UCC philosophy boffin Vittorio Bufacchi (above) says ‘herd immunity must be fairly shared among the individual members of the morally responsible collective’
This morning/afternoon.
Via Dr Vittorio Bufacchi, a senior lecturer in Philosophy at University College Cork, in the Irish Times:
‘…Contrary to what the anti-vax movement is declaring, mandatory vaccinations are not an infringement of our basic rights. One’s right to choose not to be vaccinated is being respected, although this right does not give anyone the licence to put others at risk.
‘Under mandatory vaccination a person maintains the right not to be vaccinated, but does not enjoy the right that puts others under a duty to allow unvaccinated people into their restaurants, pubs, or work environments. In certain circumstances this may extend to losing one’s job.
‘…there is a strong case for vaccination to be mandatory, at least in theory. That is because the principle of fairness requires that the burden to reach herd immunity be fairly shared among the individual members of the morally responsible collective.’
He adds:
‘Mandatory vaccinations could be as minimal as stipulating a longer isolation period for the non-vaxxed, or at the other end of the spectrum legislation could be introduced so that those whose elective surgery has been postponed can take a civil case against those who refused vaccination but ended up in hospital due to Covid-19.
Somewhere in the middle there is the option of making pubs and stadiums out of bounds to anti-vaxxers – that’s probably what would hurt them the most.
Yikes.
Mandatory vaccination not the same as compulsory (Vittorio Bufacch, Irish Times)
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Meanwhile…
Australia has fallen.. unvaccinated citizens are completely banned from life..! pic.twitter.com/P1U8IOv9ye
— Pelham (@Resist_05) January 13, 2022
mandatory but not compulsory, did Regina Doherty write this article?
Get him on the telly. I would love to hear him say that in front of a jabless panel.
Either he is telling the truth or spreading lies.
Can it now be dealt with here and now.
Completely ignoring the fact that vaccinated can be just as infectious. If there was semblance of journalism left in The Pfizer Times he would be challenged on this of course, but it is what it is.
I’d happily hit him where it hurts
Sigh. The point is to cause the least amount of hurt and do the most good. Using public health measures to punish people is the opposite of that. So what if anti-vaxxers benefit from actions they refuse to believe in or contribute to? It’s like spending millions to recoup thousands from welfare cheats while billions are wasted on big public projects. They’re not really the problem, not here, anyway. They’ve turned the US into Covidland, though. Oppose them in the public sphere, prove them wrong, and then get on with things. Vindictiveness is pointless and harmful.
” could be introduced so that those whose elective surgery has been postponed can take a civil case against those who refused vaccination but ended up in hospital due to Covid-19.”…total loon, Id like to see how that would work
Paper never refused ink
lol, what a load of hot air
Right to not get infected? I’m sorry, I didnt realise that you getting the common cold, flu, RSV, a chest infection, athletes foot etc were all breaches of your rights – here was me thinking it was just one of those occupational hazards of you know.. being alive?
I don’t know why we just don’t go head on in to this with a good aul dose of hard-line apartheid. Vaxed Bar here, un vaxed bar over there. Vaxed Gym this side of the road, un vaxed gym that side of the road. Vaccinated people cafes to the left, un …..okay you get it. Any way, you know I’m be facetious. It sounds daft in isolation yet his definition doesn’t. The world has gone mad.
It’s not apartheid, it’s just basic utilitarianism: what is best for society as a whole i.e. the greatest happiness of the greatest number.
we must defend our right to go maskless and jabless. My individual freedom to spread my germs and infect others is constitutional, in fact i should also be allowed to kill people, drink drive and jaywalk, anything i want to do because other people don’t have rights, only me. My mammy told me i was special and if i want to burn the house down with her in it, i am going to do that cause noone tells me what to do and noone can mess with my freedom. If i infect someone, they are probably immunocompromised, have a pre-existing condition or are old so they deserve to die, that’s not my problem, why should i care?
Ah now lads. Leave him alone.
His book about the lockdown won’t sell itself ye know. ;p
https://www.bookdepository.com/Everything-Must-Change-Vittorio-Bufacchi/9781526158772?redirected=true&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Base2&utm_source=IE&utm_content=Everything-Must-Change&selectCurrency=EUR&w=AFFPAU96PLYRYVA8V388&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5JbPkfGu9QIV0mDmCh1MQgzrEAQYASABEgKy8_D_BwE
A wee URL posting tip there Micko- everything including and after the question mark in a URL is extra data, which is not required. So your link above becomes https://www.bookdepository.com/Everything-Must-Change-Vittorio-Bufacchi/9781526158772 – which is a lot shorter.
Cheers.
I did know this, but could not be arsed :-)
Not always.
e.g. If you link to duckduckgo the search term is after the ? so it is required in some cases.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+do+search+the+internet&t=h_&ia=web
I meant after a website address, not a search engine query.
Thanks Micko. With the minimum amount of research these yes people, charlatans and snake oli merchants can be exposed.
The cover pic says it all.
They Are certifiable sociopaths.
Im begining to write off academia in favour of common sense. As it’s in very short supply these days.
“the burden to reach herd immunity be fairly shared among the individual members of the morally responsible collective”
Unless, of course, for individuals who are contributing to herd immunity through naturally acquired immunity, in which case they can be subject to a “moral” imposition to take an unnecessary medication imposed on them from the “morally responsible” minority of the philosopher “collective”?
Save it for yer mates down the pub Vittorio
“Immunity : the protection against a pathogen acquired by exposure of ones wallet to a pharmaceutical conglomerate.”
