Positive Schwab [Updated]

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This morning.

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Professor Klaus Schwab, of the World Economic Forum

Kn writes:

All testing positive this week: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki, Klaus Schwab, German President Frank -Walter Steinmeier, King Harald of Norway and, of course, Taoiseach Micheál Martin….thoughts?

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103 thoughts on “Positive Schwab [Updated]

  1. Micko

    “You’re NOT going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” and “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalised, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die.” Joe Biden – July 21

    And he was dead wrong. Which is fine. We can all make mistakes and say the wrong thing.

    But we should probably take that into account the next time people accuse others of being a “conspiracy theorist” or a looney.

    Plenty of things that were taboo over the last two years are now either fact or plausible. As well as a few immutable things that have since been rubbished.

    1. Nigel

      The above list bears out the second part of his comment, so I’m not sure it’s as much of a mistake as, for example, claims that the vaccines don’t work or have lead to heaps of dead people, or that all those collapsed athletes are doing so s a result of vaccines. Seems to me you’re exaggerating the mistakes of one side while ignoring the incredible unfounded and hysterical claims of the other. Of course one side was dealing with a developing situation, a brand new virus, caring for the infected and protecting everyone else, mutliple variants, the creation and mass global distribution of new medicines, so mistakes and mis-steps were inevitable, and while the costs of such mistakes could be high, they were easily amplified and distorted by bad-faith actors, while the other side could literally make any claim or connection that came into their heads, and one or two of them only had to vaguely correspond with reality for them to claim they were proven right. Others of course are completely unfalsifiable, such as ‘unvaccinated are being treated like Jews in 1940s Germany.’ Obviously wrong, but repeated as proven truth.

      1. Micko

        “Seems to me you’re exaggerating the mistakes of one side while ignoring the incredible unfounded and hysterical claims of the other.”

        No. I’m not.

        I’m only asking for understanding of people’s fallibilities surrounding changing and emerging information and if the most powerful man in the world who has access to ALL the current up to date scientific data and rooms full of experts, can make such a massive boo boo then everyone deserves to be tolerated and understood.

        Ye know for a guy who preaches about having a better world – it seems like you really have a lot of intolerance in you.

        1. Nigel

          ‘I’m only asking for understanding’

          You’re not an honest broker or a disinterested intermediary. Your characterisation of Biden’s comment is proof enough of that.

          ‘you really have a lot of intolerance in you.’

          Ah, ‘if you don’t tolerate the intolerable, then it is you who are the intolerant one.’ You’re nestling snugly in to bland sophistry.

          1. Micko

            What sections of society do you personally find “intolerable” and what would your solution to deal with these people be?

          2. Duncan Wheeler

            Nigel goes totalitarian on your ass Micko. He loves language but misses the mark most of the time. This happens when one wears blinkers yet believes one sees the whole picture.

          3. Micko

            Well in a similar way yesterday Duncan, Nigel and others childish demonisation of the Conservatives and republican parties in the UK and US, doesn’t really address the issue of WHAT is to be done with the millions and millions of people who legally voted for these parties and who feel they represent them..

            Will they just go away? Are their political voices just to be ignored and silenced because they are guilty of culturally trendy wrongthink or because Nigel and his ilk think they are intellectually superior?

          4. Johnny

            Settled travelers,poachers and dog breeders in Tallaght,just out for a stroll on private land,with a unleashed lutcher,could be 3 years till trial,disgrace he did not get bail,top my list as a farmer of private land.
            I find that intolerable,

          5. Nigel

            ‘What sections of society do you personally find “intolerable” and what would your solution to deal with these people be?’

            I’m pretty sure you can work out what I find inteolerable in modern society from my other comments, my solution would be that they be defeated electorally and reap the benefits of pandemic measures, socilaised health care, public transport and climate change mitigation, etc.

          6. Nigel

            ‘Nigel and others childish demonisation of the Conservatives and republican parties ‘

            I think it’s worth pointing out that the demonistation Micko’s dramatising here amounted to describing their political policies. Their policies are so toxic they cannot be described with demonising those responsible, apparently.

