83 thoughts on “Wednesday’s Papers

  1. Hughie Luas

    Local lad says Poland should have given the MiGs to Ireland when the Russian naval manoeuvres happened off Kerry and none of this would have happened.

  2. jungleman

    I’m confused by the English papers. Is it the Ukrainians fighting the Russians, or the brits?

    1. stephen moran

      It’s just the Ukrainian refugees that are having to fight poxy Patel’s parsimonious do not pass go visa lottery fiasco.

      1. stephen moran

        The are more oligarchs housed in the UK than refugees. There are reports of refugees being asked for utility bills by UK officials ! Oh sorry i dropped my electric Ukraine bill when that mortar shell landed beside whilst trying to escape through Russia’s idea of a “humanitarian corridor”.

        this takes the soggy biscuit award though
        https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1501261748493557766

        1. Fearganainm

          Soggy biscuits?

          “…On Monday, one family followed by the BBC was sent from building to building across Calais to track down promised British support. When they eventually found the right place, the Home Office representation amounted to three men at a trestle table in a deserted departure hall at the port, with bags of ready salted crisps and Kit Kats. ..”

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60659786

    2. f_lawless

      It’s NATO shaping up to escalate a proxy war until every last drop of Ukrainian blood has been split, egged on by a comedian turned puppet-president who is out of his depth and recklessly playing to the crowd at the expense of Ukrainian people and by extension the stability of the wider world.

        1. SOQ

          There is quite a difference between starting a war and instigating a military operation. The provocations against Russia have been relentless and their actions are defensive.

          1. scottser

            ah, the old ‘best form of defence is attack’ argument.
            you might be a bit more understanding then the next time some random scrote punches you in the face – see, it was YOUR fault after all.

          2. paul

            we’re getting very close to a ‘they were asking for it’ argument. Tread carefully.

          3. jungleman

            “There is quite a difference between starting a war and instigating a military operation. The provocations against Russia have been relentless and their actions are defensive.”

            Wow, you really are a piece of scum.

        1. SOQ

          And the childish insults continue- it really is tiresome.

          How many usernames are you now up to?

        2. anti bot

          f lawless and soq, also known as click bait. come on lads when are you going to get onto climate change?

      1. Vlad X. Novichok

        Of course that’s exactly what a Toady Choad hot for Putin boner snot would say. It’s all those manky lib loving NATOs in West. Sctoopid NATOs.

        To paraphrase Peacemaker, we all know flawless, Mattie, Queeine, Mad and the lolololol clown really loves peace and don’t care how many Ukrainian men, women and children Putin has to kill to get it.

        1. Micko

          “(They) don’t care how many Ukrainian men, women and children Putin has to kill to get it.”

          Good to see that Ukraine has become the new Covid.

          Lads – “Umm… I think the situation may be complex and nuanced and not as black and white as it initially seems”

          You – “YOU ARE LITERALLY MURDERING GRANNIES!!!!”

          ;P

          1. Nigel

            But they are literally murdering grannies, and granddads and mothers and fathers and daughters and sons. You’re using ‘nuance’ as a subsitute for ‘equivocation.’

          2. Micko

            No Nigel.

            I’m saying we’ve had two years of arguing about Covid here and it turns out in the end, and in the fullness of time, that both sides of the argument got things wrong and right.

            It was a nuanced still evolving situation.

            Do we really want to go down the same road again for the next while?

            Or do we want to listen to someone else’s opinion, without people accusing them of being complicit or condoning some mad dictator plan to invade another country.

          3. Tom J

            How is it good that the Ukraine is being attacked by tanks and missiles. Totally different to Covid.

          4. Vlad X. Novichok

            Toady Choads hot for Putin Boner snot gonna Toady. All the way from Orwell Road, I’m beginning to think. Insert, disinform, disrupt… it is they way, you know.

          5. Micko

            Well, I know sarcasm is hard to type Tom – but please take my “good” reference as that.

            And I’m not commenting on the invasion of Ukraine directly, I have no expertise in that area. I’m more talking about the effect it is having on people outside of the conflict.

            I believe the image below shared by Nick, conveys my point more succinctly then I ever could

            https://www.broadsheet.ie/2022/03/09/and-youre-under-2/

          6. Nigel

            Pretty sure most of the stuff you guys argued about covid remains as wrong as ever tbh.

          7. Nigel

            I’ll just repost this to add, y’know, nuance:

            https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/03/covid-us-death-rate/626972/

            ‘The United States reported more deaths from COVID-19 last Friday than deaths from Hurricane Katrina, more on any two recent weekdays than deaths during the 9/11 terrorist attacks, more last month than deaths from flu in a bad season, and more in two years than deaths from HIV during the four decades of the AIDS epidemic. At least 953,000 Americans have died from COVID, and the true toll is likely even higher because many deaths went uncounted. COVID is now the third leading cause of death in the U.S., after only heart disease and cancer, which are both catchall terms for many distinct diseases.’

