Ah, this happened with Corrib as well. Dinny O’Brien must be getting desperate. He should just stare at a brown piece of stationary, it’d cheer him up.
Joxer
the last throw of the dice – when you are losing just blame ‘dissidents’ on ‘the violence’ .
delacaravanio
Pretty much sums it up.
munkifisht
Disappointing sure but totally predictable. As soon as people start to turn violent they’ve started to loose. I was saying this would happen the other day (I know, amn’t I just f**kin great) but was pilloried. I think the protests look like they’re still winning, but the actions of the other night were a step backwards.
realPolithicks
The “actions the other night” were what in most countries would be called civil disobedience. If Ireland were a functioning democracy and not actually bought and paid for by the Denis O’ Briens of the world, then peoples right to protest would be respected and they would not be labeled “dissidents” for having the temerity to fight back against actions by their government with which they disagree.
munkifisht
It has nothing and everything to do with that. What happened the other night was not a protest, it was a riot. I have been fully supportive of the protests from their beginning and believe it is not peoples right to protest, but their social obligation, but it is also their social obligation to keep their emotions in check. If you start to loose the head you’ve lost the game. You can’t reason with a rioter. If you riot you allow the other side to undermine your argument and paint you as a dissident, even though that’s a gross exaggeration, but it is an exaggeration of a truth. If the protests had remained peaceful they would not have this card to play.
Given the number of well equipped news-hungry media professionals in the capital, the CCTV surveillance and bodycam equipment available to the Gardai and the security services, the ubiquitous smartphone recording capabilities of the average person in the street, not to mention private CCTV installations and dashcams, not one piece of video to support this contention has made it into the public domain.
Ya, it shows a load of people roaring at Gardaí claiming they have been punched and assaulted in a variety of ways – and claiming they have evidence on video.
Yet, the uploaded videos only ever show them roaring at Gardaí calling them every name under the sun. (if there are other videos supporting their allegations, fair enough, then dont appear to be doing the rounds though)
And there are no reports anywhere(that I have seen) of complaints being made to any authority.
Why, its almost like they are just trying to provoke a reaction from the Gardaí…….
Disasta
No, no it’s not like that at all.
Who’s paying you to talk trash?
jungleman
It actually is like that.
RealCorkLanger
Nobody, I wish someone was though!
I could use some walking around money
Hosannah in the Hiace
except Broadsheet has been boosting known dissidents. look at the post submitted by Trevor Conlon for example
*robs both wallets, straddles Mani and executes the perfect wedgie for good measure… walks away whistling*
Domestos
*mutters to himself*
Mick Flavin
Sweet vengeance!
Clampers' Ma
If you’ve damaged his nuggets with that wedgie it’s back to the coal-hole for you.
Mick Flavin
Ooh! It’s Clampers’ ma!
Here, while I have the chance, who really is Clampers’ da? Charlie Haughey, Malcolm MacArthur or Lord Mountbatten? Or…is it Mani?
It’s not me Mick. I haven’t completed my time machine yet (just need to collect a few more empty boxes of Bold and buy the necessary materials from some Libyans).
Clampers’ Ma doesn’t know herself. She can trace it back to when she was working as a middling class escort on contract to Montrose. It was at a Staff Xmas party, she woke up in the cloak room to find a tumescent Santa standing above her with a bottle of Satzenbrau and a twinkle in his eye. Next thing you ho-ho-know she was in his arms and on the love express to orgasmville. 10 months later (he really clung on in there, the ultrasound shoes him digging his nails into her womb) Clampers was born. Two days and one brief procedure later, she had a son.
does ‘the purge’ involve lord of the rings style dwarf-throwing?
Mani
*takes towel off Clampers head*
Jock
This is the truth but of course the crazies see this as some sort of conspiracy to demonise legitimate protest.
Mani
As opposed to the perfectly sane people who accept it as truth without proof, yeah?
Jock
Go looking for proof. It’s all over youtube, Facebook etc. Lots of videos linked to eirgi types.
Original Cynic
Our “Eirigi types”, as you put it, are complete pussycats in comparison to the Belgian austerity protestors!
