Everyone will be relieved to hear that the study about myocarditis in men who received the vaccine has been withdrawn because they detected a miscalculation that means the results were off by x 25.
Everyone will be relieved to hear that the study about myocarditis in men who received the vaccine has been withdrawn because they detected a miscalculation that means the results were off by 25 orders of magnitude.
That a pre print study has been withdrawn does means there was an issue with the study, nothing more. That there is so many reports of heart damage emerging is a pretty good indication that there is an issue- time will tell.
Nigel
Yes, and the issue was that they miscalculated, and their results were out by a factor of 25.
Oh, my first comment came back above… sorry for double posting.
Jim Smith sitting on both the board of Pfizer and Reuters isn’t a conflict of interest according Nigel..
Snigger
Nigel
Whether it is or it isn’t, it doesn’t really change the fact that the study had a miscalculation that divides their results by 25.
Man On Fire
Wow Pfizer fact checks itself and finds all is good, who would have thought..
Nigel
That’s what the study found, like it or not.
Cui Bono?
Keep your eyes closed Nigel or else you might see the massive conflict of interest.
Nigel
You can see it or not see it, doesn’t change the facts.
Chris
The fact you trust Pfizer who had the biggest healthcare fraud settlement ever? For bribing doctors and falsifying results? Yeah we know where your flag is planted, on the wrong side as usual.
An experiential concoction with a recognised list of serious side effects, and a level of efficacy which is now proven to rapidly decrease. To be given to a group where the risk of injury or death is already higher than that of Covid-19, before the long term injuries are even known.
It is criminally reckless.
Cian
Might be something to do with the 700 000 covid deaths in the US.
But, sure, it’s just the flu, eh?
Man On Fire
700,000 with Covid deaths.
Fixed it for you.
chris
A virus that barely affects children, but the jab happy don’t care. Part innate, part socially engineered – selfishness.
Extrication from the system would be the best for the conscionable. But how possible will that be? All are dependents in some form or other – housing, food, healthcare, education etc
SOQ
What is very sad about the US situation is that you can nearly predict the approach taken in each state by its colour- Blue being the biggest advocates of masks/lockdowns/vaccines while Red being the opposite.
The whole thing has become so political that one has to wonder if there is any room left for science at all.
Poor oul divil
Wrong again
Blacks are the largest unvaccinated group
Oro
Next you’ll be telling us that this proves that republicans are more left wing lol. “And of course…..”
SOQ
Actually no, Asians are the most unvaccinated group with black’s being second.
But that doesn’t alter the fact California and New York are Democrat while Florida and Texas are Republican.
Oro
Asian American people have the highest rate of vaccinations in the US by racial or ethnic classification. Honestly do you live in some kind of upside down world?
SOQ
Not for CoVid-19- it is 10% for young Asians and 20% for young blacks.
Oro
I’m sorry that’s not what you said initially. You said Asian American people had lower vaccination rates than those of black people in the US and that’s false. You can’t just pretend you meant something else afterwards to make it look like you weren’t just making stuff up, oh and btw I also don’t trust your other factoid:
@Cian- in what way would injecting children with a substance which does not prevent infections change that situation? There is no communitarian argument- not with the current data coming out of Israel and Singapore. If there is anything to be inferred it is that vaccinated may actually be more infectious than non.
Papi
Why do you think you’re the covid person to listen to?
Why?
Chris
He’s putting forward his voice – not claiming to be the messiah. And as for voice, he has a good one, reasoned, explanatory & level headed.
Papi
He’s been consistently called out on false, misleading and outright made up facts, from any source that backs up his paranoid outlook. At this point, he’s only proving his detractors right. Every single thread has Queenie on covid.
SOQ
Consistently called out on what?
And by whom? You? All you do is hurl insults like some drunk aunt in the corner of a wedding.
Cui Bono?
Is that 700,000 over 2 seasons which also includes a high % of death from their comorbidities and not covid?
Not the flu, but close to it in terms of death rate.
John
I found it very amusing to do a quick search on BS of your posts.
You must have very little to do in life with the extraordinary number of posts you write
It is really extraordinary the amount of wrong and incorrect lies and misinformation you post.
Would you not try getting an elementary education rather than wasting time posting incorrect garbage and stop exposing yourself as an eejit on BS?
Tom J
Sometimes they have the weekend off.
SOQ
And there is the usual ad hominin attacks from ‘John’- of course it would be impossible to search for your posts as you keep setting up new emails and new usernames.
If you don’t like the direction this site is going then I suggest you do one rather than hourly attacks on it.
Papi
Says the new charger…. Jibber
Jabber
SOQ
Charger was a troll- try again.
That someone objects to children being injected with experimental concoctions where there is no long term safety data is not trolling.