            ‘Are their political voices just to be ignored and silenced because they are guilty of culturally trendy wrongthink’

            But we are? Disagreeing with those policies is demonisation? Who has silenced them? Who has even ignored them? You’re just not being honest, your pleas for understanding a nasty, slippery piece of cyncism.

          7. Nigel

            ‘Nigel goes totalitarian on your ass Micko.’

            I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

          8. Micko

            “ my solution would be that they be defeated electorally ”

            But when the opposite happens (and has) you claim voter suppression and that people are fooled into voting for them.

            And when someone you do like in government does something “dodgy” your argument is to “vote better next time”

            But enough about a foreign nation

            Who would you vote for in Ireland that represents your views btw?

          9. Nigel

            ‘But when the opposite happens (and has) you claim voter suppression and that people are fooled into voting for them.’

            I ‘claim’ voter supression because Republicans in the US actively engage in voter supression. They also claim massive voter fraud – all unproven – and that Trump really won the election. I have no idea what you mean about people being fooled into voting for someone, it’s not something I’ve ever said.

            ‘And when someone you do like in government does something “dodgy” your argument is to “vote better next time”’

            You can also contact your representatives, engage in demonstrations and activism etc, I don’t know what else you think people whould be doing.

            ‘Who would you vote for in Ireland that represents your views btw?’

            Greens, Soc Dems and PPP are all that’s left, and I’d say the Greens aren’t long for this world.

          10. Micko

            “engage in demonstrations and activism”

            Only government approved activism and demonstrations though yeah?

            ;P

          11. Nigel

            That’s a chip on your own shoulder you’re grinding about, nothing to do with what I said.

      2. Nilbert

        Well said Nigel, that’s it in a nutshell. I’m glad you still have the patience to summarize what the vast majority of people know to be true, in the face the the constant personal attacks and nonsnse directed at you on here.

        1. Micko

          Who’s attacking Nigel here?

          He responded to my comment.

          He’s a big boy and well able to choose which posts he responds to

  2. Ian - oG

    Mike Graham thinks you can plant some cement and a house will grow out of it.

    Not sure he’s the best person to be taking on conspiracy theorists what with him being an absolute idiot?

      1. Ian - oG

        Couldn’t care less what Biden said although he was talking out his hoop as per usual.

        As for Graham, he doubled down on his claims so went beyond a mistake and so he shall be mocked for it for all time.

  3. Johnny

    In my opinion it’s curtains for the American Ireland Fraud.
    They tried capitalize on some pent up demand to press the flesh,splash the cash,measure your d**k energy.
    The over the top celebration and party,it looked like a nursing home,just,just had a Titanic vibe,it became one the most infamous superspreader events,complete with Martin the bio-terrorist.
    A lot New Yorkers would not have any sympathy at all for Martin or the FFG charity front,that tried make bank here,wtf was he trying achieve,with that intense travel and socializing,playing cacth up?
    Is the Irish state paying for his stupidity,why are his wife and son with him.

  4. V aka Frilly Keane

    For what its worth

    I’m certain those of us who haven’t already had it
    whether we knew it or not
    will catch this

    Not scientific or even proven with facts, but shur when did that stop anyone around here

    But to me, this Virus is basically an invisible form of Lice
    preventable, but inevitable, no matter how hard you try

    We just have to live with it

  5. Ian - oG

    He was always a very driven man, now he has taken over the Vulcan high command the Romulans days are numbered.

    1. Fergalito

      Doesn’t do himself any favours in that ridiculous get-up – the clothes maketh the man and all that !

      Maketh him look like a clown before he’s opened his mouth (assuming he speaks through his mouth of course).

      1. Ian - oG

        His race defecates onto some canvas and the castrato sages assign meaning to the swirls and chunks.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            No bother, but it’s a picture commonly used by antis because it’s easy to poke fun. At least he didn’t have to wear the jaunty hat, but I do like that they redesign the robes every few years. They were normal velvet yokes back in the early naughties and less Romulan High Command.
            https://en.ktu.edu/university/honorary-members-2/

          2. Fergalito

            @UNMUTUAL
            Oh sweet Jesus – his missus (assuming it’s Missus) looks like she’s stifling a laugh.

