Absolute destruction on this French TV debate:
“You are telling me I’m a health risk because I’m unvaccinated, but you are health risk because you are obese.” pic.twitter.com/ONlMYirlFj
— Marie Oakes (@TheMarieOakes) August 9, 2021
Eau.
*wobble*
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Most of the Irish rugby team would be considered obese using BMI measurements.
Ratlickers gonna ratlick.
Totally missing the point in fairness
The point appears to have been ‘I’m unvaccinated but you’re fat.’ If that was absolute destruction I’d hate to think what a ‘yer Ma’ comeback would have achieved.
Totally missing the point in fairness
Lost in translation?
Yer ma
Obesity is a major risk factor in covid death – regardless of vaccination status.
A healthy 30 year old is at less risk than a vaccinated obese 30 year old.
Ok, but being obese is a health risk to nobody but the person who is obese. Being unvaccinated is a health risk to the person and to everyone around them.
What about front line staff that have to lug said obese person around?
There’ll be less obese people with covid to ‘lug around’ if everyone gets vaccinated, that’s what.
The fatter you are, the more doses of the vaccine you need. Average obese person requires 5-8 doses of each vaccine.
Boilleaux.
Nige – are unvaccinated people more likely to spread the disease than vaccinated people? And if so, to what extent?
ah nigel, you wouldn’t say that if he fell on ye.
spat out my tea, ye divil
78% of those hospitalized for covid in the US have been obese. Its the #1 (other than age) risk factor for serious medical issues from covid. This has been well known for over a year at this stage.
As mentioned by another poster, an obese vaccinated 30 year old is at higher risk than an unvaccinated healthy weight 30 year olds. Its absolutely huge the difference.
In a logical world governments all over the West would have been massively raising awareness of this, pushing people to exercise and lose weight. But because this would be a hard (but worthwhile) battle its been completely ignored.
‘As mentioned by another poster, an obese vaccinated 30 year old is at higher risk than an unvaccinated healthy weight 30 year olds.’
And as I said, those are different risks.
They’re both personal risk factors for the virus easily mitigated by taking personal action. What exactly is different about them?
Anyone whos obese is willfully putting themselves at high risk, and increasing pressure on our hospital systems.
We should have had (or could still have) a massive public health campaign telling people they need to be a healthy weight, or they’re at a hugely increased risk from covid.
First of all it’s a mistake and a presumption to say that obesity os a personal or a moral failing, let alone that a ‘public health campaign’ (as if such don’t already exist) would reduce obesity in the population, when government regulations about bad food and advertising would be more effective and appropriate.
Second of all they are risk factors, but they are different risk factors. Different risk factors are not in some sort of competition with each other, nor do they cancel each other out in completely different people. It’s a cheap nasty shot, nothing more.
We have no equivalent public health campaign. There are literally constant reminders of the availability (and neccessity) of vaccination to reduce the risk of covid in every form of Irish media. But nothing is said about the dangers of obesity, despite it being just as much of a personal risk factor. And just as easily avoided.
Theres nothing cheap or nasty about it – the statistics speak for themselves. If someone chooses to be obese (and yes, it is a personal failing – nobody magically becomes obese overnight) they’re putting themselves at an equivalent risk of choosing not to be vaccinated. And selfishly putting just as much strain on the emergency services.
I’m sorry but obesity as a health issue in the context of coivd is in no way equivalent to the vaccination issue. The vaccination is urgent, time-sensitive, applies to everyone regardless of weight, and can be accomplished with two appontments a few weeks apart, as opposed to a major undertaking of lifestyle changes that can take years to accomplish weight-loss for any given individual. There have been no end of warnings about the dangers of obesity as an underlying factor, so I don’t even know what you’re complainining about, other than the usual thoroughly acceptable hatred of peope with weight issues.
The statistics show its directly comparable. An obese person is as much of a risk to themselves, and to our hospitals getting overwhelmed, as an unvaccinated person. Its just as selfish, dangerous, behaviour.
