Gran Day For It

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The Pro Life Campaign held its national conference in the RDS on Saturday. One of the issues raised was media bias.

Caroline Simons, legal consultant for the Pro Life Campaign said:

“For over two years now, every time this issue comes up in the news there has been an almost exclusive focus on abortion. This is doing a massive disservice to women. How many women end up going for abortion in this situation having heard nothing whatsoever about the extraordinary support which perinatal hospice care offers to the mother and baby for whatever short length of time the baby may live? There is urgent need for more balance in this debate.”

Cora Sherlock, Deputy Chairperson of the Pro Life Campaign said:

A majority of people in this country consistently say that they want to keep a pro-life model in Ireland. Put simply: we’re not into ending lives here. We are into saving them. Recent polls claiming widespread support for abortion fail to take into account the fact that the evidence shows abortion is not a treatment for suicidal feelings. The Government ignored this when introducing abortion last year.”

Meanwhile….

According to today’s Irish Times, 68% are in favour of referendum in cases of rape or where the foetus will not be born alive.

Majority of voters want abortion law liberalised (Stephen Collins, Irish Times)

Previously: No Direction Home

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55 thoughts on “Gran Day For It

  1. Sidewinder

    We have no perinatal hospice yet I never see PLC calling for one. Nor do I see YD raising funding for one. Whereas prochoice groups like AIMS Ireland and the IFPA do.

  2. rotide

    You do realise it’s possible to be pro-life and also in favor of abortion in cases of rape or where the foetus will not be born alive?

    1. ahjayzis

      So when it’s ‘not her fault’, she can make a decision over her own body, but if she’s made her bed she’ll just have to lie in it? Right.

      When you concede that it’s not morally wrong in one case, that means it’s a moral judgement on your part to ban it in another case – not a principle.

      1. rotide

        I don’t think it’s morally right to kill someone, but I defer to the right and need for countries to wage war.

        Nothing is black and white apart from the opinions of extremists like most of the people in that picture and most of the posters here.

        1. ahjayzis

          But if you disagree with it being a woman’s right to choose full stop, and with no abortions in Ireland full stop, who do you think should assess whether the woman in an abusive relationship is allowed a termination, or the woman in severe financial distress, or the woman on medication incompatible with pregnancy?

          It’s a recipe for injustice, every situation is different and affects the woman in a different way, no rulebook is going to be fair and just.

          Just trust women to manage their own bodies for jayzis sake and don’t tie yourself in knots adjudicating on which woman has a legitimate ‘reason’.

    2. Anne

      It’s also posssible to be pro-life and ‘in favour of abortion’ in any case where a woman wants one for whatever reason.

      It’s also very possible to realise that that is just your own view and women need choice and freedom over their own bodies.

      1. rotide

        Last time I’m going to spell this out. I’m pro-choice, I’m even mostly pro-abortion in a lot of cases. I’m also pro democracy and I can see what both sides arguments are and I have some sympathy with some of them.

        I won’t argue that women need choice, However as I’ve argued before the ‘freedom over their own bodies’ is absolute nonsense in the eyes of pro-lifers.

        1. Anne

          Last time I’m going to spell this out
          ha. You’re such a clown.

          It’s not really progressing any debate to have any sympathy for fanatics and nut-jobs spreading misinformation and lies. If anything these people have too much access to spread their lies and agenda as it is.
          Pick a side and stay on it.

          1. Jim Computer

            Ànne, you seem to be confusing ‘pro-life-‘ and ‘pro-choice’ deliberately

            It makes your argument very difficult to follow, and your standpoint difficult to determine.

            Admit it…You’re just looking for a fight.

        2. realPolithicks

          Sometimes there aren’t two sides to an argument, and that is the case here. Neither you nor I have a say in what a woman does with her body, she decides, no one else.

          1. rotide

            Bullshit.

            If that were the case, you would be arguing for abortion on demand with no term limits.

            Pro choice supporters see it as not only a womans body but a child’s life as well, so the body argument becomes a far less important matter to them.

            There are two sides to this argument and a whole world of grey as well.

          2. realPolithicks

            You can see it any way you want. It’s a woman’s choice, not yours or anybody else’s.

    3. Steph

      You’ll find most “pro-life” organisations disagree with you there. I also don’t see how that’s logically consistent. Either it’s an autonomous life deserving of full rights as all autonomous people including an extra right to live off the body of another without their consent or it’s not. How it was conceived shouldn’t change that.

      Imo if you claim to be pro-life while making exceptions for rape victims what you’re actually doing is admitting that forced pregnancy is a horrible thing and that you can’t bear the thought of doing it to a rape victim.

