Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications and Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan
This morning.
Via RTÉ News:
The Government is launching a new campaign this weekend that will inform the public about a range of actions they can choose to take to save energy and money, whilst reducing national energy use.
The campaign will roll out in print, radio, and across social media.
A spokesperson said that the campaign will emphasise how, now more than ever, we need to be mindful of how we use energy.
They said: “The campaign will emphasise how the Government, homeowners, motorists, communities and businesses must all work together to overcome the immediate energy security and affordability challenges.
“This will benefit us individually in our energy bills and nationally in our energy security.”
Govt launches campaign to reduce national energy use (RTE)
Meanwhile…
.Minister Eamon Ryan said:
“That saves consumers money, it reduces the amount of gas that we buy from the market and therefore revenues going to the Russian government. It’s a step in the efficiencies direction where we need to go anyway.”
“le monde est glauque, et ca s’ecrit:
j’ai deux ailes au cul, mon amie…”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChQ68Ql3R_E
And Five million or something goes into a bank account of a PR/Advertising
firm whose CEO is a childhood friend of [Insert politician or Civil Servant here].
This fupping country…
“i of course am completely insulated from price rises with my tasty 120 large per year salary. this ‘advice’ is for you little people you understand, not for me and my mates. next week we’ll be publishing a recipes for meals that cost less than a euro – i hope you all like the taste of nettles.”
lols
laters, suckers!”
it’s still a bit tight on 120k tbh
i know right? i’m down to my last three bottles of Romanée-Conti Grand Cru a week before pay day..
I love the headline share a bath
The modern day Pe Flynn
Remember him and his plain people of Ireland
This guy is a vegetable from the neck up
Share a cup of coffee, share a blanket, smear fecal matter on the heating switch so you’re less keen to use it… and that’s just off the top of my head, I’ll be a millionaire in no time!
Don’t fill up the kettle for a cup of tea,
Use a flask to keep tea/coffee hot and on tap,
Turn off the oven 5 minutes before cooking time and let the dish continue to cook in the heated oven,
Shower less, or take cold showers which apparently are lovely once you get used to them, good time of year to start (put up encouraging note to self in bathroom),
Eat cold meals (salad) at least once a week,
Fast for 3 – 10 days every 1 to 2 months,
Stop eating sugar
Life is all about change…that includes changing your mind about things.
the implicit assumption that we all waste energy for the fun is at the heart of their “advice”, a bit like asking some of us to hop instead of walking to save our shoes – you gotta love their well intentioned notions.
I feel the green party do more to harm than advance the cause of environmentalism, Talking down at people is a sure fire way to be ignored.
The fossil fuels we use to heat our homes are boiling the planet. It’s not an individual problem, it’s a collective and structural one, not to mention global, but individuals are going to be need to learn strategies to cope with that reality while insitutional inertia and corporate hostiity block and sabotage the structural changes. Poor old Eamon is a prophet in his own land, and you know what happens to those.
…the sooner the better.
also he’s neither poor nor old
But poor people and old people are going to suffer because people keep giving FF/FG all the power.
Both you & deluded Eamonn are using faulty climate data. Man made climate is if it is real at all is not being tackeled by the real culprits, the possums. Their farts are known to have opened a hole in the nozone lair. If we kill all the possums we aill have pleanty of rain and sunshine every day. Eamonn would make good compost as he is so full of it.
I think you might actually be a possum fart
Scammers gonna scam
Fossil Fuels are a lie.
Petrol oil and diesel don’t exist? Woludn’t that be nice.
Liar twists meaning to enable fraud.
Is still Potato.
Explain in your own words, promise not to twist them.
Also, birds aren’t real.
while I understand that changes need to be made on a personal/household level it really irks me how it is presented to us – You guys need to turn off the lights,etc – you are killing the polar bears.
We are not students, he is not a teacher, we are not his congregation, he is not our pastor.
Open up a new data centre there lads, the last one isn’t hot enough.
Fracked gas, I suppose we could use just a little bit…..
If Eamon is to be seen as a prophet he’d want to up his game- I feel.
Is today “Earth day” or Fools day.
