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      2. bisted

        …saw this on twitter earlier:

        You can deny vaccines work
        You can deny masks work
        You can deny Trump lost
        You can deny climate change
        You can GFY

          2. GiggidyGoo

            Fortunately for me, I’m well able to think for myself. You, on the other hand prefer to post about posters in the main. Think about that (if you can).

          3. Oro

            Haha – it isn’t me spending half my time accusing people of being other people with no rhyme or reason. Mess!

          6. bisted

            …just while you’re here Giggser…how can you be a vaccinated anti-vaxxer…have to hand it to you, that’s not just thinking,..that’s double-thinking…

          7. GiggidyGoo

            Ah, a different line of attack.
            I took the vaccine. How does that make me anti-vax?
            You haven’t really thought out your attack strategy now, have you?

        2. Micko

          “ You can deny vaccines work
          You can deny masks work
          You can deny Trump lost
          You can deny climate change”

          But the whole Covid thing is definitely, definitely NOT political – right?

          *facepalm*

          Well done lads, you’ve all successfully been radicalised by the extremist political ideology of an entirely different nation.

          2. Micko

            Whatever man. You chose to share it here to make a point.

            Lie to yourselves if you want.

            Left, right wing, extreme right, far left – what are ye on about? The lot of ya

            We’re obsessed with the US and their politics.

            Don’t get be wrong I see the allure – it’s great entertainment. But we need to think about what we’re actually doing.

            I don’t think I’ve ever met a “far right” person in Ireland – ever.

            But we talk like they’re an everyday occurrence here.

          4. bisted

            …what…you’ve never met a far-right in Ireland…you’ve never been to one of the ratlicker rallies…tut tut…no wonder you’ve never gained ratlicker status…

          7. Micko

            What’s wrong with questions?

            I think you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, which is why you don’t like questions.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          You’re calling those scientists a right wing think tank?
          Oh, I get it – you didn’t even open the link, and rushed in with a ‘thought’, based only on who supplied the link. Clap clap.

          1. jungleman

            The article you linked is by the head of a right-wing pro-fracking think-tank. I don’t have to read articles by such individuals to know what the slant is going to be and certainly not to inform myself.

          2. GiggidyGoo

            So, you’re saying that you won’t read something, because of whoever writes it. Such unmitigated cleverness.

      4. Nigel

        Give it a few more years:
        ‘Last month’s total #Arctic sea ice volume averaged the 6th lowest on record for the month of July.’
        https://twitter.com/ZLabe/status/1425183887915945985

        ‘Arctic sea ice area has decreased 40% in September from the 1980s. Late summer sea ice area is smaller than at any time in at least the last 1000 years.’
        https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Arctic%20ice

        Also what a thoroughly asinine article. No interest in the actual subject, just in finding somebody to sneer at . No wonder you liked it.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          The point I was making wasn’t about whether the ice caps were melting etc.
          It was about the scare mongering that has become part and parcel of most aspects of our lives.
          Those predictions about no ice being at the Arctic by 2015 were off the radar. They were made by scientists, who are looking not so clever.
          I for one, am not denying there’s climate change happening. Things like the massive fires aren’t new though. They’ve been recorded for decades.
          What we have now is the distribution of the information is far, far better. (Social media)

          1. Nigel

            If you thought about it properly, you’d realise that climate change is making things more unstable and chaotic, less easy to predict, and its only going to get worse, which is deeply scary in a fundamental way. Also, if you needed an article that outright lies to you in its first paragraph to make the point, you probably shouldn’t have bothered. I’ll take good faith predictions that turn out to be wrong over slick plausible liars any day.

          4. GiggidyGoo

            Peter Wadhams (who is quoted in the article), back in 2012 said that it ‘would occur in 2015-16 at which time the summer Arctic (August to September) would become ice-free’
            It didn’t.

          5. Nigel

            I’m curious on what grounds you call that a lie, as compared to the outright lie in the first paragraph of the Forbes article you linked to. Most scientists know better than to make predictions that specific since there are just too many variables and gaps in our knowledge about the relevant systems, whereas bad science reporting is constantly pushing for specificity on dramatic outcomes.

          6. GiggidyGoo

            You asked for an example. I gave one.
            Was it true? If his statement wasn’t true, then it was a…. what? A scaremongering lie?

