Preempting the not so fabulous Bucha boys here aka Putra’s polemicists doing his hallow pleadings of fake news later- so I thought I’d post this little takedown of the what Russian propagandist are putting out tonight in a crude attempt to cast doubt of their butchery and war crimes in Bucha – the names of the Russian Nazi’s who were stationed there have already been posted online.
I hope you get double time for sitting there so late with your prepared story tales, waiting until the papers go up?
stephen moran
Judging by yesterdays thread – It is clearly yourself who has the obsession – Imagine wasting your Sunday pumping out the same old jaded tropes – it is your who has the blinkers – maybe you’d do well to take onboard the maxim of John Maynard Keynes that “when the facts change I change my mind, what do you do sir” ? – mind you your beloved Alex Jones still believes Sandy Hook was a false flag – so much winning
SOQ
I do exactly what I enjoy, and what interests me- which is very different to your agenda. That you popped up here as this Ukrainian situation was kicking off, is just a mere conindence of course.
E'Matty
Stephen is total and obvious plant. Only arrived, as you say, when the Ukraine crisis kicked off. Only really comments on stories related to Ukraine. He’s an insufferable goon parroting NATO propaganda.
Broadbag
Preferable to the ”insufferable goons” parroting Kremlin propaganda.
TenPin Terry
One Vowel™ is sound.
He may be as thick as the back of a bull’s ballsack but he’s consistent and erudtite.
You toe-tags are just dull.
The Millie Obnoxious™
I think when you accuse every second person who disagrees with you of being a paid shill, it kind of loses the sting a bit.
Most people are likely not paid shills or plants, they’re just opinionated. And speaking for myself, people are easy to wind up, the internet just makes it easier.
SOQ
At this stage i am pretty certain I can name the paid shills on this site with a fair degree of accuracy- I have worked with enough comms people in my time to know.
That they pretend they are not is part of the course, but that does not mean they should not be called out on it. Especially when they start employing their dirty tricks in order to smear others.
The Millie Obnoxious™
I think by assigning certain commenters as paid shills or conspiracy theorists or having some sort of nefarious agenda, it makes it easier to dismiss the substance of whatever point is being made, especially if it’s a stance you disagree with.
SOQ
But there are paid shills with nefarious agendas- that much is abundantly clear. They are crawling all over social media sites right now- why should that be a surprise?
You can call it a conspiracy if you want but I think it as fairly standard war time response- which most countries have been in for the past two years of course- as most working in the legacy media will tell you, off the record of course.
jonjoker
True Millie, but Moran’s posts generally don’t make a point of any sort, they are a sort of noxious waffle that try to overwhelm whoever he is “engaging” with.
He may not be a paid shill, but if he is, his handlers certainly aren’t getting their money’s worth.
Cato
It’s just part of the course
The Millie Obnoxious™
I’m not calling anything a conspiracy theory, SOQ, nor am I saying that there are no paid shills or no agenda at play. I am implying it is unwise to assign every other opinion you disagree with or dislike as a shill or whatever.
As someone with an interest in critical thinking, I would assume you understand the importance of that.
SOQ
I never said everyone was a paid shill because if they were, I wouldn’t be wasting my time. But we’ve had two years of them and they should be called out because they have no business being here- especially if from foreign countries.
johnny
(you don’t even have a Irish passport,not born here,did not grow up here,have no family here,yet live on or off our social welfare handouts in Tallaght,but yeah its them foreign ones that are bad)
The Millie Obnoxious™
I think you’re being wilfully blind, to be perfectly honest.
SOQ
Wilfully blind to what exactly?
stephen moran
I’m so sorry to have clearly upset your echo chamber circle jerk ecosystem by observing that a lot of the chaps you tend to lionize would place some fairly binding constraints on the liberty you pertain to hold so dearly – therein lies the inherent contradiction of your arguments – maybe HItchens (who takes after his failed dead brother who drank from the ne-cons cup of Zionist Kool-Aid and morphed into a Bush ultra), Galloway, or Varoufakis would like to give up their cushy western numbers and try out the workers paradise of totalitarian Russia first hand.
Broadbag
”critical thinking” in action: Now how to I spin all these dead bodies? Eh…something something Azov, something something biolabs! Question the narrative sheeple!
Grim.
E'Matty
A) we don’t know if a single one of those “bodies” is in fact dead, or if these scenes are completely staged, as we saw in Syria.
B) if they are in fact dead, we do not know how they died.
C) we’re in the middle of the most propagandised war in human history. All such claims should be subject to intensive scrutiny and critical analysis, especially when emanating from the side that is losing heavily.
D) Ukraine is backed by the US led West. There is extensive documented evidence proving the extensive faked videos and false flags of the US and the forces it backs in conflicts. Syria was awash with them.
E) in times of war, claims of barbarity against the enemy have always being made. These are ironically done to cause a population to view the enemy as subhuman. In WW1 the British people were told German soldiers were bayoneting babies and throwing them against walls to kill them. During the Gulf War, we were told Iraqi soldiers were throwing babies from incubators. During the Libyan conflict we were told Libyan soldiers on viagra and other drugs were raping civilians. These were all false claims made by Anglo American propagandists and conveyed as real to our populations in the West.
Nothing tugs at the heart strings and evokes calls of “monsters” than the harming of children, and rightly so. But, it is also when people are quickest to abandon any critical thought and rapidly engage in dehumanisation of the accused. Pop over to the Journal comment section this morning to see how effective these articles have been on their readers.
scottser
it’ll be enough to lose russia it’s position on the un security council, and good enough for them.
i can only imagine the visceral, unending hatred that the people of ukraine now have for russia and the generations of reprisals and attacks that will be unleashed from it. you’ve got to hand it to putin, he sure knows how to create the perfect conditions for terrorism. the kgb taught him well.
scottser
correction, unhrc
jungleman
@eMatty Would be interesting to hear your take on the Holocaust, after reading your above comments.
SOQ
What is grim is the rude and ignorant tone of your comments. If you cannot have a civil debate then it is pretty obvious that you have nothing of substance to say,
Broadbag
Some recent examples of SOQ’s civil debating skills which are not remotely rude or ignorant*:
”a slur from the special needs brigade.”
”here is a message for you pay rolled rodents”
” if there is to be vaccine injuries then it should be to people like you- because you bloody well deserve it.”
”sick of these idiots- they can see no further than the end of their own propaganda fed noses.”
”Put you (sic) money where your big mouth is.”
”Do one you ignorant one handed typer.”
*SOQ doesn’t do self-awareness, or irony, or understand the concept of hypocrisy, but he is a critical thinker. How do we know? Because he tells us every day and often adds TikToks to prove it.
SOQ
This is clearly just a normal average joe commentator- err. with a photographic memory.
Broadbag
The sad thing is these were all gathered (there’s this amazing feature called copy and paste?) in a few mins from a quick scan of the weekend’s newspaper threads, daily evidence of the great debater at work…
Me So Harney
Another day for Bullybag to chase SOQ around..
Broadbag
Like SOQ chasing Nigel around demanding to know where he’s from for multiple days?
Also, I’d say wishing harm on people is far closer to bullying than confronting hypocrites with their own bile, but right on cue it’s cheerleader in chief, Me SOQ Harney.
SOQ
Given that Nigel has been elbowing himself into every conversation on this site attempting to misdirect conversations for months- it is a perfectly reasonable question to ask where he is from. I have been asked it a number of times and have no issue saying I am Irish- what is his?
You are just a rude ill mannered bully whom apart from nit pick other people’s comments, have very little to say- again there is a few of you around here.
Broadbag
It’s not ‘nit picking’ to point out your massive hypocrisy, you’re happy to dole out vile abuse and wish harm on people while pretending you want civil debate, but when you’re called out on it it’s ”bullying”.
SOQ
I do not dole out ‘vile abuse’ darlin- I merely respond to YOU in kind- cause and effect- think about that for minute- and then, go learn something.
No, the abuse listed above was to a variety of posters, but don’t let bothersome facts get in the way of your spin.
As for SOQ-TOK, I’m not clicking any more of your links after that one with the wonky subtitles from the pro-Russian Youtube account.
SOQ
Yeah whatever- Diasy is hardly the height of decent manners either now is she?
Another empty vessel.
Johnny
Oh FFF’s there is a five hour time gap,how many lonely drunken nights have you posted abuse on here,complete with porno links .
Is there a too vile and abusive posts or “off sheet” section,ah gwan bodge, stop cleaning up his sloppy drunken abusive mess.
Broadbag
@Soq: Daisy has the self awareness not to spew bile in one thread while in the next pompously demand that people stop being rude, or pontificate about respectful debate, in fact you sometimes do both in the same thread, ‘darling’.
K.Cavan
The Russian Nazis are called Wotanjugend, they were expelled from Russia & found shelter among the Azovs & now fight for Ukraine. It doesn’t matter how confused & ignorant you are, stephen, we know who’s paying the Nazi’s wages, Messrs Zelensky & Kolomoiskyy.
