87 thoughts on “Tuesday’s Papers

    1. Cú Chulainn

      The Star so is..the effortless ease of ‘a ghost burned my Boobs’ to a Knob joke.. that.. well .. works.. hats off

      1. ReproBertie

        That was part of the deal Israel made. They paid more than the EU did and agreed to let Pfizer collect data as if the country was a testing lab.

        1. Charger Salmons

          ” Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.” – Oscar Wilde

          Health Minister Stephen Donnelly “hopes” to have four million people in Ireland vaccinated by the end of September.
          The UK has surpassed that total before the end of the third week in January.
          And vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe put together.
          Another measure of how well Ireland is doing under the EU’s vaccination programme is that it is six days since it published its numbers.
          In that time the UK has vaccinated the equivalent of more than 20% of Ireland’s population.
          The cost of Ireland’s delayed and slow vaccine roll-out in terms of lost business,unemployment benefits,postponed medical procedures,mental health problems etc is incalculable.
          But hey, we saved a few bob on vaccines …

          1. Joe F

            What about the fact that the UK is now the 8th highest out of 221 in deaths per million population clown man from the virus? It’s ironic that Gibraltar have passed them yesterday. And, using the data from last week alone, the UK has the HIGHEST death rate of any country in the whole world. Bozo doing a great job? You clown of a man.

          2. Charger Salmons

            Charger’s Vax Fact ™ # 24

            Health Minister Donnelly has finally announced that 1.9% of Ireland’s population has now been vaccinated.
            Israel has vaccinated 25% of its 9 million population.
            And it has struck a deal with Pfizer to share its jab data in return for a guarantee of the continued flow of its hard-to-get vaccine allowing it to become the first country to vaccinate its entire population.
            But the EU managed to save a few shekels on the price of vaccines.

    1. E'Matty

      That’s an odd one. So, Regev-Yohai says high levels of antibodies prevents transmission? That’s funny, because the virus will sit in the nose and throat, perhaps not lead to disease development, but how does he claim these antibodies stop the virus then transmitting from the throat and nose to others? Smells of BS quite frankly. Convenient BS now that everyone is questioning the prevention of transmission aspect.

      1. ReproBertie

        I see what you’re saying Matty. Sure what would the Director of the Infection Prevention and Control Unit at Sheba Medical Centre, and editor of the survey, know compared to you, a bloke on the internet who hasn’t seen the data?

        1. millie bobby brownie

          He has an IQ in the 99th percentile, you know. That qualifies him above everyone, including god.

      2. Micko

        I see what you’re saying Bertie. Sure what would say, Sunetra Gupta, infectious disease epidemiologist and a professor of theoretical epidemiology at the Department of Zoology, University of Oxford, know compared to you, a bloke on the internet who hasn’t seen the data?

        See how that works…

        A la carte science. Just pick the scientist that suits your own belief and promote them.

        1. ReproBertie

          Very good Micko except that I don’t think I’ve ever posted that Sunetra Gupta, infectious disease epidemiologist and a professor of theoretical epidemiology at the Department of Zoology, University of Oxford was claiming some convenient BS. In fact I’ve never expressed an opinion on what Sunetra Gupta, infectious disease epidemiologist and a professor of theoretical epidemiology at the Department of Zoology, University of Oxford was saying because I have never paid attention to what Sunetra Gupta, infectious disease epidemiologist and a professor of theoretical epidemiology at the Department of Zoology, University of Oxford was saying.

          What were they saying and what data and studies was what they were saying based on?

          1. Micko

            I was mearly using her as an example of an eminent scientist who would have an opposing views, that others (including Matty I believe) would have promoted here in the past.

            Which upon posting here, people would have ignored that particular scientists opinion,as it didn’t fit their own personal beliefs. Regardless of her expertise and background in the given subject.

            Like I said. Pick the scientist that you like and roll with them. We all do it.

