Yet this country has the 4th lowest 14-day Covid-19 rate in the EU (129 per 100K).
Hungary (861), Netherlands (568), Italy (399), Germany (276), Romania (376) & Spain (210) all have far higher rates than Ireland and are hosting.
Was Ireland not able to promise the required 25% of fans in stadiums by June/July because it intends to continue Europe’s longest lockdown even longer than most ?
ce
I’m not sure I agree with it, but it does allow us to watch the petrie dish from afar
Maybe Ireland cares more about its people than a football game.
Charlie
+1 There will be a very limited attendance at the games everywhere. A few locals. Unfortunately, it also has the makings of a very soulless and boring tournament. Football won’t be the same for another year at least.
Charger Salmons
Limited attendance ? A few locals ?
Poland were due to play two of their games in Dublin – the atmosphere among our Polish residents would have been cracking.
Wait until the competition starts in June – there is no such thing as a boring European championships.
Unless of course you’re not in it …
Hehxbackofthenet.
Charlie
The Poles wouldn’t have turned up. They would have had to purchase tickets two years ago(not knowing they’d qualify or where they’d be playing). I was one of those subscribers. Come back when you know what you’re talking about.
The competition will be watery at best and devoid of atmosphere. I’ve been to the last 5 Euros and they’re only fun if you’re allowed travel and be a real part of it. The only place England fans will be travelling is to the local boozer wit their Englander pounds to drink bitter and moan about Brexit.
Charger Salmons
So what you’re saying is the Poles wouldn’t be able to purchase tickets because they were sold out two years ago ?
And you think there’s no interest in the Euros ?
You haven’t really thought this through have you ?
Doh !
Hehxowngoal.
Charlie
Christ, you’re even more stupid than I thought. You obviously know zilch about the ticket allocations and restrictions around the Euros. Stick with the TV cricket and jab counting.
Charger Salmons
I know that tickets for the Euros were vastly over-subscribed so to say venues where a minimum of 25% of fans is required are going to be ” watery and devoid of atmosphere ” are the thoughts of a numbskull.
Already postponed by a year the hotley-anticipated Euros are going to be THE sporting event of the summer across Europe.
You’re a silly boopkins.
Charlie
Dream on dopey. You havn’t a clue.
Unreal
Lord Findnaught of Worcestersauce
ce
Interesting/Infuriating – depending where on the Broadsheet Covid-cert/passport spectrum you position yourself:
“The reason for this recommendation is because while the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been shown to have 95% efficacy against illness (and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is 85% protective against severe disease), the clinical trials were not designed to test whether any of the trial participants contracted COVID-19 but showed no symptoms.
“The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,” Gandhi says. “Vaccines have always decreased transmission. What they should be saying is that the clinical trials were not designed to test for asymptomatic infection, but there is every biological reason in the world to believe that they will reduce asymptomatic transmission.”
There is already evidence to support this, she says. First, when the vaccines were studied in macaque monkeys (during preclinical testing), they did eliminate asymptomatic infection — researchers swabbed the vaccinated macaques’ noses and found little or no virus. Second, the types of antibodies that are stimulated by most systemic vaccines (IgG and IgA) do tend to block viral infection in the nose (and no viral load in the nose most likely translates to no transmission). Finally, when monoclonal antibodies are given to COVID-19 patients, those antibodies reduce the viral load throughout the respiratory tract, including the nose.
The most convincing evidence, though, is just starting to emerge among real-world data. In Israel, where more than 90% of those age 60 and over have been vaccinated, “cases have plummeted in this population,” Gandhi notes. “Not just hospitalizations, which we expected, but cases [asymptomatic infection] as well.” Moreover, data from vaccinated health care workers recently published in the Lancet and preprint servers show reduced rates of asymptomatic infection and low viral loads in the nose when swabbing after vaccination.
“I think that in a few months, we are going to be able to say with certainty that these vaccines not only protect you, they also protect those around you,” Ranney says.”
I’m sure you’ve encountered articles like these considering you spend every waking minute reading about covid online so you’ve chosen to ignore them and do your “just asking questions” bit. I’ve also seen this explained to you by Alick before re the primary and secondary aims of the vaccines – but anyway this is the reason why vaccine passports will function. As soon as enough information becomes organized so that they can prove asymptomatic transmission is lowered by the vaccines, the vaccine passports will be functional.
Micko
Eh…?