Zynks
Lets be careful or the DOB law people will come out because we are making a mockery out of a DOB company inferring that another DOB company’s profitable activities are being affected by subversive individuals. Let these law people focus on suing the state and IW for failing to protect them appropriately and we will all be happy ever after.
phil
Ok if the government want to throw around bull like that , Ill do the same. In my opinion the government is undermining law and order in this country, they are a threat to Democracy in this republic …
Jock
Please give us more of your well informed political opinions you clown.
scottser
he must be an ‘eirigi type’ jock. he should be sent for political re-education in one of your specialist ‘treatment centres’.
TheDude
except you aint throwin no bull Phil
RealCorkLanger
The article does not say that anyone in government made these claims, it says senior Garda officers have
Markus
it’s quite clear when you look at these protests that they are hijacked by dissidents. The front of the water protest March a few weeks ago was all people with hoods up/scarves over faces waving RSF flags.
you just need to look at the front of any protest that has taken place over the past few years.
the biggest problem is that it undermines the genuine protesters and puts people off associating with what are often genuine protests
RealCorkLanger
+1
Original Cynic
In fairness the ones feckin’ around in the “Mrs. Browne” disguises are the really dangerous ones!
Just sayin'
Well, the Real IRA are people I would certainly want to distance myself from if I were protesting in Coolock.
TheDude
Edna & his band of merry idiots really have no idea of the anger growing against them every day.
He and Joan are happy to keep loading petrol on the fire not thinking for a minute it may consume their very selves.
RealCorkLanger
Just out of curiosity, did you write ‘Edna’ intentionally or by accident?
I find it very strange that people try to take the piss out of the Taoiseach by calling him Edna instead of Enda. You could just call him a flute or something, would get the point across, if you feel that way.
scottser
don’t blame us lad, the merkins started it.
PhilJo
FG backer infiltrate telecoms provision with no conclusive proof of bribery
FG backer gains disproportionate voice in Irish media
Private industry infiltrates state provided services through outsourcing contracts (eg. Siteserv)
I imagine INM are saving these stories for a big weekend eposé
Frilly Christmas Everyone*
Ah bless
Soundings
One of the first austerity marches I went on about two years ago in Dublin city centre, a group of about 10 men turned up with big white flags with 32 CSM logos on them, only a small march of about 100 in total from the GPO to Kildare Street, but there was a heavy Garda presence, at times the Gardai were man-marking the 10 men, at Kildare Street, there were some speeches and the 10 men with the big 32CSM flags went to the front where theire outlandishly big flags blocked the view of speakers for the rest of us. The Gardai corralled the 10 and moved them to the side. When the protest finished, a group of around five Gardai escorted them (walked a few feet behind them) as they went back down Molesworth Street, Grafton Street where the 10 got taxis at the bottom of Grafton Street. The Gardai had a word with the taxi drivers, didn’t hear what they said. That was the first time I saw that type of policing.
There was subsequently a split in the CSM and James McDonagh set up Irish Republican Voice and they’ve been present at various protests, bondholder bailout, cuts to various services outside Leinster House, any protest really. The IRV were the group who sat down on O’Connell Street a year or so ago.
I wouldn’t be the least surprised to see IRV/32CSM or other dissidents trying to jump on any bandwagon that adds a veneer of respectability to groups that have been linked to drug dealing, extortion and to a surprisingly limited extent, dissident activity.
But so what? Why should the legitimate grievances of protesters be set aside just because a few idiots try to muscle in on the protest.
Alfred E. Neumann
Shouldn’t they be celebrating that dissidents have embraced the legitimate democratic method of public assembly?
Spartacus
:applause:
Dissident Citizen Frilly!
Ffs. Didnt even get a day out’ve my last Christmas themed one….
Alfred E. Christmas
Don’t worry, we’ll rally round.
TheDude
‘I am He Who Shall Not Be Named, and I approve this propaganda’
andyourpointiswhatexactly
Now I have Dissident by Pearl Jam as an earworm.
Thanks a bunch, Bodger.
When she couldn’t hoooooooooooooooold, oh she folded
LA LA LAAAAAAAAAA
Colm
People might not like the source of this information, but it is 100% correct.
Whether there has been a planned infiltration or not, many of these protestors are 32-county enthusiasts who don’t give a sh*t about water charges.
scottser
maybe they do give a sh1t about water charges in the context that it is a national resource, already paid for by its citizens and is being rolled out as a funding stream to service bank debts of foreign governments and will eventually be sold off when it becomes profitable. just cos someone gives a monkeys about the sovereignty of the nation and its resources does not make them a ‘dissident’.
Colm
Quite right, being concerned about your country’s resources doesn’t make you a dissident.