          7. Nigel

            Being wrong is the same as lying now? Really?

            Tell me now, what course do you see this discussion taking? Are we going to agree that specific prediction was wrong, that Forbes article was malicious, that Arctic sea is is shrinking year on year and if the trend continues sooner or later the Arctic is going to be ice-free during the summer, sea levels are going to rise, the North Atlantic Current could switch off, countries will start exploiting oil and gas reserves that were under the ice, pumping out more carbon, the now-vanished ice will no longer reflect back sunlight, increasing sunlight absorption, speeding up further ice melt and reducing the planet’s albedo?

            Or are we going to have an endless, repetitive slog about whether being wrong is the same as lying? Because if it’s the latter, I’d rather not bother.

          8. Nigel

            Here are some better things to read than that idiotic Forbes article:

            What will an ice-free Arctic look like?
            https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20191129-what-will-an-ice-free-arctic-look-like

            If you feel there’s been too much scaremongering:

            Climate change: Worst emissions scenario ‘exceedingly unlikely’
            https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51281986

            Inevitable Planetary Doom Has Been Exaggerated
            https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/02/other-side-catastrophe/617865/

          9. GiggidyGoo

            Up to you Nigel. You were quite quick with the smart comments, and with the ‘Can you point out the lies by any of the eminent scientists quoted in that article, please?’
            I did so.

            My argument is about the scaremongering that occurs, with over-the-top ‘facts’ being bandied about, such as the ‘fact’ about the Arctic.

            No one is denying there’s climate change occurring. It will never stop changing. Germany brought on a new coal-powered power station in 2020 – yet here in Ireland, we are closing peat powered power stations, and we are still getting hit with green taxes left right and centre.

            Industry will decide how much the climate will change.

          10. Nigel

            ‘‘Can you point out the lies by any of the eminent scientists quoted in that article, please?’
            I did so.’

            Ah. So it’s ‘being wrong is the same as lying’ then. Carry on.

            (Lots of people are denying that climate change is occurring, by the way, though they’re changing now to ‘climate changes all the time’ and ‘we can’t do anything about it.’ Industry will decide how much climate will change if we let it, unless you’ve completely given up on democratic politics as a means of change. After all, if we can get peat-fired power stations closed down, the Germans should be able to get coal-fired power stations closed down.)

          11. Nigel

            Heh. I just realised how funny it is that you’re so valiantly making a point about scaremongering, and then go on to say that climate change is inevitable because industry can’t be stopped or regulated or diverted from current practices. My pessimism about climate change stems from the fact that people will delay, block and oppose beneficial changes, meaning that outcomes will turn out to be far worse than they need to be, and the poor and vulnerable will pay the price, not that such changes are impossible or not woth pursuing.

          12. Charlie

            You’re wasting your time on ol’ flatearther Giggsy. Infact, I’m disappointed with you Nigel.

          14. Nigel

            Charlie – it’s like picking a scab.

            Giggs – say it out loud so everyone can hear. Say ”being wrong is the same as lying.’

          15. GiggidyGoo

            You’re not dressing it up very well Nigel.

            As for Charlie. Flat earther? Proper Charlie! Scan the code.

      6. Nigel

        From the Forbes article:
        ‘Arctic sea ice experienced record 60-percent growth in August 2013 compared to August 2012’

        From the NSDIC, August 2013:
        ‘Arctic sea ice extent maintained a steady, near-average pace of retreat through the first half of August, making it highly unlikely that a new record low minimum will be reached this year. Nevertheless, there are extensive areas of low concentration ice, even in regions close to the North Pole, atmospheric pressure and temperature patterns this summer have differed markedly from those experienced in 2012; cooler than average conditions have prevailed over much of the Arctic Ocean.’
        http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2013/08/

        I’ll take some scientists getting good-faith predictions based on observations of actual trending phenomena wrong over outright lying any day.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          These ‘good faith’ predictions are based on what exactly? The scientists need to eat? What Peter Wadhams wrote was a downright lie and had no scientific basis. You asked me for an example which I duly provided, and now you’re trying to change the goalposts

          Just to repeat. Peter Wadhams said back in 2012 said that it ‘would occur in 2015-16 at which time the summer Arctic (August to September) would become ice-free’

          He didn’t say ‘I predict’. He stated it as a fact. He lied.