In that article she says “ “The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,” Gandhi says”
So other experts are wrong but she’s right? WTF?
Seems totally legit… ha ha ha ha!
And Israel- yes definitely a country we should be modelling ourselves after.
Besides, ye know what. I don’t care really. I have no real stake in this.
The EU have already said that proof of prior infection is all you need to get a green light on the travel passport.
So bring the Vax passports on. Myself and my family have already “recovered” from Covid. So it’s no skin off our schnozz.
There’s no need for us to get a rushed through jabberoooney.
So yeah – I guess I am just “asking questions”. For other people – coz my shizz is already sorted baby.
We are golden. I’ll be on a plane in June – no vax and no hassle.
Natural immunity is the best! ;)
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got to get back to spending every waking minute reading abo… zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz
Oro
Ok.
I’ll be on a plane in June too. Because I decided to be vaccinated. Nice to control your own reality than leave it up to chance infection eh? And I didn’t have to spread it to anyone in order to be able to travel ;)
Micko
Ooooh.
Jumped the queue ahead of poor 80 year old Mildred did ya? Did ya jab her in the eyes and clothesline her like Macho Man Randy Savage?
Stunning and brave.
*slow clap*
Wow – this public shaming stuff is really really satisfying. No wonder you people do it all the time.
I feel SO much better about myself now.
I gotta get me more of this! Muuuhahahaha!
Oro
No – I don’t live in Ireland, the vaccine schedule is different. I was eligible a few weeks ago (everyone over the age of 18 is where I am resident) and booked an appointment for a day later.
You’re a bit scattered today.
Micko
Ah right…
I see this is your first time playing “moral superiority chess” Oro
Facts have no place in this debate my dear. You lose by default.
I WOULD however have accepted:
a) What do you mean by “you people” Micko?
b) I am old and /or vulnerable Micko!
c) I am a carer or frontline worker Micko!
d) Basically anything other than what you said.
Random geographical location is NO way to climb the moral superiority hierarchy you know!!!
Came back next week for a chance to win a speedboat and a new fridge freezer. (Bodger will fork out the cash I hope)
Didn’t she do well everybody!!
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* I do think I might have go a bit too much sun today ;)
Oro
That’s a roundabout way of saying ‘oops’ but I’ll take it. I’m out to get some sun (that’s the geographical time diff) – til next time ;)
Micko
No it isn’t. I just don’t like to go for the kill or to be hurtful.
But whatevz.
Enjoy the sun ;)
Charger Salmons
Lady C and I are waiting for our 2nd Blighty jab.
We have three holidays lined up – two postponed from last year – so we’re going come what may.
Sure Belfast is just up the road …
f_lawless
@Oro
“The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,”
Strawman argument. The experts are saying that the vaccines do not prevent transmission. If the vaccines can’t guarantee the prevention of transmission and we’re being told that emerging new strains may potentially render current vaccines ineffective, then, leaving the ethical questions regarding civil liberties aside, vaccine passports are not going to be a viable approach to Covid-19 from a public health perspective.
“Nice to control your own reality” – by readily entering into a system whereby traveling and having access to everyday scenarios will be on condition of showing proof of having had a medical procedure? Sounds like the opposite of what you’re saying
@Micko
“So bring the Vax passports on. Myself and my family have already “recovered” from Covid. So it’s no skin off our schnozz”
I think you’re being complacent there. Isn’t the new legislation being designed to limit the legal validity of naturally acquired immunity to180 days?
” To facilitate free movement, and to ensure that restrictions of free movement currently in place during the COVID-19 pandemic can be lifted in a coordinated manner based on the latest scientific evidence available, an interoperable certificate of recovery should be established, containing the necessary information to clearly identify the person concerned and the date of a previous positive test for SARS-CoV-2 infection. A certificate of recovery should be issued at the earliest from the eleventh day after the first positive test and should be valid for not more than 180 days According to ECDC, recent evidence shows that despite shedding of viable SARS-CoV-2 between ten and twenty days from the onset of symptoms, convincing epidemiological studies have failed to show onward transmission of disease after day ten. The Commission should be empowered to change this period on the basis of guidance from the Health Security Committee or from ECDC, which is closely studying the evidence base for the duration of acquired immunity after recovery”
Micko
“ complacent!” FLawless?
Moi, never. You wound me sir! ;)
I a) only brought up my previous infection and therefore my ability to theoretically travel to wind up Oro, and b) there’s no way I’ll be travelling as long as these are required.
