‘The Mask Is Off And People Know’



An injured Palestinian boy in a Gaza hospital yesterday.


Irishwoman Elaine Bradley is working as a human rights activist in Palestine where she sent us this report this morning.

Elaine writes:

Waking up I turn on my laptop to see what has happened in the while I slept. I am almost instantly hit by an image. I can’t make out if it is one body ripped in two, or two bodies, both missing a number of parts.

By the clothes on one, I am guessing it it is a young man – jeans and a belt that my son might wear. The human remains are against a wall in a pool of blood, draped over with blood soaked sheets. The photo is taken in a hospital, and is accompanied by the bizarre scene of the twisted metal of hospital beds in the total wreckage of what was a ward.

My friend who posted this image declares that he has a policy of not posting gruesome photos, a policy that he has now abandoned. Why? Because “This is the hospital that Israel shelled today… But the BBC felt it was better use of our license fee money to have [reporter]  John Simpson show us a broken chandelier in Sderot instead.”

Five  people were killed and 70 injured in this place of healing, where men and women work, dedicating their lives to comfort and to mend other sick and broken human beings. I think of my daughter who is a nurse. Hospitals have special status, special protection under international law, as they should. Bombing a hospital is a war crime.

And yet this is the second hospital that Israel has bombed that I am aware of in the two weeks of this onslaught, where one of the world’s most sophisticated military machines has pitted itself against a locked in, half starved civilian population.

Where are the international community? Where are the guardians of the laws demanding that this stop? Yesterday I saw Navi Pillay, High Commissioner for Human Rights with the UN on television. It was in Arabic so I didn’t know what she said. I went to the internet and found her statement.

The bit that jumped out and slapped me in the face was where she expressed her “concern”. Concern? I am concerned about things like the size of my phone bill and whether my cat has settled in to her new home. Concern for Gaza, where now over 570 people have been killed, 80% civilians, last count 132 of them children. Over 3,500 people injured and maimed – a 5 year old with her legs amputated, Concerned? What about outraged? Appalled? Horrified?

The UN are concerned and the mask is off. This latest holocaust against Gaza has exposed a world where our media lie, and spin the truth. Where craven politicians will not stand against power – John Kerry saying Israeli is besieged by Hamas- do I laugh or cry? My own government repeating the zombie mantra about Israel’s right to defend itself as they watch women and children buried in the rubble of their own homes.

And all the while Israel continues its colonisation of Palestine, settling jews from Eastern Europe and the Bronx on land that is not theirs, criminalising – labelling as terrorists the rightful owners, to make their misdeeds acceptable to a willing-to-be-appeased-just-give-us-the-right-soundbite global audience.

Say “Hamas” often enough and no one will notice. Exposed is a world where the institutions of human rights and justice offer platitudes but no action and hold yet another emergency meeting, having never implemented the recommendations of the last report, or the one before, as to do so would “jeopardise the peace process” according to the US and Israel. The Fucking Peace Process?

And while the UN frowns a collective bureaucratic, high salaried, important people in suits doing important things frown of concern, a friend of mine is pulling out the stops, navigating Israel’s impenetrable system of closure to get baby formula into Gaza. From the complications, it is as if he were smuggling crack cocaine inside AK47s.

I haven’t had my coffee yet, haven’t woken up. But I swear, that I will turn my rage into action for justice. Israel cannot once again evade accountability for these crimes. And to all the institutions that have collaborated in this gross injustice, by repeating the lies or by looking the other way, you will crumble and fall. The mask is off and people know.

We have seen that in your system human rights are not for everyone, that one life is precious and another is less than insignificant. We have seen that not all children are treasures to be cherished and childhood is not a sacred space for all children. We have seen that in your world it is ok for homes and places of worship and hospitals to become the killing zones, the tombs of innocent people. We have seen how liars and psychopaths with power are bowed down to. But justice will prevail because now we, the people know.

Elaine Bradley.


212 thoughts on “‘The Mask Is Off And People Know’

  1. the good helen

    that is such a sad image. I know the boy is alive. But the fear in him is so sad. He is hanging on to that man for dear life, he’s afraid to be let go. I can tell from how my son holds me when he fears something. My heart goes out to each and every man, woman and child that have to go through this. its shocking what is happening, and I really do shed a tear for those injured or killed daily.

    1. inotherwords

      You can read about the boy in this photo’s story here http://electronicintifada.net/content/boy-who-clung-paramedic-story-behind-photo/13604. I’m imagining the photo Elaine refers to is a lot grimer.

      This article also shows the amazing work being done by medical staff, especially ambulance drivers. Its incredible to think that ambulances go out to the site of a shelling while the bombing continues – they deserve to be treated as heroes for their bravery and their tireless, selfless work, and yet …

  2. Sidewinder

    Anyone doubting this would want to follow the International Red Cross on twitter. Hospitals are being directly targeted, this is inexcusable.

    1. Downtowntrain

      Following almost anything Gaza related on twitter is harrowing. Atrocity upon atrocity. No amount of surgical spin can counter those images. Sickening.

  3. Jim Deasy

    Where is our great socialist president Micheal D now a guy who waffeled for so may years about the plight of Palistin.

    1. Paul

      Well done Jim. You win dumbest comment of the day. Quite the achievement on Broadsheet I’m sure everyone will agree.

  4. D

    Unfortunately, what’s new in this? I’d love to believe that “the mask is off”, and that now something will be done about this, but what evidence is there to suggest that that’s the case?

    Israel has been oppressing the Palestinians for decades, and all the evidence that I can see suggests that this is to continue for decades more. We’ve all known about it for a long time. Everyone who might do anything about this already knows, and has known for years, about Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.

    We can at least be proud that in Ireland, even if we are more or less powerless to affect real change, we condemn Israel more widely and more strongly than most in the western world.

    1. scottser

      stop being so fatalistic. go and boycott, email, engage, debate, demonstrate and protest instead.

      1. Liam

        I agree, Scottser – if each of us did a little bit. i called CNN and asked why their coverage was so biased, I attended a pro -Gaza ( not pro-Hamas) rally in montclair yesterday. I attended our city meeting and asked them to pass a resolution condemning what was happening and, oh, I called the Israeli Tourist office in Jerusalem and told them I would visit when they stopped murdering Palestinian children.

      1. D

        Agreed. Not to mention the apparently intentional targeting of hospitals (which is a war crime for which people should, but won’t, rot in jail).

        @scottser: I reserve the right to do both simultaneously, thanks.

          1. ReproBertie

            Hamas should not be storing rockets in empty UN schools. Now, are you happy? Can we continue comdemning the sytematic murder of children?

            The IDF know they will kill children but they don’t care because they know there are idiots like you who can’t wait to jump up and try to blame someone else for the murders they commit.

          2. ReproBertie

            Well done you and your whataboutery.

            Boil it down and what you’re saying is that the IDF are entirely justified in firing flechette shells into a densely populated area resulting in over 100 dead children because Hamas are bad.

          3. Smashmouth

            Ehhh no

            read what i said fool:

            “No blame on Hamas for firing rockets from hospitals and schools then?”

            i.e. Hamas also have to be held accountable

          4. jungleman

            D4N is correct. There may be an element of inconsistency in criticism of Israel if that same person does not also criticise Hamas. But the extent to which Israel is responsible for the Gaza death toll is so overwhelming that your “Hamas are also blameworthy” point is a total fallacy.

          5. ReproBertie

            And how great does it make you feel to have made a point that everybody knows but didn’t think required saying since Hamas are not the ones using fighter jets, missiles, tanks and ground troops to murder children?

            Yeah, I’m the idiot.

          6. Sidewinder

            Just how many of these threads do you plan on dropping your “Don’t you think Hamas are bad?” posts on? At some point, will you follow your own advice and criticise Israel?

          7. James

            So, on the 4th of July Americans celebrate liberation day, the French revolution is seen as a positive turning point in history, we Irish ourselves pride ourselves on our resistance over the years to British colonization. All these “upstarts” (aka revolutionaries) fought for their rights, for their homes.

            Now we have the word “terrorist” to bandy around, much like the word “communism” was used for years in the states to undermine any sort of social agenda as opposed to corporate. Now this Hamas group are terrorists, while the fireworks go off on the 4th of July to celebrate a famous revolution, the people in that country, free thanks to yesterdays “terrorists” (as the english would surely have thought of them) are frowning at a few brave men trying to fight for their rights.