Papi
Oh, be under no illusions, Queenie, you are a troll. I wish you well, but you’re somebody I wouldn’t allow meet my family or friends. You and your cadre.
We can all pick emotive personal stories to back up our position but Covid-19 is of little or no risk to children- the risk of even known injuries is far greater.
And that only what is known. If there is any serious long term side effects to emerge then these are exactly the demographic they will emerge in.
bisted
…oh, forget your Ivormectin
Hocuspocusquinines out
They have a new remedy
So long as you wash it down…with 14 pints of stout…*
*sign me up bodger
Chris
Check out Uttar Pradesh, wiped out Covid with Ivermectin but of course, silly bumbums will have no truck with facts.
Fearganainm
Sounds like you’re a fan of Pierre Kory. If so then there’s little wonder that you’re struggling to make sense of half facts, omissions, not knowing whether IVM was administered in Uttar Pradesh along with other treatments (therefore meaning that IVM cannot be singled out as ‘the’ most effective component of treatment), and not factoring in lockdowns at all…
I’m fascinated with the logistics of this amazing achevement, but nobody seems to know the details.
Chris
The details are quite clear, people were delivered a pack that included Ivermectin & then Covid disappeared – but keep trusting the psychopaths Nigel. Given you’ve fallen for the woke/climate/covid trifecta I suspect you might be a sub-clinical one yourself.
Nigel
So everyone in Uttar Pradesh was provided with a quantity of Ivermectin? How many people? How much Ivermectin? Is there a clinical study of the process and the outcomes? Studies, I should say, because that’s a lot of people.
Fearganainm
‘That included Ivermectin’. Indeed. What else? How can you be sure it wasn’t any of the other items that helped? It seems you are indeed a Kory fan. Kory and a few others, often in receipt of enormous grants to hunt for alternative drug treatments that ‘might’ be used instead of vaccines, are – and I’ll try be gentle with you about this – agents of Big Pharma. It’s just that they’re Continuity Big Pharma as opposed to Official Big Pharma. They have a stake in what gets pushed in exactly the same way that you accuse Pfizer and other vaccine manufacturers of being invested in pushing a particular product. Kory and others have been beavering away for a long time to try to win primacy for assorted drugs over vaccines.
You’re acting as a spokesperson for Big Pharma and you haven’t even done any research.
Chris
The patent for Ivermectin has long since passed. It isn’t in the interests of big pharma because the money isn’t there, unlike the clotshots. There’s a ton of peer review studies for the effectiveness of Ivermectin at this point. You bet on the wrong horse & you want everyone else to do the same. No chance.
Fearganainm
Chris outs himself as a shameless Kory groupie. Take a look at how examination of claims made about Ivermectin results in such claims vanishing like snow off a ditch when subjected to scientific scrutiny:
You’ll note how your hero Kory made claims about treatments ‘that included Ivermectin’ – just like you did. A junior cert student could tell you that it would be beyond dumb to claim that one out of three or more possible ingredients ‘must be responsible for a good outcome’. You do understand that, don’t you? You do understand that ignoring the other two ingredients and not even considering them as potential contributors to a positive outcome is unscientific? Only someone dumb – or someone trying to promote Ivermectin – would draw ‘conclusions’ based on those kinds of misreadings/manipulations of evidence.
Lilly
Presumably all sceptics have a stash, certainly the ones I know do. Joe McCarron, the man sprung from Letterkenny hospital who subsequently died, was unvaccinated etc. Why didn’t Ivermectin save him?
Chris
It has to be taken either as a prophylactic, or in the early onset of symptoms to achieve optimal results. I’m more than a skeptic and I have no stash.
Poor oul divil
Hey bet on the wrong horse you say?
Oh big big lol
Nigel
Still remarkably short on details of how Ivermectin was used to make covid disappear from an entire Indian state.
Fearganainm
Poor Chris hasn’t got a stash so can’t even deworm the horse he bet on.
Chris
Yes believe it or not even in these stark times I’m not above humour. @ Nigel – yet after the dispersion of Ivermectin, no cases. Other things distributed were VIT C & zinc which we know alone don’t combat Covid.
Lilly
Why haven’t you stocked up on Ivermectin, Chris? What’s your plan if you catch Covid?
Nigel
You keep saying it was done without saying how, or how much, or how it was studied and with what oversight.
No, you provided a shoddy website and I provided a reliable source that pointed out the flaws in methodology in the studies listed on that website that you were claiming to be credible.
Time and time again you expose yourself as being incapable of understanding how to interpret results, how to question methodology and how to differentiate between bogus claims and spin and rigorously examined scientific findings.
There are ongoing trials using Ivermectin but thus far no credible findings that point to its utility as a treatment for Covid-19.