I’m not buying into the whole thing. I don’t need a foreign holiday for the next few years anyway. I’ve been to plenty of places already and….ummm…I’m not 8 years old – I can wait. ;)
I’ll review in a few years. Once more of the long term effects of the vax are know (if any)
“It’s the only way to be sure” – Ripley / Hicks
Oro
It didn’t wind me up. As long as you have antibodies by either infection or vaccine then it seems to be fine to fly. I’m not flying to holiday rather than to see my family (although it does act as a hol I suppose) – this is why vaccine passports work. Which was your initial question that I answered – about the vaccine passports. Just because you don’t need to travel internationally doesn’t mean other people won’t need to (not sure why this would be seen as childish either). This is why the vaccine passports are required. And I’m not playing any sort of moral superiority game I’m honestly just answering your questions. You’ve accused me of that and of skipping the vaccine queue – both of which are untrue and a little unfriendly tbh.
Micko
Well, my intention is not to be unfriendly. Or to hurt your feelings Oro. Have a laugh yes, but not hurt. Apologies if I’ve hurt your feelings..
Anyway. Enjoy the sun. And have a good day.
Oro
No feelings hurt in the slightest – unfriendly was what I said. Just if I engage someone in an upfront way it’s nice to be replied to in kind. Waste of time otherwise.
Micko
Well to be fair, your comment “ considering you spend every waking minute reading about covid online so you’ve chosen to ignore them and do your “just asking questions” bit.” was pretty unfriendly in your initial post.
Soooo, I know I’ve already declared that I’m not an 8 year old.
But… you did start it :-)
Anyway, have a good one.
Oro
Sorry if that hurt your feelings ;)
Micko
It’s ok. I forgive you
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That felt nice…
This must be what it’s like to be Jesus…
ce
No “Bunny Hugging” any more for Boris and Cummings…
Such a shame when breakups are so bitter….
Anyway, I think Boris/Downing Street went for the “bitter” former employee angle, so unless Cummings has something explosive – and which he himself is not implicated in – I’d say the Haystack is safe enough
… still highly entertaining, watching sociopaths try to knife each other in the back…
Cú Chulainn
Or the front..!! Meanwhile, looks like lockdown has done for those psycho gulls.. I’ll miss them you know..
ce
haha, yeah good point
I thought the Star was back on form with the Marmite spread – pardon the pun – but alas no gulls, maybe they’re just saving it for when we’re all outside again being attacked for our chips and ice-cream? …. be careful out there…
Charger Salmons
Set a reminder on your ‘phone to come back to me in a month’s time to see if anyone remotely remembers this story.
On second thoughts make that a week.
If revenge is a dish best served cold this is a lukewarm Pot Noodle Bombay Bad Boy.
ce
Agreed – but it’s still hilarious – I expect several silly mildly-embarrassing “revelations” and when nothing big lands all will be well for the Eton-Chav and Cummings can go back to writing blogs for the consumption of libertarian fantasists
ce
Nice on about “all parties” contravening GDPR… in fairness your hairdresser… should it every open again… is probably contravening GDPR
Anyways … no poop Sherlock … Could we have a referendum to insert something into the constitution stating that only media which was available former-1985 elections is permissible for use by Irish Political parties and independents … campaign song would also be mandatory
Anyway, looking forward to the Varadkar texts about SF all weekend… did he get his phone back from the guards yet???
Charlie
What a beautiful day. Get out and enjoy your weekend x
Lush
26° here today.
The bottles are chilling in the fridge and the terrace is installed under the cherry tree.
Charger Salmons
Aye, here too.
We have chums round later for a barbecue.
I have had pork chops marinading overnight in Charger’s Own Spectacular Sauce™ – a combination of hoisin sauce,sesame oil and Kaffir lime leaves – and some 21-day aged steaks.
And I awoke this morning with an urge to liberate some oaked chardonnay from the wine cellar which is now on ice.
Gin and ton-tons around one-ish should kick off proceedings.
Marvellous™
Spot of Bodge
Marinading
goldenbrown
an excellent short essay on those european super league shennanigans (and a rather disgusting aspect of modern life in general) if you have 5 mins to read….
“Super League shows why the deliberate stupidising of sport must be resisted”
Behind all the AstraZeneca/Oxford University jab hoopla another great vaccine development has been achieved by the university that has gone virtually unnoticed.