          1. Nigel

            The scientific basis was laid out pretty clearly, the specific prediction was wrong, but because you got caught out posting an article with a blatant lie in it, you have to double and triple down on calling someone getting something wrong a lie.

            (Are you seriously telling me that someone who says in 2012 that something will happen in 2015-16 isn’t making a prediction? I admire your commitment to hanging on to the most useless aspect of any disagreement with a death-grip by saying idiotic things it would never occur to anyone else to say.)

          2. GiggidyGoo

            Tough Nigel. He said it would happen.
            You tried the smart botty approach asking for an example of the ’eminent’ scientists. I gave you exactly that. You can’t take it. Wet paper bag arguments from you thereafter, full of your attempts to move goalposts.
            The result of this conversation is the fact for anyone to see that you can’t accept being wrong, and will try to use the stupidest of goalpost shifting to try make it look like you are somehow correct. That’s your claim to fame. You try it with all and sundry. It doesn’t work.

          3. Nigel

            The question is if I’m wrong does that by definition make me a liar? If you’re wrong does that make you a liar? If I make a prediction and it doesn’t happen, am I a liar? If you make a prediction and it doesn’t happen are you a liar? This, apparently, is a tough question! Who knew? I’m willing to let the exchange stand as it is and let readers who made it this far make up their own minds. Here’s some more light reading on the substantive issue:
            https://www.carbonbrief.org/in-depth-qa-the-ipccs-sixth-assessment-report-on-climate-science

          5. Nigel

            Should have listened to my own prediction about this turning into an endless, repetitive slog about whether being wrong is the same as lying. The science was on my side.

          6. GiggidyGoo

            Work away Nigel. I see you are trying the babyish approach on the Gen Jab thread.
            At this stage i’d say you’re not even taking yourself seriously.

  2. ce

    Pic of the guy with the mini-rocket launcher on the from of the I – above the headline “Working from home unlikely to become a new legal right”… interesting juxtaposition…

    In all seriousness – 20 years of mayhem in Afghanistan, with 20-30 years of mayhem before that, and who know what’s next, utterly awful

    1. Man On Fire

      The UK cops have form wrt giving or renewing gun licences to lunatics..

      See Thomas Hamilton (Dunblane 1996), and Michael Ryan (Hungerford 1987).

    1. Spot of Bodge

      Literally unreadable, do you obtain your climate-change information from a similarly dim source?

      1. jungleman

        He gets it from right wing think-tanks. But in fairness I don’t think he understands that there are vested interests in the press. He also doesn’t seem to understand that, as a paid-up Shinner, he is supposed to be on the left of politics, and due to his naivety he regularly takes an alt-right position on things. They need to get him into HQ for some re-orientation.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Such an enlightening post. Such outspoken words on the subject. Such self-gratification. Tarzan has spoken.

      2. GiggidyGoo

        It must be difficult to keep up with all of your user names eh?
        Not my problem if it’s unreadable for you.

        1. Bitnboxy

          Usual mad auld lad toothless GiggidyGums’ nonsense and rank hypocrisy. Everyone except mad auld Giggz has multiple user names on BS? As if! Lol. You are one of the worst offenders mad auld lad Giggz.

          One is tired of your usual mad auld gummy-lad tropes.

          Sheesh!

  5. Get down Shep

    Saturday’s Papers exist for one reason.
    – to sell the next day’s Papers.

    The same thing happens during the weekdays but at least those ‘journalists’ have an excuse.
    They don’t have up to 5 days to write their pieces.

    We don’t need no more carreerists.

  6. Shayna

    Come on Mayo today against The Dubs! (Strangely, I have the image of Aodhan O’Shea running along the beach with his mobile phone…)

    1. Cú Chulainn

      But Shayna, if Mayo were to lose, again, Aidan would have more time to be running about the beach for your pleasure… and he’d need consoling.. maybe a win for the Dubs might be a good thing..!!

  8. Shayna

    A win for The Dubs is rarely a good thing. Jeez, 7 in a row? It’s unclear if Tyrone will field a team against Kerry. I’d be confident that Big Aodhan will have many shoulders/breasts to be consoled by, following a defeat.

  11. ce

    Should definitely be investigated – however… it’s not the silver bullet for everybody, it has serious side effect, shouldn’t be used by pregnant women …etc…etc… side effects include coma and liver damage… nice….

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