If that’s tl;dr for you – yer website is a load of hooey
Reasons given above, which you’re apparently incapable of understanding.
Chris
@ Feargwhatever I don’t know what Kory you speak of. But I do know you are a silly from your posts. Give it up, you look pathetic. 280 million people Covid free vs nonsense clotshots (possible aggressive HIV amongst other ingredients, cadmium, nickel etc) & they don’t even work against Covid! shtaaap…. You were sold a pup -don’t blame the messenger.
Fearganainm
You have repeated every one of Kory’s talking points. If you don’t know the origin of the discredited information that you keep spouting then your research skills are dire. You’ve cherry picked some tripe you’ve spotted online, all of it obviously emanating from Kory, and like so many of your ilk you haven’t bothered to check out its veracity or accuracy or whether it has been rebutted.
If, as you claim, you haven’t any knowledge of Kory then cite some sources for your claims. I’d imagine that you can find very few that haven’t been contaminated by Kory’s ‘promotion campaign’.
Amuse us. Show us evidence of the ‘tons of peer reviewed studies’ that conclude that Ivermectin is a successful treatment of Covid-19. Names of authors, journals where the studies appeared etc. Links would be good. And take care to ensure that any studies you cite haven’t been debunked/shot down in flames.
I’m not betting on you being able to do so, however. And you know why.
f_lawless
Here’s a useful database of Ivermectin studies carried out to date(both the good and the bad). You can find many peer reviewed studies in there showing positive outcomes.
I’d advise you to take the time to read them and maybe in future adopt a less aggressive and arrogant tone It doesn’t do you any favours.
“…Different websites…have conducted meta-analyses with ivermectin studies, showing unpublished colourful forest plots which rapidly gained public acknowledgement and were disseminated via social media, without following any methodological or report guidelines. These websites do not include protocol registration with methods, search strategies, inclusion criteria, quality assessment of the included studies nor the certainty of the evidence of the pooled estimates. Prospective registration of systematic reviews with or without meta-analysis protocols is a key feature for providing transparency in the review process and ensuring protection against reporting biases, by revealing differences between the methods or outcomes reported in the published review and those planned in the registered protocol. These websites show pooled estimates suggesting significant benefits with ivermectin, which has resulted in confusion for clinicians, patients and even decision-makers. This is usually a problem when performing meta-analyses which are not based in rigorous systematic reviews, often leading to spread spurious or fallacious findings…”
Do your research – properly.
Poor oul divil
What an absolute clown
f_lawless
It’s quite clear that you’re not able to – or won’t – engage in honest debate. It seems you’re out of your depth just trying sling mud in the hope some of it might stick The information on the page I linked to had no “meta-analyses with ivermectin studies” done by the website itself. It provided links to a range of external websites, many of those to peer-review journals – eg. American Journal of Therapeutics, Journal of Virology & Antiviral Research, Journal of the Indian Medical Association, etc.
Furthermore, the opinion piece you linked to lauds the RECOVERY trials, claiming they “have had a critical role establishing the most useful pharmacological interventions in COVID-19 critical care”. That’s a clear indication that the authors are not on the level.
In 2020 the RECOVERY initiative (sponsored by the Wellcome Trust and the Gates Foundation) was mired in scandal when it was exposed for conducting set-up-to-fail trials of hydroxychloroquine. Toxic doses of the drug were being administered to late-stage patients.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/hcq-behe
“(Like the SOLIDARITY trials ran by the WHO) It also used 2400 mg of hydroxychloroquine in the first 24 hours for treatment of already very ill, hospitalized Covid-19 patients, a potentially lethal dose.
(Trial directors) Horby and Landry presented a number of arguments to reassure that the dosages were not toxic, not all of which stood up to further investigation. For example, they suggest that as no extra deaths had occurred in the first couple of days when the dosage was highest this was evidence that the dose was not fatal (see line 284). They ignored the crucial fact that hydroxychloroquine has a particularly long half-life, and cumulative dosing was the more relevant measure.
(French media outlet) FranceSoir concluded from their extremely detailed investigation of RECOVERY that many patients died of toxic overdoses of hydroxychloroquine rather than covid 19.”
bisted
…why don’t you answer my simple question that I’ve been asking you for over 18months now…what motivates you?
Fearganainm
Decisions, decisions. A dodgy site with examples containing flawed, misleading methodology, or a paper appearing in a BMJ publication examining evidence-based medicine.
