49 thoughts on “Thursday’s Papers

  1. f_lawless

    UK Conservative MP, Mark Harper, posted this today:


    “Documents I have seen confirm that work is underway in Govt to plan for Covid restrictions this autumn and winter…

    …once people (who want it) are vaccinated, we must have an open society and proper ability for individuals to balance risks. We cannot hold society captive”

    Much of the Irish government’s Covid response has been in lockstep with the UK’s and I think it’s a safe bet to assume that come autumn and winter, the plan is to impose further lockdowns here too. We can speculate as to why they’re doing this, but either way it’s clear that the kind of liberal democratic society we were once accustomed to is getting rapidly eroded away.

    I don’t think it’s ever been simply about protecting the public from the threat Covid-19. Over a year ago, there were those speculating that an ulterior motive existed to usher us into a new era of society where we’d all have been psychologically conditioned to accept diminished civil liberties and greatly-increased state control as the norm – aka the (not-so-great) ‘Great Reset’. The way things are playing out, I’m all the more inclined to subscribe to that view. Am still not going to go passively along with it though ;)

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      Also, of course, the governments of the world are planning for the virus being around for a long time. It would be crazy to hope it disappears – leave that response to Trump.

      1. SOQ

        No repository virus disappears but after two seasons they settle into an endemic stage which means like the rest, they are always there and may flare up again once there is enough hosts to pass it on.

        I don’t know why people cannot understand that viruses will behave differently in different climates. There is a clear flu like seasonal pattern in Europe but that is not comparable to Australia and especially New Zealand, which has one of the lowest annual respiratory rates in the world

    2. SOQ

      Well it is quite obvious now that things are not as they seem, but I expect it is by accident rather than design or in other words- incompetence rather than intelligence. That they are now power hungry should be of no surprise and a lot of the damage done will not be revealed until things return to normal- so kicking ‘normal’ down the road is a strategy.

      One thing I am certain of is that they are absolutely desperate to get people jabbed- even those of little of no risk- which just not make sense. Injecting people with something which cannot have been fully tested is to cause wilful harm and if the real goal is biometric passports, then it should be resisted at all times.

      1. Cian

        Um. I hate to be the bearer of bad news.

        Ireland rolled out biometric passports in 2006.

        You missed the boat on resisting that one.

          1. Cian

            Yeah, and once vaccinated if you hold your passport within 15cm of your body the magnetic nanoparticles from the vaccine will connect to it using 5G and validate you are who you say you are and can also update the passport with you vaccination status. They will regularly ‘degrade’ your status (like Apple did with their batteries to force you to upgrade) so you will get booster shots.


          2. Junkface

            I would recommend watching the 1918 Spanish Flu documentary on Netflix. There’s also a good one on youtube. It really shows that the concerns and worries people have now where almost identical 100 years or so ago, including incompetent politicians messing up on the appropriate responses. It’s all there. We’ve been through this before and come out the other side. The main difference is the internet and the information age we’re living through. Most worrying for me is the profit and control that companies like Amazon now have worldwide.

          3. SOQ

            I dis agree Junk- just look at the additional fatalities of that period compared to now.

            That was a real pandemic- what we have now is just a hysterical over reaction because the bodies just aren’t there- and countries like Sweden which never locked down still come in below European average.

          4. Nigel

            Back when it was a pandemic you claimed it wasn’t. Now you claim it was then, but isn’t now. I think this encapsulates everybody’s problem with the credibility of your judgement perfectly.

          1. Cian

            Should *all* health information be private?

            I agree that 99% of my health information (the bits that don’t affect anyone else) should be private. But what about the bits that can affect others? Should that be available in certain circumstances?

            Many people will get a STD-check when they start a new relationship – and share it with their partner.

            I don’t think it is unreasonable for a country to want to know your status regarding a contagious disease – i.e. are you immune [(a) vaccinated, or (b) have been infected, or have anti-bodies, or are currently infected] or not..

          2. Nigel

            Requiring that you disclose personal information relating to vaccinations and contact with contagious diseases is absolutely nothing new. I don’t mind people being concerned about issues around tech, surveillance and privacy, but this is a weak reed to stand it on, and while there is sure to be some exploitation and opportunism surrounding it, those concerns will only be solved through a international approach focused on the broad issues, not this specific public health emergency.

          3. SOQ

            Information on a vaccine which does not prevent infectiousness should never be used to deny people services or employment- there is no communitarian argument- its all BS.

          4. Cian

            No vaccine provides 100% protection from infectiousness.

            Measles vaccine ‘only’ provides 97% protection.
            Chickenpox vaccine ‘only’ provides 98% protection.
            whooping cough vaccine doesn’t last to adulthood
            Pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine is only 50-80% effective

            I really don’t know why you think the covid vaccines would be different…

          5. SOQ

            Dear God why has this to be repeated- the only certainty is that some people can remain infectious- everything else is speculation. A claim of 70-80-90% reduction for a virus which is clearly out of season is nonsense- even the manufactures don’t claim that.

            Below is an example of someone who post vax had SARS-Cov-2 in near every organ in his body- there was no viral reduction in that case, at all.

            And that is the argument now isn’t it? Reduced viral load = reduced infectiousness?

    3. Joe

      You are of course correct, every society on Earth despite their extreme political differences be it China or the USA or Russia is involved all together in the Great Reset. Their true OverLords are reptilian Lizards that have replaced all of the world leaders and they are out to get you!

      You don’t have to go passively along with it, it is far too late for that,the MRNA vaccines have being pumped into the water supply and all beverages including genetically modified tea leafs and coffee beans.

