Why is the buck stopping at Hancock? Bozo should be copping the flak.
scottser
Who cares?
Cú Chulainn
Perhaps Dominic has framed the debate in such a way as to support Bozo. It’s Hancock and the experts that are to blame. Yes Bozo is a mess, that’s why we all love him, butter.. what’s not being said, yet, is that once Bozo knew the full extent of the problem, he delivered the best vaccine response in the world, and beat the EU. Let’s see how this committee ends up.. but, this is just another play for the gullible Brits..
Tinytim
Probably the NHS is responsible for the vaccination success, not Boris.
This is a success for them, certainly. I hope their gamble on single jab first pays off in longer term.
That said this still accounts for only one element of pandemic management – shall we say one scene of a multi act play. Their extremely poor response for almost entire 2020 meant way too many people died. People who were not ‘going to die anyway’.
Ireland failed miserably at the outset with the nursing homes, But did subsequently improve their response, at very least better than UK.
It’s great having all those anti-mask/lockdown people giving out on this site on occasion. Maybe some of those would be dead today ( and many others) if Ireland had followed UK.
Micko
“ Maybe some of those would be dead today”
Yeah that’s great an all. But since you’re going for an aul hypothetical.
Maybe Gar would still be alive if it wasn’t for lockdown? His wife thinks so.
that’s incredibly sad,
a friend of mines son has hung himself he couldn’t handle being shut up in the flat.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
“If there wasn’t a pandemic” – Yes, the pandemic is terrible and everyone wants it to end.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
I do think we have to acknowledge that there are many suicides and aggravated mental health problems directly linked to loss of income, career, isolation, become victims of domestic abuse with even less options to leave and so on, I know especially for people in apartments who in Paris needed written permission slips to be outside for an hour to do the shopping it’s been catastrophic.
Micko
That’s terrible Janet. I know of one other person also (other than Gar) who took his own life too.
Very hard in people living in apartments too. Especially with kids.
@formerly -You seem to be absolutely certain that the lockdown was the correct decision to make.
An almost global decision that we have never taken before in history for any previous pandemic.
How can you be so sure?
Also, what the craic with Oz back in lockdown?
You guys are coming into your winter right? It’s end of autumn now yeah?
SOQ
Cummins is trying to present himself as an impartial player to save his own neck. But he was right at the heart of it and is as culpable as the rest.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
@SOQ – I agree.
Kate
A creepy alien with a pulsating head who drools at the prospect of eating Boris Johnsons baby sums up Cummins quite well.
It’s easy with hindsight to point out failures in this pandemic …..most countries including ourselves were caught on the hop with covid. In fact we still don’t know 18 months later what caused it. Maybe know all thunderhead could advise..
Donald McCarthy
Being caught on the hop is what we do best. The Covid “crisis” will be a pat on the back compared to the climate malavoguing on the way.
Clampers Outside
+1 Kate. The spongoing up of of Cummings ranting leaves me in a chuckle-facepalm.
Clampers Outside
That stray ‘o’, tsk, tsk…
Clampers Outside
And ‘of’ :)
Nigel
It was easy to point out Johnson’s and Cummins’ pandemic failures as they were making them, because they were big and obvious and lethally stupid. Hindsight was not necessary. Most countries were caught on the hop because they neglected or ignored pandemic response preperations, which experts have been flagging for years. In the case of the US, they had a pandemic response plan four years ago, but it was defunded, dismantled and ignored. Don’t let these homicidal idiots off the hook.
f_lawless
Breaking: the latest piece of Covid scare porn just dropped.
“NEW THREAT: New ‘Thai Covid variant’ detected in the UK.”
The sheen of the ‘Indian variant’ scare is starting to fade despite all the hype. Could do with a helping hand
I wonder why they’re not calling it the Egyptian Variant’. From that article ‘It was first detected in Thailand in cases of people who had originally travelled from Egypt.’
SOQ
I wonder what poor Thailand has done to deserve this? Approving the use of a Chinese vaccine maybe?
They are having a spike- it will be interesting to see if it follows the usual Gompertz pattern- they are in the northern hemisphere after all but are just moving into their rainy season, which means more indoor transmission.
Cian
Surely they are equatorial, sitting as the do between 6° and 20° N
SOQ
Well it appears that the patterns don’t strictly sit on a geographical location as the infections rates between different US states show. The biggest factor is probably that people are indoors much more now.
Thailand is a country located at the center of the Indo-Chinese Peninsula in Southeast Asia. It is located in Northern and Eastern hemispheres of the Earth.
