Last night.

Budapest, Hungary.

After his Republic of Ireland players were booed before the teams played out a goalless draw against Hungary, manager Stephen Kenny said:

“The fact it was booed is incomprehensible really, and it must be damaging for Hungary, with the Euros in Hungary.

“It’s disappointing and it doesn’t reflect well on Hungary really, on Hungarian support. It doesn’t reflect well.

“Our players wanted to do it. It’s important. It’s an important stance and I commend them for taking that stance.

“I think it was the right decision. I approached [the Football Association of Ireland’s international operations manager] Barry Gleeson and said it was something we wanted to do, take the knee, and I think it’s a very important message.”

Alternatively.

Stephen Kenny: Republic of Ireland boss brands Hungary fans who booed his players taking a knee as ‘incomprehensible’ (Sky)

Meanwhile…

Beautiful game, in fairness.

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97 thoughts on “COYBLM

  1. frank

    If it’s all about respect why not respect the fans choice to boo?
    I’m sure some people believe they should only kneel in front of their God. That should be respected.

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    1. Nigel

      Why respect a choice that doesn’t deserve it? If the fans kneeled and the players booed, I\d be with the fans.

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        1. Nigel

          What do you mean? Am I not allowed to repsect some things and not respect others without being branded an extremist?

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          1. frank

            I’m not sure. Are you?
            likewise, are they not?

            I haven’t set myself up as the gatekeeper of ‘respect’ you have with this –
            “Why respect a choice that doesn’t deserve it?”

            That’s a question of nihilistic extremism.

            It means you don’t respect a choice that doesn’t deserve your respect. It would mean you are the arbitrator of both someone else’s thought process, their desire to express this opinion and also the custodian of the act of ‘respect’ how it should and should not be applied, to whom, in what situation etc.

            That isn’t ‘respect’ or ‘choice’, that’s control.

            That is an extreme position.

          2. Nigel

            If you’re not the gatekeeper of what you do and do not respect then who the hell is? I’m not the arbitratotr of anything except my own opinions and they exert precisely no control over anyone. If you genuinely think it’s extreme to respect some things and not others we have come to a weird, weird place.

          3. frank

            If you’re not the gatekeeper of what you do and do not respect then who the hell is?
            Well… you are Nigel, as you are perfectly illustrating how else could you arrive at “Why respect a choice that doesn’t deserve it?”

            “If you genuinely think it’s extreme to respect some things and not others”
            I genuinely think you don’t understand respect.

          4. Nigel

            Are you seriously demanding that I suspend judgement on other people’s choices made in a public venue in relation to a public issue on pain of being branded an extremist? G’way and shite. No respect for that opinion either.

          5. frank

            They’re your words Nigel. I don’t have to ‘make anything up’.

            Why respect a choice that doesn’t deserve it?

            Read that sentence you wrote and have a think.

          6. Nigel

            You didn’t have to. But you did.

            That’s, not a demand, that’s a personal opinion. I can see how you get the two confused. No, wait. I can’t.

          7. frank

            Why respect a choice that doesn’t deserve it?

            That’s your question Nigel.

            You tell me why?

          8. Nigel

            Uh… the answer is… don’t? Don’t respect choices that don’t deserve respect? Handy rule of thumb.

          9. frank

            Don’t respect choices that don’t deserve respect?
            &
            Why respect a choice that doesn’t deserve it?

            If both of the above were slogans of the English Defence League or Westboro Baptist Church or Opus Dei etc. or any hate group would they still be ‘handy rules of thumb’?

          10. Nigel

            If they were the slogans of The Justice League and The Avengers and She-Ra And The Power Princesses, or any group of superheroic good guys would they still be a handy rule of thumb?

          11. frank

            No they would not, because they are both messages of hate, intolerance and extremism.

        2. Nigel

          Okay, well, you just go ahead and respect things that don’t deserve respect. It’s your choice. And i respect it.*

          *no i don’t

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          1. frank

            “Okay, well, you just go ahead and respect things that don’t deserve respect. It’s your choice. And i respect it.*
            *no i don’t”

            For a moment I thought you could see the fallacy in your argument*

            *I didn’t really, but I did hope.