            I prefer the space-age university clobber … !

            @DAISY
            I can see how the poking fun is eased with the garb! The 2019 design is a marked deterioration, with the jaunty little pillbox hats that look like ashtrays. That said i’m sure if i were awarded an honorary degree they’d be pretty comfortable to get pie-eyed in and i could secrete by vellum underneath my hat too for safe-keeping.

  6. wearnicehats

    Come back to me when any of the people on the list, who doesn’t have an underlying health condition, is in hospital

    1. SOQ

      It’s all about cases you see, from a PCR test which has been proven to be not fit for purpose. While advocating for an experiential gene therapy which can cause life long and life threatening injuries- and, by any yard stick does not work in the first place.

      The house of cards truly is crumbling- where is Facui bin Hiden anyways?

  7. Dinkum

    Jesus dressed like a Klingon
    And we are supposed to take him seriously
    But the vaccine was never supposed to destroy the virus just increase your chances that you will not die
    We have a flu vaccine each year to protect you from flu
    We have T Cells in our body to protect us from viruses from the Middle Ages we inherited from generations of our families
    The problem is there was so much scare mongering especially from governments that ended up in these anti Vaxer nuts being seen as believable

  8. anti

    Fringe Minority Canadian in Exile couldnt be more brainless

    he still thinks if someone is vaccinated would not get the virus… Stupid idiot!

    Im so glad a vaccine has not been wasted on him but……. sadly if he gets sick doctors and nurses will have to deal with this idiot

    1. Dinkum

      He got the magic bullet
      My god it was guided to exit the body then re enter the body several times like a forerunner to stinger missiles
      All from a lone gun
      Just amazing
      I wonder the standard of technology in those days that produced the first moon landing

      Only being sarcastic my apologies

  9. SOQ

    Re: that Gavan Reilly tweet- unless Helen McEntee has actually developed CoVid-19 symptoms, which were confirmed by a doctor- she does not have any “disease”.

    Even assuming it is not a false positive PCR test result- unless she was or is sick then it is a positive result for SARS-CoV-2 virus ONLY- of which most are completely asymptomatic.

    At this stage when a journalist make such an error, I can only assume it is deliberate- because they had two bloody years to learn the difference.

    1. Dinkum

      Maybe she will try and introduce a covid bonus for all TDs
      Maybe a nine month fully paid leave of absence
      I just wish we could put them on a boat and sail it into the middle of the Atlantic

    1. Dinkum

      Sure even in the height of the bubonic plague many people survived
      The fact nearly 90% of people are vaccinated most even of the 65 thousand that contracted covid over st Patrick’s weekend will not suffer severe symptoms
      We now have long covid which will be an even bigger problem in years to come

      1. f_lawless

        “most even of the 65 thousand that contracted covid over st Patrick’s weekend will not suffer severe symptoms”

        Reminder: That sort of thing had been established at the beginning of the Covid era. Furthermore, the strains that were prevalent then are said to have been more virulent than in current times.

        Clip of UK Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty speaking in March 2020:
        https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=208537493794383

        “While we don’t want to give the impression that every single young and healthy person will just breeze through this, the great majority will – and actually, the great majority of older people will have a mild or moderate disease..

        To be clear: most people who’ll catch this will have no symptoms, have mild symptoms, or have moderate symptoms not requiring them to go to hospital. In every age group, only a minority will actually have severe disease..”

        1. Nigel

          Worth remembering that a minority of a huge number is itself a pretty big number and though less virulent they are more contagious.

          1. f_lawless

            You’re free to go off on your own tangent. But the point I’m making is that the statement in the Dinkum’s comment is not based on sound reasoning. If most people who contracted Covid on St Patrick’s Day don’t suffer severe symptoms, it’s wrong to deem it evidence of the impact of the Covid shots when the same outcome would have been expected without any shots administered.

          2. Nigel

            ‘same outcome would have been expected without any shots administered.’