            Are we offering any alternative to Hamas? Is the UN doing it’s best to protect them? Are the US threatening an embargo for infringement of human rights? Is anybody doing anything to make sure that Palestine’s borders are being respected and their lands are not being robbed? Is the world press doing it’s bit? I think not. So these desperate men turn to desperate measures, like many desperate men in the past, desperate men now remembered as heroes for doing exactly what Hamas are attempting today.

            What are you holding them accountable for? Standing up for themselves? We all admire David in the David and Goliath stories….except for this occasion.

            The US rushed in to help Kuwait (help was surely the motive right?) but don’t lift a finger here if not to supply the Israeli war machine?

            How dare you point the finger at the poor man trying to defend his home, his people and his rights when our countries, privileged thanks to men just like them from our past, are doing absolutely nothing to give them an alternative!

          8. carl

            James I couldn’t of put it better, in fact if i tried i would have failed miserably. I’ve have been saying this to people for the longest of whiles, terrorism is subjective, it depends what side of the border you are looking from. Us the British, would have considered your founding fathers, terrorist, rebels and anarchist but today the USA is heralded as the father of free nations because of what these terrorist did.

  5. Mark

    Just with regard to BBC’s lack of reporting on the operation.
    Would it be antisemitic to say the BBC’s director of news and current affairs James Harding is Jewish and pro-israel?

    1. ahyeah

      That would just be stating the facts, nothing else. There’s been a massive change in how the BBC news covers Israel since Harding took over. And, you’ll note, BBC no longer uses any freelance or independent correspondents in the Middle East since he got the job – outsiders aren’t as quick to toe the line.

    2. Rob_G

      If you’re making a presumption as to his political beliefs based purely on the fact that he is Jewish – maybe a little, yes.

      1. Planet of the Missing Biros

        No. It’s not. Jewish people are loyal to their faith above all other loyalties including their country of residence. Just like Irish Catholics and the Vatican.

        But many Jewish people are not in support of the Israeli state and how it is run. Their voice is silenced by other wealthy Jews who own huge swathes of the international media and use that for their own propaganda.

        1. Starina

          ahem; not all Jews are religious Jews — it’s an ethnicity as well. Just sayin’. But yes, I agree, many Jews are appalled by the actions of the Israeli occupation and are embarrassed to be associated with such a thing. Myself included.

    3. ahjayzis

      It’s not antisemitic to say he’s pro-Israel if he’s pro-Israel.

      His religion is irrelevant though, unless you want to ban anyone from news orgs who is a Jew from reporting on Israel on the balance of probability that they’re Zionists. Yeah you can say you’re more likely to be pro-Israel if you are Jewish, but the fact he’s Jewish alone isn’t a determining factor on bias.

      1. Kolmo

        The BBC news on Sunday evening decided to broadcast a report on artifacts that are being stolen from the former Auschwitz Concentration Camp by visitors, while this is not a pleasant development for anyone concerned, in the current horrific situation the timing of this broadcast seemed to me to be odd.

  6. Brian S

    I really dislike Israelis. They are so self important and filled with the state sanctioned entitlement that America helps fuel. They really are arse holes.

    1. John Price

      I just followed your link! she is quite the little fascist, Only a jew could can get away with language like that! If a British Muslim came anywhere close to that sort of hate mongering, he/she would be jailed in a flash, and rightly so. I freely and openly declare that I dislike and distrust jews, but I would never stoop to advocate what she does.

  7. Drogg

    Well said Elaine now if we could only motivate the UN to do what they are supposed to do and protect people. Also will the Israeli PM be arrested the next time he lands in a European airport, as he is a war criminal, he has met all the definitions.

    1. ahjayzis

      Impossible when you have a security council that consists of at least one backer of whatever atrocity/war/outrage that happens in the world.

      Israel – American veto
      Syria – Russian Veto
      N.Korea – Chinese Veto

      UN does a good job in humanitarian aid, completely bloody useless in actually preventing/stopping a crisis.

      1. Medium Sized C

        I feel like you are ignoring all the effective work the UN has done in conflict resolution all over the world because of issues with the security council in 2 conflicts and … erm…. North Korea.

        1. Drogg

          Don’t forget it’s piss poor responses in the Balklans conflicts, Sudan, CAR oh and Rwanda.

  8. phil

    I saw Jon Snow C4news , interviewing Israeli youth on the news last night, shocking how on message they were, this conflict is not going away anytime soon …

    1. bisted

      …the chorus of zion that comment on here seem to be stangely absent today…could it be that even they have developed a sense of shame. They were here to a man yesterday skulking behind the considerable bulk of that shameless contrarian Hook.

  9. shitferbrains

    Powerful stuff. But applicable to most, if not all, war zones sadly. Assad killed 700 people yesterday and I’m sure their bodies looked just as horrendous , but journalism seems to have abandoned them.

    1. Medium Sized C


      However, its worth noting that you are referring to a Civil War, with two sides, as if it is one sided aggression by Assad against the people.
      Which is also a narrative imposed on us by partisan media.

      Syria is a conflict where sides were picked at square one, which makes your post kind of ironic.

      1. shitferbrains

        Syria began as a military assault by Assad on unarmed street protests and only later drew in armed factions. And Elaine is a spokesperson for PCHR – a very anti-Israel NGO – not just a human rights activist.

        1. Medium Sized C

          I’m not sure if you are disagreeing with me or not.

          Neither of those things are really all that relevant in the context.

        2. Elaine

          I am not and never have been a spokesperson for PCHR. You label PCHR, a leading and internationally acclaimed human rights organisation as anti-Israeli. But then that is what this is all about isn’t it? As I said, the mask has fallen, and I am calling you out as the liar and spinner of deceit that you are.

    2. Anne

      “Powerful stuff. But applicable to most, if not all, war zones..”

      Let’s just call it ‘war’ and the more powerful aggressor can do whatever they like to the minority.. ‘coz, ‘they’re at war’ like.

  10. HappyDub

    I’m actually beginning to worry for Israel, I mean, if they keep this up… and I’m really hopeful it doesn’t come to this… but they could end up receiving….. A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER from the UN.

    Oh the humanity :(

      1. HappyDub

        That ad must have been removed, all I see is a crappy Hercules ad. Either way, incredibly sad/frustrating stuff.

  11. JunkFace

    The UN needs to step in, in Gaza. They need boots on the ground and sanctions to keep the Israeli army out. If this was happening anywhere else in the world there would be massive outrage. Imagine over 300 civilian deaths from Military attacks and bombings in for example Italy. Its Mental! The world has become desensitized to some extent to this conflict. Palestinians are not being treated as equal humans by the UN and of course Israel. and the US.

    1. Sysiphus

      What I don’t understand is that if Gaza / Palestine has its own Government and is seen as a State, then surely the Isralies going in is an invasion by any standards and not jus an “incursion” as reported by the media….

      1. Lorcan Nagle

        Palestine is not a recognised state at present, they applied to the UN for full recognition in 2011 and currently have observer status.

  12. Tony the Toy Gur

    Hamas use schools and hospitals to launch rockets from. IDF reciprocate fire to the source. It’s a mess.

      1. shitferbrains

        It is. As is the evidence that Egypt has given Israel the green light for this assault, because they hate Hamas as much, if not more, than Israel.

        1. jungleman

          Israeli spin merchants use words such as “unfortunate”, “terrorists”, “human shields”, “war”, etc. to distort the reality of what is happening in Palestine and to paint a picture that Palestine and Israel are on some kind of even footing.

        2. jungleman

          It was predicted that Egypt would be partisan weeks ago. This is no surprise, and I really doubt any person supporting the Israeli bombardment of Palestine would consider this fact to be “unfortunate”. The Israelis took advantage of this when they claimed Egypt had attempted to broker a cease-fire when it appears the Egyptians had not communicated properly with Hamas at all.

    1. ahjayzis

      Important note: Hamas rockets don’t hit schools and hospitals in Israel – 90 odd percent of the time they don’t hit anything or are intercepted. Gaza doesn’t have an Iron Dome.

      I abhore Hamas’ tactics, but I can’t say I wouldn’t be militant as hell if I grew up in that penal colony. Imagine the British using Israel’s tactics in Belfast at the height of the IRA bombing campaign – it’s completely disproportionate, self defeating and ultimately genocidal. They need to face consequences.

