We are not developing biological or chemical weapons inside Ukraine. This is textbook Russian propaganda. pic.twitter.com/STMVozrtK4
— John Kirby (@PentagonPresSec) March 10, 2022
Last night.
Via Reuters:
The United States denied renewed Russian accusations that Washington was operating biowarfare labs in Ukraine, calling the claims “laughable” and suggesting Moscow may be laying the groundwork to use a chemical or biological weapon.
Russia repeated its accusation of several years that the United States is working with Ukrainian laboratories to develop biological weapons. Such assertions in Russian media increased in the run-up to Moscow’s military move into Ukraine and were made as recently as Wednesday by foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova.
“The Russian accusations are absurd, they are laughable and you know, in the words of my Irish Catholic grandfather, a bunch of malarkey. There’s nothing to it. It’s classic Russian propaganda,” Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said on Wednesday.
U.S. dismisses Russian claims of biowarfare labs in Ukraine (Reuters)
Meanwhile…
And it continues to be mystifying how the US Government can issue such emphatic denials about the existence of dangerous biological labs in Ukraine given what Victoria Nuland said yesterday while testifying. Ignoring this makes it disappear domestically, but not in reality. pic.twitter.com/speKmOoMzD
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 10, 2022
Meanwhile…
Tucker Carlson asks why the US isn’t coming clean about funding bio labs in Ukraine with deadly pathogens: “It’s a ridiculous semantic debate.” pic.twitter.com/8yJ3TLMw38
— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) March 10, 2022
Yesterday: Under A Microscope
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Welp. Looks like the groundwork is being laid for Russian chemical attacks. Well done everyone who boosted the bioweapons propaganda.
He wasn’t happy with adding to covid deaths for the past year so this is his new thing. But we’re the brainwashed ones.
One hand they are saying there is no bio labs while on the other, they are saying there is and are concerned about the stuff getting into Russian hands- which is it?
All because Zelenskyy and his handlers will not commit to a position of neutrality. Because if they did- the Russians would be out of there. It’s ridiculous the way this is being spun.
They’re not saying there are no biolabs, they’re saying there are no bioweapons being developed in the biolabs. if you can”t even get that basic stuff right, what hope have you of getting anything right?
Ukraine does not have to be neutral just because Russia demands it. Putin has said he wants Ukraine to be part of his new/old Russian empire, so neutrality is clearly a pretext.
Oh so the story is changing again now is it?
The only thing we know for certain is they were given a couple of days to clear out of those first 6 labs and the buildings were then bombed by Russia.
Whiter something is a specific bio weapon or just a dangerous pathogen is really just splitting hairs. After Wuhan, it is perfectly understandable why people would be suspicious.
The story has not changed at all. Biolabs contain pathogens, that’s why you don’t bomb them. If pathogens vs bioweapons is splitting hairs, then why even claim they were making bioweapons in the first place?
Show us where Putin (that angelic prescence here on mudball earth) says he wants the Ukraine to be part of the (non existant Russian empire). Well written fantasy is still fantasy. Nigel the blind waffles again.
How else is forcing a country to be a neutral buffer through force of arms going to work? Back to being a Soviet Republic for Ukraine!
Sure, Nigel, when you come across labs with five different strains of the Plague, among a shopping list of every deadly pathogen known to humanity, it’s important to figure out why they had those pathogens
I don’t believe for a second that you’re stupid enough to believe whatever the owner of the labs offers as an excuse. Either you are licking Uncle Sam’s ass so devotedly that you can’t see the daylight or you’re being dishonest or at best, disingenuous.
Which is it?
I’m sorry, when did you come across these labs?
Or a false flag operation as they did in Syria.
Yes- it really is looking like that.
Or an actual Russian chemical attack, like Putin did in Syria.
Putin didn’t do a chemical attack in Syria and neither did Assad. The OPCW conducted a full investigation into this and confirmed they definitely didn’t do it.
I’m not a fan of Putin BTW.
https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/news/2020/04/opcw-releases-first-report-investigation-and-identification-team
‘At approximately 6:00 on 24 March 2017, an Su-22 military airplane belonging to the 50th Brigade of the 22nd Air Division of the Syrian Arab Air Force, departing from Shayrat airbase, dropped an M4000 aerial bomb containing sarin in southern Ltamenah, affecting at least 16 persons.
At approximately 15:00 on 25 March 2017, a helicopter of the Syrian Arab Air Force, departing from Hama airbase, dropped a cylinder on the Ltamenah hospital; the cylinder broke into the hospital through its roof, ruptured, and released chlorine, affecting at least 30 persons.
At approximately 6:00 on 30 March 2017, an Su-22 military airplane belonging to the 50th Brigade of the 22nd Air Division of the Syrian Arab Air Force, departing from Shayrat airbase, dropped an M4000 aerial bomb containing sarin in southern Ltamenah, affecting at least 60 persons.’
The 3 whistleblowers from the OPCW said that never happened.
Where’s Putin in this anyway as this is what you said?