What is clear is that you’re yet another cherry picker using materials that you don’t actually understand or know how to interpret. You also seem indifferent to the quality of the sites that you’re using and the possibility that the information you think that they’re offering you is flawed, misleading or incorrect.
f_lawless
The sequence of interactions thus far:
1. You ask (in a rude manner) for links to peer-review journals with studies showing effectiveness for Ivermectin
2. I provide a page that has direct links to the websites of various of those peer-review journals where the studies have been published (American Journal of Therapeutics, Journal of Virology & Antiviral Research, Journal of the Indian Medical Association, etc, etc)
2. You show an inability to engage with or even acknowledge that information and instead try to attack the messenger(s) who provided the links to the journals (ie. both the website and myself)
This is not the behaviour of someone who has come here for honest engagement. It’s the behaviour of a troll, as plain as day.
Nigel
What strikes me most about this Ivermectin thing is that it’s such a massive, useless, stupid waste of time, money and energy, all because someone got it in their head to claim it was an effective treatment.
I genuinely don’t know what people who claim to hate big pharma think they’re going to acheive by resisting public health measures. What do they think will be left when public health care has been destroyed?
“The Indian Bar Association (IBA) sued WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan on May 25, accusing her in a 71-point brief of causing the deaths of Indian citizens by misleading them about Ivermectin. “
Nigel
Yes, hmmm, put me to death for pointing out that your article was just advertising bumpf to get US Trumpers to fork over to online quacks for Ivermectin prescriptions.
@ Lily, to be honest, I’m not too worried about it, I’m 42 (I have partied) but I’m in relativly good health. If it was easy to source I’d definitely have some at hand – but I’m more worried about the political situation we find ourselves in & my mothers failing health (post jabs).
Lilly
Sorry to hear that, Chris. Thankfully it hasn’t knocked a feather out of my own mother. She had her booster jab on Friday along with a flu jab.
AFAIK, it’s easy enough to get hold of Ivermectin online. If you genuinely believe in its efficacy, I’d get some post haste. Covid is unpredictable.
Chris
Thanks Lilly! I’m glad it hasn’t affected your mothers health & long may it continue. It really seems to be a pot shot, both my parents attended at the same time & only my mother is suffering ongoing adverse reactions. But I will say there are now at 2.5 million adverse vaccine reactions logged with the EU, I think it’s madness that they’re still on the market.
ce
Cool, now enabling the trade of Ivermectin…keep it classy… and try not to poison yourself or your loved ones…
Free Lunch
God, but that Bob Geldof birthday bash on the Late Late Show was squirmingly embarrassing. Scarleh for Bob.
Lilly
I watched for ten minutes until Niall Stokes came on – state of him, Bobo the clown. What could Geldof do but grin and bear it. I’d say he feels like divorcing his wife today for walking him into that.
Poor oul divil
I thought he was exposed as being an actual glove puppet years ago , you could not make a fella like Stokes up
Lilly
It’s always just a little gratifying though when people end up looking as ridiculous as you’ve always believed them to be. I could never read his HP editorials as a kid without my eyes rolling dangerously towards the back of my head. Bertie Ahern is another one whose florid features seem to mirror his venality.
Poor oul divil
Yea fair enough – lol
Rosette of Sirius
The funniest bit was when David Cameron was front and center. You could see an actual piece of him die inside at that whatever about Tony Blair and Gordon Brown making an appearance.
Lilly
You have better staying power than me, Rosette. I didn’t make it that far. But I recorded it in case I missed any good bits. I saw reports on Twitter that there was a bit of froideur between Robbo and the birthday boy. Doubt it’s worth fast forwarding to though.
Poor oul divil
I’d say further time spent on that Freddie Mercury Ghost Cat story in today’s papers would be a better use of your valuable time to be honest Lilly
Free Lunch
That clearly is NOT the remains of a Grand Power pistol.
“…there she goes, my beautiful World…”
“Clown Shortage” ??
Never on Broadsheet!
Ammirite?!?!
Josepha MadiganJoan Collins looks well.Goodnight
https://youtu.be/4qBWvA6H7Zg
RIP
Beautiful and a great album
https://www.joe.ie/news/rte-news-called-apologise-false-information-concentration-camp-732443
False information? RTE? Surely not?
Everyone will be relieved to hear that the study about myocarditis in men who received the vaccine has been withdrawn because they detected a miscalculation that means the results were off by x 25.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-preprint-myocarditiswithdrawn-idUSL1N2QX1WS
Everyone will be relieved to hear that the study about myocarditis in men who received the vaccine has been withdrawn because they detected a miscalculation that means the results were off by 25 orders of magnitude.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-preprint-myocarditiswithdrawn-idUSL1N2QX1WS
https://investors.pfizer.com/corporate-governance/meet-the-pfizer-board-of-directors/Person-Details/default.aspx?ItemId=5d4bd47f-053d-4a66-86e3-5991ec25bcea
Typical Nigel fail..
No, the calculations in that study were a fail.