So what? That is almost all he has the power to do while in government with FF/FG. You don’t like it because there’s nothing to like. The news doesn’t have to be bad, because there are meaningful things that can be done to fix a lot of these problems, but we keep electing people who make them worse, and then blaming the one guy who does his best to change things. Don’t get me wrong, his best isn’t good enough, but still. He ain’t actually wrong.
A massive mis-step chosing to prop up this govt for a start, enabling the status quo is never going to bring about meaningful change.
I don’t like it because i feel it is ineffective, I don’t like it because I feel the greens as they currently go about their business actually harm the cause of environmentalism not advance it.
He may not be wrong, he may not be right – he may have an inflated view of himself, certainly seems to think he is bringing new knowledge to the masses – I respectfully disagree.
What other government was he supposed to prop up? We had fifteen years of Fianna Fail, are we going to have fifteen years of FF/FG with all the progressive parties safely on the sidelines doing sweet feck all but being virtuously untouched by grubby compromise and politics?
The last time the Greens were in power, they oversaw the Celtic Tigger Construction Boom. If they’re hugely successful over the next 20 years or so, killing pensioners by the thousand with hypothermia, filling the roads with bus lanes to promote that 19th Century technology, carbon-taxing half the population into fuel poverty, it won’t make up for the carbon footprint of one, crumbling ghost estate.
The one-eight of the planet that self-identifies as “The West” pursues “Green” policies, while the other seven-eights builds more & more coal-fired power stations & our utterly-out-of-touch political class masturbate each other in their bubble, working tirelessly to keep everything unchanged for themselves & their Oligarch friends & demonstrating their visceral hatred of their own people & societies by dismembering their communities.
Progressivism appears to be the unverifiable belief that change is undeniably beneficial, while actually being another disguise for American Capitalism to don while raping the planet so Oligarchs can continue to hole up all the wealth generated by all that economic activity, all that stuff dug out of the ground, all those ecologies destroyed, on computers in a tax haven & use a small portion of it to promote transgenderism, womanism, eating the bugs, fake pandemics & mass migration from low to high carbon environments, of course.
If we boil the planet a little more it will be a more hospitable place for us – we wont need fossil fuels for heating anymore once the earth is a nice balmy temperature through the winter
Yeah, it’d be lovely if not for all the droughts, fires, floods, the unpredictable high-intensity weather events, the disrupted agriculture and supply chains and rising seas, also mostly dead, and the resource wars and mass movements of displaced peoples. Very hospitable.
Why ddin’t you you use the energy you wasted on this post to boil your head, Nigel?
I’d rather roast you.
your p1ss is perpetually boiled, K. Cavan, you can use that.
Well, well, well, group sex from Nigel & Golden Showers from Paul. Who knew they were so sexually adventurous?
where did I say it was my urine? Keep yourself to yourself, yeah.
Yes to this.
Here we have Nigel who really gets on my nerves
I am sure he is a government paid blogger
I noticed it had VAT charged on it reducing the net payment to €170odd
And when the following bill comes in VAT is applied to the whole usage
So basically we are being charged double VAT on that €200
I wonder has no one copped that one
So that €27
Is it going into the energy providers pockets or is the government getting it from the electricity providers
We are talking about upwards of €50 million of money that was to alleviate the price gouging being gouged by either the energy provider or government
A credit is €200 not €173
Maybe Nigel you can pass that on to your boss
If you think I support current government policies you really haven’t been paying attention.
#AbolishTheCarbonTAx
#Muppet
But i switched my light bulbs in 2002. If the government isn’t stopping consumption of fossil fuels by big important changes like better public transport and proper taxes on the aviation industry, then this is just more green washing.
For a start no airline should be allowed to buy carbon credits to offset against carbon fines and air travel is one of the most polluting forms of transport and seriously if all fuel is taxed to the hilt then aviation fuel must also be
I would say the combined carbon emissions of the airline industry world wide would match chinas carbon emissions on coal
Time a massive tax was placed on all airline tickets and the likes of Ryan air and easy jet are prevented from claiming they are climate neutral
I agree. But this needs to be done at a global level not a national level.
We live on an island. We are more reliant on air-travel more than most EU countries.
We must all do our part to conserve energy otherwise the data centres might be left without and then where would we be, no insta, no snap, no tiktok, imagine.
