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Gina Carano Fired from The Mandalorian Following “Abhorrent” Social Media Posts (COS)

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  1. Shitferbrains

    Print the full picture to show the complete vulgarity of that analogy , not the cropped version.

  2. Nigel

    I still don’t know what she said but the idea that people can’t hold reprehensible political views ithat render them despicable to other people is disproved by the very analogy she uses. After all, being a Nazi and hating Jews were, and still are, political views. If I hate literal Nazis who hate Jews does that make me a figurative Nazi and Nazis figurative Jews? Only if you’re an idiot.

    1. f_lawless

      Seemed to me she’s making a different point though, based on the above text – that Nazi-era Germany serves as a warning from history of where things can potentially lead to when governments purposely cultivate division and hatred of ‘the other’ for political objectives

      1. Nigel

        Yes, but what’s that point got to do with whetever it is that she said? She wasn’t fired by a government, she was fired by a private company. Solution to that is a strong union.

        1. Junkface

          “Whatever she said?”

          It’s in quotation marks at the top of this thread! How do you not see this? Read her words slowly, and think about the analogy. It’s a comment about division in society. This should not be a fireable offense.

          1. Nigel

            Is that the post that got her fired? So she wasn’t fired for her polticial views but for a wildly inappropriate social media post? Bit harsh. Pity she wasn’t unionised.

    2. NobleLocks

      “I still don’t know what she said”…

      Do you have even a pinprick of decency or integrity in you?

      1. Nigel

        I want to see how long this debate can go on without anyone bringing up whatever it was she actually said instead of dire warnings about the slippery slope to the Next Holocaust because our standards of debate are on the rocks. It’s kind of emblematic, if you ask me.

  3. Tony

    It’s best not to broach the topic of the Holocaust unless you really have something respectful or insightful to offer. And even if you do, the squealing rat-barrel of Twitter should not be your platform of choice.

    1. NobleLocks

      Ahh yes, the twitler youth will be there to re-enforce their love and compassion hate bubble banning all those opinions who DARE to disagree. But you know it’s all about love, tolernace and compassion is twitter…. :D

      1. Nigel

        Like this, see? What dd she say? No idea, BUT NOBLELOCKS WILL DENOUNCE ALL WHO DARED THINK IT WAS BAD AS TWITLERS!

          1. Nigel

            If you’re complaining that twitter isn;t fair and balanced what are you asking for, greater regulation and moderation?

  4. Daisy Chainsaw

    I, a person famous for being on tv, am totes being treated EXACTLY the same as a Jew was by Nazis in Germany.

        1. Micko

          I think there’s no such thing as either. I think that people feel differently about different subjects.

          My views are liberal on some things and conservative on others.

          To label someone a far-lefty or righty just because of their views on certain issues – is a terrible thing to do to someone.

          I’m sure Ms Carano is super liberal on some things and is a good laugh when out for a pint. ;)

          1. Nigel

            That’s a cop-out of an answer, though, considering it was you that asked the question in the first place. But it’s a weird concession that the worst thing about professing views that are right wing is that you might get labeled as right wing, even though you have other views that are more liberal. If you think some right wing views are correct, why would you object to being labeled right wing? We’re all special snowflakes, obviously, and our views are nuanced and complex things, and nobody likes to be pigeon-holed, but if you hate it that much, just wait until you find out about the co-opting of labels like ‘woke’ and ‘canceled.’

          2. NobleLocks

            Careful now, Daisy is a well known tolerant person who thinks that we should all be treated fairly and with love…. she’s all about tolerance is Daisy, except of course when it’s tolerance of different opinions…. lol

          3. ian-oh

            I’m not a special snowflake.

            I’m just another drone in the system indistinguishable from all the rest.

            :(

          4. Micko

            Well, I asked the question about hate as it was part of Gina Carano’s statement about “the government first made their neighbours hate them for simply being Jews” – which is of course true.

            Well, if Daisy hates them now (as she has said below – some of them) then it’s easy to see how she could be radicalised into causeing all sorts of suffering against people that she sees as different.

            And since we’re talking Star Wars ;)

            “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

          5. Nigel

            You’ll be a complex human being with a rich inner life that struggles with the contradictions of the modern world and you’ll like it!

          6. Nigel

            ‘Well, if Daisy hates them now (as she has said below – some of them) then it’s easy to see how she could be radicalised into causeing all sorts of suffering against people that she sees as different.’