Obesity is also just as urgent and time sensitive. Its absolute nonsense to claim it would take years to accomplish anything – an immediate difference can be made. If someone starts losing weight this week then they’re immediately less at risk next week. And the week after that. And so on. Its a gradual, compounding, process.
There really haven’t been sufficient warnings about it at all. It should being broadcast every day in the papers, on the radio, and on TV. Its nothing to do with “hating people with weight issues”, its simply making people aware of the facts. I can guarantee you most obese people in Ireland aren’t aware they could reduce their risk of dying of covid by 50%+ if they moved from an obese to a healthy weight.
(nevermind the myriad of other health benefits…)
Theres just really no defense for someone deliberately, selfishly, choosing to stay at an obese weight given everything we know about how risky that is with regards to covid now.
most overweight people don’t even realise they are as it is very normaliséd here ( sorry but it’s true )
Well, I’m sure all the people who are ill, physically or mentally, or disabled or suffer eating disorders or injuries or who maybe just reached middle age and thanks to a busy lifestyle or a sedentary job found it hard to keep the flab off and people who just happen to have slow metabolisms or were born with the ‘wrong’ body shape will be delighted to hear that they’re being selfish. Well done, well said, two thumbs up.
A wrong body shape ? That’s a good one…and nonsense.
Oh come on tell me pear-shaped women aren’t told they’re fat.
it’s not born wrong, you can be a fit pear, most Irish are apples anyway ( which is much worse for your heart )
A diet laden with cheap and empty carbs on top of all that saturated and processed trans fats, the base Irish diet is pi$$ poor. It enrages me at how stupid, how really stupid people are with it comes to their health. Diet is pretty everything when it comes to wellbeing. Well that and the taking the vaccine.
for a country that grows such great veg, people seem very reluctant to eat it
As usual Zaccone your info is incorrect. 78% were overweight which is not the same as obese. For context 68% of all American adults are overweight.
“As usual Zaccone your info is incorrect”
Well that’s just incorrect.
@Nigel: “born with the wrong body shape” — what absolute nonsense is this? No human being is born clinically obese. It takes years of eating too much, and moving too little, to become obese.
If someone said “Oh I can’t get vaccinated I have a busy lifestyle” they’d be roundly condemned. Using it as an excuse for being obese is no different.
I’m sorry if you don’t like the statistics, but you’re behaving just as selfishly and unreasonably as an antivaxxer with your defense of obesity.
We’ve known about the links between covid risk and obesity since at least June of last year. Anyone can lose a bare minimum of 1KG a month with even a little effort. Over 15 months thats 15KG/33lbs lost, which would make a huge difference to anyone’s risk profile.
So either A) people are unaware of the links between covid risks and obesity – which is fair enough, and would be the government’s fault for not raising awareness of the issue, as I suggested initially. Or B) they are aware of this and have chosen not to lose the weight. Which makes them incredibly selfish and/or lazy.
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@George:
“27.8 percent were overweight and 50.2 were obese, according to the CDC” — https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/78-of-covid-19-patients-hospitalized-in-the-us-overweight-or-obese-cdc-finds.html
And only ~40% of the US is obese — https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
I’m not really sure what point you’re attempting to make though – do you disagree that obesity is a major risk factor in risk from covid? Because there are plenty of studies that have shown that at this stage, its not exactly controversial.
” and would be the government’s fault for not raising awareness of the issue, ”
Didn’t the UK government try to do something like this a few months ago and were lambasted for it?
I seem to remember Johnson coming out and saying he’d lost some weight and the UK citizens should try to do the same if they were overweight.
‘I’m sorry if you don’t like the statistics, but you’re behaving just as selfishly and unreasonably as an antivaxxer with your defense of obesity.’
I’m not defending obesity I’m taking issue with your puritan morality that tretas it as a sin. If people could lose weight as easily as they can get vaccinated the queues would be out the door.
nothing good comes easy
Tell Zaccone.
Theres nothing puritan about it. Its simple statistics. Anyone whos obese who wants to lower their risk of complications from covid massively, and reduce stress on the hospital system, needs to lose weight.