That a pre print study has been withdrawn does means there was an issue with the study, nothing more. That there is so many reports of heart damage emerging is a pretty good indication that there is an issue- time will tell.
Yes, and the issue was that they miscalculated, and their results were out by a factor of 25.
Oh, my first comment came back above… sorry for double posting.
“miscalculated..”
Its called gaslighting…
No. It’s not.
I’m afraid it is..
https://investors.pfizer.com/corporate-governance/meet-the-pfizer-board-of-directors/Person-Details/default.aspx?ItemId=5d4bd47f-053d-4a66-86e3-5991ec25bcea
I’m afraid it isn’t.
Jim Smith sitting on both the board of Pfizer and Reuters isn’t a conflict of interest according Nigel..
Snigger
Whether it is or it isn’t, it doesn’t really change the fact that the study had a miscalculation that divides their results by 25.
Wow Pfizer fact checks itself and finds all is good, who would have thought..
That’s what the study found, like it or not.
Keep your eyes closed Nigel or else you might see the massive conflict of interest.
You can see it or not see it, doesn’t change the facts.
The fact you trust Pfizer who had the biggest healthcare fraud settlement ever? For bribing doctors and falsifying results? Yeah we know where your flag is planted, on the wrong side as usual.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
The fact you trust Pfizer who had the biggest healthcare fraud settlement ever? For bribing doctors and falsifying results? https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
That’s got nothing t do with the fact that the study had a massive miscalculation.
A little about the AG’s other conflict of interests… this weekend it’s property –
https://www.ontheditch.com/inside-the-landlord-attorney-generals-property-portfolio/
And if you want a glimpse into the future then here it is.
California to make vaccines mandatory for schoolchildren.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/1001/1250261-california-schools-vaccine/
An experiential concoction with a recognised list of serious side effects, and a level of efficacy which is now proven to rapidly decrease. To be given to a group where the risk of injury or death is already higher than that of Covid-19, before the long term injuries are even known.
It is criminally reckless.
Might be something to do with the 700 000 covid deaths in the US.
But, sure, it’s just the flu, eh?
700,000 with Covid deaths.
Fixed it for you.
A virus that barely affects children, but the jab happy don’t care. Part innate, part socially engineered – selfishness.
Extrication from the system would be the best for the conscionable. But how possible will that be? All are dependents in some form or other – housing, food, healthcare, education etc
What is very sad about the US situation is that you can nearly predict the approach taken in each state by its colour- Blue being the biggest advocates of masks/lockdowns/vaccines while Red being the opposite.
The whole thing has become so political that one has to wonder if there is any room left for science at all.
Wrong again
Blacks are the largest unvaccinated group
Next you’ll be telling us that this proves that republicans are more left wing lol. “And of course…..”
Actually no, Asians are the most unvaccinated group with black’s being second.
But that doesn’t alter the fact California and New York are Democrat while Florida and Texas are Republican.
Asian American people have the highest rate of vaccinations in the US by racial or ethnic classification. Honestly do you live in some kind of upside down world?
Not for CoVid-19- it is 10% for young Asians and 20% for young blacks.
I’m sorry that’s not what you said initially. You said Asian American people had lower vaccination rates than those of black people in the US and that’s false. You can’t just pretend you meant something else afterwards to make it look like you weren’t just making stuff up, oh and btw I also don’t trust your other factoid:
https://nypost.com/2021/08/30/ninety-percent-of-nyc-asians-aged-13-to-17-are-fully-vaccinated/
@Cian- in what way would injecting children with a substance which does not prevent infections change that situation? There is no communitarian argument- not with the current data coming out of Israel and Singapore. If there is anything to be inferred it is that vaccinated may actually be more infectious than non.
Why do you think you’re the covid person to listen to?
Why?
He’s putting forward his voice – not claiming to be the messiah. And as for voice, he has a good one, reasoned, explanatory & level headed.
He’s been consistently called out on false, misleading and outright made up facts, from any source that backs up his paranoid outlook. At this point, he’s only proving his detractors right. Every single thread has Queenie on covid.
Consistently called out on what?
And by whom? You? All you do is hurl insults like some drunk aunt in the corner of a wedding.
Is that 700,000 over 2 seasons which also includes a high % of death from their comorbidities and not covid?
Not the flu, but close to it in terms of death rate.
I found it very amusing to do a quick search on BS of your posts.
You must have very little to do in life with the extraordinary number of posts you write
It is really extraordinary the amount of wrong and incorrect lies and misinformation you post.
Would you not try getting an elementary education rather than wasting time posting incorrect garbage and stop exposing yourself as an eejit on BS?
Sometimes they have the weekend off.
And there is the usual ad hominin attacks from ‘John’- of course it would be impossible to search for your posts as you keep setting up new emails and new usernames.