Twitter is a sewer, if that’s where you get your facts, no wonder your posts stink the place out.
Zaccone
SOQ is going to have to work overtime defending Putin today. Mass graves, hundreds of civilians executed, and growing reports of the wide-scale rape of Ukrainian women.
Sanctions against Russia need to be stepped up, and supply of material to Ukraine increased, to the utmost of Europe’s ability.
SOQ
Yes of course, anyone who applies any level of critical thinking to the one sided propaganda being pumped out MUST be a Putin supporter- no middle ground is tolerated. And it is one sided because the other is banned of course.
Fortunately the funding and support of the Azov Nazis by US imperialism does raise questions in even lazy minds- although in your case, clearly not.
paul
Speaking of lazy, off you run staight back to Azov. Change the record, I don’t think Putin needs another cheerleader.
SOQ
And off we go again- reductionist thinking at its finest- if you are not with US then you must be against US- dissent will not be tolerated.
jungleman
@soq You recently claimed Putin’s invasion was actually to do with him taking out American biolabs that were responsible for Covid. Pretty sure you’re pro-Putin.
K.Cavan
Look at this jungleman idiot, SOQ, he sees the world in simplistic, childlike terms. If you’re not supporting the warmongering maniacs in Uncle Sam’s platoons you must be a Putin supporter. I wonder what he thinks that actually means, maybe he thinks you fly over to Russia to vote for Putin in Presidential elections or stick up posters in the Moscow subway? Who knows, I doubt if he’s thought about what it means before parroting the phrase from some dumbo journalist’s mewling nonsense.
That’s one dim lightbulb.
benblack
Hi K.Cavan.
Can your journalist friend do a deep dive on me like Dolly’s report over on OffG?
Please!
It could never be called doxxing – you’re safe on that front.
E'Matty
Of course Zaccone and the rest of the NATO cheerleading warmongers swallow these stories whole without question. No critical thought applied. Western sources make the claim. The willing fools follow obediently nodding like donkeys.
Mr. T
Iraqis are throwing babies out of incubators and out the hospital windows
Iraqis are raping and murdering innocent people in Kuwait (this one was pushed by testimony from the daughter of US ambassador to kuwait, which was kept secret at the time)
A lot of the footage from Bucha shows dead bodies with white bands around their arms, something which is actually an identifier for Russian aligned troops (red or white bands, Ukrainians wear blue or yellow bands)
Some of the other pictures doing the rounds are older ones from mariupol, a woman with nazi insignias carved into her skin, who was found in basement of an ex-Azov hideout.
But sure the man on the telly told us to start WW3
SOQ
That video of the woman in with the swastika carved into her body was posted on YouTube on Sunday 27th March- could have been the 26th.
K.Cavan
I’ve just watched video footage of SBU troops dragging civilians out of their cars in Dnipropetrovsk & beating them to a bloody pulp, probably for living in a Russian-speaking town, which has been chosen as logistical centre for humanitarian aid efforts & a reception point for people fleeing the war. It was not pleasant viewing & the sound of Ukrainian army boots smashing into someone’s skull is not nice, either.
There is no doubt that appalling things will happen in a war, that’s the nature of war but to claim that only one side will engage in such behaviour is not credible & to use such ridiculous claims as propaganda for creating more death & misery by supplying the losing side with more weaponry, in a conflict that was caused by The West but is otherwise none of our business, is obscene.
The warmongering is reaching fever pitch, the authorities are cynically & simultaneously using the conflict they caused, quite deliberately, in the poorest most corrupt country in Europe, to further dismantle the former Democracies which once comprised The West, destroying the bits of the economy that survived their Covid scam, while their victims, their former citizenry, are distracted by blood-lust.
What turned a relatively well-educated, well-read population into such brain-dead, propaganda-led clowns? It didn’t happen by accident, that’s for sure.
Nigel
‘The warmongering is reaching fever pitch,’
Nazis nazis nazis, they keep chanting, nazis nazis nazis.
jonjoker
No need to defend Putin, he started a war and should be tried for his crimes.
There’s a long line in front of him though, including Bush I, Bush II, Blair, Aznar, Obama, Cameron, Sarkozy … I’m sure I have left some names out.
Let’s deal with them in order, and not single the latest criminal out for special treatment.
SOQ
And that is the point repeatedly made by Afghanistan veteran Joe Glenton below.
It must be really hard on those guys suffering God knows what physical and mental injuries, knowing what they know about the madness of war, to be watching the media whip up this blood hungry war mongering- when some of them don’t even have a home to live in.
Putin started this war, his troops appear to have committed atrocities, yet you make it all sound like the fault of the people reporting on it.
K.Cavan
This war was started by the CIA, overthrowing a democratically-elected government, then, when their puppet couldn’t hold onto power & that government regained power, they illegally overthrew it again. Then US, UK & Canadian operatives from NATO trained & armed 5 battalions of neo-Nazis per year, turning them into actual Nazis & sending them, as the sign outside their training centre illustrated, to the Donbas to slaughter civilians & fight the citizens’ army that had arisen there.
There were so many war crimes committed by The West in Ukraine before Russia even invaded that the narrative being maintained by the MSM & parroted by Nigel was bankrupt from the outset & Nigel’s fact-free, truth-free version of that narrative comprises worthless, opinionated drivel.
You probably know no more about this conflict or it’s history than you did at the start, Nigel & that was less than nothing. I wonder if you could point out Ukraine on a map, if you know any of it’s history, even geography? No, ignorance & ill-informed opinion are your stock-in-trade, everyone can see that.
Nigel
Funny you didn’t mention Putin starting and fueling the conflict in the so-called breakaway areas, using neo-Nazi mercenary groups, speaking of facts and stuff.
K.Cavan
You’re presenting the whole package there, Zaccone. Reports, rumours, stories from the Corporate Media, you swallow it all whole, convinced the world is a superhero movie with Villains and Heroes & that you just happen, by chance, to be on the side of the good guys, a puerile worldview only an empty-headed drone could believe has any relationship to reality.
Then, fired up with the crap the MSM trade in, you beat the war-drums & demand more killing, more death, more weaponry, the extension of a war that Ukraine can never win, even with an army that outnumbered the invading forces 3 to 1.
That’s like watching a dog being taught to sit up, beg and roll over, very amusing.
Good boy! Now…..sit!
stephen moran
Preempting the not so fabulous Bucha boys aka Putra’s polemicists doing his pleadings of fake news so I thought I’d post this little takedown of the what Russian propagandist are putting out tonight in a crude attempt to cast doubt of their butchery and war crimes in Bucha – the names of the Russian Nazi’s who were stationed there have already been posted online.
Rising above the childish name-calling and ad hominem, here’s for the more mature, critical thinkers.
I just watched this live stream by film maker/journalist Gonzalo Lira, the American-Chilean national reporting from Kharkiv, Ukraine where he’d moved to with his family since well before the conflict broke out.
To give a brief summary, in his informed opinion, the Bucha videos don’t pass the smell test and point to a Ukrainian propaganda operation. At the start of the video, he makes reference to his live stream from the previous day when he forensically dissected 4 Ukrainian videos as contrived propaganda (not related to Bucha, but worth a watch too).
He’s dismissive of the earlier speculation by some that, in one particular Bucha video, dead bodies had apparently moved and he explains why it was misguided to think that. However, in his opinion, there are other indications of a propaganda operation: eg. one particular video is shot with high production values: a really high-end camera, reflectors for enhanced lighting, and post production colour enhancement; there’s various other details he goes into which those who are interested can watch for themselves and judge.
But most compelling , I find, is the timeline of events before the videos started to appear:
– The town of Bucha has had internet, social media access the whole time during which Russian forces where there. In those 30 days or so, there were apparently no reports of Russian forces harming the civilians of Bucha.
– On March 30th Russian forces withdrew
– On March 31st the mayor of Bucha made an official announcement that the Russians had gone but he made no mention of the supposed 80 or so dead bodies lying scattered around his town (https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445989-bucha-liberated-from-russian-invaders-mayor.html)
– Nor did he say anything about it on the 1st of April or the 2nd of April which is when Ukrainian forces moved in including the Azov extremists
– Only then do these “pristine, perfectly made videos appear” (as Lira puts it)
As Lira says is it really credible that the mayor of the town wouldn’t be aware of nor think the alleged atrocity worth mentioning in the three day period after the Russians left? I tend to agree with Lira that it sounds highly suspect.
Me So Harney
+1
stephen moran
There are still plenty of holocaust deniers out there as well. Your extreme ant- western animus leaves you totally bound by the kind of confirmation bias that would make a Trotskyist blush. Your inability to see the neo-Czarist imperialism of Putin (despite it being on display daily) is mind boggling. He represents everything you theoretically claim to loathe in almost everyone else.