      1. Tony the Toy Gur

        There’s much more to Hamas than firing low tech rockets at Israel. They prevented civilians in Gaza using the special hospitals the IDF set up on perimeter of Gaza. They prevented evacuations of target sites when they knew IDF were going to strike. Hamas are much worse than Israel. While Israel are trying to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas are encouraging it. It’s sick.

        1. Medium Sized C

          You cannot avoid civilian casualties when you bomb hospitals and beaches with kids on them.

          I can’t stress that enough.
          You are literally contradicting yourself.

          1. Tony the Toy Gur

            That’s one of those myths that never goes away. Israelis have been buying land from Palestinians for years.

          2. ReproBertie

            If Hamas were firing rockets at me I’d consider sitting down with them and asking them why they felt the need to fire rockets at me. Then, once they’ve given their reasons, I’d try to engage in a discussion that might result in actions to alleviate their grievances. I’m pretty sure that approach would avoid the need for bombing hospitals and murdering children.

          3. ReproBertie

            Start by trying. Compromise & negotiation is much more acceptable than child murder.

          4. Jess

            “Israelis have been buying land from Palestinians for years.”

            Hahahahahah. oahhahahahaha.

            That was good, thanks.

        2. jeremy kyle

          When you live somewhere that densely populated there’s no way to avoid civilian casualties, if they’re being prevented from evacuating then the Israeli military know this too and don’t care. Their ruthless approach isn’t going to solve anything, you can’t stamp out a terrorist group by obliterating civilians.

        3. James

          Oh come on, Israel are paying for the land? Oh fair enough so, “bombs away” as they say eh?
          At this stage do England get to rule over the south of spain? I mean the english have been buying land there for years!

      2. Medium Sized C

        How is it self -defeating though.
        There are no consequences for them. They win every time.

        Also it isn’t genocidal. The word genocide has a meaning.
        This is horrific but it is not an attempt at the systematic murder of an ethnic group with the goal of eradication of that group.

        I agree with the rest though. The main thing though is, you really shouldn’t bomb hospitals for any reason. You cannot bomb hospitals and not hit civilians.

        1. ahjayzis

          Because when you murder a child’s family, destroy their home, blight their childhood with violence, poverty and fear, that child will grow up to hate you, and Hamas will be waiting with training and weapons.

          Every civilian they kill will breed a dozen new militants out for revenge.

          The word genocide isn’t restricted to total annihilation of an ethnic group, or even having that aim – The UN defines it simply as “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.” You’re thinking of ethnic cleansing.

        2. f_lawless

          @Medium sized C – you should rethink your definition of what constitutes “genocide”
          – if you want to align yourself with international law that is.
          I think a,b and c are all true in the Palestinian case.
          “Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
          (a) Killing members of the group;

          (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

          (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

          (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

          (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. “

    2. barry

      Have you any evidence Hamas use schools and hospitals to launch rockets from?

      This is just IDF spin to justify their decades long campaign of terror against Palestinian civilians.

      1. Sidewinder

        Tbf, it’s not. UNWRA have discovered rockets in two of their schools this week alone.

  13. JunkFace

    I know Hamas do this kind of thing every couple of years, using their own people as human shields and its disgusting. They know how to create a generation of Martyrs, they know how Israel will react. Its a downward spiral.

    1. Jess

      The human shield argument is redundant. Gaza is an incredibly tightly packed urban area, Hamas cannot fire from anything other than a civilian area which is then spun into ‘human shields’.

      Israel have been far more blatant about their own use of human shields



          1. droid

            WTF? No, no it doesnt, nowhere even close. The population density of Dublin is 2,950 per sq mile. Pop density of Gaza is 9,713 per sq mile.

            Got any more nuggets of wisdom?

        1. Tony the Toy Gur

          If you divide population by the area of Dublin city you get about 4,588 / sq.km. For Gaza it is 5,016 / sq.km. Very similar population densities.

          1. droid

            Ans again youre distorting the figures. if you wish to limit this to Dublin City only (which obv has a far higher pop density than Dublin county), then fine. Gaza city has a population density of 9,982.69/km², twice that of Dublin city.

  14. jungleman

    I believe that the Israeli policy is to keep the Palestinians in their current state of destitution. They destroy what little infrastructure there is with bombardments, justifying this on the basis of self-defence. The Palestinians endure and rebuild. Then Israel repeats the process.

    Can’t let those pesky Arabs get ahead of themselves.

  15. aubrey

    All Jews and Israelis who are not coming out to condemn this are complicit. Boycott Israeli and Jewish businesses that do not come out and condemn these actions. Think actors, movie studios, as well as products and brands.

    1. ahjayzis

      That’s a disgraceful remark. People like you give credence to the idea that the rest of us who are disgusted by Israel’s aggression are anti-semitic neo-Nazi’s.

      Learn the difference between Jews and Israelis, or maybe we’ll boycott all Anglican businesses in the world in protest at Britain’s involvement in Iraq.


      1. aubrey

        No need for name-calling, or maybe that’s just how you were brought up. A better analogy would be all Muslims coming out to condemn terrorism in the name of Islam. The atrocities are being perpetrated in the name of Israel AND Judaism. I am neither anti-semetic nor Neo-nazi. I’m Jewish. Good day to you.

        1. ahjayzis

          Yes I was brought up to mock idiocy, well observed.
          How about all Christians of all denominations coming out to condemn child abuse?

          It all amounts to tarring them all with one brush and that does in fact make you either an idiot or wantonly anti-semitic.

  16. Brian S

    Wow. Even broadsheet censor anti Israeli views if they even mention the word Jew? Total loss of respect and credibility

  17. Dermot Kelly

    Thanks to Elaine Bradley for a well needed ray of hope. Perhaps there’s a real prospect now that civilian rage will trump the limp “concern” of our “leaders”. The penny is finally starting to drop in the battle for hearts and minds… It’s time for a citizen-led crippling boycott of Israel.

    1. James

      So while you condemn anti semitism, how do feel about Islamaphobia or anti-Arabism? They’re ok are they?

  18. or

    If the all world knew a little bit more about the HAMAS, they would know that:
    1. They are using children as HUMAN SHIELD
    2. They are hidden tons of missiles under schools and under hospitals (in that way they are safe from being hit by Israeli defense forces -who don’t want to harm innocent people)
    3.Every half an hour and even less Hamas firing missiles toward Israel – for some cities in Israel that’s been going on since the year 2000 every day. Every day!!!

    In 2005, Israel handed the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians and uprooted Israeli residents from their homes in order to make peace with the Palestinians, but instead Hamas takes advantage of these areas to build underground tunnels and launch thousands of missiles into Israel every day.

    4. Israeli soldiers will never harm innocent people.
    5. Millions of dollars are transferred to Hamas and Gaza for years to start building schools and homes, but instead they invested the money for digging and building tunnels between Gaza to nearest Israeli cities for doing a terrorist attacks and for Kidnap civilians and soldiers.
    6. This was our land before they came to this region as work immigrants from Syria and Egypt long ago before 1946 and before 1850. So they should start to be realistic and accept the fact that they should live with us and make a good life for themselves and for us instead of living in misery and bloodship as they choose to live now. Stop the fanatic stupidity
    7. For years Israel supplies to Gaza electricity ,gas, water… even now on this crazy days.. On the other hand Egypt doesn’t want to supply them anything…

    Before all the world want to judge Israel try to understand the facts.



    1. Drogg

      This is all lies.

      Firstly even if hamas had tons of missiles
      Israel Dropped 100tons of explosives on there first day of this new offensive.

      Here is a Israeli sniper killing a man digging for relatives in the rubble

      here is israeli solders dragging a father from his childs arms for getting water

      here they are holding children at gunpoint

  19. or

    This is a fake!
    Most of Hamas video are fake and well editing for the world channel news like BBC and CNN

    Just a small example from the kind of people we dealing with

    That’s how they raise their children
    “Early childhood care and education is a good investment”

    Hamas to kids: Shoot all the Jews‏:

    1. ReproBertie

      “or” you said “Israeli soldiers will never harm innocent people” so what were the 151 children killed by the IDF since July 8th (to say nothing of the hundreds injured) guilty of?