          8. Micko

            CDC agree that Natural immunity is best – I’m only agreeing with the science.

            The nuance that so many Americans have died is probably due to the fact that a large amount of American’s blood type is Liptor…

          9. Nigel

            ‘CDC agree that Natural immunity is best’

            There’s an argument you lost right from the start and the UK tried it and had to do a u-turn. But now it’s a massive ongoing socio-medical experiment in the US and the bodies are piling up, so ‘best’ is a something that requires serious qualification.

            That’s the kind of nuance that, if true, it seems to me would suggest letting covid rip through the population is a very, very bad idea, just like every other nuance from the last two years.

  3. Fearganainm

    Focus on Kyiv deadlock obscures Russia’s success in south Ukraine:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/08/kyiv-deadlock-contrasts-russia-worrying-south-ukraine-war-progress

    …“The southern theatre of the war is a vital element of the overall Russian campaign design for Ukraine,” wrote Ryan. “[It] contains Ukraine’s 13 seaports, which in 2021 exported over 150 million tons of cargo. This represents 60% of exports & 50% of imports for Ukraine. And while the war in the north and east has settled into a slow moving and grinding war of attrition, the war in the south has been the location of more operational success for the invading Russian forces…”

    1. Cú Chulainn

      It’s called the sacrifice zone.. those ports export Russia, not Ukraine, which exports on Russian built train lines to the West.

  4. Fearganainm

    Christopher S Chivvis, Director of the American Statecraft Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace:

    How does this end?

    https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/03/03/how-does-this-end-pub-86570

    “…Amid this escalation, experts can spin out an infinite number of branching scenarios on how this might end. But scores of war games conducted for the U.S. and allied governments and my own experience as the U.S. national intelligence officer for Europe suggest that if we boil it down, there are really only two paths toward ending the war: one, continued escalation, potentially across the nuclear threshold; the other, a bitter peace imposed on a defeated Ukraine that will be extremely hard for the United States and many European allies to swallow…”

  5. f_lawless

    ‘Ukraine to get NATO fighter jets’ so says The Times headline.

    This article is painting a different picture, however

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/08/poland-mig-29-ukraine/

    ‘U.S. all-but declines Poland’s offer to give Ukraine its old warplanes

    The move ‘sideswiped’ U.S. and Western officials, who said they were not consulted before Poland’s announcement.

    … Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said that, while all NATO countries have a “green light” to send fighter planes to Ukraine, the United States seeks to avoid directly confronting Russia.’

    God knows what kind of maneuvering is going on behind the scenes. Why would Poland publicly announce the offer without privately consulting the US first? Was it some kind of act of defiance, designed to call the US and NATO leaders’ bluff? Or did the US suddenly get cold feet?

      1. Trustin Judeau

        US and NATO were pressuring Poland to give the jets to Ukraine – so Poland offered them direct to US and washed their hands of it “You can do with these planes as you wish”

        The US chickened out. Theyd rather Poland take the fall against Russia than risk escalation themselves. Thats US foreign policy for you

    1. goldenbrown

      imo its another kite and nothing more

      practically speaking MIG-29 is only a short range aircraft…approx 1400km (likes of an F16 is around 4000km)

      so how do you even insert them (and sustain them) into the “theatre”?

      bar running kamikaze missions out of Poland or wherever I can’t see how it’s possible to use these in the normal sense as things stand

  6. SOQ

    Interestingly- well not really- but if you asked the average person what Russia’s goals actually are, you would get a variation on ‘invade Ukraine’. Even on here, with those who claim to have right on their side (again), I suspect you will not find much signs of life either.

    On Monday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, told Reuters that Russia will stop ‘in a moment’ if Ukraine meets its terms.

    ‘On the issue of neutrality, Peskov said: “They should make amendments to the constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc.”

    He added: “We have also spoken about how they should recognise that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognise that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states. And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.”

    “For the rest. Ukraine is an independent state that will live as it wants, but under conditions of neutrality.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-will-stop-moment-if-ukraine-meets-2022-03-07/

    There is has been no response from Ukraine so far. Zelenskyy is probably too busy on the stage playing Churchill in London. Bravo darling- he is an actor after all. I haven’t seen anyone wear that much Army gear since the Out in the Liffey gay bar in Dublin closed. It’s probably all by Gucci as Hugo Boss would be a bit of a giveaway.

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      I thought Putin was trying to de-nazify Ukraine. Nothing in Putin’s demands about Ukrainian nazis… strange y/n!

      1. SOQ

        That comes under the demilitarisation function I expect. It is highly unlikely they could to be an independent state while your friends are still so engrained into it. They are fiercely anti Russian so there would never be peace.

        Problem is, where do they go to? The UK is already pulling up the drawbridges but the US and Canada has quite a bit of experience in accommodating Nazis- so probably there.

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          You expect? Great analysis. Did you get that from tiktok?

          I suppose the nazis could join their trukkker pals in Canada.

