From a debate at UCD’s Law Society last night, the motion to fight for free education fees was defeated.
People Before Profit councillor for Dun Laoghaire Karl Gill was not impressed.
Pic via UCD Societies
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From a debate at UCD’s Law Society last night, the motion to fight for free education fees was defeated.
People Before Profit councillor for Dun Laoghaire Karl Gill was not impressed.
Pic via UCD Societies
Isnt this the same Karl Gill who thinks theres a ghost in his mums iPad ?
#establishment #policestate #hesbeenrendered
So he wants people to vote purely out of financial self-interest? A Fianna Fáil heart.
Gwan the students. At least they can see the bigger picture.
The future may not be so bleak after all. Outside of the noggin that is.
Bigger picture is limiting education to those who can pay?
For law society debates, you vote for the best argued motion rather than your personal opinion, no?
+1
Indeed. And he seems to have conveniently left out anything even remotely approaching context when decrying their decision to vote against the motion. A reasoned debate amongst two sides of the argument is not exactly the same thing as a school hall full of people whipped up into a frenzy by what was undoubtedly a panel of local politicians acting with only one agenda in mind.
Exactly. With that disingenuous attitude it’s easy to see why he lost a formal debate with supposedly intelligent and reasonable people.
yes
Free third level fees only benefit the middle classes anyway, and the kind of people that would vote for the People Before Profit types wouldn’t have a college education to begin with. Mr. Gill is probably best off staying in the ‘Noggin.
how are the 1900’s treating you?
More like the 1990’s when free fees were introduced and there followed no statistically significant increase in the number of people from working class backgrounds attending third level.
So tackle why there is no appetite for third level education from poverty stricken areas, don’t just throw your hands up in the air, say it didn’t work, and permanently lock low income families out.
It starts at home I’m afraid. It continues in primary and secondary. I went to a mixed socioeconomic background school and there was a clear difference in attitude to third level between those who lived around the school and those who travelled from the surrounding areas. That difference in attitude was borne out in the outcomes.
You overheard Tristan’s father saying so, didn’t you?
The sponsor’s banner in the background says it all! They’ll fight for free education when Matheson fights for free legal services.
It’s the Law Soc. They’ve always been sponsored by law firms. Plus, how do you know Matheson’s don’t do pro bono work? (awaits stock U2 joke)
Because they weren’t sponsored by any law firm when I was a member.
[Shakes stick angrily]
Why do Law Societies no longer debate matters of law? Why do philosophical societies no longer debate matters of philosophy? Why do historical societies no longer debate matters of history? It seems to me students are very badly served by clubs and socs these days.
Incidentally, it rather seems last night was little more than a Fine Gael circle jerk, but then plus ca change.
In schools and college debates – is the vote not more on the quality of the different debating teams rather than the topic being debated? Did they not vote that the team who argued against free education were the better debaters? Often the team members are arguing against their own beliefs.
Its all good practice for terrible clever types to argue for things they don’t believe in, safe in the knowledge that they’ll some day be very well paid for it. Debating societies attract the worst kind of sophists.
Debating societies are training grounds for lawyers and politicians. The ability to argue against your conscience is core to those professions.
And rightly so. Objectivity is central to a functioning legal system.
It eats at the soul to betray your conscience. Hence souless politicians and lawyers wondering the streets.
“Wondering the streets”
Are you quite sure you got good value for that education?
Poor effort Paolo.
Take 100 lines….
All typos wee created equally, but not all typos are worth pointing out, badly.
Free student fees are soooooooooo important, coupled with the points system.
I never would have gotten my education without them.
I was so poor I had to have two jobs in college just to keep up with the socializing habits of my mates, and I got the grant too!
No grant. Full fees. 4 jobs. I win the misery competition on this particular thread. Now I’m back to study.
And I don’t try to keep up with the socialising habits of my mates because that’s not important.
Dude seriously I feel for ye.
But eh, I lived in a caravan and went to Trinity.
I made great friends and had ball, but no one knew I lived in a caravan.
I see you, and raise you one caravan.
Okay you win. If that’s true then a sincere well done to you, because that’s some achievement.
It is, and I had a few more aces in my hand too. It will be in my book if I ever make something of myself.
Does Karl Gill understand the concept of a debate?
…he doesn’t seem to understand the notion of elitism either …ffs….free education, wha?
What happened in Karl Gill ‘s life that becoming a People Before Profit councillor became the best option?
Must of been fairly grim…
People Before Profit…
People who used to be known as Communists…