    2. Drogg

      or i am an editor and a pretty good one at that hamas videos are not well edited and are not fake as you put it. you seem delusional or are you being payed to defend Israels actions?

  20. Gary

    There was a chance of peace and a truce recently. One side said yes and one said no. And we all know which is which. Anyone fancy explaining why (in the face of “genocide”), that side said no?

    Ultimately, one group disarming brings about the chance for peaceful negotiations over many issues. The other side disarming brings the likely destruction of that side. I’m sure you all know which side is which.

    1. droid

      Wait, what? What fantasy world do you live in? Are you referring to the Egyptian ceasefire deal which was announced BEFORE Hamas were even notified of its existence?

      Im deeply disappointed in the quality of pro-Israel argument around here. There’s some serious barrel scraping going on.

      1. Gary

        There were two attempted cease fire proposals. The one you refer to is the second one. The first was roundly rejected by Hamas.

        Oh, and any counter points for the second paragraph?

        1. droid

          Er, no. Youve got it the wrong way around. Hamas have rejected a second ceasefire deal, for obvious reasons – like every other ceasefire it means ‘calm’ for Israel and continued suffering for Gaza and the West bank. kinda like every ceasefire or agreement since forever.

          Comments on the second paragraph? I was being tactful , but to put it bluntly, its a steaming pile of nonsense that completely ignores the last 40 years of history.

          1. ReproBertie

            Didn’t Hamas propose a completely ignored 10 year truce while the IDf ground forces were preparing?

          2. droid

            They’ve proposed it at least 3 times now, starting in 2008, but the facts are irrelevant. They are evil and want to destroy Israel.

          3. Gary

            Well the only answer you seem to have is that Hamas just have to “win” via violence – they have made it clear multiple times that they will never accept Israel so this is the only other outcome.

          4. droid

            lol. No, the ‘answer’ is that the single ceasefire deal rejected by Hamas was drafted by its bitter enemies and does not take any of their concerns into account.

            Also mentioned is the fact the Hamas has offered various deals and ceasefires on several occasions to have them unilaterally rejected by Israel.

            And might I add, that the formation of the recent unity government explicitly included a statement recognising the ‘right’ of israel to exist and recognitions of past agreements, as they have agreed implicitly for years in the case of Hamas, and decades in the case of PLO/Fatah.

    2. James

      A ceasefire calls for both parties needs to be taken into account. What you’re saying is that because Israel is capable of killing more effectively, then the other side is wrong to refuse any ceasefire initiatives, regardless of the conditions or lack thereof.
      Why would they refuse? Well maybe you can look up what happened when the same proposal was made and then disregarded in 2012.
      Maybe you should reflect on the fact that John Kerry distanced himself from the same said proposal.

      It’s not so simple as, “they have bigger guns so why refuse them”. These people are fighting for their rights and cannot cave in because they’ve been bullied.
      Reflect on the fact that Israel started this bombing as retaliation for a kidnap/murder. Can you imagine that being accepted in any part of the modern world? When ETA set off a bomb in Madrid how did the Spanish authorities react? Did they raze suspects houses to the ground? Did they declare they were going to “unleash hell” on the Basque region of Spain? Can you imagine the outrage if they had done so?
      It’s absolutely ridiculous to suggest that this bombing is anybody’s responsibility other than that of the perpetrator.

      1. Gary


        Yes, Hamas truly do want to recognize Israel’s right to exist.


        So this shower (Hamas) wants Israel to simply trust them despite their seeming willingness to continue with rocket fire and place their own civilians at risk? With this statement, they are essentially saying to Israel “We aren’t planning to stop so you might as well wipe us out”. Sure, they’ll get plenty of the “right on brigade” behind them worldwide however, EVERYONE loses in this case.

        C’mon….. try to spin this to make it Israel’s fault. I’m sure you’ll give it a go anyway.

        Or, perhaps do a more useful thing – you guys should be rallying behind the local Gaza population to have Hamas ousted. This is probably the only way forward and would be best for all parties (except the illegitimate Hamas).

        1. James

          So you’ve clearly set out with a fixed idea and will do nothing to consider that you may be mis-informed.
          Have you ever taken the time to look up the reasons for not recognising Israel?
          You do know that these people found themselves practically invaded right?
          You know that a mass expulsion took place where over 200000 arabs were forced from their homes in 1948?
          Do you know that there is a Zionist belief that Jewish lives are worth more than Arab lives?
          It’s not about “spinning”, it’s simply about learning a bit of history.
          There is a book called “The Invention of the Jewish People”, it’s written by an Israeli professer who works in Tel Aviv, I doubt you’re going to read it, but at least take the time to Google it.

          Finally, you do know that ETA doesn’t recognise Spain as it’s rulers right? Ever see the Spanish bomb the basque regions? Want to hazzard a guess as to why?

  21. Leonard Church

    You do realize that Hamas is firing/storing rockets in the hospitals, using them like human shields. So when Israel takes out the rockets people like you freak out. Congratulations, you are doing exactly what the terrorists want you to do.

    1. Spartacus

      Or, your loyalty to the motherland is commendable. I don’t doubt for a moment your very real sense of patriotism, nor your allegiance to your tribe. But seriously, Or…have you started to shave yet? Don’t they have any real history books in your yeshiva? Have you been introduced to the notion of critical thinking?

      1. OR

        By the way I’m a girl.
        Luckily I do not have to shave (-:

        (but If the extreme Hayslmm takes over the world then you might not even know who Women are because women did not Considered in Arab world
        they Are inferior )

        I serve in the Israeli army

        We do not want to harm innocent civilians

        But Hamas hurts us every day he sends missiles at Israel
        Hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel

        Do you know what it is to live each day as they launch missiles at you?
        Without any warning?

        ISRAEL provides them
        concrete, electricity, Gas, water, food, Medical Equipment
        And instead build themselves they use the money and all the materials
        for terrorism and building Bombs
        Gaza could be somewhere else today
        But they choose to destroy!!
        Once they are disarmed
        Israel stops all well.

        ISRAEL wants PEACE!

        But the Palestinians do not want peace with us

        1. James

          so what you’re saying is they’re peaceful bombs? Right….interesting.

          Ever wonder why no other country has ever adopted this tactic to deal with terrorists?

          What do you think would have happened if England had decided to bomb west Belfast after Canary Wharf?
          What would happen if after an ETA bombing, the Spanish go and drop bigger bombs in the basque regions?

          Can you imagine why there are terrorists in the first place? Do you think it may be because hundreds of thousands of Arabs were simply forced from their homes in order to create the state of Israel? How were treated when you got there?
          Israelis like to talk about the fact that they were attacked by the Arab nations in ’48, they talk less about the forced exodus that proceded it.

          I can understand that you’ve grown up being taught one side of the argument, I don’t think you’ll change your mind and I don’t judge you for that.
          But please, please don’t be so blind as to think your government wants the peace that most Israelis would like. If they did, they would behave like any other nation in the face of terrorists, instead they become terrorists themselves, more efficient terrorists, better armed terrorists. Armed not just with bigger weapons but also with a legitamacy that skates on thin ice, weakened by the numerous breaches of human rights.

          You need to ask yourself what makes these men so desperate.

          1. or

            Its obvious clear that you like the rest of the world
            Like the approach of
            “Eyes Wide Shut …”

            Well… read some history and learn that this land belonged to Israel long ago.
            Even in the Koran It says that this land belongs to Israel.

            Israel wants peace
            There are 1,3000,000 Arab people that live in Israel and are citizens of israel like me
            And we all living, working and run a normal life.

            The Palestinians people had many chances to build up their lives
            And to live side by side together with us peacefully .

            But they choose not.

            They don’t want us here.
            They don’t want us in the world

            So I’m sorry, but we are not going anywhere.
            We don’t have any other place.

            Best regards,

          2. James

            good man Bob, what an enlightening reply, now see the difference is right there. West Belfast is a catholic area, much like the bogside in Derry, but the English, for all their defects never stooped to bombing them because “they have terrorists”.

            The same goes for Spain and the Basque regions as you so conveniently decided not to comment on.

            But by all means, intervene in Ukraine where those pesky Russians are at it again!

            You sir have fallen hook line and sinker for decades of propaganda and tripe churned out by a “nation” trying to justify itself.