Me so Harney
“confirmation bias..”
lololololols
From the lad that’s spouted nothing but lies for the past 2 months..
lamentable
Nigel
You’ve said lololol a lot but you haven’t shown a single lie by Stephen.
Me So Harney
Where to start..
Stephen claimed that Russia would be bankrupt by mid February.
Stephen claimed there would be cues for food in Russia.
Stephen claimed oligarchs would take out Putin.
Stephen claimed Putin would beg the EU to release sanctions.
I could go on and on, but you get the picture..
Waffler
Nigel
So, no lies.
stephen moran
I said no such thing btw – I said they would get bogged down in an insurgency which they would withdraw from with their tail between their legs like the allies in Iraq and Afghanistan as Russia simply doesn’t have the manpower to sustain an occupation let alone fight a successful COIN. Regarding the sanctions I said it would be a battle of wills which the west will win before the onset of winter as it takes time for Russian stockpiles to erode.
Given you can’t even grasp basic accounting re Gazprom swapping $ / € for rubles to remit to Russia I’m not surprised your confused.
E'Matty
Can you please point us to where Russia ever stated any intention to occupy all of Ukraine Stephen?
Sanctions battle of wills? Well, even the NATO countries leaders are now saying the sanctions are not working. Of course, they wish to use that to encourage support for more direct military action but quite clearly the sanctions are not having the supposed desired effect. The rouble back up in value. Russia coining it with high oil and gas prices and no real reduction in supply. A few oligarchs are in the process of being bankrupted. There’ll be short term shortages of certain goods inside Russia pending a filling of that vacuum from the East. Russia still hold the oil and gas supply card over Europe.
bisted
…you must be running out of ammo when you invoke the holocaust…it’s historical fact that the Red Army liberated, by far, the most nazi extermination camps…including, the infamous Auzswitz and Treblinka…the worst excesses of the nazis were suffered by the Russians and no message is more powerful than denazifaction…
Nigel
They committed plenty of war crimes in the process, they must have thought it would provide cover for more this time round with the credulous.
bisted
…no one stretches credulity round here like you Nigel…you were apoplectic with rage here when Trump encouraged his nazi mob to march on the Capitol in denial of a democratic mandate but silent when the CIA fomented regime change against the democratically elected government in Ukraine using the same method…but, yeah, good guys…
The Russians have plenty of form – but denial denial and of course its always someone else fault – oh I love the smell of victimhood in the morning – blame the rape victim for the way she’s dressed stuff etc etc.
SOQ
Like everyone else, f_lawless has biases, but to call them extreme is just smearing. All one has to do is glance at this morning’s front pages to see that we are in a war- a propaganda war- and there is only one side is to be heard, all screaming WAR !
We have already had two years of this and anyone who was paying attention at all will recognise the same patterns now. Especially from those with a paid agenda who’s job it is to ensure their ‘message’ is the only one to get through- even on here.
Joe Glenton is former defence journalist. He was a British soldier for six years, serving in Afghanistan. He takes what I think is a very balanced view, so he’s clearly a Putin shill- I mean, what else could he be?
‘and there is only one side is to be heard, all screaming WAR !’
War crimes. They’re screaming about war crimes.
Kali
When you’ve no argument to make just shout nazi or holocaust. You’ve been riled on this site Stephen. Time to start using a different username
Me So Harney
@ Kali..
Its last username was Bitnboxy..
It used to chase SOQ and GiggidyGoo around incessantly.
SOQ
Ah ok thanks- he’s under a 2-3 others too by the looks of it.
stephen moran
Oh yeh I’m like Moriarty ! I have only ever had one log on here – which is under my real moniker and have been contributing to the weekly Friday music thingy for years FYI. I’ve zero agenda – I just like pointing out the internal contradictions in many of the arguments here – if you claim to be a true libertarian well at least be consistent in the application of that ethos and not just when it suits your extremist animus.
Mr. T
Exactly – even the slightest bit of critical thinking makes this whole thing fall flat.
They have internet connectivity, everyone in the town does. That infrastructure (like most) has not been harmed.
And yet not a word about any of this until the Ukrainian army returned? Were the citizens of Bucha somehow unaware of the genocide of over 200 people, mass graves being dug and filled in the town, and bodies strewn across the roads?
Daisy Chainsaw
Coach Red Pill FTW!
Fearganainm
Gonzalo Lira? This Gonzalo Lira?
“He peddled sexist bile and toxic relationship advice within a subculture populated by men’s rights activists and incels—while living in Ukraine. Then the invasion started”
How a sleazy American dating coach became a pro-Putin shill in Ukraine:
“…And he has accused people who contradict his assessments of being idiots or paid shills…”
jungleman
“…And he has accused people who contradict his assessments of being idiots or paid shills…”
Straight out of soq’s playbook.
K.Cavan
Agreed, flawless, I’ve been subscribed to his channel on Telegram for weeks & he’s been constantly informative & honest in his assessments. His repudiation of his own previous debunking of the video was a sign of honesty but even a cursory viewing made one suspicious of the way the bodies were laid out, neatly, as if in a coffin, post rigor mortis & positioned on the road, in a left/right/left pattern, so a jeep could zigzag down the road while avoiding them, was suspiciously staged-looking.
I may be entirely wrong, I just don’t know but it looked as fake as Zelensky, from the off.
He’s already supplied convincing evidence of two Ukrainian videos, one of a guy who ”single-handedly destroyed four Russian tanks” & the other of a ”female soldier”, having been shot in the same location, while being claimed to be in different areas.
“Putin reportedly said payments could be made in euros and transferred to Gazprom bank, which would convert the money into roubles.”
Pay up suckers..
Nigel
So…they’re paying in Euros just like you predicted?
stephen moran
which is exactly what I said was going to happen last week- so clearly someone is posting stories that prove the opposite of what they are trying argue – could it be they don’t understand what they are reading ? Perish the thought
Me So Harney
Paying in euros to Gazprom. Who are sanction free.
stephen moran
that why they left them sanction free to use them as a bank – join the dots
SOQ
The claimed reason for the shift was because western accounts had been frozen after the gas was delivered- so shifting to roubles was about the bank used as much as the currency.
But they are most definately paying in roubles because it is the energy recipient who owns the bank accounts and who instructs the transfers between, not the Russian state.
stephen moran
They are NOT. They are paying in € . They have no access to Rubles. Where is that mount of Rubles going to come from ? Is Russia going to expand the money supply and cause hyperinflation ? The head of the Bank of Russia is highly respected internationally and one of the few sensible ones left in Russia and she knows this equation. Th west is using Gazprom as a derivative house to back to back the trades.
SOQ
The recipient owns the bank accounts- nobody else.
They instruct the money into the Euro account, they instruct the transfer to the Rouble account, and they instruct the payment to the Russian government. They can, I expect, reverse the first two of three transactions at any time so they are most definately paying in Roubles.
Whether the Russians start behaving like the western banks and freezing assets remains to be seen, but as long as they are getting paid, they have no real reason to do so.
i luv it when you talk banking,oh yeah more more ….
goldenbrown
LOL
ah lads what is this place?
it can’t be viable in any normal way
I don’t think it’s some lads hobby
or something struggling thru tough times
its been around a fair while
with seemingly former glory days
hints of bellingcat-esque open source mag
rooting out political dirt and important local suss
a very useful engine for those who give a fupp
but now?
just looking more and more like just another weirdo pit
scattered rubbish gathering in the ditches of d’internet
have to question broadsheets M.O.
it doesn’t seem make any sense really
best of luck to ye in your real lives anyway
Cato
But why do we keep returning, I suppose a burning car is a spectacle.
K.Cavan
The Evening Heggald & the journal are awaiting your arrival, goldenbrown. The opinions expressed here are obviously too far removed from the approved narrative & that’s bothering you. Don’t let it bother you, seek reassurance in the arms of the MSM, trust them to tell you all you need to know, then you can sleep soundly & dream all you like.
SailorGerry
Looks like a propaganda video to me, not very convincing.
I have seen too many white helmet theatre productions to buy anything at face value.
The Russians are winning on the ground and there is no reason for random massacres or chemical weapons to be used.
I do feel sadness for the poor people murdered just for the cameras, and I feel the same for the poor Syrians that were also murdered for false flags over there.
Me so Harney
+1 SG
Nigel
‘there is no reason’
What do you call this? There’s no reason for it to happen, yet it clearly happened, therefore it can’t have happened, yet it did happen, therefore it’s fake.
Me So Harney
“Yet it clearly happened..”
Yeah a week after the Russians had actually left..
Nigel
Hence the decomposition.
K.Cavan
What decomposition? The bodies were laid out straight from head to toe, in a way that nobody who’s been shot actually falls. I’ve seen some horrific pics & videos, corpses piled in alleyways, surrounded by Russian ration boxes, a Russian soldier sitting up against a wall with the top of his head caved in with a blunt object, that video was by a long way, the least convincing thing I’ve seen. That’s probably because it’s fake.