It has developed a malaria vaccine that has become the first ever to achieve the WHO-specified 75% efficacy.
Over the next decade it could save 3 to 4 million lives. Mostly children.
The University’s insistence that the Covid vaccine could only be developed by a pharma company willing to sell it at cost price means third-world and developing countries will get protection that it might not ordinarily be able to avoid – again saving many,many lives.
Truly extraordinary and pioneering work.
Great example of Pan-European partnership, well done all involved – shows what can be achieve with cooperation
Charger Salmons
Like the EU’s vaccine roll-out …?
* sniggers *
ce
The EU tool out was appalling but….a bit like the contract grabs in the UK… oh and the 150000 dead…. a power vacuum of sorts in the UK?… better get a Dyson…, waka waka
“Researchers from the University of Oxford and their partners [notice the word partners] have today reported findings from a Phase IIb trial of a candidate malaria vaccine, R21/Matrix-M, which demonstrated high-level efficacy of 77% over 12-months of follow-up….. Following these results, the Phase IIb trial, which was funded by the EDCTP2 programme supported by the European Union (grant number RIA2016V-1649-MMVC), was extended with a booster vaccination administered prior to the next malaria season one year later.”
As well as the brilliant scientists in Europe (who come from all over the world…) we should also mention Dr Cyrus Poonawalla of the Serum Institute of India said and Professor Alkassoum Maiga (Minister of Higher Education, Scientific Research and Innovation in Burkina Faso)… as I said well done all of these involved…
alickdouglas
Alternatively “Researchers from the University of Oxford finally realised that RTS,S/AS01 Mosquirix wasn’t such a bad vaccine after all, so they did just enough to adapt it so they could pretend they had some original thoughts and are now pretending that they invented something. The Oxford team have conveniently fogotten all the times they took the mickey out of the RTS,S approach in public. Some day they hope to have some original ideas, but until then they will just keep on waiting for groundbreakers in other institutions to do all the heavy lifting and then they’ll follow up 5 years later with slightly improved approach”.
Fixed it for you.
Charger Salmons
It’s funny how no-one else came up with the 75% efficacy vaccine before them isn’t it ?
If hindsight was a currency we’d all be filthy rich …
alickdouglas
Evidence there, that you don’t know what the 75% is measuring.
Charger Salmons
@ce
Guess what – local universities are not just for local people Tubbs …
ce
And they function best (and attract the best) when they have access to international funding and collaborations… many of which are now gone thanks to the B-word… most folks in UK universities – and even those in the Russel group – are still incredibly shocked and frustrated by their diminished access to the types of international funding and collaborations, like the one I quoted earlier – “EDCTP2 programme supported by the European Union (grant number RIA2016V-1649-MMVC) ” to refresh your memory – they’ll get on with it, they are brilliant people… but they actually appreciate just how much they’ve lost since “taking back control”… and that’s why it’s front and centre rather than simply a footnote on the Oxford site
Charger Salmons
no thank you
ce
Ireland’s answer to Dyson..
…. nobody sucks like Tory….
* sniggers *
Charger Salmons
Je suis Denis.
No wonder everyone is clearing off …
Hehxrunrabbitrunrabbitrunrunrun.
ce
“unrabbitrunrabbitrunrunru”
Just don’t be a bunny hugger
Kate
Denis Walsh will be laid to rest today in Limerick. Heartbreaking search by his loving parents since 1996 .
R.I.P. Denis.
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ce
The interview with his family on radio yesterday was heartbreaking
RIP
Daisy Chainsaw
DNA checking is a great thing. It brings justice to some and peace to others. RIP Denis.
Charger Salmons
Yes indeed.
RIP Denis…
goldenbrown
well what a day! cool along the east coast but lovely sunshine!!
everywhere I’ve gone has been completely black with people, like Electric Picnic level black…indoors the spars and coffee gaffs were also milling
I think if the numbers communicated to us 2 weeks from now aren’t in the 1000’s pd…. if they’re same old same old 400 pd give or take then there’ll be a few questions to answer
Apparently “many, many tens of thousands of people” marched through central London today in protest against vaccine passports. We need to start doing the same over here. Burying our heads in the sand in the hope it’ll all turn out for the best is not going to make the situation go away.
Ireland has lost out on hosting any Euros games.
Yet this country has the 4th lowest 14-day Covid-19 rate in the EU (129 per 100K).