            I expect a fair amount of study and analysis would be requirted before you could make that claim honestly, but not much if you wanted to just throw it out there.

          3. f_lawless

            Except this was the general scientific consensus back then (as echoed by UK CMO Chris Whitty above) and it hasn’t been discredited since. Even without the Covid jabs, a great majority will have no symptoms, mild symptoms or moderate symptoms. What happened is that this reality got obscured as Covid injection mania took over: We need to lockdown everyone til the jab arrives for the vulnerable..actually no, change of plan: now all adults will need to get it..did we say all adults? actually all children should now get it too…etc

        2. Dinkum

          I think it was too soon to take off the shackles
          They should of retained the masks and stopped mass gatherings like 100 thousand rugby supporters screaming their heads off in a outdoor venue without masks
          To not having testing at airports was stupid beyond belief as this virus came into our country and was not down to eating bats
          Then paddies day parades and every pub restuarant crammed indoors and out with many not wearing masks and removal of covid certs
          They knew about this new variant that is far more contagious than omicron a
          To disband NEPHET was too soon
          To get people back to masks is going to be pretty hard
          Like everything government has done Is a joke frankly
          The science of seeing Micky Dee and Sabina crammed massless at the rugby international just was Jaw dropping

          We must live with this virus but the shackles came off a little too fast and could end up with the hospitals in meltdown again
          Mind you we really are a nation of hindsight
          And this one can firmly be placed at the door of government

          1. SOQ

            Meanwhile in Sweden… don’t you ever stop and ask why they carried on regardless?

            Or why US states who said ‘shove your masks and lockdowns’, are also doing better?

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            Biden can’t afford any more shots anyway….plenty of money to send to Ukraine.

  10. Termagant

    Definitively though the WEF is a conspiracy. It’s a bunch of wealthy and powerful lads who gather at highly exclusive secret meetings to accomplish their stated purpose which is to “shape global, regional, and industry agendas” . It’s not a conspiracy theory, that is what it is, in bald terms.

    1. SOQ

      I don’t know where you are Termagant but assuming Dublin, all you have to do is take an hour trip up the M1 and across the border. There, just over thirty years ago, paramilitary murder squads were trained, armed and handled by the British state.

      If that was now, would these dismissive idiots scream ‘conspiracy theorist’ at the anyone trying to raise awareness of such? Yes- they most definately would. History is littered with conspiracies, there is nothing new in them- but there is also plenty of examples of people who refused to believe they were actually happening.

      Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed- Friedrich Nietzsche.

          1. SOQ

            Paramilitary murder squads were trained, armed and handled by the British state- that is well documented by now- what is your point caller?

          2. Nigel

            My point is that this

            ‘If that was now, would these dismissive idiots scream ‘conspiracy theorist’ at the anyone trying to raise awareness of such?’

            is an unfalsifible counterfactual. Also a straw man, while you’re at it.

          3. SOQ

            Word salad. It dismissive idiots who scream ‘conspiracy theorist’ because they near always have no idea what they are talking about.

            We seen it again and again and again over the past two years where these screamers had to be dragged every inch of the way. And yet they are right- ALWAYS right- just like back then they did not want to see what was happening.

            Unless it came close up and personal of course, in which case everything changed- because it had to. Social media is littered with people with vaccine regrets and injuries and bereavements- but its too late by then.

          4. Nigel

            No, it’s a straw man, and an effort trying to equate something that has been established as historical fact with your actual conspiracy theories.

          5. SOQ

            No- you are the straw man, but not AI because I am pretty certain I know the Linguistic difference.

            Lets try again Nigel- are you Irish?

          6. GiggidyGoo

            Of course I do. Nice try at side stepping though.
            I don’t know what conterfactuals are though.

      1. Fearganainm

        “If that was now, would these dismissive idiots scream ‘conspiracy theorist’ at the anyone trying to raise awareness of such?”