Nevertheless it could be real. The pics in the alleyway & the dead Russian soldier definitely were far more convincing, as were every other horrific image I’ve seen but they were all alleged to be committed by Azovs & well, Nazis wouldn’t do atrocities, would they, Nigel?
Well, not the ones you support.
Tarfton Clax
This site is now almost entirely worthless. A shame as it used to be good. The Friday Music good vibes no longer make up for the shocking mess that is the daily papers. There are a number of posters on this site who appear to have lost all sense of proportion, rationality and compassion.
It’s like being stuck on a bus or the Luas with a pile of screaming incoherent addled individuals all roaring at the same time, and noone actually listening to anyone else any more.
I’m pretty sure that most, if not all people on this site are decent human beings who have actual lives and people they love and who love them. But the level of vitriol and irrationality that is spewed here on a daily basis (by a small cadre of the same voices) must surely eventually bleed into their actual lives with unpleasant consequences for thiose around them as well as themselves.
It would probably be a good idea for some people who post here multiple times a day every day to try to spend even one day a week offline, or go for a walk in a park. Walk a dog, (preferably your own), go for a coffee with a friend, help out in a charity shop (if you have the time) The Internet will still be here when you come back.
Just an observation.
Lizzie Borden
+1
The Millie Obnoxious™
Well observed indeed TC. You put it far more eloquently than I could.
paul
+1
K.Cavan
Well, you’re entitled to your own opinion, Tarfton. Maybe you’re wrong, though. You do you.
Just an observation, also. Thanks for your concern.
SailorGerry
Looks like Ukrainians killing injured Russians, if the article below is taken at face value.
Time will tell what happened in Bucha I guess, but it looks false flag to me.
BBC News has edited an article about endometriosis to replace the word “people” with the word “women” and remove the phrase “who are assigned female at birth”.
The BBC said the edits were intended to “make it clearer to the audience how the condition affects women”
It’s a jungle out there!
K.Cavan
All very good, the BBC using the word ”woman” correctly but still not really worth a medal.
Now, if they could answer the question ”what is a woman?” we’d be suckin’ diesel.
Unfortunately, that’s now beyond even prospective US Supreme Court Judges, perhaps even biologists are unable to pin down this scientific mystery.
And that, like it or not, is a Problem.
f_lawless
I think this is an important article that cuts through the atrocity propaganda we’re being bombarded with on a daily basis.
It covers Bucha but most notable is the testimony of the Mariupol blogger, now mother, who was photoed at the maternity hospital. While some of the initial claims about her by Russian authorities appear to have been wrong, she gives an account of how Ukrainian forces did indeed take over hospital facilities to use as a military base. She was clear then and now that no airstrike occurred where she was and says this was the consensus of those around her at the time. The same AP reporters who took her photo also interviewed her and she told them she was sure there was no airstrike, yet her words were never reported on. She has searched online for that interview but there’s no sign of it
I’m confused.
Why are they saying both “there was no attack on the hospital” and “the hospital was taken over by the Ukrainian military.” it seem like if should be one or the other (“it never happened” or “it was a legitimate target”)
And that article is spouting pure Russian propaganda: What’s more, Russia has virtually eliminated Ukraine’s fighting and logistics capabilities in much of the country, including its entire navy, air force, air defenses, radar systems, military production and repairs facilities, and most fuel and ammunition depots, leaving Kiev unable to transport large numbers of troops between different fronts, and consigning what forces remain in the east to encirclement and almost inevitable defeat.
SOQ
Why would the Ukrainian army need to attack the hospital before taking it over?
What you claim to be Russian propaganda is exactly what military experts like Col. Douglas Macgregor are saying btw.
paul
do you need to attack something to take it over? Major triage centre, medical supplies, centre of infrastructure, backup power supplies; in an awful way, it sounds like a perfect spot for an emergency military base.
f_lawless
I can see that you’re confused Cian. Citing quotes that don’t exist in the article: (eg “there was no attack on the hospital”) and coming up with a false dichotomy of your own ((“it never happened” or “it was a legitimate target”) all in the first paragraph.
According to the eye witness testimony, she, and the people she was with heard two explosions going off outside the hospital. After the second one, there was a shock wave and, quote, “After the second explosion we got evacuated to the basement.We proceeded to discuss whether it was an airstrike. They said it was no airstrike. So our opinion got confirmed. We didn’t hear the airplane, they didn’t hear it either. They told us it was a shell. After the first two explosions there were no other explosions.”
She gave an interview to the AP reporter who had taken her photo stating to him that it wasn’t an airstrike and yet her testimony was never used. Instead, all across western media the narrative was straight away: “Russian targets maternity hospital in airstrike” with her photo plastered across the front pages.
She says that she and the others only stayed down in the basement for “5-10″ minutes and yet when they emerged, the AP photographer in military gear was already there taking photos. She says she thinks they were there “from the beginning”.
We can’t know what happened for sure but I think it’s fairly well established that the reporter(s) and media outlets were indulging in propaganda by omitting her testimony and asserting that a Russian airstrike had occurred. The question of who fired the shells and what was the intended target is unclear . However, considering the dishonest reporting blaming Russia for an airstrike and the rapidity at which the reporter was on the scene to get photos, to my mind there’s a suspicion that it was a planned false flag event.
K.Cavan
The thing is flawless, she turned up in another video, collecting a loaf of bread being handed out by someone in uniform, from the back of a truck. Now, it’s entirely possible that in a country with a population of 41 million & an area of 233,000 Sq miles, it’s just a coincidence but it’s a hell of a coincidence.
Fearganainm
Fake nun banned from Belfast monastery after eccentric behaviour
“…Two weeks ago Mulcahy caused a commotion outside the GPO in Dublin as she danced frantically to religious music…”
SOQ
Yes she usually performs her religious ‘art’ in Cornmarket in Belfast- from Lisburn I believe.
I assumed she was actually one of those dissident NUNS- the Continuity NUNS or the Real NUNS or something.
Poor dear could catch her death writing around on the pavement in the wet winter months mind- she does get a bit carried away.
SOQ
Greek Railway Workers Refuse to Transport NATO Tanks Toward Ukraine
“We, the railway workers, work to provide affordable and quality transportation to the people and for the transport of goods which can be used to meet their needs, not to become part of the country’s involvement in plans which are dangerous for the people, by transporting NATO material to areas near Ukraine. We will not be accomplices in the passage of the war machine through the territory of our country,” the statement added.
Ah the IPCC, favoured NGO of the ignoramus class. Speaking of which, they’re awfully loud the said ignoramus’ – empty vessels making the most noise (you).
Nigel
Cimate change is going to be making a lot of noise going forward.
Verbatim
Oh jeez, I can hear you revving up the machine already! Not sure there’s anything left in life that I find more boring.
Nigel
I don’t care if you find it boring. I get narked with people who claim it isn’t real.
Mad
Hahaha
Let’s run it up the flagpole
K.Cavan
I actually read that comment by Nigel, initially, as ”I get naked with people who claim it isn’t real”. Which almost convinced me to change over to the fictitious side of this argument, it’s just they’ve been wrong, wrong, and wrong again, so many times.
Did you know the board of Greenpeace sacked their last remaining climate scientist, one of their founding members, a good few years ago?
The Ecology movement was initially a bunch of people who, like me, are in touch with Nature & were concerned about multiple problems on our beautiful Planet. Initially apolitical, within a decade unfortunately, it was taken over by The Left, as a weapon they could use against Capitalism. The Lefties were then taken out & replaced by representatives of lunatics like Gates & his Oligarch ilk & all the multiple problems vanished, leaving only the one that Oligarchs could make truckloads of cash from. Chimate Clange, as Joe Biden calls it.
The concept of Carbon Zero is a zinger, because it’s not Carbon Zero, it’s NET Carbon Zero, which is a whole ‘nother thing. The Carbon Capture mega-factory that Gates wants to build is as insane as crazy can get but it will be Net Carbon Zero, eventually, as well as being as sound an investment as his Pharma Shares.
Maybe he’s just smart, eh?
K.Cavan
Well, the thing is Nigel, they told us twenty years ago that by now, 2022, Britain’s climate would be ”Siberian” and multiple European capital cities would be under constant flood warnings. Yeah, that’s not happening is it. I suppose Chicken Licken/Henny Penny was a one-trick pony, what else could she do to earn a crust but go around, claiming the sky was falling down.
There’s a lot of folks in the climate change disaster industry, too. Good money, I hear.
So good it’s worth another post vlad lovers…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtZUeHmpV6A
Preempting the not so fabulous Bucha boys here aka Putra’s polemicists doing his hallow pleadings of fake news later- so I thought I’d post this little takedown of the what Russian propagandist are putting out tonight in a crude attempt to cast doubt of their butchery and war crimes in Bucha – the names of the Russian Nazi’s who were stationed there have already been posted online.
https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1510695095703646212
The Savile protecting BBC..
LOLOLOLOLOLOLS..