This data centre thing is a ball hop. Each and every one can be taken off the grid in 2 minutes.
This is typical of either the fools in government or their constant attempt to deflect from their incompetence.
Another example:
daa want to introduce a charge for dropping off passengers at Dublin Airport departures road.
Senator Regina Doherty, she of the company law breaking variety, thinks the charge is also for collecting people (which it isn’t)
She also says that she will object to the planning permission, which she can’t because she didn’t initially object
You see my point, people in power who literally don’t know their arse from their elbow, but know how to spin a yarn, break the law, and leave their tax bills unpaid.
Time data centres are banned
They consume 25% of our countries electricity and are as toxic as the whole dairy and beef sector
The advantage of farming is you can sustain life on the product
You cannot eat data or computer chips
They say as we go forward future wars will be fought over food and water
For a start I have a problem with corporations and government storing my data and selling it without my knowledge
Nope. They currently use 11%.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/electricity-consumed-by-data-centres-jumps-by-144-in-five-years-1.4781365
The fragrant Lady TenPin and I have our own showers in the wet room and we’ll often enjoy some loofahrobics together in the morning.
Can’t say it saves much water or electricity because we often dally a tad when we get carried away.
And don’t get me started on the steam room …
just because your jax window is 3 feet away from the ventilator fan from the chinese restaurant downstairs doesn’t mean you can call it a ‘steam room’.
Somehow I’ve a feeling you’re more a bathhouse sort of guy …
Oh wow, what a zinger suggesting scottser might be gay?
So fupping what if he was?
Christ but you are both dim and a bigot.
Now back to pretending you have a life that doesn’t involve sleeping 20 inches from the toilet.
Man feels the need to explain others comment shock.
I wonder if I touched a raw nerve …
Jesus tin man fragrant
You compare her to a earl grey tea bag
I can vision the two of you togeather and it’s quite disturbing
Continuing with your theme I see myself as an English break fast tea – robust and good to swallow first thing in the morning.
Lady TenPin is more of a Darjeeling – best savoured in the afternoon with a creamed horn.
Marvellous™
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj6XCsCygSQ
The energy consumption of public sector buildings didn’t drop during the pandemic despite the buildings being unoccupied.
All members of the Oireachtas, including retired members, have a free car parking space for life in Dublin City Centre
And the most laughable?
Ireland imports no natural gas directly from Russia.
When you look up “idiot” in the dictionary is there a photo of Eamonn Ryan?
Who are you blaming for this? You think if Eamon Ryan could do it, he’d have all the power in empty government buildings turned off? Switch everyone able-bodied in government to bikes and public transport? Course he would. You’d call hum a Green Fascist, but he still would. But he doesn’t have that power and he’s in government with people who dont care. He tries to flag small changes and all you can do is point out all the things he can’t change as if it’s his fault and not a consequence of so much change being necessary and taking so long and most people in power wanting to do things that make things worse?
Damn, I hate apologising for Eamon Ryan, but for all his faults he is trying to change things, and nobody else in government is, and all the people who hate the way things are hate him more for only being able to make small gradual changes.
@ Nigel
There is a group under Ryan’s control in the public sector who are responsible for energy saving, so yes this is his fault.
As is pretending we import Russian gas.
As is not banning free parking for TDs.
He’s a waffler, a spoofer and a snoozer.
No, the problem is there’s a dynamic in coalition politics where the leftward, progressive parnter has to be submissive and a spokesman for rightward politics that they are not supposed to represent. They never kick back publicly or even say, well, that’s obviously contrary to our political aims but those guys have all the votes, and we don’t. That’s how compromise works in Irish politics, and Ryan is a fool for going along with it, and being too timid about pushing for more and openly criticising environmental and socially destructive politics by his coalition partners.
Correct. Ryan is all talk and no action. He needs to pull the plug (excuse the pun) on his corrupt partners.
No, he’s done some stuff here and there, rural transport, some beneficial schemes, like micro-energy payments for households who generate renewable energy, but while it’s spitting in the wind, at least someone’s taking the trouble to expectorate. It’s just that given the urgency, he’s being way too reasonable and co-operative with people whose policies are destroying the environment and damaging our society.
FG and FF are all too happy to see him sink the Green Party for another election while they wash their hands of green policies.
