That Greek photo reminds me of the infamous My Lai pic from Vietnam. I hope the message makes it through.
Ian - oG
It won’t. People prefer conspiracy theories to real problems because real problems require real change and real efforts that neither the CEOs or the tinfoil hat brigrade see any value in addressing.
Depressing stuff. Better to just pretend its all at best “scaremongering” than give up those freedumbs hard won via posting incessant youtube videos.
Ben Madigan
To replace daily COVID case numbers, maybe the media could tell us how many cubic metres of polar ice cap have melted in the previous 24 hrs…
Nigel
Unfortunately I don’t think there will be a scarcity of dramatic climate change stories going forward.
f_lawless
Can I ask what real efforts have you made to make real changes since you first became aware of this problem? Joined environmental awareness campaigns in your local area perhaps? Started growing your own food maybe? Adopted a much less consumerist life and encouraged those around you to do the same?
I’m assuming that you must have been making some real efforts as you clearly see yourself as a morally superior member of society in that regard
I drove my old Subaru until it was 20 years old – you can argue whether that is environmentally friendly. I used to cycle commute to work. My road bicycle is 20 years old . I have a 5kw solar system on my roof since 2011. That is the max allowed at the time. I will be getting a battery and increasing my solar capacity. I replaced all the windows in my house with double glazing. I compost…oh and I vote Green. The Aussie Greens are better than the Irish Greens.
f_lawless
Sounds commendable although my question was a response to Ian o-G’s comment
ce
I helped engineer an experimental vaccine to sterilise or kill a significant proportion of the population leaving a new paradise for the illuminati and a few of their chosen slaves…
Nigel
It’s odd that half of Europe is on fire, along with sizable parts of the US and Siberia, chunks of Germany washed away in floods and another heat wave over central Europe, but your concern is someone’s perceived attitude of moral superiority?
Cian
I haven’t taken a foreign holiday in over 18 months. No flying for me!
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
not a good look for a state employee ?;)
ian-oG
I don’t see myself as morally superior, I see myself as doing a few things we can all do. I had a bigger reply posted out but decided not to post it, suffice to say we don’t need a new smartphone every 2-3 years, we don’t need huge engine cars, we don’t need to buy new clothes every couple of months or shoes etc. but we want them. I make stuff, I build stuff and yes, I have started to grow my own food, repair shoes and clothes. Set aside a part of my garden to go wild (I am lucky its rather large as where I live is still fairly rural for now) and I am fairly sure there is some sort of mammal living down there? Couple of trees and bushes and hedges and lots of wild flowers so bees and butterflies etc.
One thing I have been passionate about in my area is that I repair old PCs for my neighbours, lot of elderly people where I live, stick Linux on for them and they can work away on social media and do basic enough stuff rather than them shelling out for new Window laptop based PC. Its been difficult with the lockdown but I have remote access software on each so if they run into trouble I can help. If its more complex than that they leave the PC on their doorsteps and I pick it up, bring it back to the house and sort if I can. All they usually need to know is how to log which with modern Linux distros is no different to Windows, get online and get to whatever website they need, job done. A degree in computer science not required.
But people are more interested in potential conspiracies then real ones.
Here’s one now – do you really think Musk and Bezos will be affected by climate change? No. Do you think that continued, mass growth and consumerism is concerned about climate change? No.
Who will be affected? Poor, powerless people. But that’s too diaphanous and distant and somewhere in the future for people to grasp it would appear.
People wonder what they can to help but if 1 billion people made small changes today it might buy us time to figure this all out but all we hear is ”oh but China, oh but India, oh but, but, but’.
If 2 billion made small changes and so on.
I am not morally superior to anyone, just pragmatic about these things and I would like my kids to have a world that is not a furnace or an icebox or a mix of both when they grow up but I am sick to my back teeth hearing people complain about potential issues when real ones are here, now.
However, I do not vote for the Greens because at least half of them appear to be greenwashing, actual *virtue signallers* and the other half are too paralyzed to do anything about it.