Hungary (861), Netherlands (568), Italy (399), Germany (276), Romania (376) & Spain (210) all have far higher rates than Ireland and are hosting.
Was Ireland not able to promise the required 25% of fans in stadiums by June/July because it intends to continue Europe’s longest lockdown even longer than most ?
I’m not sure I agree with it, but it does allow us to watch the petrie dish from afar
You still tetchy at me Charger???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEoDTaraHms
Maybe Ireland cares more about its people than a football game.
+1 There will be a very limited attendance at the games everywhere. A few locals. Unfortunately, it also has the makings of a very soulless and boring tournament. Football won’t be the same for another year at least.
Limited attendance ? A few locals ?
Poland were due to play two of their games in Dublin – the atmosphere among our Polish residents would have been cracking.
Wait until the competition starts in June – there is no such thing as a boring European championships.
Unless of course you’re not in it …
Hehxbackofthenet.
The Poles wouldn’t have turned up. They would have had to purchase tickets two years ago(not knowing they’d qualify or where they’d be playing). I was one of those subscribers. Come back when you know what you’re talking about.
The competition will be watery at best and devoid of atmosphere. I’ve been to the last 5 Euros and they’re only fun if you’re allowed travel and be a real part of it. The only place England fans will be travelling is to the local boozer wit their Englander pounds to drink bitter and moan about Brexit.
So what you’re saying is the Poles wouldn’t be able to purchase tickets because they were sold out two years ago ?
And you think there’s no interest in the Euros ?
You haven’t really thought this through have you ?
Doh !
Hehxowngoal.
Christ, you’re even more stupid than I thought. You obviously know zilch about the ticket allocations and restrictions around the Euros. Stick with the TV cricket and jab counting.
I know that tickets for the Euros were vastly over-subscribed so to say venues where a minimum of 25% of fans is required are going to be ” watery and devoid of atmosphere ” are the thoughts of a numbskull.
Already postponed by a year the hotley-anticipated Euros are going to be THE sporting event of the summer across Europe.
You’re a silly boopkins.
Dream on dopey. You havn’t a clue.
Lord Findnaught of Worcestersauce
Interesting/Infuriating – depending where on the Broadsheet Covid-cert/passport spectrum you position yourself:
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/apr/23/uk-arts-figures-covid-certificates-revive-industry-letter
I don’t really get these passports, in any sense.
Having a vaccine or antibodies from a previous infection doesn’t stop you from catching and transmitting Covid to someone else.
So what’s the point? What are they for?
Are they just another security theatre “box ticking exercise” to placate people into feeling safe, so society can return to normal?
https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/6-myths-about-covid-19-vaccines-debunked
“The reason for this recommendation is because while the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been shown to have 95% efficacy against illness (and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is 85% protective against severe disease), the clinical trials were not designed to test whether any of the trial participants contracted COVID-19 but showed no symptoms.
“The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,” Gandhi says. “Vaccines have always decreased transmission. What they should be saying is that the clinical trials were not designed to test for asymptomatic infection, but there is every biological reason in the world to believe that they will reduce asymptomatic transmission.”
There is already evidence to support this, she says. First, when the vaccines were studied in macaque monkeys (during preclinical testing), they did eliminate asymptomatic infection — researchers swabbed the vaccinated macaques’ noses and found little or no virus. Second, the types of antibodies that are stimulated by most systemic vaccines (IgG and IgA) do tend to block viral infection in the nose (and no viral load in the nose most likely translates to no transmission). Finally, when monoclonal antibodies are given to COVID-19 patients, those antibodies reduce the viral load throughout the respiratory tract, including the nose.
The most convincing evidence, though, is just starting to emerge among real-world data. In Israel, where more than 90% of those age 60 and over have been vaccinated, “cases have plummeted in this population,” Gandhi notes. “Not just hospitalizations, which we expected, but cases [asymptomatic infection] as well.” Moreover, data from vaccinated health care workers recently published in the Lancet and preprint servers show reduced rates of asymptomatic infection and low viral loads in the nose when swabbing after vaccination.
“I think that in a few months, we are going to be able to say with certainty that these vaccines not only protect you, they also protect those around you,” Ranney says.”
I’m sure you’ve encountered articles like these considering you spend every waking minute reading about covid online so you’ve chosen to ignore them and do your “just asking questions” bit. I’ve also seen this explained to you by Alick before re the primary and secondary aims of the vaccines – but anyway this is the reason why vaccine passports will function. As soon as enough information becomes organized so that they can prove asymptomatic transmission is lowered by the vaccines, the vaccine passports will be functional.