      Once all of the 5G towers are installed they will pump out the activate signal for The Great Reset

      If you think my post sounds hopefully deranged and stupid then please read your own posts again as you appear to be suffering from paranoid delusions and you should seek medical advice !

    1. Clampers Outside

      It started with the WEF / World Economic Forum… see their website / just Google for more.

  2. Tom J

    Had a problem with my WiFi, had to press the great reset button. Everything is grand now.

  3. Donald McCarthy

    Covid is just a dry run for the great climate wetting which will be followed by the great bed-wetting. We do love our reset buttons and we do believe we can switch off and on again those disagreeable things which do not function as we would like. Or we see climate as a junkyard dog kept on a leash of our own devising. We alter the leash like we shift goalposts. The baseline industrial start is moved 100 years, then 150 years, to make the dog less dangerous but in reality the chains are meaningless and the dog is prowling on the perimeter. I woke last night to the sound of thunder and watched the last night move across a sky full of nothing. Relieved, I went back to sleep and dreamed of a bitter world.

  4. Kim Cardassian

    The Great Reset is when you purge all the nutcase conspiracy theorists from your life

    1. Kdoc

      It’s impossible to get rid of them. They are like a bad penny – one always turns up. It’s only a matter of time before Aisling O’Loughlin finds a home here.

    2. SOQ

      OK so here is “a conspiracy” for you-

      First Autopsy of COVID Vaccinated Patient Found Spike Proteins In Every Organ of Body

      The first-ever postmortem study of a patient vaccinated against COVID-19 has revealed that viral RNA was found in every organ of the patient’s body, meaning that the vaccine is either ineffective or the coronavirus actually spreads faster in vaccinated individuals.

      In other words, although the COVID-19 vaccine triggered an immune response within the body, it didn’t appear to stop the spread of the virus, and therefore the spread of harmful viral spike proteins, throughout the body.


      A sign of things to come? I sincerely hope not.

      1. Joe

        Its too late all of the MRNA vaccines have been pumped into the water supply and everyone now has spike proteins!

        Please seek medical support you are expressing total paranoia in your posts now.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            Oooh some knuckledragger on Infowars interpreting medical data! That will be a totes legit take for sure!!

            Where does it specifically state about “viral RNA was found in every organ of the patient’s body, meaning that the vaccine is either ineffective or the coronavirus actually spreads faster in vaccinated individuals”?

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            What part of the ncbi report specifically states that? Not the knuckledragger from a racist website’s interpretation of it.

      2. Cian

        More conspiracy rubbish.
        1. The Scoop is a far-right publisher of questionable material.
        2. The heading “First Autopsy of COVID Vaccinated Patient Found Spike Proteins In Every Organ of Body” is false (if you read the linked postmortem study you see this is not true)
        3. The bit “The first-ever postmortem study of a patient vaccinated against COVID-19 has revealed that viral RNA was found in every organ of the patient’s body, meaning that the vaccine is either ineffective or the coronavirus actually spreads faster in vaccinated individuals.” is not supported by the postmortem study.
        3. Their conclusion “This is just more bombshell scientific evidence that the COVID-19 vaccine likely does more harm than good, and may actually even accelerate the spread of the coronavirus.” isn’t supported by the postmortem study.

        1. SOQ

          Postmortem molecular mapping by real-time polymerase chain reaction revealed relevant SARS-CoV-2 cycle threshold values in all organs examined (oropharynx, olfactory mucosa, trachea, lungs, heart, kidney and cerebrum) except for the liver and olfactory bulb.

          So the spike protein, which is part of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, was present in near all organs? They don’t go as far as saying he died of CoVid-19- but nobody else is claiming that.

          1. Cian

            #2 You agree that the headline was false (the liver *is* an organ).

            #3 “the coronavirus actually spreads faster in vaccinated individuals.”
            #4 “COVID-19 vaccine likely does more harm than good, and may actually even accelerate the spread of the coronavirus”

            there weren’t mentioned in the postmortem. They are lies.

          2. SOQ

            Slanting I agree but sure if the same came from RTÉ you’d be all over ignoring it- you professional you- do you actually have a conscience?


      3. Kim Cardassian

        Thanks SOQ, I’ll file that under “solid source of factual evidence” and I’ll get to it after I’ve read Ulysses.

  5. GiggidyGoo

    Judges complaining about social media commenting on them, because they can’t ‘answer back’.
    Boot on the other foot so.

    Holohan get a trophy. More gobpooery

  6. f_lawless

    This is something to behold: James Corden and Ariana Grande singing their little hearts out in this high-end video production

    “Oh -oh-oh look at my hair,
    I’m no longer scared
    To have it cut,
    It’s what we’ve been waiting for,
    No lockdown anymore,
    Hug your family,
    Feeling so relieved,
    Once you’ve got the vacciiinneee!”

    1. Micko

      Yikes. The vaccine will sole everything so!

      This whole Covid Anxiety Syndrome is getting out of hand.

      We have four friends (two couples) who still won’t meet up with any of us until they have “at least one jab”

      Funny thing is, both couples were fine with meeting up around the time last year. The promise of the vaccine solving all their problems seems to be a real thing. I think Christmas broke them.

      We’re just putting no pressure on them and just looking forward to seeing them when they get their jab. Each to their own I guess.

      1. SOQ

        I’m waiting for the jab against the gay variant- but what happens if you have already caught ‘gay’?

        1. italia'90

          Isn’t it obvious Dr SOQ?

          You get the “Special” spike protein injection
          which gives you lifelong immunity to Twink
          and freedom of the town of Cobh.

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