It is possible that there will be two different infection patterns depending on where within the country.
Cian
So have you dropped the whole “seasonal” aspect of covid?
Where are you now on:
“It’s just a flu”
and
“we had herd immunity by the summer of 2020”
and
“there won’t be a second wave”
and
“cases are meaningless”
SOQ
The seasonal element is glaringly obvious now as the hospitalisation rates show.
If you are under 70 then more risk from the flu yes.
Cases are meaningless because PCR is meaningless- rapid antigen is way better method of determining someone’s infectiousness.
Hear immunity is reached in certain communities yes, nationally not so much because middle class and rich people were hiding away. There is no doubt but that shop workers for example, would have high levels of exposure at this point.
Anything else?
Cian
LOL
you are changing your previously held beliefs.
“herd immunity” –> “herd immunity in certain (poor) communities”; bovine-poo. you were pushing full reopening because there was full immunity.
“cases are meaningless” -> except there is an established record across practically every country in the world showing increase of deaths following increases of cases (this link has lessened i countries with mass vaccination)
Do you remember last December – we had this discussion almost daily – as I pointed out the inexorable rise in cases, hospitalisations and ICU and predicted deaths would rise too? What happened in January/February? you disappeared off BS until the numbers came back down there were 2,000 Covid deaths.
Within 3 months the UK deaths has (almost) doubled.
You were wrong then. You’re still wrong now. Admit it.
Ghost of Yep
A friend of a friend had it. Cleared up after penicillin and a trial separation.
Clampers Outside
Funny how Cummings word couldn’t be trusted when he was with Bozo… Now he’s embittered and attacking Bozo is word is to be believed… LOL!
Fupp that :)
Micko
I find it very amusing.
He’s one of the goodies now. ;)
Redundant Proofreaders Society
+1
It’s like a bonus season of The Thick of It.
Alistair Campbell Boris-bashes with abandon when he frequently guests on Newstalk – also worth a listen.
goldenbrown
hm. I’m beginning to feel a little left out
how much longer do we have to wait for our own “Irish Variant”?
Paulus
Oh there will be much more specific and localised versions here:
It’ll kick off with the Termonfeckin-awful variant.
Why is the buck stopping at Hancock? Bozo should be copping the flak.
Who cares?
Perhaps Dominic has framed the debate in such a way as to support Bozo. It’s Hancock and the experts that are to blame. Yes Bozo is a mess, that’s why we all love him, butter.. what’s not being said, yet, is that once Bozo knew the full extent of the problem, he delivered the best vaccine response in the world, and beat the EU. Let’s see how this committee ends up.. but, this is just another play for the gullible Brits..
Probably the NHS is responsible for the vaccination success, not Boris.
This is a success for them, certainly. I hope their gamble on single jab first pays off in longer term.
That said this still accounts for only one element of pandemic management – shall we say one scene of a multi act play. Their extremely poor response for almost entire 2020 meant way too many people died. People who were not ‘going to die anyway’.
Ireland failed miserably at the outset with the nursing homes, But did subsequently improve their response, at very least better than UK.
It’s great having all those anti-mask/lockdown people giving out on this site on occasion. Maybe some of those would be dead today ( and many others) if Ireland had followed UK.
“ Maybe some of those would be dead today”
Yeah that’s great an all. But since you’re going for an aul hypothetical.
Maybe Gar would still be alive if it wasn’t for lockdown? His wife thinks so.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/a-musician-s-suicide-gar-would-be-alive-today-if-there-wasn-t-a-pandemic-1.4493837?mode=amp
that’s incredibly sad,
a friend of mines son has hung himself he couldn’t handle being shut up in the flat.
“If there wasn’t a pandemic” – Yes, the pandemic is terrible and everyone wants it to end.
I do think we have to acknowledge that there are many suicides and aggravated mental health problems directly linked to loss of income, career, isolation, become victims of domestic abuse with even less options to leave and so on, I know especially for people in apartments who in Paris needed written permission slips to be outside for an hour to do the shopping it’s been catastrophic.
That’s terrible Janet. I know of one other person also (other than Gar) who took his own life too.
Very hard in people living in apartments too. Especially with kids.
@formerly -You seem to be absolutely certain that the lockdown was the correct decision to make.
An almost global decision that we have never taken before in history for any previous pandemic.
How can you be so sure?
Also, what the craic with Oz back in lockdown?
You guys are coming into your winter right? It’s end of autumn now yeah?