So ‘three whistle-blowers’ said it, not the OPCW. Wasn’t Putin supporting Assad at the time? Nice chaps.
Yes, the whistleblowers exposed the corruption and lies from the OPCW. I think the OPCW originally said it never happened and then they changed their story and that’s when the whistleblowers spoke out.
Anyway if Putin and Assad didn’t do those chemical attacks then you can dislike them for other reasons.
Your first claim was wrong why should I believe your second claim?
What are you on about?
I was correct. You were wrong. You just don’t accept whistleblowers exposing the truth.
You said the OCPW said they definitely didn’t do it. Proved wrong you introduced whistle-blowers. All sounds very dodge.
The whistleblowers were the ones who did the investigation for OPCW. They know better than anyone.
Were they? Are you sure? You’ve been wrong before.
I was correct about covid and the digital transformation agenda is still on track – time will tell if I’m wrong.
You were very wrong about covid so maybe you might be wrong here too.
How can you claim to be right about something but also that time will tell?
What was I very wrong about covid?
Covid is a virus and it was nowhere near as deadly as pushed by people like you. I was correct here and you were wrong.
Digital ID pass systems and monetary transformation with CBDCs are the agenda that covid helps pursue. This war with Russia and Ukraine will help this agenda too.
Time will tell if I’m correct about this agenda.
Covid is a virus that is exactly as deadly as its body count suggests.
Digital ids are an emergent factor of our increasingly digital societies. Nobody needed a pandemic to make our societies digital. They were already digital.
Again you have claimed to be right but also that time will tell.
You’re in complete and utter denial about the covid death count. It has obviously been overcounted but no you stay in denial.
You’re far too narrow minded to even begin to comprehend the damage to society that these digital changes will have if allowed to be implemented. Digital can be great but it can also be terrible. You will never understand until it’s too late because you have zero foresight.
No concern about CBDCs either no?
‘Obvious’ doing all the heavy lifting there.
You’re confusing my skepticism about covid being engineered to promote digital ids with acceptance of digital ids as an unalloyed positive. Common sort of mistake you guys make.
Now you’re just telling porkies. It has been well documented that the white helmets attempted to claim a gas attack and whip up a panic. Doctors there stated there were no gas injuries just dust inhalations and some crush iinjuries. Spewing lies again Nige.
It’s been well documented that the White Helmets were subjected to an orchestrated smear campaign to cover up the chemical attacks.
There are labs doing “bio-research” in Ukraine, funded by Us Dept of Defense, with qualifications up to BSL3. That much is widely available and known.
The extent of that research is unknown – what they were funding in those laboratories and why. The swift denial of any US lab presence in Ukraine is unusual alright – you would think they would fully clarify that they fund some research grants and explain what they are, if there was just an innocent explanation. Surely that would do more to deescalate the situation than an outright denial which only serves to highlight the contradicting statements from various US officials and existing press releases about funding to these labs.
The US cannot say anything on this topic that Putin and his supporters will not immediately call a lie, and possibly characterise as ‘unusual,’ as if there was anythintg ‘usual’ about any of this.
Well, it is not a lie to say that this level of activity is so dangerous that it is banned in the US.
It is also not a lie to recognise that Russia views such on its doorstep as being a security threat- which is understandable.
What level of activity? Are you saying there are no biolabs in the US? If they were worried about the biolabs unleashing bioweapons on the Russian army, they probably shouldn’t have bombed them while the Russian army was invading, should they?
Er, the US have at least 4 BSL 4 labs. All of them are in fairly major population centers, The NEIDL in Boston, CDC Atlanta, Ft Dietrick in Maryland is halfway between Baltimore and DC, and UTexas Galveston.
Funny thing about BSL4 labs is that common sense would dictate that you’d put them somewhere remote, but they don’t do that cos the staff who are qualified to work in them actually have a life and don’t want to live in the back of beyonds. Some aspects of security such as the searching at the door is carried out by apparently civilian contractors, but there is a US military security presence at all times.The idea that the US would contract out bioweapons research to a facility that cannot be rapidly protected by large numbers of US troops and anti aircraft capability is laughable.
BSL3 is an entirely different proposition, in Europe there are BSL3 or BSL3 capable labs literally all over the place. While some are essentially permanent BSL3, some facilities only enable BSL3 procedures for short periods of time to cover certain sets of experiments. It means keeping track of the labs can be troublesome. There are also campuses that have multiple BSL3 labs which may cycle between BSL2 and 3 periodically. I’m unable to think of any BSL2 or 3 facility I’m aware of that has not received funds from US DOD/BARDA, BMGF or CEPI, which means basically all of them would be considered as ‘US controlled’ for many people. One thing that is banned in the US is the manipulation of live poliovirus, I don’t recall whether Ukraine applied for a license, I think they did.
Come on Alick, there was a lad on Thick Thock who knows a fella in Michigan whose brother once worked as a cleaner in a CDC facility who heard them talking about protective gear for Ukraine.
Although, the context was them heading off to Scotland to play golf so they might have been talking about UK rain?