Eh…?
In that article she says “ “The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,” Gandhi says”
So other experts are wrong but she’s right? WTF?
Seems totally legit… ha ha ha ha!
And Israel- yes definitely a country we should be modelling ourselves after.
Besides, ye know what. I don’t care really. I have no real stake in this.
The EU have already said that proof of prior infection is all you need to get a green light on the travel passport.
So bring the Vax passports on. Myself and my family have already “recovered” from Covid. So it’s no skin off our schnozz.
There’s no need for us to get a rushed through jabberoooney.
So yeah – I guess I am just “asking questions”. For other people – coz my shizz is already sorted baby.
We are golden. I’ll be on a plane in June – no vax and no hassle.
Natural immunity is the best! ;)
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got to get back to spending every waking minute reading abo… zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz
Ok.
I’ll be on a plane in June too. Because I decided to be vaccinated. Nice to control your own reality than leave it up to chance infection eh? And I didn’t have to spread it to anyone in order to be able to travel ;)
Ooooh.
Jumped the queue ahead of poor 80 year old Mildred did ya? Did ya jab her in the eyes and clothesline her like Macho Man Randy Savage?
Stunning and brave.
*slow clap*
Wow – this public shaming stuff is really really satisfying. No wonder you people do it all the time.
I feel SO much better about myself now.
I gotta get me more of this! Muuuhahahaha!
No – I don’t live in Ireland, the vaccine schedule is different. I was eligible a few weeks ago (everyone over the age of 18 is where I am resident) and booked an appointment for a day later.
You’re a bit scattered today.
Ah right…
I see this is your first time playing “moral superiority chess” Oro
Facts have no place in this debate my dear. You lose by default.
I WOULD however have accepted:
a) What do you mean by “you people” Micko?
b) I am old and /or vulnerable Micko!
c) I am a carer or frontline worker Micko!
d) Basically anything other than what you said.
Random geographical location is NO way to climb the moral superiority hierarchy you know!!!
Came back next week for a chance to win a speedboat and a new fridge freezer. (Bodger will fork out the cash I hope)
Didn’t she do well everybody!!
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* I do think I might have go a bit too much sun today ;)
That’s a roundabout way of saying ‘oops’ but I’ll take it. I’m out to get some sun (that’s the geographical time diff) – til next time ;)
No it isn’t. I just don’t like to go for the kill or to be hurtful.
But whatevz.
Enjoy the sun ;)
Lady C and I are waiting for our 2nd Blighty jab.
We have three holidays lined up – two postponed from last year – so we’re going come what may.
Sure Belfast is just up the road …
@Oro
“The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,”
Strawman argument. The experts are saying that the vaccines do not prevent transmission. If the vaccines can’t guarantee the prevention of transmission and we’re being told that emerging new strains may potentially render current vaccines ineffective, then, leaving the ethical questions regarding civil liberties aside, vaccine passports are not going to be a viable approach to Covid-19 from a public health perspective.
“Nice to control your own reality” – by readily entering into a system whereby traveling and having access to everyday scenarios will be on condition of showing proof of having had a medical procedure? Sounds like the opposite of what you’re saying
@Micko
“So bring the Vax passports on. Myself and my family have already “recovered” from Covid. So it’s no skin off our schnozz”
I think you’re being complacent there. Isn’t the new legislation being designed to limit the legal validity of naturally acquired immunity to180 days?
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A52021PC0130&from=EN
Quote (emphasis mine)
” To facilitate free movement, and to ensure that restrictions of free movement currently in place during the COVID-19 pandemic can be lifted in a coordinated manner based on the latest scientific evidence available, an interoperable certificate of recovery should be established, containing the necessary information to clearly identify the person concerned and the date of a previous positive test for SARS-CoV-2 infection. A certificate of recovery should be issued at the earliest from the eleventh day after the first positive test and should be valid for not more than 180 days According to ECDC, recent evidence shows that despite shedding of viable SARS-CoV-2 between ten and twenty days from the onset of symptoms, convincing epidemiological studies have failed to show onward transmission of disease after day ten. The Commission should be empowered to change this period on the basis of guidance from the Health Security Committee or from ECDC, which is closely studying the evidence base for the duration of acquired immunity after recovery”
“ complacent!” FLawless?