Every single human is capable of losing weight if they eat less and move more. Nobody is born obese, or forced to be that way. Its really not that hard or complicated.
would you take a beautiful car and leave it to rust in a garage, give it diesel when it’s petrol or drive it constantly in first gear…no, yet that’s what people do to their beautiful perfect bodies that you only get one of every day
And yet people are obese. Either they are all bad people, or there are other factors at play.
in my humble opinion
it starts at home with bad examples,
stupid kids menus,
not eating at a table as a family or at set times,
lack of éducation on how to cook basics, thinking a take out or eating crap is a “treat “,
a genuine addiction to sugar,
a weird cultural réaction that any cooking is ” fancy” or an effort,
ridiculous portion sizes,
I could go on but I know I sound like a dose and that’s half the problem
ROFL x 19
Most of the Irish rugby team can run the 100 in under 10 seconds.
They’d all qualify for the Olympics if they could. So no, they can’t. None of them can.
Indeed.
https://www.ruck.co.uk/top-10-fastest-rugby-players-of-all-time/5/
The 2nd fastest rugby player of all time is a chap who switched to 7s when he couldn’t make the US olympic sprint team. His PB was 10.13 seconds.
Denis Hickie allegedly ran a sub 11s on the track once upon a time as a junior, but I can’t find confirmation of that.
ROFL meself
Name one sub 10 for the 100m on the Irish Rugby Panel
Hiya V. All going grand I hope!
Anyways. Paul Hession holds the Irish 100m record at 10.18.
In an All Ireland Final !!!!
By batin’ Kilkenny
Only thing to bate this mood now is if I win the EuroMillions tomorrow night
Changed my normal route to Jones Road
Went via Connelly thru Portland Row
For the vibe etc
Twas like the stations without the kneeling up and down
Turned out to be lucky
But totally what we deserved, as the man said
Inch by inch
It honestly didn’t feel like we’d scored 37 points
Anyway
I’ll be taking no chances in September
I’ll be doing the passion from Connelly Station Luas again
I’ll even wear the same drawers – just to be sure like
Hon’ hon’ hon’ ya bhoy’ya Cork
But not using BF% measurements.
What is your point?
Sheeple ‘r us will be Sheeple even
the french love telling you you’ve put on a few pounds, even colleagues in work won’t pull any punches, no one will ever tell you stuff like you wear it well or as long as your happy etc,
I couldn’t believe I was only weighed once at the beginning of my pregnancy, my gyno in France weighed me every visit preggo or not,
it’s one of the biggest social differences here, I think in general wemon are happier with themselves here and kinder to each other ( I didn’t see it that way when I first got back )
Ah yes, the French ‘left-handed compliment’: “the belly suits you”.
He hehe
Pretty funny comeback in fairness.
Also, nice headline Bodger.
The worst MP film but still great ;)
So the unvaccinated are 2 times more likely to be reinfected with covid than the vaccinated… Seems to confirm the unvaccinated are a greater risk of spreading it.
Obese people if vaccinated, I assume, would be less likely to spread it than an unvaccinated person. That is the difference.
I see Texas is not doing well. 4 ICU beds left in one of the big cities.
Reminds me of that Nolan clown up north shouting at people for not wearing masks- and him waddling around with a belly like a poisoned pup.
Didn’t realize obesity was contagious. You learn something new every day.
Also data from Israel (and new studies from Imperial College London) suggest there is no difference in infection rates between vaxxed and unvaxxed now with delta variant. Only differences are outcomes (good).
So unvaccinated people being a health risk – lol.
^ THIS ^ – the whole passport shambles is falling apart.
From Public Health England
“The briefing includes updated hospitalisation data for Delta, which shows that in the period since the last update on 19 July, 1,467 people were hospitalised with cases of Delta confirmed by sequencing or genotyping. Of these, 808 (55.1%) were unvaccinated, while 512 (34.9%) had received both doses of the vaccine.”
So 44.5 % of hospital admissions and at least one jab.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-variants-identified-in-uk
In the UK, 75% of adults have had both doses and 90% one dose.
So 55% of hospital admissions came from 10% of the population (who are unvaccinated).
How exactly do these figures add weight to your argument?