            For the record, the first troubles in the middle east date back to post WWII, Hamas exists since 1987….but sure, tell yourself it’s their fault, I’m that’s much easier than admitting that you’ve been on the wrong side all these years.
            Maybe you’re one of those Americans who complains about Obamacare while being quite happy about billions of your taxpayers dollars being sent over annually to support Israels military.

            You really have some neck calling anyone a sheep!

          3. James

            Or, so you’re now resorting to a land that was, somewhere around 500bc???

            If we’re going to delve into ancient history you should know that the Egyptians actually ruled Israel before you (if you’re going for ‘first come first serve’) and that the Arabs ruled it for longer than you (if you want to go for the who was there the longest angle)
            Of course your argument is ridiculous, if you were to apply it to the rest of the world could you imagine the unrest? The USA would have to tell it’s citizens that they don’t actually have a claim to their country, Australia would go back to the aborigine, New Zealand to the Maori….do you see where this might go?
            Israel like basically every other country in the world, through the ages passed from one rule to another, one Empire to another.
            You may want to read some history yourself, you’ll find that your ancestors left over the ages through natural diaspora that happened over a prolonged period of time, and are now all over the world as a result. (this was written by an Israeli, Shlomo Sand btw, before you try to dismiss it as lies or propaganda)
            History is often written by the victors dear Or, but don’t believe a one sided story.
            It may surprise you that I started out, years ago, fully believing the Israeli version of things. However, due to personal experiences and travels I’ve dug deeper. It was in reading writings from Jews and Israelis who are against the zionist movement that I came to the conclusion that something is seriously wrong with the “official” version of events.
            The long and the short of it is that many of the Jews who went to Israel in the 19th century were descendants of converted Europeans, and have no more claim on the land than converted catholics around the world would have on the Vatican.
            It must be hard for you as you are serving in the army, but look beyond the ridiculous version of events that you have been fed. It’s much more complicated than you’ve been told.

  22. Gavan

    ex-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s son, Gilad, wrote in The Jerusalem Post: “To accomplish victory, you need to achieve what the other side can’t bear. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.”

  23. OR

    By the way I’m a girl.
    Luckily I do not have to shave (-:

    (but If the extreme Hayslmm takes over the world then you might not even know who Women are because women did not Considered in Arab world
    they Are inferior )

    I serve in the Israeli army

    We do not want to harm innocent civilians

    But Hamas hurts us every day he sends missiles at Israel
    Hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel

    Do you know what it is to live each day as they launch Hundreds of missiles at you?
    Without any warning?

    ISRAEL provides them
    concrete, electricity, Gas, water, food, Medical Equipment
    And instead build themselves they use the money and all the materials
    for terrorism and building Bombs
    Gaza could be somewhere else today
    But they choose to destroy!!
    Once they are disarmed
    Israel stops all well.

    ISRAEL wants PEACE!

    But the Palestinians do not want peace with us

  24. bob

    When did Ireland become filled with such wimps and sheep? This is not the Ireland i grew up hearing about. Hamas uses thier OWN children as human shields, when they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. So when Israel defends itself and fires back, Hamas will go, look and see Israel killed our babies, and you sheep will gobble it up and give credence to thier propaganda. Well done! Hamas’s plan is working!

    1. droid

      I think you’l find that in general, the Irish have at least some degree of skepticism when it comes to the propaganda spouted by brutal occupying armies whilst massacring innocent civilians.

      I think its some kind of historic thing.

    2. James

      Well done Bob, buy into a propaganda machine yourself and then criticize others for that exact same thing.
      I’m not the sheep Bob, you are. Learn a bit of History for yourself, and don’t limit your readings to biased journalists and fox news.
      As droid quite rightly pointed out we tend to be a little skeptical when it comes to occupying forces.
      What do expect Bob? That zionist are just going to come straight out and tell you that they want these people to just go away? That they segregated for that very purpose?

      1. bob

        Hamas does not want peace, ever. They will not stop until Israel is wiped off the face of the earth, as declared by them! Plenty of Palestinians live and work peacefully in Israel. They are never threatened with violence by any Israeli. The only threat they have are the rockets and suicide bombers from hamas. Now I’m an openminded, liberal ,irish-american catholic, so please bare with me. What do you think an Isreali chances would be if they went to palastine to live and work peacefuly. Oh wait they can’t, cause they would be kidnapped and killed just like those 3 teenagers were recently.

  25. Lorcan Nagle

    For indivduals, “but they did it too!” ceases to become a valid excuse by the time you turn 10. And yet, we’ve had literal decades of this from both sides of the conflict. There’s so much bad blood at this point that it doesn’t matter who shot first, but rather who’s going to shoot last.

    As someone who has just about no influence in the region, I’d really hope the last shot be concurrent with a peace agreement that leaves both sides relatively happy.

    As an outsider looking in, I can’t help but feel like the Israelis have less to lose from putting aside violence as a response to violence a couple of times than the Palestinians do.

  26. or

    Its obvious clear that you like the rest of the world
    Like the approach of
    “Eyes Wide Shut …”

    Well… read some history and learn that this land belonged to Israel long ago.
    Even in the Koran It says that this land belongs to Israel.

    Israel wants peace
    There are 1,3000,000 Arab people that live in Israel and are citizens of israel like me
    And we all living, working and run a normal life.

    The Palestinians people had many chances to build up their lives
    And to live side by side together with us peacefully .

    But they choose not.

    They don’t want us here.
    They don’t want us in the world

    So I’m sorry, but we are not going anywhere.
    We don’t have any other place.

    Best regards,

  27. or

    Its obvious clear that you like the rest of the world
    Like the approach of
    “Eyes Wide Shut …”

    Well… read some history and learn that this land belonged to Israel long ago.
    Even in the Koran It says that this land belongs to Israel.

    Israel wants peace
    There are 1,3000,000 Arab people that live in Israel and are citizens of israel like me
    And we all living, working and run a normal life.

    The Palestinians people had many chances to build up their lives
    And to live side by side together with us peacefully .

    But they choose not.

    They don’t want us here.
    They don’t want us in the world

    So I’m sorry, but we are not going anywhere.
    We don’t have any other place.

    Best regards,

    The hamas at this right moment launched 12 missiles trowed Tel Aviv and the area ( one of many just today)
    This is not a joke
    Children and all people here are terrified.

      1. jungleman

        I couldn’t even be bothered responding to these blanket postings. Probably someone sitting in the Israel embassy.

    1. James

      there was no peaceful majority in Germany at the beginning of WWII, unfortunately it was a minority. What many don’t like to admit is that Hitler was actually voted in by an overwhelming majority.

      I would agree on throwing away political correctness, that’s absolutely true and should be applied everywhere.
      It’s time to stop calling people who criticize Israel antisemitic!

    1. James

      You’d have to wonder wouldn’t you?

      Nice of them to think that we are all getting our information on here isn’t it?

      Israel, insulting our intelligence since 1946….I think I just designed a t-shirt!

  28. bob

    James, your right, the brits never bombed belfast/northern Ireland, they just sent in the black and tans to terrorize the catholics. Your right again, I watch right wing news, and left wing news and everything inbetween, so I can formulate my OWN opinion and not just one side of the argument. I’m a liberal and I hate obamacare. I believe in hard work and earning what I have. Oh and lets bring at the f’n Zionist propaganda crap that was debunked over a hundred years ago. Isreal doesn’t segregate, there’s no apartheid there either. Cause both arguments are void when the facts are, that plenty of palastinians arabs living freely in Isreal, with all the same rights and protections as the jews there. Take your own advice and get all the sides to the story! Oh wait, you cant you already think you do.

    1. WhoAreYa

      What are you ranting about – you think because you once read a few different news sources that is going to validate your illogical, badly thought out ignorant opinions and idle rants?

      If you had said I’ve read:
      “Chronicles of the elders of Zion”
      “Israel and Palestine: Image and Reality” etc or any other of the relevant books underlining the ideological expression of the combatants in this war we could take your spurious verbiage seriously.

      It appears you have merely watched Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, and once looked over someone’s shoulders who was reading the Nation or the New York Times on the subway. Either that or you’re a writer for the Onion doing a great windup of us all here as a typical know-nothing shouty American.