But wrecking a load of cars outside Coolock Garda station, blocking the Malahide Road and just generally being a violent thug doesn’t make you Gandhi either.
There are many, many legitimate grievances about Irish Water but these guys are exploiting them, and the genuine swell in public opinion, for their own ends.
scottser
from what i’ve seen (granted i haven’t been to any protests where it’s kicked off like coolock) the gardai don’t seem to be discriminating against any of the protesters. they seem to be happy enough to handle ordinary protesters far too aggressively. surely the gardai know who are ‘dissidents’ and are able to identify them at protests and remove them before it is allowed to kick off?
Really yis have no excuse for swallowing the propaganda it doesn’t take much effort to investigate for yourself.
Jimmy 2 tones
Why no reporting on the 100,000’s of people protesting?
ReproBertie
Apart from all the reporting on RTÉ and TV3 and in all the newspapers, local and national, there’s been a complete media blackout on it.
Alfred E. Neumann
Typical RTE incompetence. I’ve never been so ashamed to be Irish.
Dissident Citizen Frilly!
That didn’t last long Alfie
Alfred E. Neumann
I had an identity crisis.
Disasta
They’ve dropped it since this letter was leaked actually
ReproBertie
News drops old news for new news shocker.
RealCorkLanger
+1
Jimmy 2 tones
Im going marching at the next protest now. Cant take anymore of this propaganda
Truth in the News
Red Herring propaganda,. its a back off to see if the current
spate of government spin doctoring this week might work
as their response has been extensively outed in the media, the reality is
that there was a huge public protest last Saturday and another
one due in early Dec should the momentium continue to build
and the numbers reach hundreds of thousands,,,,the Kenny
regime is gone…..the reason for backing off is stall the numbers
turning out…..indeed rather than heading for the Dail and the GPO
perhaps its time to go doors of RTE and O’Briens mouthpiece the Indo.
to tell them that their time has come too:
Soundings
Shouldn’t the Independent be required to disclose when it is reporting stories which are linked to businesses owned by the majority shareholder (with just under 30%) of INM?
ABM's Bloodied Underwear
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will-billy
Why do any of you bother taking note of this at all? I suppose broadsheet feel it is their duty to mention but really would anyone pay any attention to the pub bore going on about stuff that he dislikes, interminably? that is what I think of every time I look at any of the indo titles
Markus
I see the GRA have come out condemning the violence at protests now
i want whatever kennys popn’
Ah, this happened with Corrib as well. Dinny O’Brien must be getting desperate. He should just stare at a brown piece of stationary, it’d cheer him up.
the last throw of the dice – when you are losing just blame ‘dissidents’ on ‘the violence’ .
Pretty much sums it up.
Disappointing sure but totally predictable. As soon as people start to turn violent they’ve started to loose. I was saying this would happen the other day (I know, amn’t I just f**kin great) but was pilloried. I think the protests look like they’re still winning, but the actions of the other night were a step backwards.
The “actions the other night” were what in most countries would be called civil disobedience. If Ireland were a functioning democracy and not actually bought and paid for by the Denis O’ Briens of the world, then peoples right to protest would be respected and they would not be labeled “dissidents” for having the temerity to fight back against actions by their government with which they disagree.
It has nothing and everything to do with that. What happened the other night was not a protest, it was a riot. I have been fully supportive of the protests from their beginning and believe it is not peoples right to protest, but their social obligation, but it is also their social obligation to keep their emotions in check. If you start to loose the head you’ve lost the game. You can’t reason with a rioter. If you riot you allow the other side to undermine your argument and paint you as a dissident, even though that’s a gross exaggeration, but it is an exaggeration of a truth. If the protests had remained peaceful they would not have this card to play.
It wasn’t a riot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghxRJY_WPkE
Isn’t it amazing.
Given the number of well equipped news-hungry media professionals in the capital, the CCTV surveillance and bodycam equipment available to the Gardai and the security services, the ubiquitous smartphone recording capabilities of the average person in the street, not to mention private CCTV installations and dashcams, not one piece of video to support this contention has made it into the public domain.
^This.
There are some videos, not showing the RA folks however! https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=802199806510025&set=vb.120612321335447&type=2&theater
Ya, it shows a load of people roaring at Gardaí claiming they have been punched and assaulted in a variety of ways – and claiming they have evidence on video.