Exactly. It’s such an obvious ploy, I can’t believe he’s falling for it. Again. I understand the rationalisation – you can’t do anything if you don’t go into power. He just doesn’t have to be so feckin obsequious and reasonable. If he peed inside the tent a bit, let his frustration show, attacked his colleagues when they implement obviously destructive policies rather than letting them use him as a spokesman for them, he might actually garner more respect, and what’s the worst that could happen?
…I feel genuinely sorry for those greens who believed that they were part of a movement for change…who discovered they had lied on the doorsteps on behalf of Ryan and the other wafflers who use the green standard as their flag of convenience…
Wow, you actually do still think in terms of the archaic Left/Right false dialectic, Nigel, don’t you? You’re enabled, then, to think of FFFG as “Right Wing” & probably think the Greens, Labour, maybe even Sinn Fein, are “Left Wing”, which allows you to be basically entirely wrong about everything & all those politicians to have the exact same policies about everything that actually impacts people. Now I get it. You’re basically a crosseyed guy describing the word seen in a mirror, while you hang upside down from a tree. In the dark. Thirty-five years ago.
Ah, Progressivism, in a nutshell, where it belongs.
I feel very sorry for anyone who tries to change anything then get blamed when things don’t instantly change, even though the people who are keeping things the same have the most power.
…well the greens will introduce a brand new tax…even FFG wouldn’t attempt that…what a legacy…
Left wing parties intoducing taxes, neoliberal parties reducing taxes, and with it, government services? Shocker.
Bell I would say all the government buildings just left all the power on as it’s other peoples money
I used work for an agency that tried to promote energy efficiency. One way they did it was naming and shaming the worst offenders. To do this, they asked each month how many light bulbs we have changed in the previous month, I was always the worst with zero. As mentioned above, I had in fact already changed all of mine before I even joined them. But because I was not taking new action, I was not green.
Our metrics for these things are all screwy because were in a protracted, dragged-out, constantly undermined and rolled-back period of transition.
Liar twists meaning to enable fraud.
Is still Potato.
Empty declarative sentences and repeated catchphrases still empty declarative sentences and repeated catchphrases.
Indeed you do, Nigel, indeed you do
Nigel has put his finger on it. Our metrics are screwy, if only we could make our metrics whatever the opposite of screwy is.
I think Minister Ryan might run an advertising campaign about how screwy metrics heat up the planet. I’ll knock up some roughs this afternoon.
Then Nigel can take his finger back off it.
The problem, Nigel & you’d know this if you weren’t so schmart, is that there is nothing to transition to. There is no alternative source of energy on Planet Earth, other than Carbon.
Windmills & Solar Panels are scams, pushed by the Windmill Industry & the Solar Panel Industry & whenever a power company declares their figures for “Renewables” the bulk of the claim is made up of wood-burning, even though the accompanying blurb only ever mentions Solar & Wind.
Green Energy is an advertising slogan.
Of course wind and solar are viable, and of course fossil fuel companies are constantly trying to capture them and control them and minimise and sabotage their development. Of course corporate eco-criminals greenwash. They’re the enemy. Or are they only the enemy when they’re providing medicines during a pandemic and allies when they’re needlessly destroying the planet? That’s why the solution must come through politics, local, national and international, not markets or corporations: they are literally committed to making the problems worse.
Niggle, you are so completely wrong in your assertion re: wind and solar are viable. Not for another 30 years or so at best will both be capable of replacing oil and gas. You are making stuff up.
You’re saying it can replace fossil fuels in one breath and it’s not viable in the next.
You missed the small detail of the 30 year gap in r and d in the comment, Nigel.
No, I didn’t. If at the end of thirty years renewables have completely supplanted fossil fuels we will have saved the world.
What nationality are you Nigel?
‘ No, I didn’t. If at the end of thirty years renewables have completely supplanted fossil fuels we will have saved the world.’
Oh for jeez sake Nigel, cop on. ‘If’
Neo ‘if’ even.
‘ No, I didn’t. If at the end of thirty years renewables have completely supplanted fossil fuels we will have saved the world.’
Oh for jeez sake Nigel, cop on. ‘If’
Neo ‘if’ even.
If you had a point you’d have made it. If.