So I am sorry if you have an issue with my comment, but not sorry for the comment itself, I stand by it and do so by doing what I can, even if it appears miniscule.
A single raindrop is nothing, a billion is quite a thing.
Junkface
I agree with much of what you say there @Ian-oG. People can make a difference with unified behavior, but one of the biggest polluters on the planet is the energy industry. Renewable energy is great if it can be applied where it is available or possible, but the fact is the most efficient energy source we have as an industry is nuclear power. Modern plants can be made extremely efficient and safe, but this fact gets mostly ignored by media. Nuclear power has gotten bad press over the years, but if you collected all of the data on it, you would see that it actually has quite a good safety record in total. Nuclear waste is smaller than most people think or know, and countries like France have managed it quite well for decades. If we are going to be smart about the future, we have to consider our most efficient options. There’s a documentary called ‘Pandora’s promise” on Netflix that explores this theme very well. Abandoning all coal powered plants on earth would be a great start though.
ian-oG
100% Junkface and yes, before anyone asks, I would be OK having a nuclear plant near me. Its the waste processing plants I’d be worried about but am aware of how safe it has become.
And we already have nuclear plants in the UK so not that far from us at all.
But sunlight is where its at really unless fusion is made viable. We just need the will to do it. While I took a pop at Musk and Bezos above, it seems these might actually be the guys to deliver on some of the stuff needed to harness it, but its all very much out of reach right now, so clean as possible nuclear energy is the way to go I feel. I said above I’d be OK living beside it but I would worry of course but hell I am already worried as is so what’s another worry to add to all the others!
“Confused anti-vaccine protesters stormed what they thought was a major BBC building on Monday, apparently unaware the corporation largely moved out almost a decade ago. Rather than target the BBC’s news operation, which they hold responsible for promoting Covid-19 vaccines, a handful of protesters gained access to Television Centre in west London, which is now predominantly rented by ITV to film its daytime shows such as Good Morning Britain and This Morning.”
GiggidyGoo
Even funnier is someone who doesn’t read past the first sentence of a report or try verify by reading other reports.
“The building protesters attempted to enter was that of BBC Studioworks, a commercial arm of the corporation which has retained and operated several studios at the site since 2017.”
Oh! The BBC still has a presence there then. Golly gosh. Sheeple ‘r Us ain’t so clever.
Bitnboxy
Go on out of that with your auld nonsense mad auld lad GiggidyGums. What is with the Gemmaesque Sheeple crap? That is the latest trite turn of phrase you are flogging. These baying idiots (although possessing more teeth than your gummy-self) genuinely thought this was BBC HQ and a target of substance.
Dara O’Briain’s tweet was the best: “Oh God feed this directly to my veins, this is hilarious. Anti-vaxxers “storm the BBC”, actually a building the BBC left, and sold, in 2013. It’s now a block of flats with a small studio that is home to Loose Women, Phil and Holly, and, occasionally, Mock”.
Save Phil and Holly.
Twit.
GiggidyGoo
Scan the code.
Rosette of Sirius
“4 ways to know if you use the word Sheeple too much”
Mind how you use that login ‘Seamus’
Your avatar has turned you in
Papi
The racist bigotry didn’t help either though.
ian-oG
Tea at 9PM?
Sounds risky, might have to get up for a wee in the middle of the night. I never had caffeine after 8 for that very reason.
Whiskey is what you need, squeeze the moisture out of you and lower core body temperate and you can play the whiskuits game – I like some American bourbon with, naturally a bourbon biscuit, a toffee pop with an Irish pot still and some Scottish shortbread with some Islay. Lovely stuff.
However, I am not really concerned about representations of non white people on TV, although that might be the whiskey leaving me a bit chilled out?
hic.
scottser
i do like whiskey but it really hates me; it gives me serious heartburn and a lippy attitude.
ian-oG
Yep, the heartburn is a thing for me too.
I don’t get lippy though, that would require me being fully conscious.