Resident waffler..
I hope you get double time for sitting there so late with your prepared story tales, waiting until the papers go up?
Judging by yesterdays thread – It is clearly yourself who has the obsession – Imagine wasting your Sunday pumping out the same old jaded tropes – it is your who has the blinkers – maybe you’d do well to take onboard the maxim of John Maynard Keynes that “when the facts change I change my mind, what do you do sir” ? – mind you your beloved Alex Jones still believes Sandy Hook was a false flag – so much winning
I do exactly what I enjoy, and what interests me- which is very different to your agenda. That you popped up here as this Ukrainian situation was kicking off, is just a mere conindence of course.
Stephen is total and obvious plant. Only arrived, as you say, when the Ukraine crisis kicked off. Only really comments on stories related to Ukraine. He’s an insufferable goon parroting NATO propaganda.
Preferable to the ”insufferable goons” parroting Kremlin propaganda.
One Vowel™ is sound.
He may be as thick as the back of a bull’s ballsack but he’s consistent and erudtite.
You toe-tags are just dull.
I think when you accuse every second person who disagrees with you of being a paid shill, it kind of loses the sting a bit.
Most people are likely not paid shills or plants, they’re just opinionated. And speaking for myself, people are easy to wind up, the internet just makes it easier.
At this stage i am pretty certain I can name the paid shills on this site with a fair degree of accuracy- I have worked with enough comms people in my time to know.
That they pretend they are not is part of the course, but that does not mean they should not be called out on it. Especially when they start employing their dirty tricks in order to smear others.
I think by assigning certain commenters as paid shills or conspiracy theorists or having some sort of nefarious agenda, it makes it easier to dismiss the substance of whatever point is being made, especially if it’s a stance you disagree with.
But there are paid shills with nefarious agendas- that much is abundantly clear. They are crawling all over social media sites right now- why should that be a surprise?
You can call it a conspiracy if you want but I think it as fairly standard war time response- which most countries have been in for the past two years of course- as most working in the legacy media will tell you, off the record of course.
True Millie, but Moran’s posts generally don’t make a point of any sort, they are a sort of noxious waffle that try to overwhelm whoever he is “engaging” with.
He may not be a paid shill, but if he is, his handlers certainly aren’t getting their money’s worth.
It’s just part of the course
I’m not calling anything a conspiracy theory, SOQ, nor am I saying that there are no paid shills or no agenda at play. I am implying it is unwise to assign every other opinion you disagree with or dislike as a shill or whatever.
As someone with an interest in critical thinking, I would assume you understand the importance of that.
I never said everyone was a paid shill because if they were, I wouldn’t be wasting my time. But we’ve had two years of them and they should be called out because they have no business being here- especially if from foreign countries.
(you don’t even have a Irish passport,not born here,did not grow up here,have no family here,yet live on or off our social welfare handouts in Tallaght,but yeah its them foreign ones that are bad)
I think you’re being wilfully blind, to be perfectly honest.
Wilfully blind to what exactly?
I’m so sorry to have clearly upset your echo chamber circle jerk ecosystem by observing that a lot of the chaps you tend to lionize would place some fairly binding constraints on the liberty you pertain to hold so dearly – therein lies the inherent contradiction of your arguments – maybe HItchens (who takes after his failed dead brother who drank from the ne-cons cup of Zionist Kool-Aid and morphed into a Bush ultra), Galloway, or Varoufakis would like to give up their cushy western numbers and try out the workers paradise of totalitarian Russia first hand.
”critical thinking” in action: Now how to I spin all these dead bodies? Eh…something something Azov, something something biolabs! Question the narrative sheeple!
Grim.
A) we don’t know if a single one of those “bodies” is in fact dead, or if these scenes are completely staged, as we saw in Syria.
B) if they are in fact dead, we do not know how they died.
C) we’re in the middle of the most propagandised war in human history. All such claims should be subject to intensive scrutiny and critical analysis, especially when emanating from the side that is losing heavily.
D) Ukraine is backed by the US led West. There is extensive documented evidence proving the extensive faked videos and false flags of the US and the forces it backs in conflicts. Syria was awash with them.
E) in times of war, claims of barbarity against the enemy have always being made. These are ironically done to cause a population to view the enemy as subhuman. In WW1 the British people were told German soldiers were bayoneting babies and throwing them against walls to kill them. During the Gulf War, we were told Iraqi soldiers were throwing babies from incubators. During the Libyan conflict we were told Libyan soldiers on viagra and other drugs were raping civilians. These were all false claims made by Anglo American propagandists and conveyed as real to our populations in the West.
Here’s the latest lurid piece on Western media.
‘Every kindergarten is a grave’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mariupol-ukraine-putin-war-russia-b2049667.html
Nothing tugs at the heart strings and evokes calls of “monsters” than the harming of children, and rightly so. But, it is also when people are quickest to abandon any critical thought and rapidly engage in dehumanisation of the accused. Pop over to the Journal comment section this morning to see how effective these articles have been on their readers.
it’ll be enough to lose russia it’s position on the un security council, and good enough for them.
i can only imagine the visceral, unending hatred that the people of ukraine now have for russia and the generations of reprisals and attacks that will be unleashed from it. you’ve got to hand it to putin, he sure knows how to create the perfect conditions for terrorism. the kgb taught him well.
correction, unhrc
@eMatty Would be interesting to hear your take on the Holocaust, after reading your above comments.
What is grim is the rude and ignorant tone of your comments. If you cannot have a civil debate then it is pretty obvious that you have nothing of substance to say,
Some recent examples of SOQ’s civil debating skills which are not remotely rude or ignorant*:
”a slur from the special needs brigade.”
”here is a message for you pay rolled rodents”
” if there is to be vaccine injuries then it should be to people like you- because you bloody well deserve it.”
”sick of these idiots- they can see no further than the end of their own propaganda fed noses.”
”Put you (sic) money where your big mouth is.”
”Do one you ignorant one handed typer.”
*SOQ doesn’t do self-awareness, or irony, or understand the concept of hypocrisy, but he is a critical thinker. How do we know? Because he tells us every day and often adds TikToks to prove it.
This is clearly just a normal average joe commentator- err. with a photographic memory.
The sad thing is these were all gathered (there’s this amazing feature called copy and paste?) in a few mins from a quick scan of the weekend’s newspaper threads, daily evidence of the great debater at work…
Another day for Bullybag to chase SOQ around..
Like SOQ chasing Nigel around demanding to know where he’s from for multiple days?
Also, I’d say wishing harm on people is far closer to bullying than confronting hypocrites with their own bile, but right on cue it’s cheerleader in chief, Me SOQ Harney.
Given that Nigel has been elbowing himself into every conversation on this site attempting to misdirect conversations for months- it is a perfectly reasonable question to ask where he is from. I have been asked it a number of times and have no issue saying I am Irish- what is his?
You are just a rude ill mannered bully whom apart from nit pick other people’s comments, have very little to say- again there is a few of you around here.
It’s not ‘nit picking’ to point out your massive hypocrisy, you’re happy to dole out vile abuse and wish harm on people while pretending you want civil debate, but when you’re called out on it it’s ”bullying”.
I do not dole out ‘vile abuse’ darlin- I merely respond to YOU in kind- cause and effect- think about that for minute- and then, go learn something.
https://www.tiktok.com/@thisissavvy/video/7079895028847660334
No, the abuse listed above was to a variety of posters, but don’t let bothersome facts get in the way of your spin.
As for SOQ-TOK, I’m not clicking any more of your links after that one with the wonky subtitles from the pro-Russian Youtube account.
Yeah whatever- Diasy is hardly the height of decent manners either now is she?
Another empty vessel.
Oh FFF’s there is a five hour time gap,how many lonely drunken nights have you posted abuse on here,complete with porno links .
Is there a too vile and abusive posts or “off sheet” section,ah gwan bodge, stop cleaning up his sloppy drunken abusive mess.
@Soq: Daisy has the self awareness not to spew bile in one thread while in the next pompously demand that people stop being rude, or pontificate about respectful debate, in fact you sometimes do both in the same thread, ‘darling’.
The Russian Nazis are called Wotanjugend, they were expelled from Russia & found shelter among the Azovs & now fight for Ukraine. It doesn’t matter how confused & ignorant you are, stephen, we know who’s paying the Nazi’s wages, Messrs Zelensky & Kolomoiskyy.
Twitter is a sewer, if that’s where you get your facts, no wonder your posts stink the place out.
SOQ is going to have to work overtime defending Putin today. Mass graves, hundreds of civilians executed, and growing reports of the wide-scale rape of Ukrainian women.
Sanctions against Russia need to be stepped up, and supply of material to Ukraine increased, to the utmost of Europe’s ability.
Yes of course, anyone who applies any level of critical thinking to the one sided propaganda being pumped out MUST be a Putin supporter- no middle ground is tolerated. And it is one sided because the other is banned of course.