            You can’t fight intolerance and hate with intolerance and hate.

            You won’t win.

            You’ve already lost.

            Respect.

          2. Nigel

            If you want to respect intolerance and hate, you go ahead. That actually rarely ends well.

          3. Frank

            even in the most hate filled individuals I think if you cast aside your own prejudices a common ground can be found.

            love your brother Nigel

        3. Finbarr

          I’ll show you you terrified whenever I get back to the Dublin town! I might also show you a bit of extremism while Im at it and if your lucky throw a slice of existentialism and a 99 (ohne flake) into your functioning ear.
          Daft undef cint.

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          1. K. Cavan

            Yes, Nigel, you do. Opinions often clash, luckily in this case, rights do not. The players can continue taking the knee, the fans can continue booing & everything’s hunky dory. The players can also avoid being booed by ending the virtue signalling, whenever they choose. The problems only arise when authoritarian woke types in the media start demanding that one side must have their rights removed, because the media doesn’t share their opinion. That’s called Fundamentalism, something only supported by the more evil among us.

    2. Charlie

      I understand individuals wanting to take the knee but I don’t understand people booing. It’s a total lack of respect for other people’s opinions.

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      1. K. Cavan

        Charlie, I totally disrespect your opinion on this subject, completely disagree, I think it’s infantile, subjective nonsense, utterly illogical garbage, right? Do you think I shouldn’t be allowed to?

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          1. K. Cavan

            Everyone has the right to disagree with, disrespect, laugh at or vilify anyone else’s opinion, what they don’t have the right to do is interfere with anyone’s right to expression. It’s very, very simple. Fair exchange is no robbery.

  2. Bitnboxy

    I could not give a toss whether they kneeled or not. Although a nice troll of Orban’s Putinisation of Hungary TBF.

    Aside from far-right Youth Defence aka Grift Media getting bent out of shape and far-left activitists goading them, most of us think there are bigger issues to get upset about.

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          1. italia'90

            Damn it!
            I knew I should have signed up for
            the Rapacious Oligarchy Pleasure Package instead
            of the entry level Global Spectre Peon Economic Unit
            membership plan.

            I’ll be paying my taxes directly to Viktor in a few years.
            That Soros funded degree paid off for him in the end.
            :)

  3. seanydelight

    Orban stuffed both the stadium and the EU at once yesterday.
    I’d be interested what the consistent and seemingly unrelated chanting was through out the game. Didn’t seem based on the match. At times when Hungary played well there was still angry chanting, too disciplined to be based on the match before them.

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  4. Micko

    Ah the “taking a knee” bit.

    The modern equivalent of saying “I have a black friend you know”

    Doesn’t do anything, doesn’t help anyone and is a box ticking exercise to show solidarity without actually having to do anything.

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    1. Charlie

      A bit like those marching for Palestine or waving Palestinian flags when the majority havn’t a bulls notion about the issues. A bit like those waving the Gay flag saying ‘I have a gay friend ye know’. I hear ya :-).

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      1. Micko

        Well I think the Palestine thing is different, coz it’s an actual war with people dying.

        But basically yup ;)

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        1. Charlie

          To many football fans the war on the pitch is more important than Palestine. Then again, many of those same fans probably wave the Palestinian flag too but get their info from the Gaza branch of An Phoblacht :-).

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    2. Nigel

      Well you literally do something – you kneel. Given the response it provokes, it clearly isn’t that trivial a gesture.

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      1. Micko

        I think it’s just a response of people being absolutely peed off and tired with this stuff.

        Everyone can agree that racism is a bad thing. That’s the default position.

        Those players might as well be kneeling to protest about being anti-murder, anti-genocide or anti-rape.

        Of course you are “anti” those things – 99.9% of the population are.

        It’s literally the default position…

        There is no virtue in signalling that.