If you don’t like the direction this site is going then I suggest you do one rather than hourly attacks on it.
Says the new charger…. Jibber
Jabber
Charger was a troll- try again.
That someone objects to children being injected with experimental concoctions where there is no long term safety data is not trolling.
Oh, be under no illusions, Queenie, you are a troll. I wish you well, but you’re somebody I wouldn’t allow meet my family or friends. You and your cadre.
You’d rather see children get seriously ill from COVID? Seriously get help
https://flaglerlive.com/168476/simon-covid/
We can all pick emotive personal stories to back up our position but Covid-19 is of little or no risk to children- the risk of even known injuries is far greater.
And that only what is known. If there is any serious long term side effects to emerge then these are exactly the demographic they will emerge in.
…oh, forget your Ivormectin
Hocuspocusquinines out
They have a new remedy
So long as you wash it down…with 14 pints of stout…*
*sign me up bodger
Check out Uttar Pradesh, wiped out Covid with Ivermectin but of course, silly bumbums will have no truck with facts.
Sounds like you’re a fan of Pierre Kory. If so then there’s little wonder that you’re struggling to make sense of half facts, omissions, not knowing whether IVM was administered in Uttar Pradesh along with other treatments (therefore meaning that IVM cannot be singled out as ‘the’ most effective component of treatment), and not factoring in lockdowns at all…
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/uttar-pradesh-up-corona-lockdown-curfew-latest-news-update-today-2021-1805795-2021-05-22
I’m fascinated with the logistics of this amazing achevement, but nobody seems to know the details.
The details are quite clear, people were delivered a pack that included Ivermectin & then Covid disappeared – but keep trusting the psychopaths Nigel. Given you’ve fallen for the woke/climate/covid trifecta I suspect you might be a sub-clinical one yourself.
So everyone in Uttar Pradesh was provided with a quantity of Ivermectin? How many people? How much Ivermectin? Is there a clinical study of the process and the outcomes? Studies, I should say, because that’s a lot of people.
‘That included Ivermectin’. Indeed. What else? How can you be sure it wasn’t any of the other items that helped? It seems you are indeed a Kory fan. Kory and a few others, often in receipt of enormous grants to hunt for alternative drug treatments that ‘might’ be used instead of vaccines, are – and I’ll try be gentle with you about this – agents of Big Pharma. It’s just that they’re Continuity Big Pharma as opposed to Official Big Pharma. They have a stake in what gets pushed in exactly the same way that you accuse Pfizer and other vaccine manufacturers of being invested in pushing a particular product. Kory and others have been beavering away for a long time to try to win primacy for assorted drugs over vaccines.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/frontiers-pulls-special-covid-19-issue-after-content-dispute-68721
You’re acting as a spokesperson for Big Pharma and you haven’t even done any research.
The patent for Ivermectin has long since passed. It isn’t in the interests of big pharma because the money isn’t there, unlike the clotshots. There’s a ton of peer review studies for the effectiveness of Ivermectin at this point. You bet on the wrong horse & you want everyone else to do the same. No chance.
Chris outs himself as a shameless Kory groupie. Take a look at how examination of claims made about Ivermectin results in such claims vanishing like snow off a ditch when subjected to scientific scrutiny:
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-ivermectin-5526152-Aug2021/
You’ll note how your hero Kory made claims about treatments ‘that included Ivermectin’ – just like you did. A junior cert student could tell you that it would be beyond dumb to claim that one out of three or more possible ingredients ‘must be responsible for a good outcome’. You do understand that, don’t you? You do understand that ignoring the other two ingredients and not even considering them as potential contributors to a positive outcome is unscientific? Only someone dumb – or someone trying to promote Ivermectin – would draw ‘conclusions’ based on those kinds of misreadings/manipulations of evidence.
Presumably all sceptics have a stash, certainly the ones I know do. Joe McCarron, the man sprung from Letterkenny hospital who subsequently died, was unvaccinated etc. Why didn’t Ivermectin save him?
It has to be taken either as a prophylactic, or in the early onset of symptoms to achieve optimal results. I’m more than a skeptic and I have no stash.
Hey bet on the wrong horse you say?
Oh big big lol
Still remarkably short on details of how Ivermectin was used to make covid disappear from an entire Indian state.
Poor Chris hasn’t got a stash so can’t even deworm the horse he bet on.
Yes believe it or not even in these stark times I’m not above humour. @ Nigel – yet after the dispersion of Ivermectin, no cases. Other things distributed were VIT C & zinc which we know alone don’t combat Covid.
Why haven’t you stocked up on Ivermectin, Chris? What’s your plan if you catch Covid?
You keep saying it was done without saying how, or how much, or how it was studied and with what oversight.