Fortunately the funding and support of the Azov Nazis by US imperialism does raise questions in even lazy minds- although in your case, clearly not.
Speaking of lazy, off you run staight back to Azov. Change the record, I don’t think Putin needs another cheerleader.
And off we go again- reductionist thinking at its finest- if you are not with US then you must be against US- dissent will not be tolerated.
@soq You recently claimed Putin’s invasion was actually to do with him taking out American biolabs that were responsible for Covid. Pretty sure you’re pro-Putin.
Look at this jungleman idiot, SOQ, he sees the world in simplistic, childlike terms. If you’re not supporting the warmongering maniacs in Uncle Sam’s platoons you must be a Putin supporter. I wonder what he thinks that actually means, maybe he thinks you fly over to Russia to vote for Putin in Presidential elections or stick up posters in the Moscow subway? Who knows, I doubt if he’s thought about what it means before parroting the phrase from some dumbo journalist’s mewling nonsense.
That’s one dim lightbulb.
Hi K.Cavan.
Can your journalist friend do a deep dive on me like Dolly’s report over on OffG?
Please!
It could never be called doxxing – you’re safe on that front.
Of course Zaccone and the rest of the NATO cheerleading warmongers swallow these stories whole without question. No critical thought applied. Western sources make the claim. The willing fools follow obediently nodding like donkeys.
Iraqis are throwing babies out of incubators and out the hospital windows
Iraqis are raping and murdering innocent people in Kuwait (this one was pushed by testimony from the daughter of US ambassador to kuwait, which was kept secret at the time)
A lot of the footage from Bucha shows dead bodies with white bands around their arms, something which is actually an identifier for Russian aligned troops (red or white bands, Ukrainians wear blue or yellow bands)
Some of the other pictures doing the rounds are older ones from mariupol, a woman with nazi insignias carved into her skin, who was found in basement of an ex-Azov hideout.
But sure the man on the telly told us to start WW3
That video of the woman in with the swastika carved into her body was posted on YouTube on Sunday 27th March- could have been the 26th.
I’ve just watched video footage of SBU troops dragging civilians out of their cars in Dnipropetrovsk & beating them to a bloody pulp, probably for living in a Russian-speaking town, which has been chosen as logistical centre for humanitarian aid efforts & a reception point for people fleeing the war. It was not pleasant viewing & the sound of Ukrainian army boots smashing into someone’s skull is not nice, either.
There is no doubt that appalling things will happen in a war, that’s the nature of war but to claim that only one side will engage in such behaviour is not credible & to use such ridiculous claims as propaganda for creating more death & misery by supplying the losing side with more weaponry, in a conflict that was caused by The West but is otherwise none of our business, is obscene.
The warmongering is reaching fever pitch, the authorities are cynically & simultaneously using the conflict they caused, quite deliberately, in the poorest most corrupt country in Europe, to further dismantle the former Democracies which once comprised The West, destroying the bits of the economy that survived their Covid scam, while their victims, their former citizenry, are distracted by blood-lust.
What turned a relatively well-educated, well-read population into such brain-dead, propaganda-led clowns? It didn’t happen by accident, that’s for sure.
‘The warmongering is reaching fever pitch,’
Nazis nazis nazis, they keep chanting, nazis nazis nazis.
No need to defend Putin, he started a war and should be tried for his crimes.
There’s a long line in front of him though, including Bush I, Bush II, Blair, Aznar, Obama, Cameron, Sarkozy … I’m sure I have left some names out.
Let’s deal with them in order, and not single the latest criminal out for special treatment.
And that is the point repeatedly made by Afghanistan veteran Joe Glenton below.
It must be really hard on those guys suffering God knows what physical and mental injuries, knowing what they know about the madness of war, to be watching the media whip up this blood hungry war mongering- when some of them don’t even have a home to live in.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2022/04/03/mondays-papers-123/#comment-2415865
‘this blood hungry war mongering-‘
Putin started this war, his troops appear to have committed atrocities, yet you make it all sound like the fault of the people reporting on it.
This war was started by the CIA, overthrowing a democratically-elected government, then, when their puppet couldn’t hold onto power & that government regained power, they illegally overthrew it again. Then US, UK & Canadian operatives from NATO trained & armed 5 battalions of neo-Nazis per year, turning them into actual Nazis & sending them, as the sign outside their training centre illustrated, to the Donbas to slaughter civilians & fight the citizens’ army that had arisen there.
There were so many war crimes committed by The West in Ukraine before Russia even invaded that the narrative being maintained by the MSM & parroted by Nigel was bankrupt from the outset & Nigel’s fact-free, truth-free version of that narrative comprises worthless, opinionated drivel.
You probably know no more about this conflict or it’s history than you did at the start, Nigel & that was less than nothing. I wonder if you could point out Ukraine on a map, if you know any of it’s history, even geography? No, ignorance & ill-informed opinion are your stock-in-trade, everyone can see that.
Funny you didn’t mention Putin starting and fueling the conflict in the so-called breakaway areas, using neo-Nazi mercenary groups, speaking of facts and stuff.
You’re presenting the whole package there, Zaccone. Reports, rumours, stories from the Corporate Media, you swallow it all whole, convinced the world is a superhero movie with Villains and Heroes & that you just happen, by chance, to be on the side of the good guys, a puerile worldview only an empty-headed drone could believe has any relationship to reality.
Then, fired up with the crap the MSM trade in, you beat the war-drums & demand more killing, more death, more weaponry, the extension of a war that Ukraine can never win, even with an army that outnumbered the invading forces 3 to 1.
That’s like watching a dog being taught to sit up, beg and roll over, very amusing.
Good boy! Now…..sit!
Preempting the not so fabulous Bucha boys aka Putra’s polemicists doing his pleadings of fake news so I thought I’d post this little takedown of the what Russian propagandist are putting out tonight in a crude attempt to cast doubt of their butchery and war crimes in Bucha – the names of the Russian Nazi’s who were stationed there have already been posted online.
https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1510695095703646212
takedown from the Savile protecting BBC..
lame
Rising above the childish name-calling and ad hominem, here’s for the more mature, critical thinkers.
I just watched this live stream by film maker/journalist Gonzalo Lira, the American-Chilean national reporting from Kharkiv, Ukraine where he’d moved to with his family since well before the conflict broke out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0qcv4bYPlo
To give a brief summary, in his informed opinion, the Bucha videos don’t pass the smell test and point to a Ukrainian propaganda operation. At the start of the video, he makes reference to his live stream from the previous day when he forensically dissected 4 Ukrainian videos as contrived propaganda (not related to Bucha, but worth a watch too).
He’s dismissive of the earlier speculation by some that, in one particular Bucha video, dead bodies had apparently moved and he explains why it was misguided to think that. However, in his opinion, there are other indications of a propaganda operation: eg. one particular video is shot with high production values: a really high-end camera, reflectors for enhanced lighting, and post production colour enhancement; there’s various other details he goes into which those who are interested can watch for themselves and judge.
But most compelling , I find, is the timeline of events before the videos started to appear:
– The town of Bucha has had internet, social media access the whole time during which Russian forces where there. In those 30 days or so, there were apparently no reports of Russian forces harming the civilians of Bucha.
– On March 30th Russian forces withdrew
– On March 31st the mayor of Bucha made an official announcement that the Russians had gone but he made no mention of the supposed 80 or so dead bodies lying scattered around his town (https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445989-bucha-liberated-from-russian-invaders-mayor.html)
– Nor did he say anything about it on the 1st of April or the 2nd of April which is when Ukrainian forces moved in including the Azov extremists
– Only then do these “pristine, perfectly made videos appear” (as Lira puts it)
As Lira says is it really credible that the mayor of the town wouldn’t be aware of nor think the alleged atrocity worth mentioning in the three day period after the Russians left? I tend to agree with Lira that it sounds highly suspect.
+1
There are still plenty of holocaust deniers out there as well. Your extreme ant- western animus leaves you totally bound by the kind of confirmation bias that would make a Trotskyist blush. Your inability to see the neo-Czarist imperialism of Putin (despite it being on display daily) is mind boggling. He represents everything you theoretically claim to loathe in almost everyone else.
“confirmation bias..”
lololololols
From the lad that’s spouted nothing but lies for the past 2 months..
lamentable
You’ve said lololol a lot but you haven’t shown a single lie by Stephen.
Where to start..
Stephen claimed that Russia would be bankrupt by mid February.
Stephen claimed there would be cues for food in Russia.
Stephen claimed oligarchs would take out Putin.
Stephen claimed Putin would beg the EU to release sanctions.
I could go on and on, but you get the picture..
Waffler
So, no lies.
I said no such thing btw – I said they would get bogged down in an insurgency which they would withdraw from with their tail between their legs like the allies in Iraq and Afghanistan as Russia simply doesn’t have the manpower to sustain an occupation let alone fight a successful COIN. Regarding the sanctions I said it would be a battle of wills which the west will win before the onset of winter as it takes time for Russian stockpiles to erode.