Either/or situation here, clearly.
I’ve made the point before that claiming the US put their top-secret bioweapon research facilities not just inside a country threatened by a powerful neightbour, but right next to the hostile neighbour’s border is patently ridiculous.
Don’t tell Putin about Ballina, whatever you do:
https://www.criver.com/eureka/what-bsl-3-lab
“cos the staff who are qualified to work in them actually have a life”
This is the most unbelievable part of Alick’s post. No they don’t – nerds don’t have lives!
“TELL US THE TRUTH ALICK!!!” ;-)
From my experience BSL4 techs have an odd sense of humor. At busy times they run shifts so you may have to step into a recently vacated suit. I collaborated with two particularly large and stout techs who thought it was hilarious to get the suit as sweaty as possible at the end of their shift so that the next guy in would have as uncomfortable a shift as possible.
If Russia takes over Ukraine they will be directly on the boarders of a NATO country (Poland).
So the suggestion that Putin has by saying that it’s a security concern to have Ukraine in the EU or Nato is a lie.
Putin wants to take over Ukraine as he wants to get his Russian Empire back.
Putin has directed the death of at least 10 of his critics and carried out multiple war crimes.
Well paid shill poo talks again. As usual Nigel you never provide any backup for any of your lies. You are transparent to the point of invisibility. Please vanish.
Must be such a pain. If we were in Russia Putin would vanish me for you.
You know, don’t you Nigel? The USA had labs doing deadly research in Europe. You actually know but won’t admit it.
Well, well well.
Sure, the CIA sent me a map with all their deadly research facilities marked on it.
Greenwald is a fraud.
Just stating something without evidence is just wasted words.
squeaky clean America…. doesn’t really wash
That’s the problem isn’t it, we’ve seen how politicians and governments manipulate the media for their own ends and know we are expected to believe them. I for one would take anything any of them say with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Tucker CarLOL, more like.
You’d really have to wonder how anyone could take a man like Tucker Carlson seriously?
You watch him, then, Ian, ANO? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t utter such ludicrous nonsense.
Right now, when anything resembling honesty is rarer than hen’s teeth in an increasingly demented & moronic Legacy Media, Carlson’s been knocking it out of the park. If you actually watch him, you will know this: He’s worth more to the public than the entire rest of the media, including almost everyone on his own channel, who are all useless neo-cons when it comes to US Foreign Policy.
I don’t normally do this but
lol
You could not make this guy up
Thanks Fearganainm for that Ballina link – Charles River were in Bellanaboy/Glenamoy for years but moved out before Shell moved in beside their site.
Don’t suppose Turdridy will ask the Elder Lemon about it tonight, doesn’t suit the hymn sheet.
8 minutes of Cucker Tarlson, a man who has proven in court that he doesn’t report actual facts. https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/greedy-associates/tucker-carlson-successfully-argues-nobody-really-believes-tucker-carlson-is-reporting-facts/
I’d say the vast majority of his viewer, in between snorting crushed oxycodone and not showering, are completely unaware that his show is classed as entertainment.
You have to give it to Reagan, all those years after he drooled his last and his actions are still having such a profound effect. Bless his scummy heart.
I must admit, it would be nice to be able to delude ourselves that there were no bio labs & even if there were, they had no deadly pathogens & even if they did, they were not doing bio-weapon research with them & even if they were, they wouldn’t use bio-weapons & even if they did, they wouldn’t use them on us.
It makes little difference that the narrative Nigel presents is not credible, the problem is that his view is the official stance held by the incompetent goons running our governments & media. The level of self-delusion in our political & media elites has reached unprecedented levels, the media & politicians are so wedded to the official narratives that they long-ago lost touch with reality.
Meanwhile, we’re watching an actor in Ukraine, playing the part of a President, using the same directors & scriptwriters who piloted his hit comedy show, where he also played a president, being reported on by Fake News outlets. How anyone can lend any credence to this amateur hour nonsense is beyond me but the majority of our population literally believes nothing that’s not on TV & everything that is on TV.
Watching these clowns & con-artists, it’s startling to comprehend this fact: That’s us, that is. That’s The West, that is what we are now, a civilization in terminal decline, as cut off from the rest of the planet as we are from reality. The World is turning its back on us, no longer even afraid of the stab in the back that they might’ve expected before. They have long memories in S. America, in Asia, in Russia, in South Africa & they are lining up to trade with Russia & China & each other & to demote the dollar, even as America undermines it, itself.
When the dollar finally goes, the US can cast aside the climate change fake science & pump the oil. Europe has no such option, we are comitting suicide & most of our population are blisfull in their ignorance.
There’s a rude awakening awaiting the Globalists, the Globe doesn’t want you & doesn’t need you, anymore.
China is in the ascendancy. They are run by managerial elites, who’s interest coincides with those of their people. We are run by political elites, who’s anti-democratic dogma favours minorities & who’s obsession is the replacement of their own populations.
Western politics & especially European politics, is a Death Cult, who’s long march is nearing completion.