Despite many promises of more balance, men still far outnumber women in senior decision-making roles of the civil service. Women make up less than 15% of Secretary Generals; less than 33% of assistant secretaries and 40% at principal officer grade. #IWD19 #InternationalWomensDay
— Mary Regan (@MaryERegan) March 8, 2019
A report by the ESRI in Dec 2017 found that men in the civil service are TWICE as likely to occupy senior positions as women with the SAME qualifications or length of service. #IWD2018
— Mary Regan (@MaryERegan) March 8, 2019
There you go now.
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Remember that time we had a female Garda Commissioner, a female justice minister and a female Attorney General. Ah, those halcyon days….
The Chief State Solicitor is still a lady, last time I checked. DPP too.
dont forget 2 presidents.
Yer Ma.
and when’s international men’s day. that what i want to know, etc.
Promotion to senior positions should be based on competence rather than gender. If that’s not happening in your organisation, be empowered and be part of the change.
not sure of those figures, heres a report from PER
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwjXgczYvvLgAhViRxUIHZ2bBrMQFjAAegQICRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.per.gov.ie%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FCivil-Service-Renewal-Background-Data-October-2014.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0dk_PAE-Cs7FNRmKq4ZHEE
admittedly from a few years ago.
the numbers are changing but lets stop talking about quotas and move to meritocracy
Another social constructionist, postmodernist, identity politic-er! Bet she believes in equality of outcome instead of opportunity and she must fight to bring down the tyrannic male patriarchy. They are becoming more and more predictable. Has she ever looked at Scandinavia and what has been going on in the most egalitarian place on earth. Another toxic feminist that believes in a tyrannic male patriarchy. In what sense is that society is male dominated. Its a very tiny proportion of ultra competitive, highly efficient and conscientious men that only live to work massive hours. So she takes a tiny group of men and now that represents the entire group. There is a serious proportion of men that are disaffected….. most people who commit suicide are men, most people who are victims of violent crime are men, most people in prison are men, people who do worse in school are men, most people of the street are men, most people who die in wars are men, most people who work dangerous jobs of men. This ideology she has does no one any good and instead of having sexes that are reciprocal and collaborative, we are going to have a huge chasm and resentment. Imagine we have Higher Education Minister Mary Mitchell O’Connor and her speech yesterday. What bridges has she built. Whats going on is only making matters worse and not better.
“most people of the street are men”
You’re funny.
Meant on … that was funny
who perpetrates that violent crime?
Well done George….I see you got the point.
There was a point?
The Irish public service is not a mess because of gender inequality. There are plenty of other problems to sort out first. Like the unions, and jobs for life.
+1
+yep
considering the nature of the civil service, without allowing people to completely skip the experience requirements, you can’t really do much more. The people in those positions would have started their civil service careers in the 80s when things were much less enlightened. should be focussing on the new intake of staff and it will all balance itself at the top in the next 20 years.
This business of railroading women to higher positions than their experience allows just creates a sense of tokenism, resentment among staff who were working the full path to get there and when the inexperienced candidate inevitably fails due to a lack of experience, it reflects poorly on peoples overall impression of female executives.
40% of principal officers are female. There are only a handful of assistant secretaries in each department. There are plenty of suitable candidates.
Civil service and public sector in general are overstaffed. Fire the men and things will be better all around.
really? any evidence for that statement?
And where is the overstaffing? too many nurses? or gardaí? or people working in the passport office? or the prisons? or the courts?
Where would you start to cull the numbers?
Well Cian their ratio of clerical officers is lets say slightly out of kilter with the private sector and thats because of a thing called progress, with computers doing all of that menial work. OF course in the PS a clerical offficer on the top grade will get nearly 40K salary and a DB pension – where’d you get that in the private sector?
And also I remember the last time we had a recession, many of the ps workers took early retirment were obviously just marking time. So many jobs where no work was done, and so they werent replaced. Their position just disapeareed – their pension of course lobbed on to the current tax payers to dea with.
Two things:
1. if only 40% of POs are female, when an AssSec job become available then there is a pool of 60:40 male:female for the job (and the men will have longer experience – on average).
When a Sec Gen post become available, there is a pool of 67:33 men:women
In both cases, if we are being gender-blind, (and the candidates are otherwise equal) then more men than women will get the job.
2. The same ESRI report says that for the higher grades that fewer women (as a % of women) apply than men. So the ratio of candidates is skewn more towards men. It also says that (in the previous 5 years) women are more successful at getting these higher jobs – in spite of the few applying. The problem, as they see it, is that the higher positions are not family friendly.
+1
It’s “Secretaries Genera”l actually
Two whoppers junior and fourteen curlies wurly, please.
Clearly we need to tokenistically remove all men from every job and give their jobs to women with equally tokenistic pay increases.
Men, BOO!!!
You do yourself an enormous disservice, my dear.
I’m sorry, you’ll have to speak up, I’m very busy with all my extra money as well as all thr misogynistic engagements I have to attend to.
The ENTITLEMENT of you. I’m sorry, but it’ll have to be the stocks for you.
Memory Lane for some
But for some of the new faces
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2017/07/07/gender-quotas-and-me/
What about the number of blacks or reds or greens.
I don’t care any more. I did for a while, and then I did for a while from the other side of things, but now the pendulum has settled nicely in the middle. I think that every creature is an island. If a woman wants to do something to help other women that’s fine but I’m not going to help. Or hinder, for that matter. Washing my hands of the whole concept.
I’m mildly put off by the illustration of this topic portraying the woman as victim/martyr. Things have to change from the ground up…got a little bit excited by this article in the Times, but what’s Google’s involvement in this?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/initiative-seeks-1-000-female-professionals-to-inspire-girls-1.3819198