england fans are sore racist violent losers that need to be punished by fifa. we can’t just sit & watch them physically attack italy fans at wembley then hurl racial insults at rashford, sancho & saka. fifa needs to act. we need to create an environment safe for players & fans.💔 pic.twitter.com/gJOv5xT2dt
— #diaryofnasawali (@nasawali_phame) July 12, 2021
Last night.
London, England.
England football fans and Italians clash at Wembley stadium before the Euro 2020 final.
Fan violence the only thing that disgraces England in Euro 2020 final defeat (Independent.co.uk)
Meanwhile…
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Thats incorrect – thats fans breaking into Wembley from outside pre game not attacking Italian fans. Check out twitter and look at the timestamps – it was pre game.
Yep. Pregame. And it looked like England fans kicking their own.
Still scum.
Thanks Des, fixed now.
Not sure what we are seeing here. England fans (with tickets) were attacking other England (and maybe Italian) fans without tickets who were forcing their way past stewards, and maybe that’s what’s going on here. Given the chaos in Leicester Square etc, it’s surprising there wasn’t a much bigger security presence at the stadium.
this is an example of the problem with evidence by chitter….
Anglo-Saxon scumbag fans at it again? yes
are they welcome to each other? yes
would you want your child witnessing this? no
BUT the context here as is doing the rounds is incorrect
what you are looking at is non-ticketed scumbags trying and largely succeeding to break in, stewards being overwhelmed and the ticketed fans already inside realising what’s afoot and rightly/wrongly trying to take matters into their own hands
I’ve seen this incident from 3x different angles…there’s a much longer clip taken from the rhs viewpoint that shows you all the detail
non-ticketed ENGLISH fans.
ftfy
this goes to the heart of the argument as to why we don’t wish the english team well. granted we might watch english football and even follow an english football team. we might even like the way they play and admire the way they handle themselves on the world stage. but the reason i would never like to see them do well is because their fans are utter scum. their sense of entitlement, their ‘exceptionalism’ and their outright thuggery makes me sick. there is an ignorant and anti-intellectual streak that runs through most, not all, but most english fans that could be straight out of the express and the daily mail.
who on earth would want to be associated with them?
not disagreeing with you in the slightest there scottser
it’s the Anglo-Saxon way
it’s baked in and yep their media certainly helps in the breeding of it
sometimes I feel sad for them but mostly I just wish they didn’t exist, I don’t think they’ll ever change
Hard to see England being awarded a World Cup or future Euros after that carry-on. Then there was the racist abuse after the game, absolute scum.
That comment assumes the world cup, etc. is not awarded based upon who pays the biggest bribes.
Welcome to 1970
…and 1980
…and 1990
….etc…
…decades of this..
It would make you sick, wouldn’t it?
“That was the worst experience I’ve ever had as a fan at a football match. Shambolic organization, police nowhere to be seen, fans without tickets running amok within what was a giant Covid breeding ground. Taken 3.5 hours to get out of the godforsaken place. Saw fights, bottles thrown, people karate kicking windows and (a new one for me) had to jump out of the way of an armed officer with his gun drawn chasing someone. Transport non-existent, roads gridlocked for hours, behaviour of many despicable. Wembley Way a bombsite. Awful, awful night.”
Mike Keegan, Sports Editor, The Daily Mail
https://twitter.com/MikeKeegan_DM/status/1414394033556832257
“It was one of the worst environments I’ve seen at an English game over the past decade or so and sadly that will probably be one of my main memories of the final. It would definitely make me think twice about taking my kids to a big England game in future too.”
Matt Law, Daily Telegraph Football News Correspondent
“Wembley Way by the new stairs at main entrance is a sea of trash – bottles, cans, carrier bags – sodden in the rain. Stewards saying privately significant numbers of ticketless fans got in. Unable to help ticketed fans who had allotted seats taken. A bad night in all respects.”
Sam Wallace, Chief football writer for The Daily and Sunday Telegraph
https://twitter.com/Matt_Law_DT/status/1414379032951545864
Italian fans expressing anger last night:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6DTysnVUAE3HnU?format=jpg&name=large
guilty
Gary Neville weighs in:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6FUkfwXsAQ6-iJ?format=jpg&name=900×900
‘The Conservative MP Natalie Elphicke has been criticised for sending a message after England’s defeat that read: “They lose – would it be ungenerous to suggest Rashford should have spent more time perfecting his game and less time playing politics.”’
never, ever, not at it.
