“The unvaccinated, I really want to piss them off. And so, we’re going to continue doing so, until the end. That’s the strategy.
“I won’t send (the unvaccinated) to prison, I won’t vaccinate by force. So we need to tell them, from Jan. 15, you won’t be able to go to the restaurant anymore, you won’t be able to down one, won’t be able to have a coffee, go to the theatre, the cinema…”
French President Emmanuel Macron in an interview with La Parisian.
Cheese-eating fascist monkey.
Macron says he wants to ‘piss off’ the non-vaccinated (Reuters)
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Finally an admission – your conception of fascism is stuff that pisses you off.
No, I think the fascist part is where the President of a supposed Liberal democracy openly states his intention to subject an entire portion of the population to social exclusion from daily life in society simply for exercising their right to decline a medical treatment where the basis for this differing treatment is spite and coercion, and is not supported by any scientific basis. Denying citizens access to society and treating them like pariahs for exercising their rights is text book fascist stuff.
I’m thinking 1930’s Germany probably wasn’t covered much in Nigel’s LC History classes
Ironically, the vast bulk of unvaxxed in France are Le Pen and actual unashamed fascist Eric Zemmour voters / sympathisers. Funny old world eh?
when the ” left ” are becoming bigger fascists than the right ? Sooo drôle
The left in France have waaaay bigger problems than worrying about what Macron said about anti-vaxxers and/or unvaxxed. Barely any left-hue candidate registering 5% in first round intentions to vote with the traditional Communist Party on the verge of disappearing. For Macron, he needs to be careful – he needs the centre-left to come out for him and while France is trending right, I suspect he most fears Pecresse as a second round opponent and the left abstaining in the run-off. The crazies he can deal with. We will see but not an election I’d be betting the house on!
that’s exactly it Macron is supposed to be at least to the left of Le Pen
When dealing with a global health emergency is fascism, the fascists really have won, because you can be sure if the fascists get control they will just let people die. See the Republicans in the US, all vaccinated and protected themselves, opposing every single pandemic measure for purely pilitical advantage, then blaming Biden for not dealing with the pandemic while the bodies pile up.
It will be interesting to see whether the truly dark (for all the throwing around the term fascist it really applies here) Eric Zemmour succeeds in taking out Marine Le Pen who he considers rough and shall we say “incapable d’être à la hauteur des circonstances”.It is said Zemmour’s real plans are for the 2027 election either a victory for him or Marion Marechal le Pen who has been disowned by Marine as she has thrown in her lot with Zemmour.
Remember the bit of 1930s German history where there was a belief that a secret cabal of wealthy people was conspiring to take over the world?
Very good analogy that shows who the real fascists are here.
Who funded the Nazis? They didn’t lose. Indeed, it’s the same financial centres of power you’re aligned to now. You’ve just misunderstood what the purpose of the war was to begin with.
‘Who funded the Nazis?’
When they came into power they engaged in the largest ever project of privatisation of public services?
‘You’ve just misunderstood what the purpose of the war was to begin with.’
I’ve a horrible feeling you’re going to tell me it wasn’t lebensraum.
Remember the Left’s take-over of Russia, which plunged that nation & most of Eastern Europe into a dystopia that made Hitler’s Reich look like a short picnic?
The wilful blindness of those who pretend that “Fascists” are the main or even most common threat to Democracy renders their analysis asinine. They are The Boy Who Cried Wolf, while the sheep were savaged by a tiger. Let’s not even mention the heavyweight champion, Mao nor his acolyte, Pol Pot.
Whoops!
Not sure what this has to do with a growing belief that a secret cabal poisoned the world with a pandemic, which may or may not have been fake, and is now poisoning people with vaccines. Are the secret cabal supposed to be Communists now? I thought they were trying to turn the world into a neoliberal hypercapitalist hellhole, not a worker’s paradise?
Communism has never been a worker’s paradise Nigel- even you should know that much.
Duh.
You have the right to decline the medical treatment but there’s a pandemic on, sorry.
Claims of a pandemic without evidence of pandemic is fraud.
Are yyou a fraud Nigel?
You certainly shrill like one.
And then project your inadequacies on to those who challenge your nonsense.
If you can provide evidence for your pandemic outside of your fake news circle jerk then fraud it is you are.
*can’t
You still haven’t checked things like infection rates, hospitalisations, ICU numbers, deaths, which are available from all over the world? I’m beginning to think you’re not really interested in evdience that the pandemic isn’t fake at all.
You win today’s tinfoil hat award. Chapeau given the competition you have fought off hmmm!