;)
GiggidyGoo
That photo of the woman in Greece. Any photoshop experts on here, because I think her image has been photoshopped onto it. The Telegraph is the clearer example – there’s a light coloured outline tracking her image. That wouldn’t happen if she was in the original photo.
?
alickdouglas
You can see the ‘original’ on Getty, search by photographer’s name (Konstantinos Tsakalidis) and sort by most recent. Not the actual original of course, but there isn’t any funny fringing that I can see on it. Also note that the woman is on a number of photographs in what looks like the same setting. There have been a few photoshoppy scandals in the last few yars, but the big agencies tightened up the rules and any serious photographers submit full unadjusted files to their editors desk, and don’t even crop themselves any more. Photoshop has improved in quality greatly in recent years, I’ve lost track of it really, but a press photog moving a subject in a news photo would be a quick way to end their career. A serious photographer usually won’t even examine their shots in Photoshop, so as not to risk ‘accidental’ adjustments; usually shots are direct out of camera, or managed at most via lightroom.
ian-oG
Where I work technical photos are very important and they must be exact. As such we have a place we use to authenticate images are not in any way edited, its very quick to do so so I would imagine that this is the real deal?
GiggidyGoo
Yes. The original doesn’t have the fringing.
Seamus Ó Dubhghaill
i like kittens
ian-oG
Pan or deep fried? I prefer to leave the fur on myself.
Nigel
‘Ferocious heat spreading out of North Africa into Southern Europe right now.
This is the highest temperature ever recorded in the capital of Tunisia. Average high temperature in August is usually around mid 30s Celsius.’
This is just the beginning of an atrocious heatwave.’ https://twitter.com/ScottDuncanWX/status/1425162019305558023
Now here’s a proper epidemic…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanganyika_laughter_epidemic
Beware…
and… one for the home team…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Fright
Beware…
Waiting for somebody to add Covid to this… go on usual suspects you know you want to…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases
That Greek photo reminds me of the infamous My Lai pic from Vietnam. I hope the message makes it through.
It won’t. People prefer conspiracy theories to real problems because real problems require real change and real efforts that neither the CEOs or the tinfoil hat brigrade see any value in addressing.
Depressing stuff. Better to just pretend its all at best “scaremongering” than give up those freedumbs hard won via posting incessant youtube videos.
To replace daily COVID case numbers, maybe the media could tell us how many cubic metres of polar ice cap have melted in the previous 24 hrs…
Unfortunately I don’t think there will be a scarcity of dramatic climate change stories going forward.
Can I ask what real efforts have you made to make real changes since you first became aware of this problem? Joined environmental awareness campaigns in your local area perhaps? Started growing your own food maybe? Adopted a much less consumerist life and encouraged those around you to do the same?
I’m assuming that you must have been making some real efforts as you clearly see yourself as a morally superior member of society in that regard
I drove my old Subaru until it was 20 years old – you can argue whether that is environmentally friendly. I used to cycle commute to work. My road bicycle is 20 years old . I have a 5kw solar system on my roof since 2011. That is the max allowed at the time. I will be getting a battery and increasing my solar capacity. I replaced all the windows in my house with double glazing. I compost…oh and I vote Green. The Aussie Greens are better than the Irish Greens.
Sounds commendable although my question was a response to Ian o-G’s comment
I helped engineer an experimental vaccine to sterilise or kill a significant proportion of the population leaving a new paradise for the illuminati and a few of their chosen slaves…
It’s odd that half of Europe is on fire, along with sizable parts of the US and Siberia, chunks of Germany washed away in floods and another heat wave over central Europe, but your concern is someone’s perceived attitude of moral superiority?