          1. SOQ

            If you were actually following the topic you would know that the word ‘demilitarisation’ is used by the Russians a lot.

            I don’t know why I try to engage with you- because it always ends the same, snide comments attempting to get the upper hand- I’ll not bother anymore.

        2. Verbatim

          They could apply to Argentina – but I imagine most of them couldn’t find it on a map!

    2. Nigel

      Best way to make a country neutral is to invade them. Never fails.

      Putin has said a lot of other stuff about his reasons for invading, that’s why no-one can give a single answer to the question of what his reasons and aims are, so ‘he just wants to invade Ukraine’ is actually a pretty good answer.

    3. paddy apathy

      Why should an independent sovereign country have their constitution written for them by a foreign aggressor?

  7. SOQ

    It’s gone from the sublime to the ridiculous now.

    On Mar 6th, the Ukrainian PM Denys Shmyhal said that state support amounting to 6,500 UAH would be available to: “every employee, every self-employed person whose job was taken away as a result of the war” under their ePidtrymka program.

    The catch? They must be vaccinated- I kid you not. Even in the middle of an invasion by a superpower, they are insisting that everyone takes part in the clottery. Twisted is the only word I can think of to describe that. So much for humanitarian concerns eh?

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1501188008392994816.html

  8. V aka Frilly Keane

    Anyone like me here, like around since the weaning and wobbler years?

    who come in to get the papers, like 1000s of times before
    clicking in on autopilot

    But it now feels like you’ve burst in on a swingers party
    like by accident,

    – kinda the not paying attention and you’ve pulled into the wrong driveway,
    everything looks and feels the same / familiar,
    you recognise some of faces etc
    but the context is totally distorted because they’re all naked and getting it going amongst themselves
    and you realise the carpet is different and you realise what’s happened, and what’s going on between your neighbours all in one gulp

    the wrong gaff but very like your own gaff all the same……. plus all your neighbours hold secret little club get togethers, have this whole different life you knew nothing about or have any interest in

    anyone else?

    1. Johnny

      …I’m up at 5 am stateside most mornings,so it’s an old habit or a bad habit at this point to catch up on Ireland and Irish news,but most days I should just switch Fox on or try Infowars instead the ‘sheet,it’s just a dump of misinformation or paddy Maga land.

        1. Johnny

          About the bake off ?
          (Secretly with the LA one I watched it,but not like a lot :)
          Village no haven’t,they passed weed laws legalizing cultivation in NY,NJ and Ct last year,so it’s non stop.

    2. The Laying Tactic

      All the time love
      What is always constant however is your crushingly boring self-love and concept that you and you alone somehow get to define what the user experience of the website is.

      1. V aka Frilly Keane

        I’m rarely here
        In fact in 2021 I didn’t post here of over half the year

        And if you do an audit
        I’d say my post count over the last 4 years is less than SOQs in the last 6 months

        so maybe find a better way to hide yourself

        1. Ian - oG

          I wouldn’t pay no mind to The Lying Tactit V.

          Back in the day your posts were one of the highlights of this place, sadly it’s all lunatics trying to let us all know how only they are in possession of the mystic trootzs and post thick-thock videos and ooootubb links to PROVE it.

          Sigh….

      2. Johnny

        Is this your first time commenting?
        Long time reader and user just now was inspired to make your their comment,unless it’s another “house” account,I mean talk about self love,how many house accounts you still running ?

    3. bisted

      …I still remember my first banishment to the naughty step…a remark about Mary Harney as I remember…however, I’ve quoted you many times: “their gaff, their rules”…

      1. Verbatim

        It’s time for a 12-step program for commenters of Broadsheet.
        Those who are trying to leave but find that they can’t,
        those who have left but have slipped back in,
        those who do not want to comment but do anyway,
        those who comment on how they haven’t commented in ages,
        those who hoard other people’s comments,
        those who live in regret for the suicides they may or may not have caused others,
        those who think it’s a troll room and throw insults at their fellows (racism included),
        and all others who find it impossible to stop looking at the comments even though they know that they drive them demented.
        A meeting for all commenters who find themselves powerless.
        In the basement of St. Audoen’s Church each Monday at 12 noon.

  9. TenPin Terry

    Fascinating news this morning with the annoucement of the discovery of Shackleton’s ship Endurance 10,000 feet below the waters of the Antarctic.
    Tom Crean was a member of Shackleton’s team during this expedition, and the boat’s sinking culminated in Crean, Shackleton, and Frank Worsley’s heroic trek across South Georgia to reach a whaling station and mount the rescue of 22 men left stranded on Elephant Island. The men were brought home without loss of life.
    A four-mile glacier on South Georgia is named after Crean who died in 1938, but his Annascaul bar, the South Pole Inn, remains open to this day.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/climate/endurance-wreck-found-shackleton.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

    1. The Millie Obnoxious™

      The only two comments worth reading here today. Very interesting links, lads. Thanks.

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