A pandemic of fear and hysteria all to induce subservience in the global population to enable the complete restructuring of the global social and economic order for the 4th Industrial Revolution. Vaccine passes clearly have nothing to do with stopping a pandemic.
‘to induce subservience in the global population to enable the complete restructuring of the global social and economic order for the 4th Industrial Revolution’
‘fear and hysteria’
Had you been alive in 1930s Germany, Nigel, when diseases like typhus etc. were rife, would you have supported the exclusion -on public health grounds – of Jews from bars, restaurants, etc?
Would you have supported the herding, in the 1940s, on public health grounds, of Polish Jews into the ghettoes?
The ‘science’ then claimed Jews were spreaders of diseases, justifying the taking of such actions.
Would your reaction then have been the same as your reaction now?
In 1930s Germany, Jews and other minorities would have been excluded from public health programmes that provided vaccinations and treatments against diseases like typhus. People who voluntarily refuse vaccines that are freely available to all during a pandemic comparing themsleves to Jews in 1930s Germany is obscene.
The Greater Good so?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-D_A4D-BG4
In fairness Nigel. That’s the concept of Fascism that Twitter understands. Permanently peed off in sequence. Heil Piddler.
@Nigel
“People who voluntarily refuse vaccines that are freely available to all during a pandemic comparing themsleves to Jews in 1930s Germany is obscene.”
The exclusion of Jews from society on public health grounds was only part of the equation, of course.
Another part of the equation was with regard to purification of values. The obscenity of Jewish values had also to be eradicated.
Yes, but they didn’t exclude them because they were refusing to get vaccinated during a pandemic, they were refusing them because they hated Jews.
Nigel.
You sidestepped my original question.
Had you been living in 1930s Germany – when Jews were excluded from society on public health grounds – would you have supported such exclusion on the basis that it was supported by the science?
What science? There was no science involved, just racism.
You won’t send to prison or vaccinate by force because you can’t honey – that would be completely illegal.
But you would if you could but you can’t so you won’t- at least while pretending there is some semblance of democratic values in place- for now.
Macron is not mincing his words on what he thinks about France’s unvaccinated. You would think that he would be more cautious, given the election, but 90% of French adults are vaccinated & I bet that none of the one in ten are or would ever be Macron voters. An error? Maybe but not a stumble or a lapse. The reply went on for quite a while and gave every impression of being pre-planned. Opposition politicians and April presidential election rivals are wallowing in fake indignation – which may be just what Macron wanted.
“They are gesticulating, we are governing”. Making the lives of the non-vaccinated a misery has been Macron’s policy since the health pass was announced in July – and a very successful one at that. The rules are to be tightend from 15 Jan. Almost 92% of French adults are vaccinated but almost 90% of those in acute care are unvaxxed. Macron’s words will delight many people. The remaining unvaxxed would never vote for him anyway.
You can spin until the cows come home but everyone knowns the issues are not pro / anti vaccines- but mandates and passports.
The second spin is that everyone is ‘far right’ which is completely contradicted by the scale of the French protests.
Have you even bothered to watch those videos? I have and I must say, there was some very Queer looking fascists about indeed.
You yourself are a shining example of how anyone can be a reactionary.
Oh dear – you seem piqued when I pointed out how many French are vaccinated. You’re spinning yourself SOQ (although a paltry reply) – it is trite to point out that many (not all) unvaxxed are far right voters/sympathisers – there are certain (but few) Melenchonites who may indeed be queer as you state. Oh and the protests you crow about have dwindled substantially in numbers over the last 6 months.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210911-turnout-down-slightly-for-french-protests-against-covid-19-health-pass 140000 in all of France – that is your one in ten I refer to and no way a huge (insert your usual preferred superlative SOQ) number.
It doesn’t matter how many are are not vaccinated because that does not change people’s politics. France24 is as an accurate coverage of protests as the BBC- which means not at all.
Says the lad whose news sources are Tiktok (aren’t you a little old SOQ) and YouTube.
Sheesh.
Lame stream media, fake news, lügenpresse etc. etc. : wash, rinse, repeat.
TikTok is the least censored media planform right now- also the most visited site in the world of course.
My main sources are Peter McCullough and Robert Malone but sure you’d probably have to google who they are eh?
Pathetic sneering.
SOQ – you can’t accuse me of sneering while wallowing in conspiracy muck and sneeringly feeling free to blithely dismiss France 24 and the BBC as effectively fake news for telling you things that don’t fit your narrative. On your fuppin bike mate.