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        1. Nigel

          I guess they somehow got that 0.01% of the population into the stadium? If kneeling is trivial, not booing is even less so. They didn’t even manage that.

          I’m not sure that your assertion that those are ‘default’ piositions survives even the mildest of scrutiny. There seems to be way too much rape, murder, genocide and racism in the world for it to be that simple.

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          1. Micko

            “There seems to be way too much rape, murder, genocide and racism in the world”

            Really?

            It’s SO RARE that it literally makes the newspapers.

            For example, murder in Ireland in 2019 was 55 people out of a population of 4.9 Million

            That’s 0.0011224489795918% of the population dying from that – or what we call RAAAARE AS FECK

            Next!

          2. K. Cavan

            No, Nigel, if kneeling is trivial, so is booing. Both are expressions of opinion. The fans that boo know that BLM are race-baiting con-artists, that this is all the US’s political luggage arriving at the wrong destination, 4,000 miles from where it needs to be.

          3. K. Cavan

            There is less racism, genocide, murder & rape in the world than there’s ever been in the entire history of the human race, Nigel. There will always be evil acts, as long as there are people to commit them & all decent people will always abhor them, too. We actually have laws forbidding all the above crimes, that would tend to indicate that, as Micko has patiently pointed out to you, they are default positions for the vast majority. Christ, man, will you get a bloody grip.

    3. K. Cavan

      Virtue Signalling, Micko & when you see Kyle Walker virtue signal you know it’s the emptiest gesture you’ll ever witness. His recent escapades include cheating on his partner & impregnating a woman on a one-night stand & hiring a bevvy of prostitutes for a birthday party, during lockdown. Footballers are mostly wealthy, uneducated, ignorant boors, no paragons of virtue, just of virtue signalling.

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  5. eoin

    BLM are race grifters who couldn’t care less about black people. All these sporting types getting on their knees for BLM are either idiots or too scared to defy their virtue signaling bosses.

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    1. Finbarr

      In fairness Eoin, out of all the SOQs, the Michaels, the taken too many E’s Matty and the big lazy dog himself, you are the wurst. Time will come for you and you will love it.
      Meanwhile…

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  6. Bruncvik

    In March, the media were full of outrage that the Polish team didn’t take the knee before their game against England. Since then, several other countries declared they would not be taking the knee, in solidarity with the Polish and with the Czech team Slavia, due to another faux racist outrage during their game against Glasgow Rangers. From what I remember, both incidents were extensively discussed in local media and many fans voiced their opposition against what they considered western political correctness. So, I’m not at all surprised that the fans booed the act of taking the knee. I actually believe that just as with the England – Poland game, had the fans behaved normally, the media would be outraged at the Hungarians for not taking the knee.

    (That said, I personally wouldn’t waste the energy to boo. Taking a knee is about as effective as wearing a poppy, and voicing your opinion for or against it is a waste of breath.)

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  7. Junkface

    Sports is meant to be free of politics. I think the whole kneeling thing is becoming a silly charade. It will not stop online trolls racially abusing players. Just like you can never stop every single racist in society from being an idiot. It’s just toothless activism and sloganeering. The general public can see through it. Even black UK players are standing tall and proud instead, which is a more powerful and dignified image. The kneeling thing looks quasi religious and odd the longer it goes on.

    BLM as a message with regards to George Floyd being murdered is a strong one we all can agree with, but the BLM organization have done little to help black communities in the USA. In fact BLM leaders have proven to be hypocrites and frauds by stealing donated money to buy several houses in sunny states. How does that help poor black kids in rundown communities?

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    1. Oro

      Lol sports is extremely political. It always has been, always will be. And that’s not a perversion of it, that’s how it just is.

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      1. K. Cavan

        Oro, if you actually think sport is extremely political (& always has been), I’d love you to try to back that up. In what way is sport political? An example or two? An indication of the wondrous logic that brought you to that ridiculous statement? Do you think politics is sport, also? Do you reckon everything is the same as everything else, when you boil it down? You’re clearly aware you’re talking through your hat? Do none of your friends or family challenge you on your chundering? I’m afraid ”that’s just how it is” does not cut it.