I haven’t taken a foreign holiday in over 18 months. No flying for me!
not a good look for a state employee ?;)
I don’t see myself as morally superior, I see myself as doing a few things we can all do. I had a bigger reply posted out but decided not to post it, suffice to say we don’t need a new smartphone every 2-3 years, we don’t need huge engine cars, we don’t need to buy new clothes every couple of months or shoes etc. but we want them. I make stuff, I build stuff and yes, I have started to grow my own food, repair shoes and clothes. Set aside a part of my garden to go wild (I am lucky its rather large as where I live is still fairly rural for now) and I am fairly sure there is some sort of mammal living down there? Couple of trees and bushes and hedges and lots of wild flowers so bees and butterflies etc.
One thing I have been passionate about in my area is that I repair old PCs for my neighbours, lot of elderly people where I live, stick Linux on for them and they can work away on social media and do basic enough stuff rather than them shelling out for new Window laptop based PC. Its been difficult with the lockdown but I have remote access software on each so if they run into trouble I can help. If its more complex than that they leave the PC on their doorsteps and I pick it up, bring it back to the house and sort if I can. All they usually need to know is how to log which with modern Linux distros is no different to Windows, get online and get to whatever website they need, job done. A degree in computer science not required.
But people are more interested in potential conspiracies then real ones.
Here’s one now – do you really think Musk and Bezos will be affected by climate change? No. Do you think that continued, mass growth and consumerism is concerned about climate change? No.
Who will be affected? Poor, powerless people. But that’s too diaphanous and distant and somewhere in the future for people to grasp it would appear.
People wonder what they can to help but if 1 billion people made small changes today it might buy us time to figure this all out but all we hear is ”oh but China, oh but India, oh but, but, but’.
If 2 billion made small changes and so on.
I am not morally superior to anyone, just pragmatic about these things and I would like my kids to have a world that is not a furnace or an icebox or a mix of both when they grow up but I am sick to my back teeth hearing people complain about potential issues when real ones are here, now.
However, I do not vote for the Greens because at least half of them appear to be greenwashing, actual *virtue signallers* and the other half are too paralyzed to do anything about it.
So I am sorry if you have an issue with my comment, but not sorry for the comment itself, I stand by it and do so by doing what I can, even if it appears miniscule.
A single raindrop is nothing, a billion is quite a thing.
I agree with much of what you say there @Ian-oG. People can make a difference with unified behavior, but one of the biggest polluters on the planet is the energy industry. Renewable energy is great if it can be applied where it is available or possible, but the fact is the most efficient energy source we have as an industry is nuclear power. Modern plants can be made extremely efficient and safe, but this fact gets mostly ignored by media. Nuclear power has gotten bad press over the years, but if you collected all of the data on it, you would see that it actually has quite a good safety record in total. Nuclear waste is smaller than most people think or know, and countries like France have managed it quite well for decades. If we are going to be smart about the future, we have to consider our most efficient options. There’s a documentary called ‘Pandora’s promise” on Netflix that explores this theme very well. Abandoning all coal powered plants on earth would be a great start though.
100% Junkface and yes, before anyone asks, I would be OK having a nuclear plant near me. Its the waste processing plants I’d be worried about but am aware of how safe it has become.
And we already have nuclear plants in the UK so not that far from us at all.
But sunlight is where its at really unless fusion is made viable. We just need the will to do it. While I took a pop at Musk and Bezos above, it seems these might actually be the guys to deliver on some of the stuff needed to harness it, but its all very much out of reach right now, so clean as possible nuclear energy is the way to go I feel. I said above I’d be OK living beside it but I would worry of course but hell I am already worried as is so what’s another worry to add to all the others!
It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/09/confused-anti-vaccine-protesters-storm-bbc-hq-years-after-moved-out
“Confused anti-vaccine protesters stormed what they thought was a major BBC building on Monday, apparently unaware the corporation largely moved out almost a decade ago. Rather than target the BBC’s news operation, which they hold responsible for promoting Covid-19 vaccines, a handful of protesters gained access to Television Centre in west London, which is now predominantly rented by ITV to film its daytime shows such as Good Morning Britain and This Morning.”
Even funnier is someone who doesn’t read past the first sentence of a report or try verify by reading other reports.