This says it all for Irish soccer supporters
On supporting Italy in the Euros final
https://fb.watch/v/3YYcwUmnM/
Cheers, Joe.
It never ceases to amaze me watching scenes like this just how many grown men can’t throw a proper punch. Pathetic.
they can kick a man who’s already down handy enough….#realmen
Maybe Tory propagandists like Camilla Tominey, associate editor at The Telegraph, would like to reassess their contributions to the artificial ‘culture wars’ that they’re trying to foment and take a long hard look at the reality on English streets. This was her take on things on July 9th:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6FJ2CwXMAAsor-?format=jpg&name=medium
That hasn’t aged well, has it, Camilla?
Maybe you should be blaming the scumbags involved instead of using it as an excuse to continue hatred of a whole country or the team of players who have absolutely nothing to do with this, get to the source you know. A lot has been done in recent years to mend relationships and people tear it up over a crowd of idiots at a football match.
Who is expressing ‘hatred of a whole country or the team of players’? Are you capable of reading a post or do you have to invent words and sentiments not posted to argue some imaginary point?
I happen to think that among those who try to shape public opinion in Britain, politicians and journalists, are many who are more than a little two-faced when it comes to issues like racism. The ‘scumbags’ as you term them are not operating in a cultural vacuum and it could be argued that they are actually emboldened by racist utterances and attempts to minimize the degree and nature of actual racism fed to them by what passes for their political leadership.
You just posted a link which mentions “racist England”… so do explain why you think it hasn’t aged well, what is your problem with England?
My point is mainly that tribalism turns into an absolute pile-on whether it’s physical or in words, have seen it all too often before, we can do better than this
The link was to an article by Camilla Tominey. The headline was ‘The Euros have destroyed the Leftist myth of backward, racist England’. That headline was either chosen by her or by someone else working for The Telegraph. It was clearly an attempt to dismiss concerns about racism, among other things.
Why hasn’t it aged well? Are you blind to what is going on? Her article was written on July 9th. On July 11th, and overnight and continuing through today, manifestations of ugly English racism are to be found online and off it. You do understand that such events make a mockery of the claims made in the July 9th article?
Tominey is a writer who wishes to pretend that racism is not a real problem. She is among those who sneer at efforts to put an end to racism. Her three-day-old article – a fantasy alleging that there is no racism to be found in England – hasn’t aged well because recent events have shown clearly that racism is still flourishing there.
Why are you continuing to allege that I ‘have a problem with England’? What is wrong with you? Read my posts on this thread. The majority are from English people who are complaining about racism and thuggery in England. They made those comments of their own accord, I didn’t force them to.
Have you got a Brit in your head that you feel needs to be protected and cossetted like some shaven-headed Tamagotchi? Do you think that English politicians and journalists are beyond criticsm for the dog-whistle racism they serve up to their people?
If English people in substantial numbers are saying that their country has a racism problem that needs to be addressed are you suggesting that ‘they hate England’ or that ‘they have a problem with it’?
Ireland and the Irish have experienced and continue to experience aspects of English racism, cranked up according to prevailing political circumstances. Is there, in your view, something wrong in identifying English racism and objecting to it? And in being supportive of English people who want to put an end to it?
We can do better than to pretend that racism is something we can afford to ignore wherever it exists.
And don’t keep on falsely accusing me of being ‘anti-English’ for making comments about events there. Read for yourself what English people have had to say to Camilla about her article. You might have to hurry as she may decide to delete it, in light of the feedback:
https://twitter.com/CamillaTominey/status/1413578724180729857:
If you think Twitter is some kind of barometer of balanced public opinion you are incredibly naive, it’s not real life. Every country has racism unfortunately, and will continue to have it to some degree, so let’s not be getting carried away with social media hysteria as though it represents reality.
For example, what percentage of the English population do you think is racist?
Tweet deleted. I am with Fearg.
is’nt it so cute that one fan is helping the other insert a lit firework into his anus, for the entertainment of others… bring warmth to your soul
I am sorry, I may be off topic, but that song is in my head now. Darn it Nick, you are supposed to wait until Friday!