Ah when all else fails- the old conspiracy slur. The largest street protests in London in twenty five years and the BBC begrudgingly report several thousands? Weekly protests in Paris and you have to watch RT to even get a glimpse of what is going on?
There is a reason why the likes of Joe Rogan is getting the ratings than CNN could only dream of- because he is telling the truth. The main media is digging its own grave at the moment which in fairness, is amusing to watch.
You make the common mistake of claiming any vaccinated person is automatically in the pro vaccine pass mandate camp. Many who are fully vaccinated are deeply opposed to the vaccine pass. Many fully vaxxed are also feeling extremely uncomfortable with the ever advancing creep of passes they were assured would only be used for international travel and have since expanded greatly, with the additional requirement to continuously vaccinate regularly with no end in sight.
It’s not a mistake Matty- it is very deliberate. You are not dealing with people who’s views are to be debated- it is a script to be followed.
More than 400 staff members at one Quebec hospital tested positive for COVID-19, with around 400 others in isolation for “challenges related to COVID-19,” said Martin Beaumont, CEO of CHU de Quebec-Universite Laval.
https://www.longwoods.com/newsdetail/17266
How many cases have to “breakthrough” before they admit that the damned things don’t bloody work?
?
Aside from another strange link, vaccines do not stop transmission but in most cases prevent serious illness.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/more-than-400-staff-members-at-quebec-hospital-tested-positive-for-covid-19-ceo-1.5726391
The point being that they do not prevent infection- which is the supposed excuse for Marcon’s little Adolf moment.
Well my dear, If Trump and Bojo not to mention Bolsonaro can play politics with the pandemic- so can Macron. It’s a two-way street. The crazies set the standard!
All governments have played politics with the pandemic, but none more so that those who claim to be left and liberal.
@SOQ – lol. Usual tripe: “the real fascists are not the actual fascists but anyone who believes in liberal democracy, free and fair elections (not tango-inspired cack-handed coups) and verifiable facts”.
Weird that I have to actually explain this but- taking things away from people until they agree to do what you say is not giving them a choice, it is punishing them until they concede to your demands.
Normally we would refer to this type of behaviour as manipulation and abuse, which are core fascists traits.
The only people who continually spread the lie that vaccines stop you getting the virus are looney anti-vaxxers.
They do this to then later claim the vaccines don’t work. A classical Aunt Sally argument.
and here comes the troll- is that the best you can do?
Plenty of strong evidence that the vaccines do not work as claimed. Again with the insults. How can we have a reasoned debate if people such as yourself keep feigning the moral high ground by diminishing those who differ with your opinion. And it is just an opinion unless you’re a qualified immunologist or similiar, which judging by your use of language you’re not. I love you too.
broadsheet clearly helping the unvaccination propaganda
Unvaccinated idiots are the ones that keep us coming back to waves, until there is not a cure we need to use vaccines to NOT collapse the hospitals
You want you vaccinated because the hopsitals…. no because we give a damn about your life, for such useless brain a vaccine is obviously wasted on you but in order for us to enojoy life in the meantime we need you vaccinated
no where in Marseille checks anymore
Good to hear Janet- about time people started pushing back.
“unvaccination propaganda”
more modern life makeyuppey terms for the smartphone generation, wha
This lie again – the unvaccinated are not prolonging anything. Countries with near total vaccination are still seeing huge waves of infection. The vaccine is non-sterilising AND its efficacy wanes quickly, even quicker with each booster.
The pandemic will end when pearl-clutchers such as yourself realise that we have to live with it, rather than hide from it.
‘the unvaccinated are not prolonging anything’
If the poor countries that have not been allowed full access to vaccines keep poduicng more variants requiring further boosters and lockdowns, then technically they will, though the fault will lie in incredibly short-sighted behaviour by the rich countries, but you are correct, in Ireland the unvaccinated by choice are a trivially small but loud bunch.
Poor countries that have produced the likes of Omicron that has given us huge case numbers but a potential end to the pandemic thanks to the mutations that made the virus weaker?
How ironic it would be that a variant from a Africa could potentially be more likely to end this pandemic than vaccines.
‘a potential end to the pandemic thanks to the mutations that made the virus weaker?’
Uh, that’s certainly an optimistic take, and hopefully a correct one, but I’m afraid you might be counting your chickens in assuming that subsequent variants will be weaker.
You are a beautiful light in the cosmos and would shine if you weren’t busy shilling.