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    2. K. Cavan

      Junkface, BLM are not part of or interested in solutions, they exist to spread division & hate. They represent a financial minority, their paymasters, the Globalist Elites, who need to divide in order to conquer, not any racial minorities. No minorities in the US want the police defunded or any of the other nonsense BLM come out with. The death of Afro-Americans in attempted arrests owes as much or more to the idea abroad among male Afro-Americans that they can safely resist arrest to infinity, what Glen Loury calls ”the bad motherf*cker problem”, as it does to bad behaviour by cops. In a typical year, where 14 unarmed Afro-Americans die resisting arrest, 7,000 are murdered by members of their own community but black lives don’t matter so much when they’re ended by other blacks, because you can’t use that to racially profile or abuse anyone.

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      1. Darren

        Is it real to say that the place where your information comes from is itself an opinion?

        Also wonder if the player who blesses himself before entering the pitch would warrant the same type of supporter response as seems to be justified here throughout the comments?

        Symbolic gestures are often personal but can also be collective. That’s not new. The only change is the cause or asserted sentiment. Obviously no one is racist so it’s worth wondering what is the difficulty in seeing race afforded a moment of solemn and public reflection?

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      2. Nigel

        The Globallist Elites are using the Black Man to spread division and hate in order to conquer the US? What a novel idea. I would like to subscribe to your Protocols.

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  8. Point

    Old lads shouting that the world is changing.

    Racism is a problem. Racism is a very big problem in football.

    Let’s do something?

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    1. K. Cavan

      Could you elucidate, Point? Expand beyond the sloganeering about ”racism being a big problem in football”, which you heard in the media? Sport is a meritocracy, meritocracy knows no colour. The Millwall fans who were pilloried by the bourgeois UK media for booing their team taking the knee to BLM voted a black player as their player of the season, that simply couldn’t happen if they were racist. So there’s something else going on, something that is not covered by the blatant, puerile bigotry of just labelling large, disparate groups of people as racist, because you heard it on the BBC. Anyway, what is the Big Problem of Racism in Football? Anything? I see bunches of men or women of every colour competing equally, embracing in victory, commiserating in defeat, scenes that are to be found very rarely outside The Beautiful Game. Football & sport in general are beacons of Non-Racism, despite what middle-class graduates in Race-Baiting, who’ve never played or watched any sport, may think & they should keep their spotty little noses out of it, the ignorant spoofers.

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  9. Finbarr

    elucidate??
    Myself, Adam Idah, Chiedozie Ogbene and Darren Randolph will be back in town Friday avo if your available for a face to face.
    As john of the lennon family once sang, we can work it out cint.

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  10. Scundered

    Fans went to see a football match, not to get a political lecture, plus the fans live in the real world and realise that BLM was a very obvious grift from day 1, one of the leaders spent money on buying herself 4 houses worth huge amounts of cash, and now has left… Yeah that’s really helping the black community. Besides that, the violence they caused led to billions of dollars of damage, so it’s no wonder people don’t wish to be associated with it, whilst there were plenty of people supporting it with good intentions it was just a big grift and it’s time the FA realised this. Show your fight against racism in some other way, not via support for an openly Marxist organisation with a history of violence.

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    1. Nigel

      They didn’t get a lecture, they just saw some players kneel because they don’t want black people to be murdered by police.

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      1. scundered

        What has it got to do with football? It’s a sports event, and even more ridiculous when you consider the following:

        These figures from the BBC:

        Over the past 10 years, 164 people have died in or following police custody in England and Wales, according to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) – the body responsible for police complaints.

        Death in custody is the term for anybody who dies while in the custody of the state – this could include while being detained by a police officer or while being held as a prisoner in a police station.

        Of the deaths in the last 10 years:

        141 were white
        13 were black
        10 were from other minority ethnic groups.

        https://www.bbc.com/news/52890363

        So when are you going to start campaigning for white people? Do they not matter?

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