Exactly. Neo Nigel if. You ‘make a point’ with ‘if’, which isn’t a point then.
Why?
Who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_68miSOU78
What?
K
I don’t mind your being abusive to people so much as I recognise you have a few screws loose but I draw the line at your parading of your manifest ignorance: there are public figures quoted every day in the Smart Grid Dashboard about the percentage of wind energy on the grid/ look at them then you ignorant, belligerent, brain dead bellend and then come back here with your tail between your legs,
a company I worked for had a similar approach with workplace activities. Departments chalked down their steps for the day for a health initiative but didn’t average out the results so a less active large department would wipe the floor with an insanely active small department, thus rewarding the same people again and again. Mentioning averaging out a departments results to make it fairer and more competitive was met with ‘but the numbers will be smaller, people will be less encouraged to get their numbers big’.
I’ve since been wary of data being used to prove a dubious point and green initiatives are high up on the scale. It’s like the Cash For Ash thing up north, you can technically be doing the right thing and impressing everyone when the net result is damaging.
@ Nigel
Ryan is more interested in hanging on to his pension than actually doing anything.
Look at his u turn on turf cutting. Anyone who really believes in what they are trying to achieve would not have kowtowed to Mehole or Leaky Leo.
But Ryan did.
I think he thinks he’s doing good and ths is how to do it. Even if he’s right, it’s nowhere near enough, and grants too much leeway for bad stuff to keep happening. Household turf-cutting is an edge issue anyway, useful for drawing attention to the plight of the bogs, but surely can be phased out over a generation – industrial-level extraction and exploitation are what needs to be stopped and reversed.
What part of us having to import the likes of briquettes now is worse for the environment that producing them ourselves ourselves don’t you understand? Green thinking – sure isn’t it great?
– Close our production. Job losses.
– Import similar products, with the resultant transport emissions etc.
Absolutely no effect on making a negative impact on climate change – in fact the opposite. What clever greenies we have.
I assume you’re just dying to implement some policies which develop renewables, then.
Greenies try diversion. Own what you’re doing. Renewable jobs eh?
Own what? They’re not doing anywhere near enough, and FF/FG are actively anti-environment. Who’ll do more? Where are they?
You’ve obviously your finger on the pulse……not.
Here’s people doing more that your FFGREENIES
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2022/0422/1293586-rosslare-energy-jobs/
No doubt there were all sorts of FFGreenie politicians in attendance trying to give the impression they were involved and financing.
Yeah, that’s brilliant! More of that!
Funny you asked ‘Who’ll do more? Where are they?’
Finger on the pulse eh?
Good news is good news.
It’s not all about “jobs” though, is it Giggidy?
We hear that line being used to justify all sorts of undesirable corporate vampirism, particularly in the tech sector.
For further consideration please also review
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RA_SXOO6BVU
@Mad
No it’s not all about jobs. The point I was making though is that the Irish greenies are blinkered into thinking that Ireland should lead the way – much to the detriment of Jobs, of ever-rising green taxes that have no effect on global warming, climate change, but do have on poverty here.
Nigel had an interesting question/statement above….
“ I assume you’re just dying to implement some policies which develop renewables, then.”
From what I see, Nigel himself isn’t doing much in that area. Full days on BS wouldn’t allow that.
I wouldn’t pass much remarks on Nigel’s effluvium on here in general Giggidy to be honest, but I agree that part of your statement: what I see with the peat issue really is the worst of all worlds at least in the short term as you initially highlighted- simply because not one person in the area is equipped to lead the so called “just” transition- so we get a lot of half-baked, badly thought out stuff, which achieved the opposite of what was intended, just as we had with taxing emissions on cars … just remember Giggidy the greens are less than 10% of the vote, and are really, really, really stupid …
Giggidy you’re tying yourself in knots to justify personal attacks and partisan political sniping. Follow Mad’s example and just call people stupid.
Not at all. Just showing you up. So, what exactly are you doing policy wise, or anything-wise to develop renewables?
You’re so self-cantered trying to give an impression of knowledge on the subject, you don’t actually even know what’s going on in the area. Posts like what you’ve written just now are your calling card – just attempts to avoid. No substance.
a true busted flush as it happens.
Time to post a link with no comment I take it?