Yet, the uploaded videos only ever show them roaring at Gardaí calling them every name under the sun. (if there are other videos supporting their allegations, fair enough, then dont appear to be doing the rounds though)
And there are no reports anywhere(that I have seen) of complaints being made to any authority.
Why, its almost like they are just trying to provoke a reaction from the Gardaí…….
No, no it’s not like that at all.
Who’s paying you to talk trash?
It actually is like that.
Nobody, I wish someone was though!
I could use some walking around money
except Broadsheet has been boosting known dissidents. look at the post submitted by Trevor Conlon for example
Link please?
Arrgh…reds under the bed!
*clutches at pearls, faints dead away*
*looks around*
*robs wallet*
*clothes-lines Mani as he tries to run*
*robs both wallets, straddles Mani and executes the perfect wedgie for good measure… walks away whistling*
*mutters to himself*
Sweet vengeance!
If you’ve damaged his nuggets with that wedgie it’s back to the coal-hole for you.
Ooh! It’s Clampers’ ma!
Here, while I have the chance, who really is Clampers’ da? Charlie Haughey, Malcolm MacArthur or Lord Mountbatten? Or…is it Mani?
No Ma, not the coal-hole!
It’s not me Mick. I haven’t completed my time machine yet (just need to collect a few more empty boxes of Bold and buy the necessary materials from some Libyans).
Clampers’ Ma doesn’t know herself. She can trace it back to when she was working as a middling class escort on contract to Montrose. It was at a Staff Xmas party, she woke up in the cloak room to find a tumescent Santa standing above her with a bottle of Satzenbrau and a twinkle in his eye. Next thing you ho-ho-know she was in his arms and on the love express to orgasmville. 10 months later (he really clung on in there, the ultrasound shoes him digging his nails into her womb) Clampers was born. Two days and one brief procedure later, she had a son.
*Goes to clampers house*
*Engages ‘The Purge’ defence perimeter*
does ‘the purge’ involve lord of the rings style dwarf-throwing?
*takes towel off Clampers head*
This is the truth but of course the crazies see this as some sort of conspiracy to demonise legitimate protest.
As opposed to the perfectly sane people who accept it as truth without proof, yeah?
Go looking for proof. It’s all over youtube, Facebook etc. Lots of videos linked to eirgi types.
Our “Eirigi types”, as you put it, are complete pussycats in comparison to the Belgian austerity protestors!
Lets be careful or the DOB law people will come out because we are making a mockery out of a DOB company inferring that another DOB company’s profitable activities are being affected by subversive individuals. Let these law people focus on suing the state and IW for failing to protect them appropriately and we will all be happy ever after.
Ok if the government want to throw around bull like that , Ill do the same. In my opinion the government is undermining law and order in this country, they are a threat to Democracy in this republic …
Please give us more of your well informed political opinions you clown.
he must be an ‘eirigi type’ jock. he should be sent for political re-education in one of your specialist ‘treatment centres’.
except you aint throwin no bull Phil
The article does not say that anyone in government made these claims, it says senior Garda officers have
it’s quite clear when you look at these protests that they are hijacked by dissidents. The front of the water protest March a few weeks ago was all people with hoods up/scarves over faces waving RSF flags.
you just need to look at the front of any protest that has taken place over the past few years.
the biggest problem is that it undermines the genuine protesters and puts people off associating with what are often genuine protests
+1
In fairness the ones feckin’ around in the “Mrs. Browne” disguises are the really dangerous ones!
Well, the Real IRA are people I would certainly want to distance myself from if I were protesting in Coolock.
Edna & his band of merry idiots really have no idea of the anger growing against them every day.
He and Joan are happy to keep loading petrol on the fire not thinking for a minute it may consume their very selves.
Just out of curiosity, did you write ‘Edna’ intentionally or by accident?
I find it very strange that people try to take the piss out of the Taoiseach by calling him Edna instead of Enda. You could just call him a flute or something, would get the point across, if you feel that way.
don’t blame us lad, the merkins started it.