Given you can’t even grasp basic accounting re Gazprom swapping $ / € for rubles to remit to Russia I’m not surprised your confused.
Can you please point us to where Russia ever stated any intention to occupy all of Ukraine Stephen?
Sanctions battle of wills? Well, even the NATO countries leaders are now saying the sanctions are not working. Of course, they wish to use that to encourage support for more direct military action but quite clearly the sanctions are not having the supposed desired effect. The rouble back up in value. Russia coining it with high oil and gas prices and no real reduction in supply. A few oligarchs are in the process of being bankrupted. There’ll be short term shortages of certain goods inside Russia pending a filling of that vacuum from the East. Russia still hold the oil and gas supply card over Europe.
…you must be running out of ammo when you invoke the holocaust…it’s historical fact that the Red Army liberated, by far, the most nazi extermination camps…including, the infamous Auzswitz and Treblinka…the worst excesses of the nazis were suffered by the Russians and no message is more powerful than denazifaction…
They committed plenty of war crimes in the process, they must have thought it would provide cover for more this time round with the credulous.
…no one stretches credulity round here like you Nigel…you were apoplectic with rage here when Trump encouraged his nazi mob to march on the Capitol in denial of a democratic mandate but silent when the CIA fomented regime change against the democratically elected government in Ukraine using the same method…but, yeah, good guys…
You’re blathering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
The Russians have plenty of form – but denial denial and of course its always someone else fault – oh I love the smell of victimhood in the morning – blame the rape victim for the way she’s dressed stuff etc etc.
Like everyone else, f_lawless has biases, but to call them extreme is just smearing. All one has to do is glance at this morning’s front pages to see that we are in a war- a propaganda war- and there is only one side is to be heard, all screaming WAR !
We have already had two years of this and anyone who was paying attention at all will recognise the same patterns now. Especially from those with a paid agenda who’s job it is to ensure their ‘message’ is the only one to get through- even on here.
Joe Glenton is former defence journalist. He was a British soldier for six years, serving in Afghanistan. He takes what I think is a very balanced view, so he’s clearly a Putin shill- I mean, what else could he be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGOKI-1Sl0
‘and there is only one side is to be heard, all screaming WAR !’
War crimes. They’re screaming about war crimes.
When you’ve no argument to make just shout nazi or holocaust. You’ve been riled on this site Stephen. Time to start using a different username
@ Kali..
Its last username was Bitnboxy..
It used to chase SOQ and GiggidyGoo around incessantly.
Ah ok thanks- he’s under a 2-3 others too by the looks of it.
Oh yeh I’m like Moriarty ! I have only ever had one log on here – which is under my real moniker and have been contributing to the weekly Friday music thingy for years FYI. I’ve zero agenda – I just like pointing out the internal contradictions in many of the arguments here – if you claim to be a true libertarian well at least be consistent in the application of that ethos and not just when it suits your extremist animus.
Exactly – even the slightest bit of critical thinking makes this whole thing fall flat.
They have internet connectivity, everyone in the town does. That infrastructure (like most) has not been harmed.
And yet not a word about any of this until the Ukrainian army returned? Were the citizens of Bucha somehow unaware of the genocide of over 200 people, mass graves being dug and filled in the town, and bodies strewn across the roads?
Coach Red Pill FTW!
Gonzalo Lira? This Gonzalo Lira?
“He peddled sexist bile and toxic relationship advice within a subculture populated by men’s rights activists and incels—while living in Ukraine. Then the invasion started”
How a sleazy American dating coach became a pro-Putin shill in Ukraine:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gonzalo-lira-is-a-pro-putin-shill-in-ukraine-and-a-sleazy-manosphere-dating-coach
“…And he has accused people who contradict his assessments of being idiots or paid shills…”
“…And he has accused people who contradict his assessments of being idiots or paid shills…”
Straight out of soq’s playbook.
Agreed, flawless, I’ve been subscribed to his channel on Telegram for weeks & he’s been constantly informative & honest in his assessments. His repudiation of his own previous debunking of the video was a sign of honesty but even a cursory viewing made one suspicious of the way the bodies were laid out, neatly, as if in a coffin, post rigor mortis & positioned on the road, in a left/right/left pattern, so a jeep could zigzag down the road while avoiding them, was suspiciously staged-looking.
I may be entirely wrong, I just don’t know but it looked as fake as Zelensky, from the off.
He’s already supplied convincing evidence of two Ukrainian videos, one of a guy who ”single-handedly destroyed four Russian tanks” & the other of a ”female soldier”, having been shot in the same location, while being claimed to be in different areas.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/slovakia-economy-minister-says-country-willing-to-pay-for-russian-gas-in-rubles_4379582.html
Pay up suckers..
https://www.cityam.com/germany-assured-it-will-not-have-to-pay-for-gas-in-roubles/
“Putin reportedly said payments could be made in euros and transferred to Gazprom bank, which would convert the money into roubles.”
Pay up suckers..
So…they’re paying in Euros just like you predicted?
which is exactly what I said was going to happen last week- so clearly someone is posting stories that prove the opposite of what they are trying argue – could it be they don’t understand what they are reading ? Perish the thought
Paying in euros to Gazprom. Who are sanction free.
that why they left them sanction free to use them as a bank – join the dots
The claimed reason for the shift was because western accounts had been frozen after the gas was delivered- so shifting to roubles was about the bank used as much as the currency.
But they are most definately paying in roubles because it is the energy recipient who owns the bank accounts and who instructs the transfers between, not the Russian state.
They are NOT. They are paying in € . They have no access to Rubles. Where is that mount of Rubles going to come from ? Is Russia going to expand the money supply and cause hyperinflation ? The head of the Bank of Russia is highly respected internationally and one of the few sensible ones left in Russia and she knows this equation. Th west is using Gazprom as a derivative house to back to back the trades.
The recipient owns the bank accounts- nobody else.
They instruct the money into the Euro account, they instruct the transfer to the Rouble account, and they instruct the payment to the Russian government. They can, I expect, reverse the first two of three transactions at any time so they are most definately paying in Roubles.
Whether the Russians start behaving like the western banks and freezing assets remains to be seen, but as long as they are getting paid, they have no real reason to do so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WRlcYbQozI
i luv it when you talk banking,oh yeah more more ….
LOL
ah lads what is this place?
it can’t be viable in any normal way
I don’t think it’s some lads hobby
or something struggling thru tough times
its been around a fair while
with seemingly former glory days
hints of bellingcat-esque open source mag
rooting out political dirt and important local suss
a very useful engine for those who give a fupp
but now?
just looking more and more like just another weirdo pit
scattered rubbish gathering in the ditches of d’internet
have to question broadsheets M.O.
it doesn’t seem make any sense really
best of luck to ye in your real lives anyway
But why do we keep returning, I suppose a burning car is a spectacle.
The Evening Heggald & the journal are awaiting your arrival, goldenbrown. The opinions expressed here are obviously too far removed from the approved narrative & that’s bothering you. Don’t let it bother you, seek reassurance in the arms of the MSM, trust them to tell you all you need to know, then you can sleep soundly & dream all you like.
Looks like a propaganda video to me, not very convincing.
I have seen too many white helmet theatre productions to buy anything at face value.
The Russians are winning on the ground and there is no reason for random massacres or chemical weapons to be used.
I do feel sadness for the poor people murdered just for the cameras, and I feel the same for the poor Syrians that were also murdered for false flags over there.
+1 SG
‘there is no reason’
What do you call this? There’s no reason for it to happen, yet it clearly happened, therefore it can’t have happened, yet it did happen, therefore it’s fake.
“Yet it clearly happened..”
Yeah a week after the Russians had actually left..
Hence the decomposition.
What decomposition? The bodies were laid out straight from head to toe, in a way that nobody who’s been shot actually falls. I’ve seen some horrific pics & videos, corpses piled in alleyways, surrounded by Russian ration boxes, a Russian soldier sitting up against a wall with the top of his head caved in with a blunt object, that video was by a long way, the least convincing thing I’ve seen. That’s probably because it’s fake.
Nevertheless it could be real. The pics in the alleyway & the dead Russian soldier definitely were far more convincing, as were every other horrific image I’ve seen but they were all alleged to be committed by Azovs & well, Nazis wouldn’t do atrocities, would they, Nigel?
Well, not the ones you support.
This site is now almost entirely worthless. A shame as it used to be good. The Friday Music good vibes no longer make up for the shocking mess that is the daily papers. There are a number of posters on this site who appear to have lost all sense of proportion, rationality and compassion.
It’s like being stuck on a bus or the Luas with a pile of screaming incoherent addled individuals all roaring at the same time, and noone actually listening to anyone else any more.
I’m pretty sure that most, if not all people on this site are decent human beings who have actual lives and people they love and who love them. But the level of vitriol and irrationality that is spewed here on a daily basis (by a small cadre of the same voices) must surely eventually bleed into their actual lives with unpleasant consequences for thiose around them as well as themselves.