      1. bob

        Yea yea, my apologies whoareya, you got me down pat. My very first time ever commenting on an article I’ve read online, and it will be my last. I didn’t know I had to list for YOU my required summer reading list, my bad. But you’re the expert here so I defer to you. But the chronicles of zion elders crap was debunked a century ago, (written by a confirmed anti-semite) [which i have read] I still don’t know how that’s a relevant book, but your the expert. Sorry this next part might piss you off, my knowledge comes from asking questions both of jews and palestinians I’ve met and what thier knowledge of the situation is and thier feelings on the matter and a 1000 other questions. Here’s the really wierd part, I do that with anyone I meet from someplace that I want to know more about, which i do a lot, it helps give myself a clearer view of the world around me. But please label me something I’m not, cause that seems to be what your good at. But you got one thing right, I am a shouty M’F’n American, and proud of it, and be happy there are educated white trash Americans like me sticking up for people like you, to make sure you have the right of free speech, to spew your nonsense, at anyone you dont like, cause that’s what we fight for. I got caught up in all this, as its new to me, and critized and insulted people, I’m sorry, it won’t happen again. One last thing, I don’t ride the subway, unless I’m a drinking!

        1. James

          Well Bob, if you’ve spoken to Irish people you’ll know that the Black and Tans were taken out of northern Ireland in an effort to improve things. I have family in the North and have been there during the troubles. As I said there were atrocities, but never at this level.

          Palestinians living peacefully in Israel? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=693653984041010 like these kids?

          That you think Zionism has been debunked over a 100yrs ago is absolutely astounding seeing as members of the Jewish community living in New York came out and criticized them recently.

          I’d love to believe that you’ve looked for both sides of the story, but your comments say otherwise.
          You refer to some propaganda as “evidence” and other propaganda as “crap”…I’m afraid there’re grains of truth on both sides.
          What you need to do in this situation is look to see who gains more? Land, water ways and trade routes have all been taken over by Israel. They’ve left these people with nothing.
          You refer to the 3 youths that were kidnapped and killed, well let me refer to the UN building full of children that was bombed this morning. Israel claimed to have warned them and that Hamas wouldn’t let them leave….pity about the small detail of UN workers present. Do you think that the UN allows it’s buildings to be used by Hamas? Really? Do you know that the Israelis first bombed the building and then the courtyard (that’s where most of the casualties were) where they managed to kill a UN worker.
          Now they’ve gone from certainty to “investigating”…sure, while they investigate the “unfortunate” bombing of a beach with kids playing hide and seek right? How can you refer to 3 youths being murdered as justification for this slaughter?
          You refer to Hamas wanting all Jews dead….well Bob, I think actions speak louder than words, it would seem that Israel is screaming for the death of Arabs at the moment.

        2. James

          America fights for oil Bob, don’t kid yourself. Saddam Hussein was helped into power by America and then taken out when he got too big for his boots. You don’t get to start a fire and then praise yourself for quenching the flames after the damage is done!

          My sister was airlifted out of Monrovia (Liberia), her husband was left there because he was black. The American forces that were supposedly there to protect the civilians of Monrovia from Charles Taylor pulled out with firing a shot. My brother in law was kept in a camp for 24days, the Irish consolate managed to get him free but only after he’d witnessed many murders and atrocities. It never hit the headlines, it never got on TV. Americans probably didn’t even know they had forces there. If Taylor had been beaten the US would surely have taken credit for their involvement, but seeing as he gained ground they upped and ran. You see there’re no oil fields in Liberia….or maybe some people are just more equal than others.

          In Ireland we’re free because we freed ourselves, don’t you dare take any credit for that. There were more Irish involved in the American war of independance than there were Americans involved in Irelands freedom, so if anything you should thank us….the jury’s out on whether you’re welcome or not.

          (oh and finally Bob, grammar is the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you’re shit….you might want to learn some)

          1. keven

            James stop talking u make a ass out of yourself! Can u name 1 oil company that ships oil to the US just one …..iam waiting? None not one ounce of oil comes from the middle east at all. Sorry to bust your bubble on that. How dare u sit there and say US should be thanking Irish. US has been protecting countries like yours for years. Anyone could invaded your courty and the first thing u would do is ask US for help. The reason US didn’t fire a shot over there cause they weren’t fired on. The US are the police of the world sad to say but they are . People like u bitch aboit them but the sign of trouble and u come calling. US has thw worlds most powerful military they have planes that countries can’t see and ships they can’t see if the US was as bad as u say the are they why does every counrty as for help when there in trouble. ….Hamas is asking for US help too showimg pictures of the dies dying and tell US that Israel is horrible. One as a father I would not but my kids in the line of fire if a war was going on I would not have my kids around its sick what there doing over there …..people bitch why a plane was flying over a war zone…my question is why are kids playing in a war zone. Israel is protectin its people they have every right to do that…if someone pokes u again and again your gonna poke back.oh and by the way it was the French that helped in the American war…..and if it wasn’t for the US u would be speakingGerman so your welcome!

          2. droid

            Hmmm… very erudite response there ‘Keven’. To answer a few of your points:

            1. The US imported 727,688 thousand barrels of oil from the gulf last year. I guess youre right to say thats ‘not an ounce’. Its several trillion ounces.

            2. The US has not ‘protected us from invasion’. Nobody has tried to invade us for quite a while now.

            3. Children are ‘playing in a warzone’ for one simple reason – they live there. How you have failed to recognise that Gaza is in fact home to 1.8 million Palestinians is beyond me.

            4. We would not be ‘speaking german’ had the US not entered the war. We would be speaking Russian. In fact, we would not even be speaking Russian as the Russians would have stopped their campaign at the English channel.

            5. Just a general point on the role of the US. If America is so fantastic, why is it that the majority of the planet consistently regards them as the ‘biggest threat to world peace’? http://www.wingia.com/en/services/about_the_end_of_year_survey/global_results/7/33/

          3. keven

            US main supplier of oil is Canada and Mexico and then Venezuela……middlest is barley on that list so the notion that US fights for oil is sooo wrong people! !! For years US didn’t get oil from the Middle East at all cause the US backed the Israeli in the Israeli an arabic war!! So we get a very small small and( yes u can throw a big number up there to make it look) amount of oil from there.
            Second I don’t care if those childern live there, if u were any of a parent u wouldn’t put your childern in harms way at all!!!! Why isn’t childern from Israel dying cause they moved them. Simple as that.

            Third Russia only was protecting thier own counrty they spent nearly the whole war fighting the Gremans on there own soil and was losing at one point. So while the US defeated japan and Greman and move thousands of miles…..u think that Russia who had problems fighting on there own land and didn’t have to move or ship equipment around the world would have beaten US that’s sad u would think that and it show your mentality on it

          4. droid

            Once again you are incorrect on every point.

            1. The biggest exporter of Oil to the US in 2003 was Saudi Arabia at 484,761 thousand barrels, Venezuela exported 291,032 thousand barrels. The biggest oil exporter is Canada. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_a.htm

            2. Gaza is under siege. The land crossings are controlled by Israel and under treaty with Egypt. There is no seaport or airport. Gazans are not allowed in or out.There is literally nowhere for these children to go. Even when they are moved to ‘safe’ areas (such as UN facilities) they are attacked by Israel.

            3. You obviously know nothing about the 2nd world war. Russia destroyed the Germans in offensives after Stalingrad and were set to take the entire continent after Berlin. In fact one of the reasons D-day happened at all was out of fear they would take over all of Europe, which they would have had done eventually had the US and Britain not gotten there first. No one is suggesting that Russia would have invaded the US.

          5. James

            Well Keven I see you ignored the invite extended to Bob to learn some grammar, but at the end of the day that’s the least of your problems. I’m surprised you found your way in here, let alone onto the internet.
            The data on oil imports from the middle east is there for all to see, there’s no point in my rewriting it here for you. I’ll help you a little with your research though, just in case you may actually be interested, Exxon (they’re american) holds leases for over 900.000 acres in northern Iraq. Do you have any idea how much that is worth? Oil from the persian gulf accounts for 10% of the US total. They even have a foreign policy concentrated on that exact “issue”.

            It may have eluded you, but the people who fought for independence in your country were first and second generation immigrants, many of them Irish (there was even a brigade called the Saint Patricks brigade). Of course Ireland as a country didn’t get involved, we were under English rule the same as the US was. In the many years that followed however, when we fought for our independence we won it ourselves.
            “Anyone could invaded your courty”…well written indeed, well they did, and America wasn’t there to do anything about it.
            That’s why we speak English and not Gaelic. If we were speaking German today it would make little difference, because it’s still not Gaelic. (get an adult to help you with that concept if your head hurts)

            As for Israel “protecting” well actually you have it the wrong way around, they are very much on the attack.