Moi, never. You wound me sir! ;)
I a) only brought up my previous infection and therefore my ability to theoretically travel to wind up Oro, and b) there’s no way I’ll be travelling as long as these are required.
I’m not buying into the whole thing. I don’t need a foreign holiday for the next few years anyway. I’ve been to plenty of places already and….ummm…I’m not 8 years old – I can wait. ;)
I’ll review in a few years. Once more of the long term effects of the vax are know (if any)
“It’s the only way to be sure” – Ripley / Hicks
It didn’t wind me up. As long as you have antibodies by either infection or vaccine then it seems to be fine to fly. I’m not flying to holiday rather than to see my family (although it does act as a hol I suppose) – this is why vaccine passports work. Which was your initial question that I answered – about the vaccine passports. Just because you don’t need to travel internationally doesn’t mean other people won’t need to (not sure why this would be seen as childish either). This is why the vaccine passports are required. And I’m not playing any sort of moral superiority game I’m honestly just answering your questions. You’ve accused me of that and of skipping the vaccine queue – both of which are untrue and a little unfriendly tbh.
Well, my intention is not to be unfriendly. Or to hurt your feelings Oro. Have a laugh yes, but not hurt. Apologies if I’ve hurt your feelings..
Anyway. Enjoy the sun. And have a good day.
No feelings hurt in the slightest – unfriendly was what I said. Just if I engage someone in an upfront way it’s nice to be replied to in kind. Waste of time otherwise.
Well to be fair, your comment “ considering you spend every waking minute reading about covid online so you’ve chosen to ignore them and do your “just asking questions” bit.” was pretty unfriendly in your initial post.
Soooo, I know I’ve already declared that I’m not an 8 year old.
But… you did start it :-)
Anyway, have a good one.
Sorry if that hurt your feelings ;)
It’s ok. I forgive you
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That felt nice…
This must be what it’s like to be Jesus…
No “Bunny Hugging” any more for Boris and Cummings…
Such a shame when breakups are so bitter….
Anyway, I think Boris/Downing Street went for the “bitter” former employee angle, so unless Cummings has something explosive – and which he himself is not implicated in – I’d say the Haystack is safe enough
… still highly entertaining, watching sociopaths try to knife each other in the back…
Or the front..!! Meanwhile, looks like lockdown has done for those psycho gulls.. I’ll miss them you know..
haha, yeah good point
I thought the Star was back on form with the Marmite spread – pardon the pun – but alas no gulls, maybe they’re just saving it for when we’re all outside again being attacked for our chips and ice-cream? …. be careful out there…
Set a reminder on your ‘phone to come back to me in a month’s time to see if anyone remotely remembers this story.
On second thoughts make that a week.
If revenge is a dish best served cold this is a lukewarm Pot Noodle Bombay Bad Boy.
Agreed – but it’s still hilarious – I expect several silly mildly-embarrassing “revelations” and when nothing big lands all will be well for the Eton-Chav and Cummings can go back to writing blogs for the consumption of libertarian fantasists
Nice on about “all parties” contravening GDPR… in fairness your hairdresser… should it every open again… is probably contravening GDPR
Anyways … no poop Sherlock … Could we have a referendum to insert something into the constitution stating that only media which was available former-1985 elections is permissible for use by Irish Political parties and independents … campaign song would also be mandatory
Anyway, looking forward to the Varadkar texts about SF all weekend… did he get his phone back from the guards yet???
What a beautiful day. Get out and enjoy your weekend x
26° here today.
The bottles are chilling in the fridge and the terrace is installed under the cherry tree.
Aye, here too.
We have chums round later for a barbecue.
I have had pork chops marinading overnight in Charger’s Own Spectacular Sauce™ – a combination of hoisin sauce,sesame oil and Kaffir lime leaves – and some 21-day aged steaks.
And I awoke this morning with an urge to liberate some oaked chardonnay from the wine cellar which is now on ice.
Gin and ton-tons around one-ish should kick off proceedings.
Marvellous™
Marinading
an excellent short essay on those european super league shennanigans (and a rather disgusting aspect of modern life in general) if you have 5 mins to read….
“Super League shows why the deliberate stupidising of sport must be resisted”
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/24/super-leagues-dumbing-down-of-youth-laid-bare-a-brainchild-of-stupid-old-men
Behind all the AstraZeneca/Oxford University jab hoopla another great vaccine development has been achieved by the university that has gone virtually unnoticed.
