddy and a doddery early-stage dementia victim define them while creating a martyr in Trump.
    They were poor losers last time and they’re poor winners this time.
    They should have heeded Churchill’s maxim about being magnanimous in victory.

    1. Nigel

      They beat Trump soundly, held off his attempts to overturn the election, took back the Senate and roundly humiliated him with a second impeachment, even winning over a few Republicans to the cause. I’d say they’ve come out of the gate strong. The funny thing is Trump could have avoided this shambolic lame-duck mess if he’d conceded when he lost, then he could have sat back and executed prisoners by the score and sold off national parks to his heart’s content to pwn the libs. He literally handed Democrats politcal victories, the moral high ground, and chipped away at any justification Biden might feel to go easy on Trump and the Republicans. He would have been King Of The GOP, but now poor ol’ Republicans don’t know which way to turn – death threats and primarying from Trumpists or political suicide? Incredible to watch, it really is.

      1. Charger Salmons

        The Democrats won because of Trump’s response to Covid-19 not Biden’s dream for a different political Establishment that he’s been part of all his life.
        Unless they address the reasons why Trump won in the first place – and I’ve seen nothing to suggest they have over the past five years – this will be a pyrrhic victory.
        And it will start with a grinning Hillary Clinton on inauguration Day.

        1. Nigel

          Apart from the astonishing mishandiling of the pandemic leading to thousands and thousands of deaths, how was the election Mr Trump? I’m not sure how they can directly adress the reasons for Trump’s election without going back in time and stopping a black man being elected president. Failing that, they should certainly address the other reasons – voter supression, gerrymandering and the electoral college. I hope Hilary Clinton, while grinning, takes a sip from a big mug labelled ‘adrenochrome.’

          1. Nigel

            Tom Hanks is Master Of Ceremonies and Lady Gaga is singing the national anthem at the Inauguration, I think Biden is trolling Q and you and Bodger personally.

          2. Charger Salmons

            All those white liberal middle class Democrat voters are going to be in for a rude awakening soon.
            Who does he think have benefited most from Trump’s economic boom ?

            “Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild.” — President-elect Biden


          3. Nigel

            ‘If that’s what you think, you need help.’

            SOMEone’s taken a New Year’s resolution to not have a sense of humour.

          4. Charger Salmons

            You’re many things Nigel.
            But a laugh a minute joker isn’t one of them.
            If you were a sandwich you’d be a tuna mayo on white.
            But hold the mayo.

  8. Charger Salmons

    An official analysis by the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine reveals the scale by which EU fishing quotas will have dropped (and UK quotas will expand) at the end of the fishing transition period.
    It concludes that by 2026 EU coastal states’ shares of fish will shrink significantly – with quotas being ceded to the UK.
    Ireland and Germany will lose 15%, the Netherlands will lose 10%, France will lose 8%, Denmark and Belgium will lose 7%, and Spain will lose 4%.


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