.@fotoole fears that talk of a burgeoning civil war in America risks becoming a “self-fulfilling prophecy. I lived through this period in Ireland… It gives the excuse [for extremists] to say, ‘We better start moving first, we better take the violent action before they get us.’” pic.twitter.com/VU4eXYLQr9
— Christiane Amanpour (@amanpour) January 4, 2022
“I lived through this period in Ireland when there was fear of an island-wide civil war – which never actually happened – at the start of the Troubles in Northern Ireland and the fear of civil war didn’t stop people from stepping back..[and saying] ‘oh we’d better be careful here (laughs) and not go there’. It went in the other direction, which is that for people inclined to violence…it gives the excuse then to say that we’d better start moving first. We better take the violent action before they get us and you get this kind of horrific circular logic where people who are in fact aggressors can see themselves as defenders. They can say that ‘we’re just taking action now to prevent the annihilation that’s coming from the other side’.
“We need to be very careful about talking about civil war and I think for America we need to be talking about what’s happening right now which is the issue of impunity. If you want to tackle the threats…you really have to start with the fact that there’s been an attempted coup, that there are a lot of court cases, a lot of minor people perhaps being prosecuted but so far no real sense that it’s being called out for what it is, being seen as a crisis, an insurrection, which demands a response which actually criminalises that behaviour.”
Fintan O’Toole on the US January 6, 2021 Capitol Hill riot.
Anyone?
Previously: We Don’t Know Ourselves
He’s right, now is the time to take action, not when they violently come for our children, our homes and our jobs.
It has already begun.
They are already coming for the jobs- in health settings.
You can test CoVid-19 positive and still be asked to work but, because you are not vaccinated told to go home even if post infection therefore non infectious.
The lunatics really have taken over the asylum.
what health setting can a person who has tested positive be asked to come in to work?
It’s happening in the states and already here they are saying that PCR is no use after the first time.
O’Toole has picked his side. He may yet come to regret his attempt to vilify and demonise hundreds of thousands of Irish citizens. For every action there is a reaction.
Why does this sound like a threat? To a journalist? He’s an opinion and content provider. Bloody hell – dial it down son.
‘vilify and demonise hundreds of thousands of Irish citizens’
Wait’ll you hear about the bellends who accuse parents who let their kids wear masks to schools of child abuse.
Masks are a clear & obvious risk to the physical & mental health of children & have no efficacy in stopping viral infections, which is in itself a misinformed, scientifically illiterate approach, given the non-fatal nature of Coronaviruses for that cohort. Anyone who labels those demanding a grown-up, rational approach to this, as “bellends” is a dickhead.
‘Masks are a clear & obvious risk to the physical & mental health of children’
No they’re not.
‘no efficacy in stopping viral infections’
Yes they do.
‘Anyone who labels those demanding a grown-up, rational approach to this, as “bellends” is a dickhead.’
Luckily I didn”t call ayone demanding a grown-up rational approach to this ‘bellends’ just the hysterical losers calling parents child abusers.
Tin tin o’fool the coward who declined to stand for election when Ireland was on its knees.
A professional irate man with a book to shill
a useful idiot trying to big up January 6th on CNN
Silo roaring Tintin O’Fool
“attempted coup” is always funny :)
A rag tag bunch of numpties with guns.
I’m not saying what they did was harmless, but “coup” me barney!
“coup” LOL!
But that’s what it was, an attempted coup. Just because you don’t undertand words doesn’t stop them meaning what they mean.
So Trump was responsible for a coup against himself?
This fake news narrative keeps jumping the shark and the Nigels never notice.
‘So Trump was responsible for a coup against himself?’
That actually sounds like an hilariously Trumpish coup, but since he lost the election, and his mob was trying to stop the certification of Biden’s win, not what happened.
The mob that was infiltrated/controlled by the FBI and welcomed in by Capitol Police?
Your story is muck Nigel and you know it.
No, the mob whipped up by Trump that was full of white nationalist organisations that happened to have a few FBI informants amongst them. What a liar you are, and in defense of a white nationalist fascist mob, no less.
Nigel losing the facts means Nigel calls everyone who disagrees with him a fascist.