        The truth about murder gangs and collusion was not dismissed as any ‘conspiracy theory’ it was dismissed as ‘Republican propaganda’. There were corpses to be explained away, corpses that had met their deaths violently. Nobody was ever going to explain that away as any kind of natural occurrence. The war for the narrative boiled down to agency, who was doing the killing and who was directing them. The British state was able to maintain a degree of distance by attributing certain killings to ‘Loyalist gangs’, many people knew that the killers were being fed precise information to enable their targeting. Helpfully, Loyalists papered walls in West Belfast with intelligence material that they had been given by British security services/forces personnel thereby outing themselves as being in receipt of such documents.

        Media/public exposure of collusion began in the aftermath of the killing of Loughlin McGinn in 1989, although ‘the dogs in the street’ were aware of it long before that.

  11. ANO

    You should’ve dropped by last week when they were linking to a site that posts racist cartoon strips and making light of the threat that racist groups like the Proud Boys represent to people of colour.

    I’m not suggesting that anyone who works at Broadsheet is racist, just to be clear.

    1. jungleman

      I pointed out its fall from grace in similar terms only yesterday evening and found myself in moderation today.

      Bodger (and we all know who he really is) has no interest in the older more level-headed commenters. He has moved on to the SOQs and kcavans of this world. That’s his gang now.

      1. ANO

        I can’t speak to any kind of commenter hierarchy but the moderation is generally hands off or at least I’ve been left to moan to my heart’s content about the absolute state of this place.

      2. Broadbag

        @jungleman

        Yes, yesterday’s big clean up across multiple threads in favour of SOQ was a real eye-opener and apparently not the first time that has happened either, so take from that what you will.

      3. SOQ

        The site has a no bullying policy in case either of you haven’t noticed.

        Be respectful and debate the points- otherwise, bugger off somewhere else- esp biffo.

      4. Broadbag

        Sure SOQ, despite the fact that half of the posts deleted had zero abuse in them and those that did were playground stuff compared to what Johnny, Nigel, V etc have to put up with regularly.

        No bias on show at all, at all.

        As for ‘be respectful’ you are one of the most hostile posters on here, but yet again further proof that you don’t do self awareness.

      5. jungleman

        Why don’t you go ahead and tell us what you meant when you said:

        “Russia moved to take those labs out as soon as the pandemic was over- join the bloody dots.”

  12. SailorGerry

    The “anti Vaxxer nuts” are actually following the science.

    Good science dictates experiments are done on animals before human trials.

    Rolling out a novel gene therapy on billions of people, without proper testing was reckless at best.

    John Campbell is not exactly a Ratlicking Conspiraloon, though I probably am; amongst my other sins of being a racist, sexist, nationalist, homophobic, anti-Semitic Putin fanboy.

    https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/23/pfizer-documents-and-john-campbell-is-red-pilled/

    1. SOQ

      Take a ticket and join the back of the racist, sexist, nationalist, homophobic, anti-Semitic Putin fanboy queue please SailorGerry- we are processing applications as quickly as we can.

    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      John Campbell is not exactly a Ratlicking Conspiraloon

      He is. He really, really is.

      1. SOQ

        He was pro mask and most definately pro vaccines- a champion of vaccines actually- so how in God’s name do you make that mental leap?

        Or is it just the fact that he also made an independent assessment of Ivermectin as part of an early intervention protocol?

        As John himself repeatedly became frustrated about when making the point- it is NOT an either / or.

        That is politics not medicine.

        1. SOQ

          Please free to respond Daisy Chainsaw- I have bookmarked.

          How is Marcus de Brun doing these days btw?

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            I don’t care how he is. Are you incapable of asking your fellow conspiraloon yourself. Has he blocked you?

  13. Dinkum

    Eamon Ryan is spam
    Thanks to the greenies we have closed down our turf industry including power generation that could of filled the gap of energy needs half our gas needs that could of helped in the need for power generation
    The removal of the fertiliser industry the need for imported fire starter logs soaked in kerosine
    The destruction of our agriculture industry and carbon taxes that are causing much suffering
    And like the yellow brick road he clicks his heels and magically our agriculture sector can plant crops and trees so they can get the part of their CAP payments from Europe they depend on
    Up to 2002 we were within the top ten fertilising producing nations in the world
    Now the only fertiliser is the bull poo coming out of the dail

    1. Nigel

      We’ve wrecked our bogs for turf and fertiliser – not only are they massive carbon sinks, they are also flood plains and havens of biodiversity. Continuing to destroy them now s sort term thinking at its stupidest and most greedy.