This is Nigel
So, a wizard did it?
No, you provided a shoddy website and I provided a reliable source that pointed out the flaws in methodology in the studies listed on that website that you were claiming to be credible.
Time and time again you expose yourself as being incapable of understanding how to interpret results, how to question methodology and how to differentiate between bogus claims and spin and rigorously examined scientific findings.
There are ongoing trials using Ivermectin but thus far no credible findings that point to its utility as a treatment for Covid-19.
If that’s tl;dr for you – yer website is a load of hooey
Reasons given above, which you’re apparently incapable of understanding.
@ Feargwhatever I don’t know what Kory you speak of. But I do know you are a silly from your posts. Give it up, you look pathetic. 280 million people Covid free vs nonsense clotshots (possible aggressive HIV amongst other ingredients, cadmium, nickel etc) & they don’t even work against Covid! shtaaap…. You were sold a pup -don’t blame the messenger.
You have repeated every one of Kory’s talking points. If you don’t know the origin of the discredited information that you keep spouting then your research skills are dire. You’ve cherry picked some tripe you’ve spotted online, all of it obviously emanating from Kory, and like so many of your ilk you haven’t bothered to check out its veracity or accuracy or whether it has been rebutted.
If, as you claim, you haven’t any knowledge of Kory then cite some sources for your claims. I’d imagine that you can find very few that haven’t been contaminated by Kory’s ‘promotion campaign’.
Amuse us. Show us evidence of the ‘tons of peer reviewed studies’ that conclude that Ivermectin is a successful treatment of Covid-19. Names of authors, journals where the studies appeared etc. Links would be good. And take care to ensure that any studies you cite haven’t been debunked/shot down in flames.
I’m not betting on you being able to do so, however. And you know why.
Here’s a useful database of Ivermectin studies carried out to date(both the good and the bad). You can find many peer reviewed studies in there showing positive outcomes.
I’d advise you to take the time to read them and maybe in future adopt a less aggressive and arrogant tone It doesn’t do you any favours.
https://c19ivermectin.com/
@ f_lawless
‘Misleading clinical evidence and systematic reviews on ivermectin for COVID-19’
Your site gets namechecked, now there’s a surprise!
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678
“…Different websites…have conducted meta-analyses with ivermectin studies, showing unpublished colourful forest plots which rapidly gained public acknowledgement and were disseminated via social media, without following any methodological or report guidelines. These websites do not include protocol registration with methods, search strategies, inclusion criteria, quality assessment of the included studies nor the certainty of the evidence of the pooled estimates. Prospective registration of systematic reviews with or without meta-analysis protocols is a key feature for providing transparency in the review process and ensuring protection against reporting biases, by revealing differences between the methods or outcomes reported in the published review and those planned in the registered protocol. These websites show pooled estimates suggesting significant benefits with ivermectin, which has resulted in confusion for clinicians, patients and even decision-makers. This is usually a problem when performing meta-analyses which are not based in rigorous systematic reviews, often leading to spread spurious or fallacious findings…”
Do your research – properly.
What an absolute clown
It’s quite clear that you’re not able to – or won’t – engage in honest debate. It seems you’re out of your depth just trying sling mud in the hope some of it might stick The information on the page I linked to had no “meta-analyses with ivermectin studies” done by the website itself. It provided links to a range of external websites, many of those to peer-review journals – eg. American Journal of Therapeutics, Journal of Virology & Antiviral Research, Journal of the Indian Medical Association, etc.
Furthermore, the opinion piece you linked to lauds the RECOVERY trials, claiming they “have had a critical role establishing the most useful pharmacological interventions in COVID-19 critical care”. That’s a clear indication that the authors are not on the level.
In 2020 the RECOVERY initiative (sponsored by the Wellcome Trust and the Gates Foundation) was mired in scandal when it was exposed for conducting set-up-to-fail trials of hydroxychloroquine. Toxic doses of the drug were being administered to late-stage patients.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/hcq-behe
“(Like the SOLIDARITY trials ran by the WHO) It also used 2400 mg of hydroxychloroquine in the first 24 hours for treatment of already very ill, hospitalized Covid-19 patients, a potentially lethal dose.
(Trial directors) Horby and Landry presented a number of arguments to reassure that the dosages were not toxic, not all of which stood up to further investigation. For example, they suggest that as no extra deaths had occurred in the first couple of days when the dosage was highest this was evidence that the dose was not fatal (see line 284). They ignored the crucial fact that hydroxychloroquine has a particularly long half-life, and cumulative dosing was the more relevant measure.
(French media outlet) FranceSoir concluded from their extremely detailed investigation of RECOVERY that many patients died of toxic overdoses of hydroxychloroquine rather than covid 19.”
