The Ashers said they would not bake,
A marriage equality cake,
And if their brave stand,
Breaks the law of the land,
That’s a risky decision to make.
John Moynes
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The Ashers said they would not bake,
A marriage equality cake,
And if their brave stand,
Breaks the law of the land,
That’s a risky decision to make.
John Moynes
“We thought that this order was at odds with our beliefs, certainly was in contradiction with what the Bible teaches”
I don’t remember the Bible saying anything about gay puppets?
The Virgin Mary said it in John ch 3 v 2.
I wonder would the do a cake with an illustration of Ezekiel 23:20 on it?
That should come with the designation NSFW.
Bert looks quite startled… probably another one of Ernie’s rubber ducks has gone missin’
The left has so far round the block that’s becoming the new right. If the bakers had genuine religious difficulties with the cake, so be it. People can’t be forced to do something against their religious beliefs, all of us who support same sex marriage need to remember that.
So having religious beliefs is a carte blanche to do/say whatever you want? Deadly…
No, but it’s certainly sufficient justification for choosing not to undertake a particular task.
It is perfectly legal not to undertake a particular TASK for anyone.
It’s not legal (nor should it be) not to undertake any task for a particular PERSON.
The bakery declined the task, it didn’t decline to serve the person.
What’s the difference?
The former is saying “I won’t do that” to everyone (no discrimination between people)
The latter is saying “I’m not doing that for the likes of YOU!”
Simple.
Nail on the head. Legally, it’s a very different thing to turn down a job than to refuse service to a person due to that person’s gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.
So if they refused to make cakes for anyone that in any way endorsed gay relationships, that wouldn’t be discrimination?
I think what miffy is saying that you can refuse to make a cake that promotes gay marriage (not illegal) without necessarily refusing to make a cake for gay people (illegal).
If you have trouble seeing their point, imagine someone asked them to make a cake that said Immigrants Out. Would they be OK to refuse that?
What Sesame Street character would go on that cake?
I’ve seen Big Bird goosestep.
Isn’t Oscar the Grouch basically Farage? He should at least be up for consideration for racist cake
For any person yes, but not for any reason. We have nine specific reasons that you cannot use for treating someone differently here in the republic, I expect they have something similar up north too.
Sorry actually, that is a reasonable point. Missed it on first reading.
Or they could ask, what would Jesus do? Hint: not be a dick and make the freaking cake
The question is not, whether or not they are dicks. The question is whether you can force somebody to bake a cake for you if they don’t want to.
Nah, total dicks
sap
Rather be a sap than an intolerant idiot
you are being an intolerant idiot too
I’m also intolerant of people called Robert
that the best you can come up with? ya sap.
Seriously, what is wrong with you?
Ok Robert
If they had made the cake they would be in trouble for copyright infringment. Most bakers won’t make cakes with copyrighted characters on them.
Let them eat almond icing.
Much ado about nothing. These guys have their beliefs, which they’re entitled to, even if they are at odds with someone elses. They weren’t imposing theit beliefs on others, just observing them themselves. The customer may have felt discriminated against, but that was not the case. Get the cake baked elsewhere, and get over yourself. You’re not the only person/minority entitled to have your beliefs upheld by society.
Kind of like going into a hal-al butchers and demanding bacon I guess.
Its exactly like that. Another ridiculous situation which should have never be. Go get your cake elsewhere and respect other people’s beliefs and convictions.
“Go get your cake elsewhere and respect other people’s beliefs and convictions”.
Exactly, just as you would expect to have your beliefs respected.
Respect is a two way street. If either party isn’t feeling it it’s usually best to step away.
+1
Not really. A halal butcher cannot provide bacon because they don’t stock it. However a bakery has a printer that can put whatever you want on icing.
Like going to any butchers that sells bacon, asking for some bacon and being refused bacon because you’re gay, actually.
They weren’t refused because they were gay.
Yes they were. They wanted the bacon for their gay marriage reception and the butcher said, sorry, I don’t do bacon for gay marriages because it’s against my cherished religious beliefs.
Bloody Halalis. Coming over here, annoying our gays.
No Nigel. It wasn’t refused because it was for a gay marriage. It was refused because of the “support gay marriage” slogan.
As an aside, how flippin cheezy is it getting a political slogan on your wedding cake? Baker should have objected on artistic grounds alone.
THEN THEY WANTED THE BACON TO BE ARRANGED IN A PRO-GAY MARRIAGE SLOGAN. Cripes. It’s an analogy, it’s only supposed to correspond in a loosely allegorical fashion. There is license for inexactitude!
If your analogy were inexact that would be okay, but it wasn’t. It was all over the place.
“Like going to any butchers that sells bacon, asking for some bacon and being refused bacon because you’re gay, actually.”
Actually, it’s more like asking for veal, when the hypothetical butcher doesn’t sell veal because he objects to it on ethical grounds.
It really isn’t like that at all.
How so?
Problem solved; bake the cake and charge them 15 grand for it. Money, meet mouth.