            It’s possible, but it’s far more likely she’ll be radicalised into greater participating in electoral democracy and various types of activism in order to prevent people with horrible views getting into power. Is disliking someone for their horrible views and opposing them politically the same as hating Jewish peolpe just for being Jewish?

          7. Micko

            “It’s possible…”

            Woh, woh, woh, cool it, dial it down lads. (Ta BB)

            Everyone just chill the P out.

            Nigel JUST conceded on something. They said to couldn’t;t be done.

            Holy crap – this is one to tell the grandkids about.

    1. Junkface

      “I, a person famous for being on tv, am totes being treated EXACTLY the same as a Jew was by Nazis in Germany.”

      Again, missing the point entirely. Picking up the wrong end of the stick. Multiply this take by a million and you have hysterical cancel culture.

      1. Nigel

        It’s odd that invoking the Holocaust because people reacted badly to something she posted on twitter isn’t hysterical.

        1. ian-oh

          Here’s a great idea for people, especially those in the public eye.

          Keep your idiot opinions to yourself.

          I have lots of idiot opinions and I don’t even share them on here where I am mostly anonymous and I am not in the public eye either.

          It was an idiot opinion, end of story.

          Now, if I was to tell you about my views on the Zoroastrians, that would make your hair curl!

          Fiery feckers…..

          ;)

          1. Junkface

            Martial Arts fighters and boxers never make the most subtle analogies or arguments. It’s a pity she did not run it by her manager first.

          2. Nigel

            I’m still struggling to understand what analogy she was trying to draw, but set that aside – that is a genuinely shocking and horrible picture, and if you’re going to post something that shocking and horrible, you can’t be surprised when it causes shock and horror, and if the context isn’t something like commemorating Holocaust Remembrance Day rather than what appears to be some narcissistic special pleading, then that shock and horror is going to be directed at you rather than shared with you. As I keep saying about incidents like this, which are a sad reality in our modern world, the answer isn’t whining about the woke and cancel culture, it’s strong unions to protect worker’s rights that can protect anyone at all from disproportionate workplace punishment in such a situation.

    1. Micko

      The drinker is very good. Even if you’re not into his political stuff.

      His reviews of movies and why they work and don’t work are brilliant.

      His take on a single scene from Ghostbusters is a masterpiece on why pacing and dialogue in movies is so important.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsxa2tOWs6w

      He’s also an accomplished author having written a few novels and has pretty much done it all while maintaining his anonymity for the most part.

    2. scottser

      as commented on many times elsewhere, disney fired yer wan, but were happy to work with those saviours of human rights the CCP on mulan. china gets some disney polish, disney gets a hefty payday.
      hypocrites, one and all.

    3. alickdouglas

      Thanks for sharing that I hadn’t spotted it yet: I don’t always agree with the drinker, but I really enjoy his videos, stirs the pot very nicely.

      Have you read any of his books? His videos give the impression that he knows about storytelling and I’m tempted, the back of his books make them look a bit meh.

      1. Micko

        I haven’t I’m afraid, I’m not a huge fan of the spy / lone wolf genre to be honest.

        But, going on his insights in film and TV I’d imagine he’s good.

        Actually, I might download one of his books and give it a go.

  5. Bruncvik

    I don’t have a stake in this (between how awful Episode 8 was and how awfully Disney is treating its book authors, I’ve abandoned Star Wars a while ago), but I find it ironic that just after Carano made a tenuous link between her and the Jews, a company that still bears the name of a noted antisemite fired her.

    1. Micko

      I was the same. But The Mandalorian is very good – especially the last episode of S2. BIG Nerd pay off ;)

      I hated Star Wars for a long time after the prequels – but now I kinda like it again.

      Or I am at least wiling to give it a chance again. Which after Jar Jar banks is quite something..

      1. Bruncvik

        I’ve heard good things about the show, and it features one of my favorite actresses (Dawson), so I figured I’d give it a try. And then I read that Disney stopped paying royalties to authors like Alan Dean Forster who wrote Star Wars books for them, and decided to cast my tiny vote with my wallet and didn’t sign up for Disney+.

        1. scottser

          i have young kids so i’ve given disney a small fortune. i have no qualms whatsoever streaming their stuff for fee wherever possible.

  6. millie bobby brownie

    Anyone with half a brain would know this ham-fisted analogy is one of the clumsiest ways of making what is a valid point about free speech. And there is a point to be made, but as soon as you bring in the Nazis and what they did to the Jews, you risk your point being lost because, well there’s no justifying what the Nazis did and people still have a visceral reaction to the horrors of that.