Just like Fintan.
Either it was a mob of white nationalists out to overthrow an election (true) or a small army of undercover FBI agents cosplaying a mob of white nationalists out to make Trump look bad (fantasy.) Surely either way we can call them fascists?
Yeah, they’re called blinkers, and Nigel never goes online without them.
No it wasn’t any coup. That is like saying that if somehow this group were succesful in holding their position that the next stage.. such as military or state support would take over.. That’s probly what some of the group thought would happen but it’s not real..
‘No it wasn’t any coup’
Attempted coup. If you leave out the ‘attempted’ you’re being disingenuous. Even attempted coups that are doomed form the start with no hope of success are still attempted coups. Plus of course the problem is that most of Trump’s supporters still think he won the election, and Republicans are happy to feed that belief and bring in anti-demoratic voting restrictions and engage in gerrymandering, and if in future Republican voters and politicians refuse to accept Democratic victories or make Democratic victories impossible, then in the end, the coup will have succceeded.
If as u say all that did happen .. I’m not sure any but the most far reaching populist historians would credit the merry few who stormed their capital as the beginning… ur right though about leaving out the word attempted.. apologies .. I can only imagine that it is so difficult to consider the actions of Jan last year as any more than a gathering of movie extras whose motivation may be self asserting but also scripted because from the beginning the stories which charged such seemingly political energy were based on things like outer space interventions and the saving of children. If that sort of content ever inspires a coup like event it is not about taking power it is about letting it go or acting in spite of having no actual power
I have to say, I got a good guffaw from O’Toole trotting out the “Insurrection” nonsense, again but at least he knows he’s shilling for his daily bread, or cakes, in his case.
What’s your excuse for trotting out this tripe, Nigel? The same? Surely you’re not spewing this vomitous effusion because you actually believe it?
Because it’s a thing that actually happened. I know you have a hard time distinguishing things that have happened from your fantasies, but that’s why.
When I was a kid I attempted to hold back the tide with a sand bar I constructed with a plastic bucket and spade.
It was a threat to ocean life, an attempted threat.
+1.
Is Fintan Nigel’s handler?
No… wait…
Is Nigel Fintan’s handler?
Hmmm…
Oh no our cover is blown.
Excess All Cause Mortality Nigel.
Without those numbers your Pandemic is a failure.
I thought it was ICU capacity? (Albeit ONLY ICU capacity when it’s low, when it’s high, it doesn’t count.) How about hospitalisations? Or is lots of people being hospitalised by a disease not a pandemic?
Over five and a half millon dead and the pandemic is still a failure. If the pandemic was a kid you’d be the worst Dad ever.
Excess All Cause Mortality Nigel.
You keep avoiding the matter – I wonder why?
Because it’s stupid, and you started all this off by quoting ICU capacity as proof the pandemic was fake, and that being indefensible, moved the goallposts to one arbitrary measure that presumably in some way can be made to agree with your fantasy while ignoring reality, such as the large number of people who over the last two years got sick went to hospital, went to ICUs, died, or recovered with lasting effects.
So you have no evidence for you pandemic.
And asking for evidence is stupid.
Riiiight.
You’re asking for evidence? Have you not looked at the ICU numbers over the last two years? Remember when the ICU numbers for a couple of weeks were low and you said they proved the pandemic is fake, but not from when the numbers were high, and not hospitalisations, and not infection numbers or deaths? Because to you, all evidence of the pandemic must ipso facto be fake, because the pandemic is fake, QED.
Excess All Cause Mortality.
If you don’t have those as verifiable numbers after two years then you have no evidence of your pandemic.
God find the numbers and we can discuss then.
Otherwise you’re just another shrill in the wind.
*Go
‘you have no evidence of your pandemic.’
Infection rates, hospitalisations, ICU numbers, deaths.
‘God find the numbers and we can discuss then.’
God do your own homework.
The ONLY metric for a deadly pandemic is Excess All Cause Mortality.
When you don’t have that then you don’t have a deadly pandemic.
Years you’ve been arguing without facts.
When ever you’re asked to support your outrageous claims you say (the equivalent of ) facts are stupid. Or here are some unrelated facts to distract.