It has developed a malaria vaccine that has become the first ever to achieve the WHO-specified 75% efficacy.
Over the next decade it could save 3 to 4 million lives. Mostly children.
The University’s insistence that the Covid vaccine could only be developed by a pharma company willing to sell it at cost price means third-world and developing countries will get protection that it might not ordinarily be able to avoid – again saving many,many lives.
Truly extraordinary and pioneering work.
https://twitter.com/UniofOxford/status/1385596000937684997
Great example of Pan-European partnership, well done all involved – shows what can be achieve with cooperation
Like the EU’s vaccine roll-out …?
* sniggers *
The EU tool out was appalling but….a bit like the contract grabs in the UK… oh and the 150000 dead…. a power vacuum of sorts in the UK?… better get a Dyson…, waka waka
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-04-23-malaria-vaccine-becomes-first-achieve-who-specified-75-efficacy-goal
“Researchers from the University of Oxford and their partners [notice the word partners] have today reported findings from a Phase IIb trial of a candidate malaria vaccine, R21/Matrix-M, which demonstrated high-level efficacy of 77% over 12-months of follow-up….. Following these results, the Phase IIb trial, which was funded by the EDCTP2 programme supported by the European Union (grant number RIA2016V-1649-MMVC), was extended with a booster vaccination administered prior to the next malaria season one year later.”
As well as the brilliant scientists in Europe (who come from all over the world…) we should also mention Dr Cyrus Poonawalla of the Serum Institute of India said and Professor Alkassoum Maiga (Minister of Higher Education, Scientific Research and Innovation in Burkina Faso)… as I said well done all of these involved…
Alternatively “Researchers from the University of Oxford finally realised that RTS,S/AS01 Mosquirix wasn’t such a bad vaccine after all, so they did just enough to adapt it so they could pretend they had some original thoughts and are now pretending that they invented something. The Oxford team have conveniently fogotten all the times they took the mickey out of the RTS,S approach in public. Some day they hope to have some original ideas, but until then they will just keep on waiting for groundbreakers in other institutions to do all the heavy lifting and then they’ll follow up 5 years later with slightly improved approach”.
Fixed it for you.
It’s funny how no-one else came up with the 75% efficacy vaccine before them isn’t it ?
If hindsight was a currency we’d all be filthy rich …
Evidence there, that you don’t know what the 75% is measuring.
@ce
Guess what – local universities are not just for local people Tubbs …
And they function best (and attract the best) when they have access to international funding and collaborations… many of which are now gone thanks to the B-word… most folks in UK universities – and even those in the Russel group – are still incredibly shocked and frustrated by their diminished access to the types of international funding and collaborations, like the one I quoted earlier – “EDCTP2 programme supported by the European Union (grant number RIA2016V-1649-MMVC) ” to refresh your memory – they’ll get on with it, they are brilliant people… but they actually appreciate just how much they’ve lost since “taking back control”… and that’s why it’s front and centre rather than simply a footnote on the Oxford site
no thank you
Ireland’s answer to Dyson..
…. nobody sucks like Tory….
* sniggers *
Je suis Denis.
No wonder everyone is clearing off …
Hehxrunrabbitrunrabbitrunrunrun.
“unrabbitrunrabbitrunrunru”
Just don’t be a bunny hugger
Denis Walsh will be laid to rest today in Limerick. Heartbreaking search by his loving parents since 1996 .
R.I.P. Denis.
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The interview with his family on radio yesterday was heartbreaking
RIP
DNA checking is a great thing. It brings justice to some and peace to others. RIP Denis.
Yes indeed.
RIP Denis…
well what a day! cool along the east coast but lovely sunshine!!
everywhere I’ve gone has been completely black with people, like Electric Picnic level black…indoors the spars and coffee gaffs were also milling
I think if the numbers communicated to us 2 weeks from now aren’t in the 1000’s pd…. if they’re same old same old 400 pd give or take then there’ll be a few questions to answer
let’s see…
LoL
it’s outa control
thought I’d pop out for a well earned pint
literally rivers of piss
yeuch I’m outa here!!
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1386045489968205826
Apparently “many, many tens of thousands of people” marched through central London today in protest against vaccine passports. We need to start doing the same over here. Burying our heads in the sand in the hope it’ll all turn out for the best is not going to make the situation go away.