Because while it may reduce the risk of getting ill, it certainly does not eliminate it and is nowhere near the efficacy rates claimed by the manufacturers?
Combine that with the emerging evidence that vaccinated are just as likely to be infectious- and I fail to see any argument for putting young people’s health at risk from side effects.
Pure spin and distortion to say “may reduce the risk of getting ill” – as evidenced by the figures YOU posted above, the vaccines dramatically reduce the risk of getting ill. And that’s a certainty – there is no “may” to it. Same with “it certainly does not eliminate it”. There was never any claim of that. We are talking 90-95% efficacy and that’s always been the case.
And as for “emerging evidence that vaccinated are just as likely to be infectious”. Rubbish.
44.5 % of hospital admissions had at least one jab and 34.9% have had two. That is all that has been stated.
There is no way of knowing what percentage that is of those who have those who are vaccinated and have been infected by SARS-Cov-2 but, pretty sure it is not an efficacy of 95%+.
And as for “emerging evidence that vaccinated are just as likely to be infectious”- see Mr T’s comment above- unless you are disputing the figures coming out of Israel too.
Does Broadsheet not have any higher-caliber ratlickers? Are SOK and Micko the best on here?
Awww… too cute.
Look at him. Pretending he’s not a regular contributor under a new alias.
Adorable.
is he not a different Andrew anymore ?
It’ll be Elizabeth, or Harry, or Charles, or Camilla next. Maybe even Beatrice.
Marvellous
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“ halfwit ratlicker”
Hey, have you spoken to Daisy?
Coz I think you might have a copyright issue there…
I am liking the angry Andrew though. It’s very impressive.
Did you take too many of your pain meds? :p
New lad on website spends his first week calling regulars “idiots, ratlickers, liars, uninformed, agenda driven morons” and then accuses them of “piling on him”
You’ve gone full SJW my boy!
Never go full SJW…
‘As Israel’s Delta variant wave spreads beyond middle class towns with very high vaccine coverage, the protective effect of the vaccine becomes more obvious in the data.’
https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1424725296754855936
It’s childish and deflects, not “le mot (or mots) juste” as the headline might imply.
While we’re well used to it here, addressing a topic by ignoring a question and pointing to an unrelated subject is not a marvellous exemplar of intellectual and debating prowess. People need to do better and answer the questions they’re asked in good faith. The whole “yeah but” approach is more at home in the sand pit.
A joke at a fat man’s expense is a joke at a fat man’s expense. It’s not Gore Vidal versus William F. Buckley Jr.
I felt a bit sorry for him when he answered I’m not obese, it was the hurt tone
In the interest of balance…
https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40355543.html
I’ve just returned from a couple of very pleasant weeks in eastern Germany area where everything is going very well and they aren’t pushing vaccines down your 12 year old child’s throat on an hourly basis.
How is that possible?
I got the Antigen 48hr test pre departure Ryanair to Brandenberg accepted no problem, check the fine print for test types accepted)
There are FREE antigen testing centres on near every single street, main train station, larger hotels. Anytime you want to go out and you’ve timed out you go in for a quick test, result, into club/whatever.
Stricter on the mask type but things feel waaaay more relaxed than Dublin (where btw I’ve been going out without hindrance and to much collaborative mirth on behalf of the establishments in question)
The only time I needed the fancier PCR test was to get back into Ireland on the return leg. I paid €38 for that.
We are being played for gobsheens.
https://www.transferofvalue.ie/ToVData/PFI
An interesting summary of the funds Pfizer transfer to various groups & people. There’s €250,000 in there given to the HSE.
Yes that is VERY interesting- the first time it has happened I believe.
Why is it “VERY interesting”? And did you really “believe” it was the first time?
It’s common practice and happens everywhere.
From 2017, for intance:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/drug-firms-give-3-7m-in-financial-support-to-hospitals-1.3138335
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Yeah… I’m gonna go with Andy taking to many pain meds today.
Sleep it off dude.
wait until the dry humping starts..oh wrong thread
That’s called a srt8 stag do in a gay sauna- it does happen- difference is swim shorts- fair enough as long as everyone does their own thing eh?