…why don’t you answer my simple question that I’ve been asking you for over 18months now…what motivates you?
Decisions, decisions. A dodgy site with examples containing flawed, misleading methodology, or a paper appearing in a BMJ publication examining evidence-based medicine.
What is clear is that you’re yet another cherry picker using materials that you don’t actually understand or know how to interpret. You also seem indifferent to the quality of the sites that you’re using and the possibility that the information you think that they’re offering you is flawed, misleading or incorrect.
The sequence of interactions thus far:
1. You ask (in a rude manner) for links to peer-review journals with studies showing effectiveness for Ivermectin
2. I provide a page that has direct links to the websites of various of those peer-review journals where the studies have been published (American Journal of Therapeutics, Journal of Virology & Antiviral Research, Journal of the Indian Medical Association, etc, etc)
2. You show an inability to engage with or even acknowledge that information and instead try to attack the messenger(s) who provided the links to the journals (ie. both the website and myself)
This is not the behaviour of someone who has come here for honest engagement. It’s the behaviour of a troll, as plain as day.
What strikes me most about this Ivermectin thing is that it’s such a massive, useless, stupid waste of time, money and energy, all because someone got it in their head to claim it was an effective treatment.
I genuinely don’t know what people who claim to hate big pharma think they’re going to acheive by resisting public health measures. What do they think will be left when public health care has been destroyed?
NIgel pushing nasty, dangerous misinformation yet again.
Does he never get tired of being wrong?
https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html#:~:text=Ivermectin%20is%20the%20safe%2C%20repurposed%20Nobel%20Prize-Winning%20drug,India%2C%20by%20an%20astonishing%2097%25%20in%20five%20weeks.
That article consists entirely of wild claims and rhetoric and nothing else.
Always contemptuous of facts that don’t support your insane narratives.
In India they put liars like you on trial.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indian-bar-association-sues-who-scientist-over-ivermectin/article_f90599f8-c7be-11eb-a8dc-0b3cbb3b4dfa.html
“The Indian Bar Association (IBA) sued WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan on May 25, accusing her in a 71-point brief of causing the deaths of Indian citizens by misleading them about Ivermectin. “
Yes, hmmm, put me to death for pointing out that your article was just advertising bumpf to get US Trumpers to fork over to online quacks for Ivermectin prescriptions.
https://babylonbee.com/news/counter-cultural-rebel-believes-everything-athletes-reporters-actors-ceos-believe
@ Lily, to be honest, I’m not too worried about it, I’m 42 (I have partied) but I’m in relativly good health. If it was easy to source I’d definitely have some at hand – but I’m more worried about the political situation we find ourselves in & my mothers failing health (post jabs).
Sorry to hear that, Chris. Thankfully it hasn’t knocked a feather out of my own mother. She had her booster jab on Friday along with a flu jab.
AFAIK, it’s easy enough to get hold of Ivermectin online. If you genuinely believe in its efficacy, I’d get some post haste. Covid is unpredictable.
Thanks Lilly! I’m glad it hasn’t affected your mothers health & long may it continue. It really seems to be a pot shot, both my parents attended at the same time & only my mother is suffering ongoing adverse reactions. But I will say there are now at 2.5 million adverse vaccine reactions logged with the EU, I think it’s madness that they’re still on the market.
Cool, now enabling the trade of Ivermectin…keep it classy… and try not to poison yourself or your loved ones…
God, but that Bob Geldof birthday bash on the Late Late Show was squirmingly embarrassing. Scarleh for Bob.
I watched for ten minutes until Niall Stokes came on – state of him, Bobo the clown. What could Geldof do but grin and bear it. I’d say he feels like divorcing his wife today for walking him into that.
I thought he was exposed as being an actual glove puppet years ago , you could not make a fella like Stokes up
It’s always just a little gratifying though when people end up looking as ridiculous as you’ve always believed them to be. I could never read his HP editorials as a kid without my eyes rolling dangerously towards the back of my head. Bertie Ahern is another one whose florid features seem to mirror his venality.
Yea fair enough – lol
The funniest bit was when David Cameron was front and center. You could see an actual piece of him die inside at that whatever about Tony Blair and Gordon Brown making an appearance.
You have better staying power than me, Rosette. I didn’t make it that far. But I recorded it in case I missed any good bits. I saw reports on Twitter that there was a bit of froideur between Robbo and the birthday boy. Doubt it’s worth fast forwarding to though.
I’d say further time spent on that Freddie Mercury Ghost Cat story in today’s papers would be a better use of your valuable time to be honest Lilly
That clearly is NOT the remains of a Grand Power pistol.
https://www.afg-defense.eu/gas-pistol-grand-power-g9a-mk121-full-auto-cal.9mm/