…a quick look at Broadsheet would confirm that the people least affected by restrictions on unvaccinated would be ratlickers and hangers-on…even ratlicker general on here was boasting that he’d just come from having a few pints…wonder what percentage of the anti-vaxxers on here are vaccinated?
Apart from your love of hurling hate names and insults- how in God’s name can you be a vaccinated antivaxxer?
vaccinated antivaxxer…LOL… it’s too difficult for these people to consider that like the virus there are many variants of those who don’t support all facets of the vaccine program.
Now now, none of that common sense talk out of you. How dare you, you have stolen my nonsense.
is it just pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine people that make up the contents of the pie chart, in your opinion bisted?
straight question
…looks like you’re upsetting the apple tart there Giggser…
Ah Bisted. You still haven’t answered why you need to know so much about my medical history. You’re a very silly boy. Did the three replies above not suit you, so you had to try divert? Tsk tsk tsk.
…you’re right there Giggser…my interest in your medical history has declined since I realised you were not as unique as I thought as a vaccinated ratlicker…
Hasn’t declined that much obviously. Did you not like the other replies to your insignificant post?
Have you tried licking rats? I hear one can get high doing so, or is that toads? You’re the expert, do tell all.
Continuing the anti vax rhetoric I see. Congratulations.
“Until the end.”
It’s interesting that he thinks there is an “end” to all this. I wonder what he thinks that will be.
The virus becoming endemic I imagine. It will happen sooner rather than later.
As Omicron rips through the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated alike this Pratt decides that goading people like this is a good idea.
It’s one thing implementing policies that have the results he’s describing and another thing altogether to grandstand and openly state that your goal is to annoy people.
Anyone here (you know who you are) who believes that this type of absolute nonsense is becoming of a political leader and doesn’t see echoes of extremism (fascist or left wing extremism, it really doesn’t matter which) in this rhetoric are deluding themselves.
Time for a lot of people to cop on and take stock of what should be acceptable in a supposedly democratic society.
This pandemic has brought out the worst in so many people.
“and another thing altogether to grandstand and openly state that your goal is to annoy people”. Eye roll. Where the hell were you when Trump, Bojo, Bolsonaro and the rest were doing this exact thing to those on the other side of the argument?!
Mindless hypocrisy and double standards. Like Bojo with Brexit- the Brits can play fast and loose with the rules even surrendering the gross dishonesty and the EU are expected to follow the letter of the law and/or turn a blind eye!
Nonsense.
Bitnboxy, you need to be able to prove that I support the Trumps and Bojos of this world before taking the moral high ground and calling me a hypocrite.
Burden of proof and all that. From any reasonable position you’re being a bit of backside here.
Talk about nonsense.
‘to grandstand and openly state that your goal is to annoy people.’
Old enough to remember how lots of commenters on here admired Trump for his capacity to annoy people. C’est ca.
But yes, this kind of rhetoric is counterproductive, it only works for Trump because of the sheer unreasoning hatred his supporters have for the people he annoys, and that was limited, and we don’t want to see it replicated.
I believe you have that in reverse. It has been the ‘Dems’ who hold all the trophies for extreme reactionary behaviour.
I believe I do not have it in reverse at all.
…in fairness, Nigel may have sulked for the four years after crooked Hillary snatched failure from the jaws of victory…but the most violent thing he did was throw his toys out of the pram…
We can’t all run elections like Putin does.
Ma France. C’est Macron.
A true man of the people, I’m sure history will remember him kindly
Yes, Nigel’s leaps of logic have become ever more bizarre as reality impinges upon his fantasy world, he’s our very own Frank Drebin, in Naked Syringe 2.5. There’s an edge of desperation there too, he seems to be trying to convince himself as much as the rest of us & failing on both counts. It gives the show a poignant flavour. 6/10.
+1
Really admire how much you guys hate personal attacks.
I was in France on the night of Macron’s election & he was pissing me off, even then. He’s the most overt Elite plant ever to preside over a major European nation, even a cursory perusal of his bio reveals the fact that he is financed by the Rothschilds, for whom he worked for five years, before returning with enough money to found his own, personal political party.
It will be a disaster for France if he is re-elected, he, like Varadker, does not work on behalf of his electorate but for forces which desire the destruction of Nations & Nationality, which stand in the way of greater profits for the already filthy-rich Globalist Elite. These are the people creating & organising this murderous fake pandemic.
Lol. Although I have already bestowed today’s tinfoil hat award, I am according you a special commendation in the légion d’honneur K. Cavan – un abruti par excellence – un grand cru du genre ou bien con.
:-p