Cummins is trying to present himself as an impartial player to save his own neck. But he was right at the heart of it and is as culpable as the rest.
@SOQ – I agree.
A creepy alien with a pulsating head who drools at the prospect of eating Boris Johnsons baby sums up Cummins quite well.
It’s easy with hindsight to point out failures in this pandemic …..most countries including ourselves were caught on the hop with covid. In fact we still don’t know 18 months later what caused it. Maybe know all thunderhead could advise..
Being caught on the hop is what we do best. The Covid “crisis” will be a pat on the back compared to the climate malavoguing on the way.
+1 Kate. The spongoing up of of Cummings ranting leaves me in a chuckle-facepalm.
That stray ‘o’, tsk, tsk…
And ‘of’ :)
It was easy to point out Johnson’s and Cummins’ pandemic failures as they were making them, because they were big and obvious and lethally stupid. Hindsight was not necessary. Most countries were caught on the hop because they neglected or ignored pandemic response preperations, which experts have been flagging for years. In the case of the US, they had a pandemic response plan four years ago, but it was defunded, dismantled and ignored. Don’t let these homicidal idiots off the hook.
Breaking: the latest piece of Covid scare porn just dropped.
“NEW THREAT: New ‘Thai Covid variant’ detected in the UK.”
The sheen of the ‘Indian variant’ scare is starting to fade despite all the hype. Could do with a helping hand
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15088889/new-thai-covid-variant-uk-cases-indian-variant-double
I wonder why they’re not calling it the Egyptian Variant’. From that article ‘It was first detected in Thailand in cases of people who had originally travelled from Egypt.’
I wonder what poor Thailand has done to deserve this? Approving the use of a Chinese vaccine maybe?
They are having a spike- it will be interesting to see if it follows the usual Gompertz pattern- they are in the northern hemisphere after all but are just moving into their rainy season, which means more indoor transmission.
Surely they are equatorial, sitting as the do between 6° and 20° N
Well it appears that the patterns don’t strictly sit on a geographical location as the infections rates between different US states show. The biggest factor is probably that people are indoors much more now.
Thailand is a country located at the center of the Indo-Chinese Peninsula in Southeast Asia. It is located in Northern and Eastern hemispheres of the Earth.
https://www.worldatlas.com/maps/thailand
It is possible that there will be two different infection patterns depending on where within the country.
So have you dropped the whole “seasonal” aspect of covid?
Where are you now on:
“It’s just a flu”
and
“we had herd immunity by the summer of 2020”
and
“there won’t be a second wave”
and
“cases are meaningless”
The seasonal element is glaringly obvious now as the hospitalisation rates show.
If you are under 70 then more risk from the flu yes.
Cases are meaningless because PCR is meaningless- rapid antigen is way better method of determining someone’s infectiousness.
Hear immunity is reached in certain communities yes, nationally not so much because middle class and rich people were hiding away. There is no doubt but that shop workers for example, would have high levels of exposure at this point.
Anything else?
LOL
you are changing your previously held beliefs.
“herd immunity” –> “herd immunity in certain (poor) communities”; bovine-poo. you were pushing full reopening because there was full immunity.
“cases are meaningless” -> except there is an established record across practically every country in the world showing increase of deaths following increases of cases (this link has lessened i countries with mass vaccination)
Do you remember last December – we had this discussion almost daily – as I pointed out the inexorable rise in cases, hospitalisations and ICU and predicted deaths would rise too? What happened in January/February?
you disappeared off BS until the numbers came back downthere were 2,000 Covid deaths.“there won’t be a second wave”????
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/12/14/new-strain/#comment-2275487
This is you ‘giving out’ about the UK’s lockdowns in December (on 14 Dec there were 65,000 UK deaths).
Within 3 months the UK deaths has (almost) doubled.
You were wrong then. You’re still wrong now. Admit it.
A friend of a friend had it. Cleared up after penicillin and a trial separation.
Funny how Cummings word couldn’t be trusted when he was with Bozo… Now he’s embittered and attacking Bozo is word is to be believed… LOL!
Fupp that :)
I find it very amusing.
He’s one of the goodies now. ;)
+1
It’s like a bonus season of The Thick of It.
Alistair Campbell Boris-bashes with abandon when he frequently guests on Newstalk – also worth a listen.
hm. I’m beginning to feel a little left out
how much longer do we have to wait for our own “Irish Variant”?
Oh there will be much more specific and localised versions here:
It’ll kick off with the Termonfeckin-awful variant.