          2. ReproBertie

            Science doesn’t care what people believe Micko.

            I presume Sunetra Gupta was going against the majority of scientists in some way but following the majority of scientists is not the same as picking a scientist you like and rolling with them.

            Gill Regev-Yohai is talking about a brand new survey that she edited. Rejecting her findings as “convenient bs” when no other scientists have looked at the results and offered an opposing view point is not comparable to following majority scientific opinion rather than the lone voice saying the opposite.

          3. Micko

            Science is vulnerable to manipulation just like every other human endeavour.

            The politicisation of science is a very real thing.

          4. ReproBertie

            Of course it is. We’ve seen that with the oil companies hiding their own studies showing the impact they were having on climate change, for example.

            That seems like a much bigger topic than Matty rejecting a brand new survey as “convenient BS” or me following the majority scientific opinion, rather than an outlier, in an area where I have no expertise.

          5. bisted

            …I think relying on research based on the population of an artificial state that owes its existence to overseas support and apartheid, a pariah state with a long history of lies and obfuscation is dubious…a more valid comparison would have been research into a sample of nuns vaccinated as frontline in mother and baby homes…

          6. Nigel

            We’ve heard the mythologising of lone brave scientists pushing back against the cosy consensus on smoking causing lung disease, industries causing pollution, pollution causing death and destruction, evolution being real and climate change being real all from the right and from big corporations all to justify political inaction and deregulation and denying liability for decades now, so actually the idea of science being politicised is something we’re all familiar with.

          7. Micko

            Nigel – why does right and left always come into almost everything you post?

            We need both right and left politics in order to have a stable society.

          8. Nigel

            The right is working to hinder, delay and roll back action of climate change and biodiversity loss. Not just the far right like Trump and the Tories, but our own wee middle-of-the-road sure-it’ll-be-grand centre right gombeens in FG and FF. That’s the very oppositie of promoting a stable society. It’s like the evil villain rubbing their hands together as they plot to destroy the world.

    1. benblack

      Against social housing, or general housing planning permission, Rob_G,?

      Nevermind the percentage of Social Housing within private developments…. yadda, yadda.

      I don’t live in the Dublin City Council electoral area, however, this selective data will be transferred to my statistical processing unit, which has its h
      eadquarters in my brain and soul.

      Thanks.

      1. ReproBertie

        Working on the assumption that councillors would support their own motion it tells us that I4C didn’t put forward a single motion on housing since the local elections.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          That may be so, but as regards motions and who voted for them – there may have been motions that could have lined the pockets of god knows who. To just list like Rob_G has done doesn’t give any inkling of what was/wasn’t voted on.

          1. Rob_G

            If the motions that were proposed were so bad, why didn’t they propose their own bloody motions then? Jesus, but you have a ready-made problem for every solution; no wonder these parties do so well at election time, when they have voters like you ready to use any level of inactivity or incompetence.

          2. ReproBertie

            We can see that PBP supported just 2 motions which was 3 fewer than SF.

            Are SF likely to have supported motions that “could have lined the pockets of god knows who”? Presumably not so why are PBP so against housing motions?

          3. GiggidyGoo

            You’re surmising what the motions were about then? Maybe PbP were against them as it was profit before people?

          4. Rob_G

            Who needs councillors delivering housing; the people can just live on slogans like “profit before people”…

      2. Fergalito

        In fairness there’s no context to what the propositions were as stated by others.

        Tweet states that the votes against were for for political, commercial, ideological or practical reasons.

        Parties could have voted no to development of housing in the middle of St. Anne’s Park for example?

        1. Rob_G

          I don’t know the details of all of the motions; if they objected to the proposed motions for political, commercial, ideological or practical reasons – ok, but why were the serial objectors not more proactive in putting forward proposals for housing of their own?

          The current council is one-and-a-half years into its term – how much housing do PBP (for example) expect to deliver during their five-year term at their going rate of approvals?