FG backer infiltrate telecoms provision with no conclusive proof of bribery
FG backer gains disproportionate voice in Irish media
Private industry infiltrates state provided services through outsourcing contracts (eg. Siteserv)
I imagine INM are saving these stories for a big weekend eposé
Ah bless
One of the first austerity marches I went on about two years ago in Dublin city centre, a group of about 10 men turned up with big white flags with 32 CSM logos on them, only a small march of about 100 in total from the GPO to Kildare Street, but there was a heavy Garda presence, at times the Gardai were man-marking the 10 men, at Kildare Street, there were some speeches and the 10 men with the big 32CSM flags went to the front where theire outlandishly big flags blocked the view of speakers for the rest of us. The Gardai corralled the 10 and moved them to the side. When the protest finished, a group of around five Gardai escorted them (walked a few feet behind them) as they went back down Molesworth Street, Grafton Street where the 10 got taxis at the bottom of Grafton Street. The Gardai had a word with the taxi drivers, didn’t hear what they said. That was the first time I saw that type of policing.
There was subsequently a split in the CSM and James McDonagh set up Irish Republican Voice and they’ve been present at various protests, bondholder bailout, cuts to various services outside Leinster House, any protest really. The IRV were the group who sat down on O’Connell Street a year or so ago.
I wouldn’t be the least surprised to see IRV/32CSM or other dissidents trying to jump on any bandwagon that adds a veneer of respectability to groups that have been linked to drug dealing, extortion and to a surprisingly limited extent, dissident activity.
But so what? Why should the legitimate grievances of protesters be set aside just because a few idiots try to muscle in on the protest.
Shouldn’t they be celebrating that dissidents have embraced the legitimate democratic method of public assembly?
:applause:
Ffs. Didnt even get a day out’ve my last Christmas themed one….
Don’t worry, we’ll rally round.
‘I am He Who Shall Not Be Named, and I approve this propaganda’
Now I have Dissident by Pearl Jam as an earworm.
Thanks a bunch, Bodger.
When she couldn’t hoooooooooooooooold, oh she folded
LA LA LAAAAAAAAAA
People might not like the source of this information, but it is 100% correct.
Whether there has been a planned infiltration or not, many of these protestors are 32-county enthusiasts who don’t give a sh*t about water charges.
maybe they do give a sh1t about water charges in the context that it is a national resource, already paid for by its citizens and is being rolled out as a funding stream to service bank debts of foreign governments and will eventually be sold off when it becomes profitable. just cos someone gives a monkeys about the sovereignty of the nation and its resources does not make them a ‘dissident’.
Quite right, being concerned about your country’s resources doesn’t make you a dissident.
But wrecking a load of cars outside Coolock Garda station, blocking the Malahide Road and just generally being a violent thug doesn’t make you Gandhi either.
There are many, many legitimate grievances about Irish Water but these guys are exploiting them, and the genuine swell in public opinion, for their own ends.
from what i’ve seen (granted i haven’t been to any protests where it’s kicked off like coolock) the gardai don’t seem to be discriminating against any of the protesters. they seem to be happy enough to handle ordinary protesters far too aggressively. surely the gardai know who are ‘dissidents’ and are able to identify them at protests and remove them before it is allowed to kick off?
Not a riot; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghxRJY_WPkE
Really yis have no excuse for swallowing the propaganda it doesn’t take much effort to investigate for yourself.
Why no reporting on the 100,000’s of people protesting?
Apart from all the reporting on RTÉ and TV3 and in all the newspapers, local and national, there’s been a complete media blackout on it.
Typical RTE incompetence. I’ve never been so ashamed to be Irish.
That didn’t last long Alfie
I had an identity crisis.
They’ve dropped it since this letter was leaked actually
News drops old news for new news shocker.
+1
Im going marching at the next protest now. Cant take anymore of this propaganda
Red Herring propaganda,. its a back off to see if the current
spate of government spin doctoring this week might work
as their response has been extensively outed in the media, the reality is
that there was a huge public protest last Saturday and another
one due in early Dec should the momentium continue to build
and the numbers reach hundreds of thousands,,,,the Kenny
regime is gone…..the reason for backing off is stall the numbers
turning out…..indeed rather than heading for the Dail and the GPO
perhaps its time to go doors of RTE and O’Briens mouthpiece the Indo.
to tell them that their time has come too:
Shouldn’t the Independent be required to disclose when it is reporting stories which are linked to businesses owned by the majority shareholder (with just under 30%) of INM?
Follow button
Why do any of you bother taking note of this at all? I suppose broadsheet feel it is their duty to mention but really would anyone pay any attention to the pub bore going on about stuff that he dislikes, interminably? that is what I think of every time I look at any of the indo titles
I see the GRA have come out condemning the violence at protests now
Not a riot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghxRJY_WPkE