Good news about the development of offshore renewables but all you care about us attacking me. Every counterpoint you try to make is warped by a relentless obsession with keeping it personal.
Just showing you up for the waste of time you are Nigel. Once you start losing your arguments (and not just with me) you duck and dive to divert away, you post links with no comment, you use one line silly statements. Anything to avoid admitting that you know very little about subjects you try give the impression you know a lot about.
Glad you agree on the RTE article. How come you didn’t know about such a massive development?
If you really thought you’d shown me up you wouldn’t need to keep repeating it and elaborating on your justifications. But that’s OK, whatever floats your boat. Now I know you support the development of offshore wind farms, which is something. Don’t know why I missed it, I’m only human.
It’s about you, yourself, realising that you’re showing yourself up. By continuing this thread, you’re just consolidating the fact.
If you know very little about subjects you try give the impression you know a lot about, why do you persist to continue?
That’s great news for Rosslare Giggidy.
I heard it on the radio there yesterday but do appreciate the link.
‘It’s about you,’
For you it is, yes.
@Mad. It’s the tip of the iceberg (heh heh). The sea off Arklow is earmarked for further development. Foynes is another area very suitable. Belfast also very suitable. The biggies though will be floating windmills, many miles offshore in the atlantic. By 2050 they reckon 80% of our energy requirements would come from wind power.
The current proposal is to be fully funded by private industry. Are the Greenies saying that the State should be involved and own, or at least part-own the future energy industry, thus protecting the nation being held to ransom? No, as far as I can see.
And, right on time, Nigel arrives with the usual inverted commas quoting part of a post, out of context, and with what he thinks is a smart addendum.
You’re a busted flush Nigel.
Giggidy bingo: all in a rush, busted flush!
Nigel hits rock bottom early. Keep ‘em coming. At some stage you’ll realise how much you’re showing yourself up as the uninformed waste of time you are.
Smoke ’em if you got ’em: hit rock bottom!
Keep ‘em coming.
@Giggidy
While it’s true the developers have to find the money for the offshore infrastructure the Government has provided a definite FIT (Feed in Tariff) for offshore wind which guarantees a minimum rebate for wind which wins at the iSEM auction. ( it used to be prioritised but not now as far I know, it’s competing with all other fuel sources). But that aside the main issue for offshore wind has been a) the lack of a marine planning and development legislative infrastructure (Eamon Ryan signed one into law in December) and b) as you highlight the investment in the port infrastructure as well to support this new industry
And as I said pay no heed to the Green idiots
When I was thinking about taking a break last week it was respite from these sorts of people I had in mind as the Nigel’s of the site literally suck the lifeblood out of you, if you let them. I was goaded so much by random idiots for my opinion however I did decide to reconsider my departure :)
That was a great conversation for a while. That was until Nigle was found out.
Nigel, in the words of my grandfather in Skibereen, you couldn’t hit an arse with a banjo.
I must remember that one.
“you couldn’t hit an arse with a banjo.”
Brilliant description.
There’s always this bizarre assumption that everybody is being crazily cavalier with our hugely expensive energy. The government might as well run an advertising campaign, encouraging people to stop using tenners to blow their noses & soak up coffee spills.
What’s coming, however, is that energy prices, sooner than you think, are going to start killing people & the government will wring their hands & the EU, who have deliberately destroyed Europe’s ability to produce enough energy for its basic needs, will have a giant sculpture of two hands being wrung, installed in place of the one, actually, two, outside their buildings which represent the Rape of Europa (yes, they actually do, look it up).
A mate does spinning classes at a DCC-run place, where the heat has been on, full blast, for about a decade. Nobody who works there knows where the thermostat is or the thermostat is broken or something, so, all through the Summer, all the doors & windows are left open.
He claims he can get a great sweat up during the spinning classes, though.
I think Eamonn’s interview, where he said something about the oil we (don’t) get from “the USSR, eh, Soviet, errr, EU, ahhh, Russia” says it all.
Still, with Working From Home becoming popular, with many companies, they’ll be insulated (yep) from energy prices & employees will have to foot the bill, instead.
So that’s good.
Build 2 nuclear power stations and we’ll be a long long way down the road to energy security. And a whole lot of CO2 reduction achieved too, for those that see that as their priority. 2 birds, 1 stone.