  3. Rep

    There is a man there in that picture who has what looks like, from the back at least, the greatest hair style not seen since Jackie Healy Rae took his hat off.

  4. Tom Stewart

    What I see in the media does not align with my opinions = there is a bias in the media.

    There is therefore an “urgent need” that this be addressed.

    1. Medium Sized C

      Just sayin

      “Majority of voters want abortion law liberalised”

      does not follow from:

      “Asked if a referendum should be held on whether or not to permit abortion in cases of rape or where the foetus will not be born alive, 68 per cent said they were in favour,”

      unless you are a bit biased.

      1. Lorcan Nagle

        The Times’ heasline doesn’t quite follow through, I’m sure there’s a chunk of that 68% who want a referendum to get the debate out of the media, or are sure it’d be defeated and get it off the agenda for another decade or two.

        1. Medium Sized C

          Absolutely.

          Or that there is a chunk of that 68% are pro-lifers who think they have it in the bag.

          1. Lorcan Nagle

            There’s a number of Fine Gael backbenchers who’ve begun to call for a referendum, presumably on this mindset.

  5. daithiGorm

    Looks like plenty of men of all ages and post-menopausal women at that conference. Neither demographic are likely to be affected by a crisis pregnancy.

    1. TheQ47

      In fairness, men can be and are affected by crisis pregnancy. Not all crisis pregnancies affect the woman alone. For the woman to have the crisis pregnancy in the first place, there had to be a man involved somewhere along the line, and often times that man is just as affected as the woman.

      Just sayin’

      1. Sidewinder

        That involvement can be as little as splooging into a cup ten years before the conception occurs without ever having met the woman though. Unless they’re in a relationship with the woman it’s fatherhood that affects them, not pregnancy, and even that wouldn’t always be the case.

        1. TheQ47

          The OP said “Neither demographic are likely to be affected by a crisis pregnancy.” and I responded to that.
          I can’t see a situation where a pregnancy as a result of “splooging into a cup” (as you so eloquently put it) could be a crisis pregnancy. Any pregnancy that arises from this method is surely planned, and not likely to be a crisis.

        2. TheQ47

          And secondly, I didn’t say that all crisis pregnancies affect the man which your comment seems to suggest, I said “often times that man is just as affected as the woman.”

          Not all pregnant women (whether a crisis pregnancy or otherwise) have a partner, but for those who do, the pregnancy can be very affecting for both of them.

      1. rotide

        Ugh, bloody twitter and lack of a bloody edit function here

        Cannot be fupped trying to link a photo from twitter but its a photo of two younger women.

        1. Sidewinder

          No! PLC put young women in a video at the PLC conference? I never!

          I wonder is it like Logan’s run over there.

    2. Spaghetti Hoop

      That’s ridiculous. Men are involved in a crisis pregnancy and who’s to say those women are not mothers of daughters or have experienced an unwanted pregnancy themselves in their lives?

    1. rotide

      Do you think a referendum to allow similar abortion laws as the UK would pass if held tommorow?

      Unless your answer is an unequivocal ‘Yes’ (and personally I think it’s naieve to believe that), then it’s not a gneralisation

      1. Lorcan Nagle

        According to last year’s Ipsos MRBI poll in the Irish Times, the overwhelming majority of people in Ireland now support a woman’s right to choose abortion at least in the cases of risk to life (89%), risk to health (78%), fatal fetal abnormality (83%) and rape and abuse (81%).

        That’s what makes their statement a glittering generality

        1. rotide

          That’s not the question I asked though was it Lorcan?

          I’d guess that even the most ardent SPUC can smell which was the wind is blowing and realises a referendum like that will pass.

          It’s another matter altogether for laws similar to the UK

          1. Lorcan Nagle

            Nobody reasonable is expecting an instant change to abortion access immediately after the 8th is repealed. Assuming the referendum passes we’ll have to begin lobbying for changes to the Protection of Life during Pregnancy act, or it’s removal in favour of a new law

  6. Clampers Outside!

    SCUM…. these are the types that sent women and children to places like the Magdalene Laundries…

    thank you, my Mum and Dad, for not joining the ranks of these muppets and going out forming your own opinion (in the face of 70+ years of indoctrination) that forcing a woman to carry a rapists child to full term is just mental, plain and simple!

  7. Starina

    Look at all that grey hair…oh wait, is this the same generation that drove our economy into the ground while punishing young women who didn’t toe the line with slave labour in the laundries? Who turned a blind eye to the high death rates in the mother and baby homes? hmmmm. moral authorities. who needs ’em.

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