    2. scottser

      i presume one of those motions was to demolish the o’rahilly house, for example. it’s hard to know unless you post up the motions, rob.

        1. scottser

          lots of reasons rob. i don’t really want to do your job for you but here’s something from March last year concerning the sensible rezoning of former industrial sites within DCC:
          https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/rezoning-of-dublin-city-lands-for-up-to-3-500-homes-is-delayed-by-council-1.4190857
          the main reasons cited in the article is pushback from residents stating that their areas are built up enough and new housing will put a strain on school places, parking, traffic, public transport and a host of other stuff. then there is a general mistrust of developers and the perceived affect new developments have on house and rental prices. there is some general pearl clutching from the likes of pat dunne.
          so it seems to me that the major objections aren’t from the left wing voter base, it’s from FFG and labour voters protecting their house prices.

          1. Rob_G

            No-one ever wants new stuff built next to them. Do you think councillors should pander to stupid reasons for objections like “a general mistrust of developers” (I mean, Jesus Christ, how else is something going to be built unless someone is actually engaged to build it??)

            “so it seems to me that the major objections aren’t from the left wing voter base, it’s from FFG and labour voters protecting their house prices.”
            – weird then that FG objected to one development, and Labour to two. Whereas PBP objected to 19, and I4C to 21 – 100% of the proposals for new housing made during the lifetime of the current council.

  1. V aka Frilly Keane

    Nothing in De Papers there about Trump’s last day at work and the Whip Round for the going away pressie

    The Presidential Pardons
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/18/politics/donald-trump-eleventh-hour-pardons/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

    I reckon if there was any real backbone to whole MAGA Drain The Swamp Lock her up stuff
    He’ll stick it to them all tomorrow
    And Pardon Juluan Assange

    Btw C4 earlier this evening suggested the first record of the claim that Obama was born in Kenya ( during his 1st run/ term)
    Has been traced back to Donald Trump himself
    And Obama filleted him for it at the WH Correspondent’s do 2011 about it

    That kinda adds to my recently developed theory that Trump was The Storm / Awakening etc – 1st half of it away
    3D chess but already 10 moves in, and castled
    before 2016

    Crazy?
    Somehow, the deep State managed to get 10000s of Trump’s / GOP/ the US’s more nuttier, hard wing evangelical preppers and white supremacists
    To provide all their identities , locations, faces and commentry, including making arrangements etc
    up onto the internet and on to video apps
    For the world to see
    And to Run riot with no masks, + Selfies at the scenes
    And provide their Social Security Numbers n’ all

    Just saying

    1. benblack

      If he doesn’t pardon Assange, then, his presidency has been for nought.

      Hillary will be in her element, otherwise.

        1. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

          Tis proving you right that’s going to be harder in fairness
          pretty sure there’s plenty still around and on hand to help you out

          c’mon lads and ladies, show yere faces for old times sake
          remind everyone who you all are

          1. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

            But shur that was barely a year go

            any clues or notion at all

            if it helps at all
            Rob_G called me an Alt Right’her there just after the Summer somemtime

            So mebbe none of us know who’s who what’s what
            we could blame the masks and the hand sanitiser fumes

          2. Rob_G

            I would dispute calling you an Alt Righter; I consider you to be an Alt Reality-er sometimes, but not Alt Right.

          3. ReproBertie

            Sorry, the previous election! t was before you changed your twitter because I remember chatting to you about it there.

            I only raised it here as a joke V.

      1. Junkface

        The Kushners are really corrupt and repugnant. Jared and Ivanka made over 100 Million from selling influence to the Saudis, Israel, Turkey and others, but pardoning Kushner’s horrible, sleazy, corrupt, imprisoned father really is sick. Especially for inmates on death row who could’ve been shown some mercy.

        I’m amazing selling pardons from the president is not highly illegal.