It would probably be a good idea for some people who post here multiple times a day every day to try to spend even one day a week offline, or go for a walk in a park. Walk a dog, (preferably your own), go for a coffee with a friend, help out in a charity shop (if you have the time) The Internet will still be here when you come back.
Just an observation.
+1
Well observed indeed TC. You put it far more eloquently than I could.
+1
Well, you’re entitled to your own opinion, Tarfton. Maybe you’re wrong, though. You do you.
Just an observation, also. Thanks for your concern.
Looks like Ukrainians killing injured Russians, if the article below is taken at face value.
Time will tell what happened in Bucha I guess, but it looks false flag to me.
First casualty of war is the truth.
https://southfront.org/ukrainian-soldiers-carried-out-execution-of-russian-pows-photos/
Would anyone like to see my holiday snaps ?
I’m shilling for the budgie-smugglers.
Unpaid too.
I’m still waiting on that postcard.
Regulatory round-up: https://pressgazette.co.uk/newspaper-corrections-media-mistakes-errors-legal/
Interesting stuff, thanks for posting.
This one is incendiary:
BBC News has edited an article about endometriosis to replace the word “people” with the word “women” and remove the phrase “who are assigned female at birth”.
The BBC said the edits were intended to “make it clearer to the audience how the condition affects women”
It’s a jungle out there!
All very good, the BBC using the word ”woman” correctly but still not really worth a medal.
Now, if they could answer the question ”what is a woman?” we’d be suckin’ diesel.
Unfortunately, that’s now beyond even prospective US Supreme Court Judges, perhaps even biologists are unable to pin down this scientific mystery.
And that, like it or not, is a Problem.
I think this is an important article that cuts through the atrocity propaganda we’re being bombarded with on a daily basis.
It covers Bucha but most notable is the testimony of the Mariupol blogger, now mother, who was photoed at the maternity hospital. While some of the initial claims about her by Russian authorities appear to have been wrong, she gives an account of how Ukrainian forces did indeed take over hospital facilities to use as a military base. She was clear then and now that no airstrike occurred where she was and says this was the consensus of those around her at the time. The same AP reporters who took her photo also interviewed her and she told them she was sure there was no airstrike, yet her words were never reported on. She has searched online for that interview but there’s no sign of it
Watch for yourself and judge her credibility.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/03/testimony-mariupol-hospital-ukrainian-deceptions-media-malpractice/
She is obviously a Putin shill so.
I’m confused.
Why are they saying both “there was no attack on the hospital” and “the hospital was taken over by the Ukrainian military.” it seem like if should be one or the other (“it never happened” or “it was a legitimate target”)
And that article is spouting pure Russian propaganda:
What’s more, Russia has virtually eliminated Ukraine’s fighting and logistics capabilities in much of the country, including its entire navy, air force, air defenses, radar systems, military production and repairs facilities, and most fuel and ammunition depots, leaving Kiev unable to transport large numbers of troops between different fronts, and consigning what forces remain in the east to encirclement and almost inevitable defeat.
Why would the Ukrainian army need to attack the hospital before taking it over?
What you claim to be Russian propaganda is exactly what military experts like Col. Douglas Macgregor are saying btw.
do you need to attack something to take it over? Major triage centre, medical supplies, centre of infrastructure, backup power supplies; in an awful way, it sounds like a perfect spot for an emergency military base.
I can see that you’re confused Cian. Citing quotes that don’t exist in the article: (eg “there was no attack on the hospital”) and coming up with a false dichotomy of your own ((“it never happened” or “it was a legitimate target”) all in the first paragraph.
According to the eye witness testimony, she, and the people she was with heard two explosions going off outside the hospital. After the second one, there was a shock wave and, quote, “After the second explosion we got evacuated to the basement.We proceeded to discuss whether it was an airstrike. They said it was no airstrike. So our opinion got confirmed. We didn’t hear the airplane, they didn’t hear it either. They told us it was a shell. After the first two explosions there were no other explosions.”
She gave an interview to the AP reporter who had taken her photo stating to him that it wasn’t an airstrike and yet her testimony was never used. Instead, all across western media the narrative was straight away: “Russian targets maternity hospital in airstrike” with her photo plastered across the front pages.
She says that she and the others only stayed down in the basement for “5-10″ minutes and yet when they emerged, the AP photographer in military gear was already there taking photos. She says she thinks they were there “from the beginning”.
We can’t know what happened for sure but I think it’s fairly well established that the reporter(s) and media outlets were indulging in propaganda by omitting her testimony and asserting that a Russian airstrike had occurred. The question of who fired the shells and what was the intended target is unclear . However, considering the dishonest reporting blaming Russia for an airstrike and the rapidity at which the reporter was on the scene to get photos, to my mind there’s a suspicion that it was a planned false flag event.
The thing is flawless, she turned up in another video, collecting a loaf of bread being handed out by someone in uniform, from the back of a truck. Now, it’s entirely possible that in a country with a population of 41 million & an area of 233,000 Sq miles, it’s just a coincidence but it’s a hell of a coincidence.
Fake nun banned from Belfast monastery after eccentric behaviour
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fake-nun-banned-from-belfast-monastery-after-eccentric-behaviour-41519661.html
“…Two weeks ago Mulcahy caused a commotion outside the GPO in Dublin as she danced frantically to religious music…”
Yes she usually performs her religious ‘art’ in Cornmarket in Belfast- from Lisburn I believe.
I assumed she was actually one of those dissident NUNS- the Continuity NUNS or the Real NUNS or something.
Poor dear could catch her death writing around on the pavement in the wet winter months mind- she does get a bit carried away.
Greek Railway Workers Refuse to Transport NATO Tanks Toward Ukraine
“We, the railway workers, work to provide affordable and quality transportation to the people and for the transport of goods which can be used to meet their needs, not to become part of the country’s involvement in plans which are dangerous for the people, by transporting NATO material to areas near Ukraine. We will not be accomplices in the passage of the war machine through the territory of our country,” the statement added.
http://greeknewsondemand.com/2022/04/04/greek-railway-workers-refuse-to-transport-nato-tanks-toward-ukraine/
Hopefully, they can all be hunted down, Greeks not bearing gifts, eh? Putin shills.
Annnnyway the IPCC report on tackling climate change is out.
https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1510995608772952072
Ah the IPCC, favoured NGO of the ignoramus class. Speaking of which, they’re awfully loud the said ignoramus’ – empty vessels making the most noise (you).
Cimate change is going to be making a lot of noise going forward.
Oh jeez, I can hear you revving up the machine already! Not sure there’s anything left in life that I find more boring.
I don’t care if you find it boring. I get narked with people who claim it isn’t real.
Hahaha
Let’s run it up the flagpole
I actually read that comment by Nigel, initially, as ”I get naked with people who claim it isn’t real”. Which almost convinced me to change over to the fictitious side of this argument, it’s just they’ve been wrong, wrong, and wrong again, so many times.
Did you know the board of Greenpeace sacked their last remaining climate scientist, one of their founding members, a good few years ago?
The Ecology movement was initially a bunch of people who, like me, are in touch with Nature & were concerned about multiple problems on our beautiful Planet. Initially apolitical, within a decade unfortunately, it was taken over by The Left, as a weapon they could use against Capitalism. The Lefties were then taken out & replaced by representatives of lunatics like Gates & his Oligarch ilk & all the multiple problems vanished, leaving only the one that Oligarchs could make truckloads of cash from. Chimate Clange, as Joe Biden calls it.
The concept of Carbon Zero is a zinger, because it’s not Carbon Zero, it’s NET Carbon Zero, which is a whole ‘nother thing. The Carbon Capture mega-factory that Gates wants to build is as insane as crazy can get but it will be Net Carbon Zero, eventually, as well as being as sound an investment as his Pharma Shares.
Maybe he’s just smart, eh?
Well, the thing is Nigel, they told us twenty years ago that by now, 2022, Britain’s climate would be ”Siberian” and multiple European capital cities would be under constant flood warnings. Yeah, that’s not happening is it. I suppose Chicken Licken/Henny Penny was a one-trick pony, what else could she do to earn a crust but go around, claiming the sky was falling down.
There’s a lot of folks in the climate change disaster industry, too. Good money, I hear.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/apr/04/pamela-rooke-punk-rock-fashion-icon-jordan-dies-aged-66
ciao, bella, ciao…
Sad indeed. My sister died of that fken cancer!
mes sinceres condoleances, Verbatim…
Brian O’Driscoll has let himself go …
https://twitter.com/doris_from/status/1510296421563613186/photo/1
Log in again as vlad you contemptible little bitch
Referendum to allow Irish diaspora vote for president to take place before 2024:
https://www.independent.ie/news/referendum-to-allow-irish-diaspora-vote-for-president-to-take-place-before-2024-41520690.html
No representation without taxation.