@ scundered
You’re outing yourself now as someone who wishes to pretend that a real problem doesn’t exist. Trying to dismiss Twitter posts, which lead to articles/opinions by leading journalists – some of whom were eye-witnesses to events of yesterday, some of whom recently tried to promote your own blind take on things – is just lazy on your part. A random sample of thousands of comments should alert you to the possibility, at least, that a great many people do acknowledge that racism is a problem in England.
Try this tweet, from this morning, from Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, a member of the British House of Lords and a high-ranking Tory. She is addressing Priti Patel, Britain’s Home Secretary:
“Priti -we as govt, as @Conservatives need to think about our role in feeding this culture in our country. If we “whistle” & the ”dog” reacts we cant be shocked if it barks & bites. It’s time to stop the culture wars that are feeding division. Dog whistles win votes but destroy nations.”
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1414534994219913221
It’s no surprise to me that she makes an allegation about senior politicians ‘dog whistling’ and thereby inciting and encouring racist behaviour. Their doing so, and reports of their having done so, have been a matter of public record for some considerable time. Yet you seem determinded to cling on to your blindness and ignorance, to pretend that a problem doesn’t exist. Only you can answer why you choose to do so. I don’t think that’s a very good place to be, but presumably you have your own reasons for wanting to downplay the extent of ugly racism. You’re in strange company:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6GDZYLWQAMwsBv?format=jpg&name=medium
@ Ferg
Still waiting on you telling me what percentage of English people you think is racist. 60 million people or so, so just how many of those do you think fit into you ill thought out narrative?
What is it exactly you think I’m blind about, I said there is racism in all countries, do you think it doesn’t happen here or what? We’ve had many an incident too but it doesn’t make Ireland a bunch of racists.
Twitter has for some time been the home of angry lefties, the equal opposite of Parler, every bit as toxic. Here you are wishing to give it relevance as some kind of worthy barometer when you can’t even verify who sent tweets exactly or even which country they came from, if you value your mental health I’d advise you to avoid it.
It isn’t up to me to research what percentage of English people may be racist, or to what degree.
You’ve done nothing here but display your dishonesty (accusations that posters have said things that they have not said, refuting eye-witness statements from named English journalists, denying reality as expressed by named English/British politicians).. You also seem to have difficulty working out that Twitter posts containing links to media articles are merely step one in a chain of assessing source material. Dismissing a tweet ‘because it is Twitter’ and not dealing with what it either says or links to doesn’t seem to be the mark of a mind that is interested in examining much.
To borrow a tactic from you – why are you so anti-English that you keep trying to insist that reports and concerns about racism in England, posted by English people, should be dismissed? Why are you trying to close down discussion about the subject? You have failed utterly to address what English/British people are saying about the problem. Why, exactly, do you want to suppress discussion about racism in English society?
Ha, are you serious, it was YOU who is suggesting England is racist, now back it up with some facts instead of social media outrage with zero stats on the posters except they are all Twitter accounts. Has it escaped your attention that England has a more diverse team than most others? And you want me to believe it’s some kind of racist hell hole? Those living in glass houses probably shouldn’t be throwing stones because unless you haven’t noticed yet, your thinking is driven exactly by the same thought processes as those sending the offensive tweets.
‘Has it escaped your attention that England has a more diverse team than most others?’
It certainly didn’t escape the attention of the racists.
So which is it Nigel, a systemically racist hell hole or a place where ethnicities can’t get to play for the national team? Make your mind up
*can
It’s a country where black players are in the national team, and they get racially abused. That’s literally what happened, I don’t know what it is you’re struggling with here.
Back you come with another portion of dishonesty. The Twitter accounts I’ve linked to here all belong to named English/British politicians and journalists. Who they are can be easily verified. But you want to ignore that because you’re only here to try to deny or minimize the nature and extent of racism in England. Unfortunately for you, your “Sure, there’s racism everywhere and it’s not that bad, would you leave the poor racists alone and stop going on about them” line doesn’t wash with anyone who actually pays attention to what’s going on.