        1. Nigel

          You’ll be shocked to find I think putting wind turbines on bogs is as terrible an idea as planting plantations of sitka spruce. It takes some doing to make tree planting and wind power into environmental disatsers, but here we are.

      1. Dinkum

        Yes it’s what kept many warm for hundreds of years
        You do not replace until you have alternatives
        Until then you keep them going
        Not import them soaked with more carbon fuels and import gas oil then say hey it’s Russian let’s ban it
        If we tackled the situation we all knew about in the 1970s we would not be in this pickle now
        I remember as a young fellow watching Soylent green staring mr NRA himself charlton Heston
        And the film was science fiction but now science fact
        Meanwhile like the final scene of planet of the apes mankind is about to embark on the final kicking the shit out of each other with a war as we are swept away with a massive tsunami wave as the apes climbed the trees and survived
        Seriously when we cannot even do the simple thing like removing all the plastic from supermarket shopping it’s all bull poo
        No point in destroying an industry only to import the same produce with added carbon footprints
        Much of our imports come in on ships that use even more polluting fuel than aircraft cars or even the energy needed to power an electric vehicle
        Of course the greens have no solution to this apart from vilifie anyone who dose not get down with the programme
        And just think of all those toxic batteries to dispose of and the EMISSIONS FROM PRODUCING THEM

        the reckon nuclear fusion is the only solution as wind wave and solar are not ideal
        Especially with our climate
        But why not use the technology to clean the carbon emissions from fossil fuels?
        But thanks to Biden they closed the only coal burning power station in the USA that was using the technology to remove the carbon emissions
        There has been some attempts to clean emissions from coal plants many failures as well but China is making inroads into making fossil fuels clean and conversions of power plants like Drax poweplant in the UK into bio mass is showing it can be done
        But all we hear about is ban fossil fuels and maybe exist with non stop power outages as no way have we got replacements yet .
        As we do this we expand the need of electricity to power data centres which consume 25% of our available needs while destroying agriculture as they need to reduce carbon emissions from agriculture to grow food
        Meanwhile we expand the airline industry with needless travel and continue importing all our needs to satisfy globalised multinational needs
        Which sadly has led to our dependence on China India USA for our survival

        It’s time globalisation was stopped and we manufactured in our own countries what we need to live with

        As for the climate we have7 years to get our act togeather
        If not by 2030 it’s looking like not one city on the coast will survive 12 metre waves according to the climate gurus like Eamonn (heat pump slow down your car and get on a bike ) Ryan

        1. Nigel

          We do have alternatives. We just didn’t bother implementing them in time and now it’s the crunch.

  14. SailorGerry

    Nigel, I am rather an avid gardener and quite often use peat as a soil amendment.

    Something then gets planted in the improved soil, which then grows, and absorbs CO2 through out the tree, shrub or plants life cycle. The peat in its new home does not suddenly give off CO2, it is just located in a different place.

    I have always used Irish peat products and it a shame they will no longer be available.

    To drive 3600 tons of peat, 3000km from Latvia is bonkers, when we have plenty of it, and it highlights the lunacy of current green thinking in Ireland.

    https://gript.ie/clueless-anger-as-200-truckloads-of-peat-imported-from-latvia/

    1. Nigel

      Well, you sholdn’t because it’s being extracted from bogs which are a depleted and shrinking part of our environment despite their crucial importance.

      We shouldn’t be using peat from Latvia either, they need thier bogs, too.

  15. V aka Frilly Keane

    If Helen McEntee has her young fellah in a creche
    lemme tell ye
    no matter what’s going
    even nappy rash
    he’s bringing it back home to his Mammy

    Seriously folks, sometimes tis just the normal everyday living
    day to day
    and its nothing elaborate complicated convoluted or conspiratorial

    Take yere heads out of the Internet for a bit
    and get some real face to face experiences

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