Immunity- something big Pharma has from liability.
…maybe some of Broadsheets medical experts could enlighten me…could a simple blood test not establish definitively whether you were positive for the anti-bodies achieved through vaccination or having contracted Covid…don’t elite athletes get blood tested regularly…or does that not apply to tennis?
Yes an antibody test will give a good indication of a relatively recent infection. Apart from big Pharma profits, there is no reason why a positive antibody result should not be accepted as proof of immunity.
T and B Cells are better however but the test for them is more complicated, and expensive.
The level of antibodies vary Bisted with individuals and depending on the viral load transmitted to you.
It is not a clear result as to how long immunity lasts.
But, T and B Cells are? Make no mistake, if the were the same profit margins involved, there would be rapid tests on the market for them too.
It’s all about money.
At present the vaccine campaign is not keeping up with the virus according to the WHO Technical Advisory Group on Covid-19 Vaccine Composition:
“As the virus evolves and until new vaccines are available, “the composition of current Covid-19 vaccines may need to be updated”, the group said…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/repeated-covid-boosters-not-viable-strategy-against-new-variants-who-experts-warn
“…The WHO has resisted the push to roll out blanket booster programmes in the battle against new concerning variants like Omicron, saying it makes no sense as many people in poorer nations are still waiting for a first jab, dramatically increasing the chance of new, more dangerous variants emerging. So far, more than eight billion doses of Covid-19 vaccines have been administered in at least 219 territories, according to a count by Agence France-Presse. While more than 67% of people in high income countries have received at least one jab, fewer than 11% have in low income countries, according to UN numbers.”
As we head into year three there’s still some way to go.
Re: Australia- what strikes me about our own shower is how they waffle on with any reference to other countries, where events are further ahead. It’s like they expect a variant to behave in a completely different manner once it arrives here- despite following a set pattern everywhere else.
And the same goes for Australia. I know its the other side of the world but that is no excuse nowadays.
Do they know that people can be infectious irrespective of vaccination status? Can they not see that the latest manifestation is much less virulent? Do they not understand that the vaccines wane very quickly and over a relatively short period of time, are of no use?
All of this is based on the good faith assumption that the primary purpose of passports is to reduce infection of course- which is becoming less probable by the day.
I detest these bobble heads that twist the truth.
The jabs do not confer long lasting immunity or stop transmission of the disease, therefore they will never play a part in any sort of herd immunity. They actively reduce the bodies own ability to fight off illness through ADE.
I rather unselfishly have not been jabbed. Instead I have bravely accepted to catch the flu if I must, survive it, as 99.7% of people do, and then actually contribute to a true herd immunity. The cowardly sheep, running to big pharma to save them with snake oil jabs are gullible beyond belief.
It is an act of foolishness to try to vaccinate into a pandemic with a leaky vaccine and that is what has just occurred.
No amount of intimidation or coercion will change my stance on the jab, and in truth it merely hardens my resolve to remain part of the control group in this experimental gene therapy roll out.
It isn’t flu’
https://twitter.com/i/events/1481369958441381890
And why do people like you constantly cite a 99.7% ‘survival rate’? Where do you keep pulling that figure from, apart from social media accounts?
Globally, it is not yet known how many people have actually had Covid-19 so wild guesses about ‘survival rates’ are nonsense. And that’s before you address how many of the ‘survivors’ may be afflicted with Long Covid, and all the ongoing health complications that entails.
You’re just another uninformed drive-by spoofer.
In Ireland the fatality rate is 0.6%
So a 99.4% survival rate.
Approx 1 million cases with 6k dead = 0.6%
Of course, as you say the actual number of infections is likely to be much higher, so the fatality rate is also much lower.
But this is where we are officially now.
You say ‘in Ireland’ yet you don’t seem to be including the 3,000+ deaths in the occupied part of our country (from around 469,000 cases).
What percentage of 470K is 3000?
About 0.6% again. So a 99.4% survival rate there too.
And again, actual infection numbers are likely to be much higher, so the percentage will be much smaller. Plus the whole dying with and from Covid thing too is a factor.
This is all good news Fearg.
You should be happy. Hopefully means Covid is going the way of the flu.
You’re just another uninformed drive-by spoofer.
You really have no understanding of the concept of tact eh Fearganainm?
Says the let’s hunt people down wannabe doxxer.
Where exactly did I say that please?
Assuming the 5 million who are counted as having had died from Covid is more or less the correct figure for deaths from the pandemic, then 7,995 million have survived the pandemic, whether or not they were infected (a bit of rounding involved here btw).
That is a figure of less than 1 per thousand, meaning that 99.9% is an underestimate of the percentage of survivors.
However many of those deaths are possible or probable covid cases. And many more are people who died with the disease, but not of it. After all, if someone with the flu dies of a heart attack the death would not normally be registered as a flu death, but as a myocardial infarction.
I agree SailorGerry- all this bullying and coercion has strengthened my resolve too.
Whatever the reason for it, I am certain it is not for the good of my health nor anyone else’s.
I’ve met so many twits like him, I seriously have little hope for any free thinkers. He should be ashamed of himself, and him calling himself a philosopher, of course he knows who is paying his salary.
It would be my pleasure to shave his head and remove that smug look from his gob.
My dictionary tells me that compulsory means:
“2. required without exception; mandatory; obligatory.”
Mandatory, however means:
“2. authoritively ordered; obligatory. 3. Law. permitting no option.”
So our man is telling us that what is obligatory is not obligatory.
I guess the relevant words have other meanings in Italian, and his understanding is based on similar words in Italian.
or something.