    2. Junkface

      If Trump really does like upsetting the establishment, he should pardon Julian Assange and Edward Snowden. I doubt he will though. His ability to infuriate the establishment politicians of DC is just a byproduct of his self centered ignorance and actions. He doesn’t make BIG statements or actions unless there is something in it for him. Winning some praise or attention from Pamela Anderson if he pardons Assange might be enough for him.
      I’m sure Melania is definitely not going to leave him and take their son with her, now that the show is over.

      1. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

        That’s my point
        if his MAGA campaign was really as legit as his rallies and devotees believe
        along with all the other groups, from the Proud Boys to the QAnons to the Stop the Stealers and all the other hybrid Kklans
        same for the more local- Covid Hoaxers, Soros hunters, 5gems in the membrane, Tuam Babies ‘is a pack of lies’ tribes

        then Assange and Snowden will be getting pardons today
        and even at that, why didn’t he pardon them sooner and demonstrate the true promise of his 1st term in the White House
        He could have made them a Campaign issue

        I was still very open minded, don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t trust the upper echelons of the GOP, or the Dems one bit, we’re only in the ha’penny place when it comes to their corruption and self interest

        And I was never convinced Biden was the real deal. Think he was played himself tbh
        Like run old Biden as it was too high risk to loose to Trump a second time with a rising star kinda thing.

        And I do have a big, big, argument about how the Septics run their elections, resource their elections & their election monitoring and their election regulation. Particularly how they treat their voters

        But the last few weeks – watching Mitch and how they (the GOP) ran the Georgia run offs, and didn’t guide the leader of the Republican Party

        and now seeing how easy t’was for the whole World, not just the FBI, and the NSA, and all those supposed Deep State Dungeons to track and trace, put faces, names, locations, monitor movements & chatter, and even the social security numbers to these anti Government fringe groups & illegal Militias, the more underground White Supremacists, and all their leaders, active members, organisers and supporters. No matter how incognito they kept it all from their daily working and family lives….

        And look at the collusion of Big Tech Social Media here
        Look at who is being quoted as the original instigator of Obama’s fake birth cert

        Its very hard to not consider that getting Trump into the WH wasn’t a long play game of 3D 5G chess itself
        Look a Trump back in 2011 to the election 2016, he was far more together and organised.
        More sensible on the debates

        After that he was left to his own devices imo
        Now there is a great reset going on in America, intended or not, I don’t know for sure
        but there is a great reset going on

        Ara’ shur we’ll all know soon enough who Trump really does pardon on his last day on the job

        1. Nigel

          ‘Its very hard to not consider that getting Trump into the WH wasn’t a long play game of 3D 5G chess itself’

          No. Not even if you think all roads lead to Putin. I find your logic weird on so many levels. Trump would never, ever in a million years make pardoning Assange a campaign issue. Qanon might love him, but mainstream Republicans think he and Snowden are traitors who undermined national security. The Capitol rioters literally broadcast themselves rioting, boasted online about it afterwards. Trump’s presidency can be traced back to strains of US culture and politics that go back to Reconstruction, and was neither inevitable nor part of a Great Reset long game. Let’s not completely lose the run of ourselves.

          Trump might pardon Assange, I suppose, but I find it highly unlikely, and I’ve no idea why he should or would, or what he’d get out of it. Sure, Assange mught have strategically leaked stuff in Trump’s favour in 2016, but what has he done for him lately and what could he do for him in the future? I’d doubt Assange has occured to Trump as more than a passing thought since his election.