You’re a fraud Nigel, pushing a fraud. Or several frauds – with evidence for none of them
Provide the figures for Excess All Cause Mortality of the last two years or stop lying about a Pandemic that you can’t prove exists.
‘The ONLY metric for a deadly pandemic is Excess All Cause Mortality.’
LOL no it isn’t. Nobody thinks it is. You don’t even think it is. How completely unworkable would that be? ‘Well, it might be a deadly pandemic, but we have to wait for this arbitrary figure fixated on by people who think the pandemic is fake before we can do anything about it. No, no, ignore infecions, hospitalisations, ICU figures and deaths, they can all be faked but apparently this figure can’t.’
Fact-free Nigel can’t prove a Pandemic exists after TWO YEARS!!!
No, YOU can’t prove it. I’m satisfied that the pandemic is real from the various figures I’ve already referred to and which are freely available to all. You live in private hell of your own making where everyone else in the world is conspiring to pretend a fake pandemic is real just to get at you.
Nigel is satisfied with himself!!
No surprise there I guess…
Even so the burden still falls on him to back up his claims.
Excess All Cause Mortality is the only way he can provide verifiable proof of what he claims is true, and yet he refuses to provide the numbers.
Thus his claim has no basis in facts or reality.
His Pandemic is a bust.
It’s now up to him to prove otherwise.
‘Excess All Cause Mortality is the only way he can provide verifiable proof ‘
it really, really isn’t.
‘It’s now up to him to prove otherwise.’
It really, really isn’t.
Friendly reminder: No-facts-Nigel can’t/won’t provide the crucial Pandemic metric: how many excess deaths did it cause?
(Is the answer none? Hmmm… Maybe that’s why he won’t provide the figures?)
‘(Is the answer none?)’
Is it? Or is there a reason you won’t provide the figure yourself? Is there a reason why this supposed fgure is ‘crucial’ but the others are not? Does it even exist?
Nigel “It’s a pandemic!!!” Source – just trust me bro.
Yeah, Chris, I am literally the only source on the planet for any sort of objective proof that the pandemic is real and I’m not giving you any of it because *phbbbt*
Friendly reminder:
No Excess death = No Pandemic.
(All those €9 dinners fer nutin’)
‘No Excess death = No Pandemic.’
Not only patently untrue, you’ve keep saying there have been no ‘excess deaths’, but you’ve never defined it, quantified it or shown it?
So, let’s have look at the Facts…
In 2020, total mortality in Ireland rose by 2.03%, that was a year in which we had a Covid pandemic, we’re told.
In 2018, total mortality in Ireland rose by 2.07%, that was a year in which we didn’t have a Covid pandemic, we’re told.
Why, oh why are they lying to us about 2018, eh? it’s undeniable that if we had a pandemic in 2020, it was smaller than the one we had in 2018.
Let’s not even contemplate a return to the horror of 2015, when the increase was 2.24%.
The source for my mortality figures is the CSO, obviously a bunch of ratlicking Covid-skeptics.
Seems weird that they’d lie about infection rates, hospialisations, ICU figures, deaths, recoveries, ongoing complications, and do so with the co-operation of every other country in the world, but not that.
Also, the way they get all those doctors and nurses to lie about what’s happening in the hospitals themselves, and all this people to lie about catching covid, or about family memebers catching covid. But yeah, they missed that. Weird.
Excess deaths?
All these countries had excess deaths due to Covid. Is this sufficient evidence for a pandemic?
Try
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_deaths_per_million&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28%25%29&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=IRL~GBR~USA~ZAF~RUS
(oh, you should also add Peru)
Your data is provided by Oxford University who have a direct connection to the Astrazenica Vaccine – (conflict of interest).
Data only starts at 2020.
Gonna need independent data from the last 10 years at least.
hmm… The data is there. You can choose to ignore it;
Or you could “Do your own research™”.