        3. WhoAreYa

          It’s noteworthy also that as soon as your bullshit is called your turn of phrase becomes aggressive and derogatory like a common tramp on the street. I don’t need some ignorant, inarticulate piece of trash to ‘protect my freedom of speech’ – you don’t fight for that either you complete fupping moron, you fight for geopolitical gain and strategic reasons unless your State department are total fupping idiots which they are not. They are making those decisions for you buddy so your brain doesn’t get confused with all the thinking. Let me repeat it again for emphasis: your point of view is that of a brainwashed, empty-headed fool, you don’t fight for me or anyone else for that matter – you are a numbskull and your opinion means nothing to me or to anyone else posting on this board, or to the world in general. Clear?

  29. ally

    Thanks Elaine. This is truly harrowing and I do wish the world would call a spade a spade and stop pretending whats inexcusable is a concern’. It moved me to tears. I am a mother and would not wish this on my worst enemy.

  30. D Bunker

    All this is, is another game of Monopoly. The Little Gaza strip is like Baltic and Mediteranian Ave. while Isreal is Park Place and Boradwalk.
    I don’t like the fact that they are destroying the rest of the strip but both side’s should be accountable for innocent live’s. Hama’s Missile’s are like homeade bomb’s they are not accurate and I am sure if he has hit hospital’s before, I am sure he did feel bad. Only if his intended target would hit it’s appropiate target Game Over,but being not the richest place in the world, but defending what Hama’s believe’s it right. On the otherhand we have is Isreal more powerfull then a piece of Strip! IDF have more precised and more advanced missile’s that should be able to hit it’s target 99% percent of the time. Now is purposely targeting hospital’s? I guess they’re natural resource’s are more important then innocent blood.

  31. James Dunne

    A poem I wrote last Sunday night, haunted by the image of this boy in Gaza…

    Can I wish you ‘Goodnight’ in this terrible night ?

    It will not ease your pain
    or lighten your loss
    but if like a whisper that brushes your face with its breath
    as you watch the cracked paint on the wall beside your bed at dawn
    or like the surprise gentle touch of a hand
    (that you thought forever gone)
    for a moment you feel that your dignity is held in the care of others
    then this is enough that will never be enough
    and our poor Goodnight your gift to us.


  32. ahmer

    declare israel as shias>.trust me all arabs will attack then n give money also to finish them


    Israel is doing everything it can to avoid killing innocent people, however Hamas is constantly using the poor population in Gaza as human shields. Hamas is using the humanitarian money to build tunnels instead of hospitals! And children in Israel are also terrified by the sirens all day…. The damage on both sides is huge!

    1. lorcan nagle

      If the IDF were doing everything they could to avoid civilian casualties, then they wouldn’t be dropping bombs, missiles and artillery rounds onto civilian buildings.

    2. Clampers Outside!

      These pinpoint accurate targeted bombs from Israel go a long way in showing Israel’s true side when they bombed a UN School killing 19 and injuring hundreds.
      Are you going to tell the world there were Hamas under that school next? pfffft!

      Israel wants the one-sided war to continue.

      It will keep it going until all Palestinians are removed from their homeland. One needs only look at the fact that Israel has NEVER declared its borders and the continued expansion for proof.
      So, don’t play the bael bocht horse shite on behalf of the savage men and women running that despicable apartheid regime.

      1. PeaceInTheWorld

        Israel and Palestine are at war.
        While Israel always try to protect people on their land, Hamas doesn’t care about the life of anyone, not even their own children.
        You want to know why IDF sadly targets School ? Hospital ?
        And Israel is not putting any glove to answer back to Hamas.
        It seems that the IDFis ready to do anything to stop the bombing on their land.
        Because people tend to forget that Israel is being bombed everyday. Everyday children and adults can see bombs flying over their heads.
        Hamas has done nothing to protect their land, israel worked hard to find a protective measure to rockets and kamikazes coming in their land and firing up bombs in public areas.
        And now that Israel has a dome to protect themself, IDF is sadly crushing the whole population of Gaza to find the few terrorists.
        You want Israel to stop firing their bombs ? Stop the Hamas from firing rockets.
        A few days ok, Egypt tried to make a temporary peace between Hamas and Israel. Israel said yes. Hamas said no.
        But none of us are living there. None of us knows the real truth of living there. the media only say one side of the story. and since a few weeks now, they only display images of children being killed.
        The only things that everyone knows is in the two sides, not everyone wants the war. a lot of them just want to live peacefully, want to have their life back. as it wasn’t always the war. but as we can see, hamas and the israeli government doesn’t listen to them… the 2 sides have lost the notion of what a human life is, they are both fighting for something and have forgotten that behind the something they are fighting for, there’s a future, and a future without children ? that’s not gonna be possible…

        1. lorcan nagle

          How many Hamas rockets have successfully hit a target in Israel in the last year?
          By comparison, how many Israeli missiles and bombs have hit targets in Palestine in the last two weeks?

          How many Israeli civilians have been killed by Hamas rockets in the last year?
          By comparison, how many Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israeli missiles and bombs in the last two weeks?

          Destroying the civilian building a Hamas terrorist fires out of does not defeat Hamas. You might kill that terrorist, but you ensure the survivors of the family who lived in that house, that the friends and relatives of the children killed in that school or the families who lost people in that hospital all take up arms the next day. This has been borne out again and again in history.

          And ultimately, if you behave monstrously to battle monsters, what does that make you?

    3. James

      Israel are currently accused of using phosphorus and frag bombs, both completely illegal under international law for use in civilian areas. Both designed specifically to increase injury and death in a widened radius. Israel has been unable to deny the charges, putting off the accusation with a promise to “investigate”…so they don’t have control over the arms their military is using? Hard to believe!
      To the person who put forward the “wooden sword” argument, it’s not really valid, it’s more like the guy hits you with a stick so you take a shot at him with a sawn off shotgun.
      They are doing the exact opposite to “doing everything they can to avoid killing innocent people”…they are sending in bombs designed specifically for widening the damage radius.

      Einstein defined insanity as “…doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” if Israel are really interested in peace then at best they can be defined as insane….but I don’t believe they are.

  34. Ciaran

    The Gaza situation is undeniably dire, but this is closer to an emotional rant than informative reporting. It’s extremely one sided and aggressive. It is this sort of thought processes which drive forward wars of hate like this one. The only way to diffuse aggression is with calm, carefully considered action. Anything outside of that, including articles like this one is intolerable and should be resisted as much as possible.

  35. PeaceInTheWorld

    That the thing: the two sides are launching bombs, rockets, … to each other. One is prepared and used technology as the shield and the other one used human shield.
    If i kick you with a wood stick and you have a sworn with a shield, how would you react ? Don’t tell me you will let me kick you forever…
    So Israel should be the only to be blamed ?
    No the two sides are fully guilty. and it’s not Israel who’s guilty, it’s the israeli government. as a reminder, a soldier around his 20’s is not there for the fun. it’s mandatory, else they go to prison…
    Once again, the leaders are the one who made decisions and it’s this case very stupid sadly ones.
    Too many lives in BOTH sides have disappeared.
    The only solution currently is not to say who’s guilty or not, after more than 50 years ? the two sides are as guilty. You’re talking of today’s war, but it’s happening since before the 60’s.
    The only way for a peace to happen is either the two sides share the land as a united new country or the land should belong to no one.
    This land has seen too many blood in a name of different gods… as we tend to forget all of them are fighting for what they think is theirs according to some old books.
    If they were listening a little more to science we are all coming from the same big giant dysfunctional family.
    Hopefully one day, in both sides, people will say “no more” to their own government.

  36. Alan meyer

    Michelle Grayson FACT It was never EVER their land. Here is a history lesson so go learn ! 1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam. 2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. 3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. 4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years. 5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit. 6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. 7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. 8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem. 9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. 10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter. 11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same. 12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people’s lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey. 13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won. 14. The PLO’s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them. 15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths. 16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel. 17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel. 18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians. 19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives. 20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall. Please share this and may GOD continue to bless the People and the land of Israel and the IDF

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      1. What has Islam got to do with Palestine?