Simple as that?
Nobody will let a nuclear power plant be built near them.
Nuclear power plants are incredibly expensive.
Nucealr power is not clean.
@ Nigel
No power is clean.
Roughly 500,000 gallons of water goes into extracting 1 ton of lithium
Then you have aluminium mining, smelting, concrete for turbine foundations, etc etc.
The point is; Nuclear is the cleanest power sources that is always available
It is not the cleanest. Its waste is deadly to all life for thousands of years – how the hell is that clean? Plus extracting and processing the raw materials is highly polluting.
Every form of energy has an environmental cost, which is why conservation and efficency and reduction of waste is so important.
https://world-nuclear.org/nuclear-essentials/what-is-nuclear-waste-and-what-do-we-do-with-it.aspx
if you’re careful and a bit clever about it, nuclear power generation and recycling would provide a very sensible option into the future. problem is, it’s ireland; shortcuts, inflated costs, short term thinking, private investors, our lack of experience. i simply wouldn’t bet on us to get it right first time.
and as for where to build it – if they won’t let a block of flats go up in walkinstown you can imagine the spittle-flecked outrage from rural tds. my own suggestion of course is to unify the island and build it in a heartland of unionism, like lisburn or portadown :P
You are probably right Clampers. I am not technically knowledgeable enough about Nuclear power to know. But the main problem is that if so many people scream and cry and go insane with anger at the thought of the loss of two car parking spaces in Deansgrange to help build a safe route to school for children, and almost no one in Ireland ever wants anything built near them, ever (See Social Housing, Injection centres, Apartments, Cycle lanes, bus lanes, Wind Mills, Offshore Energy Infrastructure etc etc), then the chances of being able to plan and build a power station in the next 40 years anywhere closer than Rockall is vanishingly small. I would go so far as to say impossible.
Maybe if it was disguised as or included a 50 story car park then it might be a runner I suppose…
It will have to happen when the lies come home to roost. Germany made a crazy own goal shutting doen their Neclear Plants down. I have lived in both Germany and France in the early noughties and people didn’t mind them at all. In France for ex. you cant go more than 50k in any direction without coming accross one. Doesn’t seem to bother anyone I’d met.
Possibly so. But is there any authority/company/organisation in this country that could be trusted to plan/build/maintain one?
Having spent a lot of time in Germany myself I agree that people don’t mind (or certainly didn’t) But there seems to be a sense of civic duty/responsibility/the Public Realm, and an understanding of the long term view that seems to exist in Europe which appears to be in abeyance here.
It seems to take forever to get anything actually Done in this country. Anything which is for the Public Good is denigrated, and only private profit is approved.
Almost every green area in this country has rubbish dumped in it, no matter how many bins are provided. I can see people dropping litter two feet away from a bin from my window every day because they just don’t care about public spaces.
I was in Germany with a mate two weeks ago and he took a photo of a chip wrapper on the third day as it was the first piece of litter he had seen in 72 hours in a city almost the size of Dublin.
If as a nation, we can’t be trusted to put an empty cigarette box in a bin, then I don’t think building and maintaining one of the most complex, expensive and potentially lethal objects ever created by humans is necessarily the wisest course of action.
You could be right, but I guess you may be more positive in your view of people than I am.
Yeah put them in Waterford
This is really about the data centres guzzling all the energy?
and again, for those down the back .. none of it matters if you don’t regulate energy companies.
if everyone scrimps on their energy use, the energy companies will see the loss, and up their rates to get it back.
Use both sides of the toilet paper.
You are probably right Clampers. I am not technically knowledgeable enough about Nuclear power to know. But the main problem is that if so many people scream and cry and go insane with anger at the thought of the loss of two car parking spaces in Deansgrange to help build a safe route to school for children, and almost no one in Ireland ever wants anything built near them, ever (See Social Housing, Injection centres, Apartments, Cycle lanes, bus lanes, Wind Mills, Offshore Energy Infrastructure etc etc), then the chances of being able to plan and build a power station in the next 40 years anywhere closer than Rockall is vanishingly small. I would go so far as to say impossible.
Maybe if it was disguised as or included a 50 story car park then it might be a runner I suppose…