“The building protesters attempted to enter was that of BBC Studioworks, a commercial arm of the corporation which has retained and operated several studios at the site since 2017.”
Oh! The BBC still has a presence there then. Golly gosh. Sheeple ‘r Us ain’t so clever.
Go on out of that with your auld nonsense mad auld lad GiggidyGums. What is with the Gemmaesque Sheeple crap? That is the latest trite turn of phrase you are flogging. These baying idiots (although possessing more teeth than your gummy-self) genuinely thought this was BBC HQ and a target of substance.
Dara O’Briain’s tweet was the best: “Oh God feed this directly to my veins, this is hilarious. Anti-vaxxers “storm the BBC”, actually a building the BBC left, and sold, in 2013. It’s now a block of flats with a small studio that is home to Loose Women, Phil and Holly, and, occasionally, Mock”.
Save Phil and Holly.
Twit.
Scan the code.
“4 ways to know if you use the word Sheeple too much”
https://www.satiricalfacts.com/4-ways-sheeple/
And ‘Ratlicker’?
You use it more than I, so have at it.
i like kittens
I’d say the evenings fly by.
Isn’t it terribly ironic then that Seamus’ surname means “dark foreigner”.
Who makes the tea and biscuits now?
Sick…….burn?
Mind how you use that login ‘Seamus’
Your avatar has turned you in
The racist bigotry didn’t help either though.
Tea at 9PM?
Sounds risky, might have to get up for a wee in the middle of the night. I never had caffeine after 8 for that very reason.
Whiskey is what you need, squeeze the moisture out of you and lower core body temperate and you can play the whiskuits game – I like some American bourbon with, naturally a bourbon biscuit, a toffee pop with an Irish pot still and some Scottish shortbread with some Islay. Lovely stuff.
However, I am not really concerned about representations of non white people on TV, although that might be the whiskey leaving me a bit chilled out?
hic.
i do like whiskey but it really hates me; it gives me serious heartburn and a lippy attitude.
Yep, the heartburn is a thing for me too.
I don’t get lippy though, that would require me being fully conscious.
;)
That photo of the woman in Greece. Any photoshop experts on here, because I think her image has been photoshopped onto it. The Telegraph is the clearer example – there’s a light coloured outline tracking her image. That wouldn’t happen if she was in the original photo.
?
You can see the ‘original’ on Getty, search by photographer’s name (Konstantinos Tsakalidis) and sort by most recent. Not the actual original of course, but there isn’t any funny fringing that I can see on it. Also note that the woman is on a number of photographs in what looks like the same setting. There have been a few photoshoppy scandals in the last few yars, but the big agencies tightened up the rules and any serious photographers submit full unadjusted files to their editors desk, and don’t even crop themselves any more. Photoshop has improved in quality greatly in recent years, I’ve lost track of it really, but a press photog moving a subject in a news photo would be a quick way to end their career. A serious photographer usually won’t even examine their shots in Photoshop, so as not to risk ‘accidental’ adjustments; usually shots are direct out of camera, or managed at most via lightroom.
Where I work technical photos are very important and they must be exact. As such we have a place we use to authenticate images are not in any way edited, its very quick to do so so I would imagine that this is the real deal?
Yes. The original doesn’t have the fringing.
i like kittens
Pan or deep fried? I prefer to leave the fur on myself.
‘Ferocious heat spreading out of North Africa into Southern Europe right now.
This is the highest temperature ever recorded in the capital of Tunisia. Average high temperature in August is usually around mid 30s Celsius.’
This is just the beginning of an atrocious heatwave.’
https://twitter.com/ScottDuncanWX/status/1425162019305558023
i like kittens
Does this dude remind ye of anyone?
(◔‿◔)
https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/88nbk4/expert-mathematician-on-election-fraud-actually-a-swing-set-installer-lawsuit-claims?__twitter_impression=true
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Resigns
https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2021/08/10/sex-scandal-new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-resigns/
Algeria is burning
https://twitter.com/Kineay1/status/1424830485839089672