    It doesn’t strike me that she’s promoting Nazism, but she clearly made a mistake in using what happened under the Nazis in 1930-40s Germany to illustrate the point. Her point is clumsy and the comparison is not well thought out but it’s not worth her losing her job. A slap round the side of the head for having zero cop on though? I’d say yeah.

    1. Nigel

      The post itself is boilerplate stuff, but that picture really does elevate its offensiveness by several orders of magnitude. What on earth prompted it?

      (The fact that it turns out a beloved male tv/movie industry creator was actually an abusive monster all along but has been coddled, protected and promoted for decades, while one garishly awful posting that causes no actual harm to anyone but lots of embarrasment for a studio leads to a woman’s instant dismissal is not dispositive of the notion that the problem with this industry is it’s full of misogynistic trash, rather than ‘the woke or ‘cancel culture.’)

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        Hollywood is far more forgiving of men who transgress than women. Mel Gibson not only still has a career, but gets nominated for awards, same with Roman Polanski. Kirk Douglas died a centagenarian hero, rather than a reviled brutal rapist so it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey are publicly rehabilitated and re-embraced (and probably rewarded) before the end of the decade.

        “Only” women and a Black man (none of whom have A list status) have spoken out against Whedon who’ll make another couple of billion for studios in the near future, so they’ll continue to be ignored.

        I’m not a fan of Carano’s acting (her fight scenes are brilliant, but otherwise, she’s a plank) or her politics, but not renewing a contract because she has dodgy/repugnant views does seem excessive in light of what her male counterparts get away with.

  7. RuilleBuille

    That half naked woman was a collaborator with the Germans during the French occupation and she is being chased by French civilians after the liberation.

  8. NobleLocks

    @Nigel

    “If you’re complaining that twitter isn;t fair and balanced what are you asking for, greater regulation and moderation?” I didn’t say that, I said the way you speak you’d swear that’s what you think. Way to weasel your way into trying to move the goalposts.

    Twitter is a monster and it needs to be slain. How that happens, I don’t care. It’s toxic bile infects everyone it touches, it’s defenders and it’s victims.

    1. Nigel

      So you think unregulated unmoderated tiwtter is a monster and a THREAT to free speech and corrosive of democracy and civil liberties and that’s why it needs to be slain?

      1. NobleLocks

        “So you think” Easy there Cathy Newman, didn’t say that at all.

        I said that Twitter is Moderated and moderated by laughably biased people, that’s why it’s toxic and needs to be have it’s toxicity addressed.

        1. Nigel

          Hmm. Twitter allowed Qanon to fester for four years, and gave a massive, uninterrupted platform to Donald Trump and many, many other conservative figures. It took a violent invasion of the US Capitol and a level of ridiculously blatant propagandistic lying for it to take decisive action against them. Nobody gets booted of twitter for supporting Brexit, deregulation or trickle-down economics. How is twitter biased?

  9. NobleLocks

    @Nigel
    It’s not a rickroll, it’s a viewpoint that you are most likely not to have heard. I don’t necessarily agree with everything she says but afaic she has a right to her own opinion and from what I’ve seen she genuinely cares for women and their current plight.

    Get out of your bubble for once man

      1. NobleLocks

        You claim that the standard of discourse here is poor, I agree with you and it’s because no one is listening to anything other than a viewpoint they’ve decided upon before they even find out what the woman actually said. You can denounce youtube all you like or you can listen to those you disagree with for once and try to see things from a different perspective. Or you can run back to the familiar bubble and stick your head in the warm woke sand. The choice is yours

        1. Nigel

          Look, I just hate watching videos, all right? Of any kind. Don’t know why. Weird personal bug. Link me an article or an audio file – fine. Video, nah. Just can’t. Can’t even watch the news – listen to it or read it, yeah. Watch? Ack, cringe.

          1. Micko

            Ehh.. an Audio file?

            Could ya just not close yer eyes while the video is on? Or minimise the screen?.

            Ta da – Audio only baby. ;P

  10. Anti Bots

    65 comments on some so called celeb on the Holocaust. Meanwhile millions are dying all over the worids (the retire SOQ will disagree, I know Bodger and his aliases will be here tonight and tomorrow with some plop re vaccines and no virus. You would all grow the p up. Just like the hair of “I’m so cool”. Go on, tell us again, about the baby eating people in Murica

  11. Chevy chase

    All credit to free speech at the end of the day, but what’s getting lost in this discussion is that it’s a win for the general public because she is one of the worst actors on the go.

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