Here is US data;
(US deaths between 2013 and 2019:
2,596,993; 2,626,418; 2,712,630; 2,744,248; 2,813,503; 2,839,205; 2,854,838)
2020: 3,358,814
2021: 3.4million (provisional figure)
Total predicted number of excess deaths since 1 Feb 2020 across the United States: 942,431
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
CDC – again a conflicted source – they push vaccines, masks, the whole COVID hoopla.
Independent data over the last 10 years or you got nothing.
See? Any source that treats the pandemic as not fake is by definition ‘conflicted.’ Perfect closed loop.
It;s obviously beyond you lads, even though you’ve had two days.
Here, from the cold heart of the financial markets is actual death rates:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IRL/ireland/death-rate
Note: deaths per 1000 and the actual percentage change:
Big drop in deaths 1998. Big jump in 2009. Another big jump in 2018. Since 2018 Flat or slightly falling % change.
So no excess mortality since 2018.
‘NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.’
Clown.
No Facts Nigel has no facts.
Reminder: No excess Deaths = No Pandemic.
Show us you figures NIgel or go away.
Two days I’m waiting. I’m thinking you got nothing.
‘NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.’
You absolutely irredeemable robotically repetitive clown.
Cian’s figures also projections.
You got nothing.
No facts, no proof.
Just nonsense and fraud.
Go have another €9 dinner.
Nigel never has a point, regurgitating propaganda or empty rhetoric. That’s his entire bag. Yawn.
Yep. Nigel rejects anything that doesn’t have the COVID fraud baked in.
Sad Babylon Bee Man is sad.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131428/excess-deaths-in-england-and-wales/
UK Data show a spike in week 16 of 2020
and another spike in early 2021
but nothing since.
Course, can’t get a 10 year retrospective on that info…
And yet no continuing death spike.
It’s almost like a normal flu pattern…
Time-line of modern Irish civil war
1912: Ulster Volunteers formed (and armed) to prevent devolution
1913: Irish Volunteers formed to defend devolution
1914-1918: Intermission (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0wOD9TWynM)
1922-23: Wrong civil war happens. Unionists looking on in (disb/r)elief
1969-98: Correct civil war (localised), delayed from 1913.
2018: Healey-Rae / McSharry row in Dail
“If you want to tackle the threats…you really have to start with the fact that there’s been an attempted coup”..
I got this far and for a fraction of a second wondered if FO’T might actually claw back some relevancy and finally start talking about the very real techno-totalitarian coup that’s underway globally (aka “The Great Reset”).
Of course not. He’s still fixated on Trump and expects to be taken seriously when trying to frame a rag-tag bunch of rioters entering the Capitol building with minimal to zero resistance from police as an “attempted coup” on the nation with the most powerful military on earth. I suppose he’s just playing to the CNN audience.
‘with minimal to zero resistance from police’
What did you expect them to do? They were a white mob, not BLM protestors. Still, an awful lot of them ended up getting seriously injured, though. It’s like a metaphor…
How are those facts coming along Nigel? Still none to share with us? No, of course not.
What facts are you disputing? If it’s that the Jan 6th rioters weren’t a mob of white nationalists Trump supporters out to overthrow an election or that the pandemic is fake haha you’re a joke.
Ahem.
Otherwise, feel free to clarify.
A Civil War? Can’t wait to see the uniforms this time. However, its usually the bad guys who have the best style.
O’Toole: A lazy lift out of the same day Guardian again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/next-us-civil-war-already-here-we-refuse-to-see-it
Can I just say my experience of living in Crumlin is very different to Fintintins
It’s hard to deny that, exposed to the cold light of rational examination, the concept of the “self-fulfilling prophesy” is a facile, onanistic, logical fallacy, used by smart people to fool less smart people.
It’s beloved of journalists, as it grants their stock-in-trade, words, a mystical power that no adult should countenance belief in.
The very most that can be achieved by even the most extreme rhetoric is to act as the starting pistol for a conflict that was bound to happen, for a multitude of complex reasons, as is the case in the Disunited States of America, currently.
Fintan has been hugely entertaining over the last decade, observing his descent into madness has given me more laughs than anything passed off as comedy on TV, these days. For that, I thank him, keep up the good work, old boy, the wokies haven’t noticed you, yet.
I hope that’s not some sort of a self-fulfilling observation.