      The whole Arab argument. We don’t try to put all Europeans in the same basket. Why should we expect all the Arabs to suit your narrow view of history? We are talking about Palestine/Palestinians. I know Roman Catholic Palestinians who are mistreated by the state of Israel. Please explain that.

      Ancient history does not hold much sway in the modern world. Think about individuals who are alive, who deserve to have an opportunity to live a happy life. It appears that Israel is depriving too many individuals of their rights.

    2. Spartacus

      Hi Alan

      (Is your name really Alan? Doesn’t strike me as a typical Jewish name – it’s not just the name you were asked to use while you’re working in the propaganda workshop, is it?)

      That’s an impressive list of bullet points. Regrettably I don’t have time to dissect it this morning, but perhaps later. It won’t be a particularly difficult task, will it?

      In the meantime, would you just tell us what your holy instruction manual has to say about the intentional firing of flechette-laden artillery shells into school playgrounds?


      1. Violet

        Shatter? Dershowitz? Sugar? Woody Allen? You didn’t give this much thought, did you?

        1. James

          Glad you brought it up Violet, you see being Jewish is simply an indication of your religion, it doesn’t change the origin of your name. Woody Allen may be Jewish but the name Allen as a surname is of English, Scottish and Irish descent.
          Alan as a first name is also of Breton origin.
          The name Dershowitz is of Polish origin.
          The name Shatter is of Breton origin.
          The name Sugar is an Anglo-Saxon name.
          If anything the list of names you gave would sustain the argument that Jewish is not a race but a religion and the Jewish people around the world are descendants of converts around the world and not of Israel itself. That there was a natural diaspora over the years when Jews traveled from the Mediterranean upwards to convert people to Judaism.
          Of course this would step on the whole “we have a right to Israel as a people” argument.

          Did you think this through?

          1. Violet

            I’m not interested in getting into any of that. You have no idea what I see “being Jewish” as, and I don’t know why you’re getting shirty. I pointed out that Alan is a common enough name for Jewish people, because I found Spartacus’ tone a bit nasty. That’s all.

            Woody Allen was born Alan Konigsberg.

          2. James

            Violet “you see…” is a turn of phrase, you see?

            Re read the comment and take the “shirty” tone you imagine out of it.

            The fact remains that “Alan” is not a Jewish name.
            The fact that Woody Allen was born “Konigsberg” (German origin, meaning Kings Hill) changes nothing about that argument.

            It’s fine that you don’t want to get into it, but at this point I have to wonder, why comment on a thread like this?
            You have an issue with Spartacus’ tone, but not with Alan’s?
            That would lead me to presume (I may be wrong, but on a forum all you have to go by is what you read) that you would agree with the Jewish claim over Israel.

            So I took the names you mentioned and linked it to another idea that’s floating around that would go against the said claim. And they’re not anti-semitic ideas…http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/2006Nov9.cfm

            Anyway, have a nice day.

        2. Violet

          I didn’t read Alan’s post, because I find large blocks of unparagraphed text irritating and almost always too stupid to struggle through. I wouldn’t be surprised if his tone is all kinds of lamentable, but I’ve never seen him here before and probably won’t again. Spartacus I usually like.

          There’s nothing more to it. Your assumption about my views is unwarranted. I really am just talking about the thing I’m talking about.

          I don’t know what your first line means. it certainly doesn’t make you sound any less shirty, if that’s what you’re aiming for.

          1. James

            I don’t see how using the words “you see” can make me seem cranky.
            Fair enough if I made the wrong presumption, but to be honest, if you think someone who you normally like is nasty, you might give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he has his reasons.

            I think you read my very first line as “you see Jewish AS” when I actually wrote “you see Jewish IS”….you see there’s a difference….get it?

            Anyway, I’m not cranky at all, but I am a little outraged about what’s going on at the moment and may have been a little rash with you.
            My apologies if you were offended.

          2. Violet

            No worries at all, James. You’re probably right: my initial post was a bit opaque, and fairly trivial too now that I’ve been thinking about it for more than a minute.

  37. wolfe tone

    If Israel wants peace and doesnt want to kill innocents; and Hamas is ‘using their own people as human shields’ etc, why dont the Israelis government call their bluff and invite the UN to come in and observe and report what is going on? The UN could put their peace troops on the ground and woe betide if anyone attacks them, because world opinion would turn against anyone conducting attacks on UN troops.
    Also, people who are campaigning at Israelis embassies around the world, although commendable, are going to the wrong embassies. They should be going to the only real embassy that can stop this carnage ie the US embassy. Without US covert support Israel wouldnt be so brazen.
    Until the Irish cease with their love in with the Obamas of this world then unfortunately Israel will forever continue to do as it pleases. Alas we allow the US to escape reponsibility/culpability for this endless saga by focussing on Israelis embassies. The US has the power to stop the slaughter immediately.

  38. bob

    Like the Irish have a say in world affairs. Maybe your army can…. oh wait, what army. If the US and Isreal closed thier borders, your country will be begging for their help within 18 months cause there will be nothing to stop the rest of the other countries from making you their bitch! So shut up and thank your god, that you’re on the good side of the big bad bully, United States. Cause without us walking the halls, your poor ass excuse for a country would fall, fast. So keep acting all tough and bitch about the US, cause you wouldn’t be able to do that without the US in your life!!

    1. wolfe tone

      The Irish built a fair share of America you clown. But I guess land grabbers stick together.
      Go back to school and learn a bit more about world history rather than US history and cheese.

      Ps Is their any chance you could tell hilary,obama etc to stop coming to my country and patronising the irish, in their attempts to woo irish american voters…..its so cringeworthy it makes me heave. And you can keep Bono too!

  39. bob

    Hahaha, you make me laugh, wolfe tone. You mean Irish-AMERICANS built America, but lets be honest, it was mostly built on the backs of slaves. I am proud to say wolfie, world history is US history, cause we’ve dominating for years. But we can agree on one thing, hilary and obama suck at thier jobs. Bono is a freaking harmless litltle annoyance. Not worth either of our times.

    1. James

      No Bob, IRISH….the irish americans would be their descendents. You see America is a country built by immigrants and yes unfortunately slaves. Although the slaves were used mostly for building your economy, tobacco, cotton, agriculture etc.

      Contrary to your ignorant belief, there isn’t exactly a queue of countries waiting to invade Ireland, and never in it’s history has it needed or looked for American help or protection.
      (If Israel closed it’s borders??? Do you really think Israels borders have any effect whatsoever on Ireland?)

  40. bob

    James, you’re right, nobody is waiting to invade Ireland, because big bad America and the British are in the world. Without them you’ll be speaking arabic and praying to Mecca 5x a day, within a year. And James, you’ll be fine, it seems your really good at living on your knees!

    1. James

      Funny you should say that because the only people who did invade us were the British.

      You seem to be quite confused….didn’t you say you were Irish american? But you’re happy to shit all over a part of your heritage because you can’t come up with a coherent argument?

      You’ll find that most if not all of the extremist regimes that are to be found in the Arab world are fruit of British and American doings in the middle east. You’re like a fireman that sets things on fire and then boasts about how useful he is with his hose. (8/10 of the worlds biggest arms producers are American)

      Here are some interesting facts (not that you’ve shown any interest in facts so far)
      A report from the World Policy Institute released mid-2005 has found that the U.S. is routinely funneling military aid and arms to undemocratic nations. In 2003, for which the most recent data was available at the time,

      The United States transferred weaponry to 18 of the 25 countries involved in active conflicts;
      More than half of the top 25 recipients of U.S. arms transfers in the developing world (13) were defined as undemocratic by the State Department;
      When countries designated by the State Department’s Human Rights Report to have poor human rights records or serious patterns of abuse are factored in, 20 of the top 25 U.S. arms clients in the developing world in 2003—a full 80%—were either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses.

      So you see, we probably wouldn’t even be in this mess if it wasn’t for the multi-billion dollar business that the US is running. Arms sales grew to a record high in 2011 after 3 years of constant growth, ironically under a president who had the cheek to accept a Nobel peace prize.

      I wouldn’t boast all that much at the moment if I were you….of course if I were you, you’d have a higher IQ and you’d probably know your arse from your elbow.

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