‘My thinking’ as you call it, has consisted of reporting what English people are saying about the racism in their country. Why do you keep trying to deny their concerns? You’ve had ample opportunity to address what English people are saying but you keep trying to wriggle out of making a response by alleging that it’s me making unfounded claims. Why do you hate the English so much that you would deny them to right to articulate their own understanding of the reality in their own country?
In a way it’s good that your playing your game because it affords opportunities to bury your denial a little deeper. Try this from another British politician, Johnny Mercer. Now personally I can’t stand the guy – I consider him to be a racist when it comes to his support for British soldiers who have murdered innocent Irish people. But even a guy like that argues that there is a racism problem in England and that English/British politicians are enabling it. Check out his criticism of Priti Patel reported just today:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/13/england-tyrone-mings-criticises-priti-patel-over-racism-remarks
Notice that he is supporting a Black footballer who accuses Patel of hypocrisy over the issue of racism.
And in case you want to insist on trying to confine discussion to to the acts of a few scumbag racists who surfaced after the recent football match, you’re really going to have to open your eyes and understand that racism affects English/British society on a much greater level.
You don’t have to take my word for it. At the end of June Britain’s Institute for Fiscal Studies released a report that found that children of immigrants are being held back in the jobs market even though they tend to be more highly educated. Why do you think that might be? And what does it indicate about every selection/interview panel up and down the land over there? Is there a word that might explain it?
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jun/29/children-of-immigrants-held-back-by-employer-discrimination-in-uk
And then there’s a fabulously wealthy old woman over there, who perhaps employs thousands of people but who is exempt from any laws governing the employment of black, Asian or minority-ethnic people.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal
So it is true to say that some opinion formers and legislators in England are as much a part of the racism problem there as the thickest racist scumbags on the streets. And more tellingly, it is English people who are saying so.
Why do you keep denying this? Why don’t you want English people to be able to discuss the reality of their society and to find ways to root out and stamp out the ugly injustices arising from racism?
You both dramatically miss the point in every retort, most likely deliberately, I’ve stated above racism is bad, it should be tackled everywhere it exists, what part of that can’t you understand?
But it also exists everywhere and you can’t provide any data on what percentage of English society is racist compared to others, which would be the most obvious way to validate your argument. So stop trying to excuse your involvement on the pile-on as concern about racism, we both know it came from a place of xenophobia as proven by sources who use Twitter or read student opinion pieces by the Guardian, both heavily anti-English and constantly clinging to anything to stir up tension and sell media. As for politicians playing the game, they know they have a lot to gain by playing a certain narrative, as predictable as night and day. Time you took your blinkers off and travelled a bit more often to understand how media works.
“…like arsonists complaining about a fire they poured petrol on – total hypocrites…”
More commentary, from people in England, about the dog whistling promotion of racism by certain politicians in Britain:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/12/tory-mp-sorry-jibe-marcus-rashford-euros-penalty-miss
For some English people yesterday was an opportunity to chill out together and enjoy the match:
https://twitter.com/Jdillonlfc/status/1414318232186593283
(Not those people, obviously)
One thing baffling us every time with British social media…the top meme-sters slag off everyone in the public eye daily, often hurtfully, about aspects like weight, appearance, age, nationality, talent, food choices, religious and sexual orientation. They ridicule the knee-drop gesture, climate-change activists, vegans, millennials, boomers, anti-vaxxers all of the time.
Today they’re posting angrily and virtuously about racism against three players on their soccer team. The printed British tabloids do the same (£££). The Prime Minister and some of his Cabinet do it. The hypocrisy is so blatant. And then the hypocrites attack the woke and vice versa, and the entire country in-fights on various standpoints in selected media to the point where ‘Left vs Right’ compasses prick up, register polar disparities to cause further division, and everyone outside of the nation looks on with horror and calls them a ‘failed state’.
Pretty much describes the USA during the Trump Presidency and the current Johnson-led UK.
A soccer match has just exposed it.
@ Scundered
Can you point out one inaccuracy in any of the Tweets posted here, or in any of the newspaper articles?
Outside of trying to minimize the extent of racism in England, what exactly are you doing to ensure that it ‘should be tackled everywhere it exists’ ?
Do you think that trying to smother discussion about the issue is ‘tackling it everywhere it exists’?
You are actually an enabler of racism when you constantly trying to downplay the obvious widespread existence of the problem at all levels of English society.