          1. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

            ah cmon
            this is a lad who suggested injecting bleach
            c’mon

            He ruined a great opportunity to canvas in the Georgia Run Off to secure the Senate and all the Committees for the GOP (far more important to the GOP – at every level) His own Party
            and he weeweed all over it

            If you seriously think Trump wouldn’t have campaigned on anything that would give him a cheer at a rally
            a few thousand retweets and likes

            you’re off your own rocker

          2. bisted

            …here’s another wild notion Nigel…the Trump presidency was merely collateral damage arising from crooked Hillary failing to get enough people to come out and vote for her…

          3. Nigel

            Frilly – kind of my point. If he thought it would win him cheers and votes, he would have campaigned on it. I think he mentioned him once or twice after election? But no more than that. He ho interest in Assange whatsoever.

            blisted – the formulation ‘the loser didn’t get enough people to vote for them’ could be applied to every election ever, so it’s a bit inane. Nonetheless, Assange supported Trump with selective leaks.

          4. Nigel

            Everyone knew it was a con from the get-go. Con is the wrong word. It was, and is, reality television, because there was always the chance that locking her up might have been part of the show.

          5. bisted

            …even when acknowledging that crooked Hillary lost an election that the opinion polls showed her home and hosed you cannot resist the temptation to explain the result as someone else’s fault…a bit Trumpian…

          6. Nigel

            I didn’t say anything about ‘fault’ (the only one obsessed with fault here is you – evrything MUST be laid at Clinton’s feet) I simply said Assange selectively leaked in support of Trump. It’s just what happened.

          7. Nigel

            Feck, I can’t remember. Jim something or other, used to run 4chan or 8chan, Watkins, that’s it, some other guy, nonentities, dregs of the internet. I want to forget these people ever existed.

          8. V aka Frilly Keane

            Nah, not buying that
            Well here’s what I think about Jim Watkins & Fred Brennan
            Firstly they’re no masterminds, or capable of the long game. Not this spooks stuff

            At best, these are two Independent forum hosts who saw a wave that was still building
            but with nowhere to go once Trump was safely inaugurated
            And let it flow in
            Lemme tell ya
            All forums love traffic – good and bad
            Love it, and whatever is the vibe that builds on the traffic
            They’re amongst it, egging it on and on and in

            The two bhoys were in the right place at the right time
            And knew exactly what to do with the lucky break

            T’would be interesting to know the thereabouts in value of the total Q Industry
            Flags and t-shirts, car stickers, donations, vitamins
            Feckin face paint

    3. scottser

      even the church banned indulgences nearly 500 years ago, ffs. and while trump pardons the perpetrators of a civilian massacre in iraq, he executes a woman with multiple PTSDs and mental health conditions, serially failed by the state over the years.
      still, they have god on their side.

      1. Charlie

        Was on to a supplier this morning and said he’s cancelled all his supplies from the UK and gone to their Italian and Dutch suppliers equivalent instead. He was also chatting to someone in Amazon UK yesterday and they’re way down on orders and reckons they could be gone with the next 12-18months.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Amazon are adding onto cheap items, around €15 + postage, which still is below the limit for VAT and duty. You don’t know till you get to checkout, and at that stage you’ve ordered. I ordered a couple of nights ago, and went back in after confirming, and cancelled it. That’s sharp practice by Amazon.

  2. Charger Salmons

    Today is the birthday of John Bercow.
    Remember him ?
    The pomegranate-faced, vertically-challenged shouty Napoleon who trashed centuries of Speaker’s independence in an attempt to overturn the democratic referendum choice of Brexit.
    Cast into oblivion and devoid of a former Speaker’s traditional ermine-clad berth on a House of Lord’s bench the pious pipsqueak is rumoured to be Uriah-Heeping for a spot on the next Strictly.
    How the not-so-mighty have fallen.
    Schadenfreude comes to those who wait.

      1. Charger Salmons

        Bungling ?
        Tarred and feathered Corbyn into ignominy.
        Delivered Brexit.
        Steered HMS Blighty’s magnificent vaccine programme away from the EU’s iceberg-bound Titanic course.
        Bercow is literally and metaphorically a pygmy compared to the giant that is Boris.
        All eyes now on where Sleepy Joe will make his first foreign trip as POTUS.
        I’ll give you a clue.
        It will be to Cornwall.
        And an idyllic spot called Carbis Bay.

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