RESULT: 71 per cent say NO, the new charges are not acceptable; 29 per cent say YES that they are. Just under 15,000 people voted #Liveline
— Liveline (@Liveline_RTE) November 19, 2014
Environment Minister Alan Kelly (above) delivering government Irish Water charge concessions in the Dáil while outside protests (top) continued this afternoon.
Mr Kelly said the €100 grant would be a cheque or transfer and customers would pay the charges upfront and receive the grant later. He admitted the first year would entail a time lag with the payment expected in September. The minister has said those who pledge to never pay water charges are in a different category to those who cannot pay and will be dealt with differently.
The capped charges will be in place until 1 January 2019 with legislation to allow for capped charges to continue after 2019. Households with either water or sewage only will pay 50% of the charges.
Those with meters who use less will get a once off rebate. The starting date for the charges is 1 January and bills will be charged from April next year. If a householder fails to register they will receive a default bill for €260 a year.
They will also not be entitled to the €100 Water Conservation Grant. People now have until 2 February to register. Households in group water schemes who register will also be eligible for the conservation grant.
PPS Numbers will not be required for registration and Irish Water will delete any numbers it has already received. There will be penalties for those who do not pay after a year or enter into a payment plan.
A single adult household will face a €30 penalty and €60 will apply to other households. Legislation will be introduced allowing landlords to deduct unpaid water charges from tenants’ deposits if necessary.
Govt outlines new capped water charges (RTÉ)
Guess its back to clouds that look like Ireland and people taking pictures with there Ipads. This ship has sailed…
…nah, it’ll be in dry dock for a while before the leaks are fixed.
Because Live Line Listeners are indicative of the general population and not entirely made up of moaners, whingers and Taxi drivers at all.
All 424,000 of them?
Yes. There are believed to be a total of 425,000 whingers currently resident in Ireland. Joe Duffy and his LiveLine producers are currently examining just why that additional 1k people are not actively tuning into his show as nature had intended them to.
selfie sensation, not quite a mop, not quite a bucket, but boy you’re funny!
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Here ya go for clarification….
Livelines latest listenership is 382,000 daily
6% aged 15-34
12% aged 35-44
18% 45-54
24% 55-64
40% 65+
So, 64% of listeners are over 55 compared to the population of Ireland having 29% over 55.
Excellent work, Clampers. Also it must be considered that people who are opposed to these charges are more likely to bother to vote in these stupid “polls”.
Yup, probably.
100% correct! Just like social media in general, those with a gripe are more likely to tweet, comment on places like journal.ie etc. They then see people with the same view as them and assume the entire population has this view. Everyone in my family and all of my friends were going to pay the water charges from the start and still will, notwithstanding having a view that the process has been a shambles.
No, I would tend to think that they are likely pensioners getting just about €200 / week who CANNOT afford another bill.
You’re kind of proving my point there, Gers. It’s people who care that get excited enough about this to vote. Polling is about getting a representative sample of the entire population and going from there.
Take gay marriage: the majority of people couldn’t give two hoots either way, but a significant minority care deeply about the issue. Having a poll in favour of legalising gay marriage that you can only enter using an iPhone or android app is going to result in an overwhelming majority in favour of it, whereas a poll that only allows entry from a land line telephone is going to result in an overwhelming majority against it. Neither poll is the least bit worthwhile as they’re entirely unrepresentative.
Interesting, thanks Clamps.
Is it safe to say that a good proportion of Liveline listeners do not work/study full time and that the majority of street protestors do not work/study full time? They seem to have a hell of a lot of time on their hands.
I can’t believe that the Loiveline poll is even considered as a barometer of the country’s views on things.
For that poll you even had anti water charges people organising a N vote to skew the results.
You are whinging about the whingers.
Irony :)
A bit of perspective needed. €160 annual bill for a family household….Parents will probably lose double that with the two day teacher strike set for December and January….whether through lost wages by having to take extra leave to mind the kids or an extra two days childcare.
PITCHFORKS OUT!!!! GET THE TEACHERS!!! Smiley face.
would love to have a job where I get 2-3 months off a year then strike on days outside that period of time.
Not a chance they would organise a little march for themselves during school holidays!!
Go do it then. Unless there’s a moratorium. Is there a moratoium? If not, nothing to stop you becoming a teacher.
Well most 13+ year olds would be okay minding themselves for a day, no?
You’ve seen Skins right? Anarchy
Ah but, nothing like getting all innovative when you’re out of skins.
…oh wait, dem Skins… never mind
The sinister fringe have phones, many many sinister phones.
Sinister.
Wonder why people pay the TV licence to fund this RTE dribble and dont protest as much as they do for something that is essential!
That be true.
Having to pay TV license for Tubbs et al is like being backdoored forcibly once a year.
What’s with the rape analogy? No need for it.
Fair play, Jungle.
Who said anything about rape?
Nought wrong with an auld annual forcible backdooring if both parties are on the same page.
Reasonable force for reasonable people
There’s a lube for that.
Irish Water-based, your only man.
I’m glad to imagine that you’ve neither been mugged nor buggered in your life, and you make such a comparison from ignorance.
Broadcast Tax is next in the queue!
“15,000 people voted”….was there an election?
Coz without RTE there would be no Twink!!
errrrr…..hang on!
“Ouch. Kelly will introduce legislation to allow unpaid water bills to be deducted from tenants’ deposits if necessary #dail #watercharges”
Maybe I am being a bit stupid, but is that not the same as if you skip out without paying the gas/leccy?
In theory yes. I thought however that due to data protection, landlords couldn’t find out/enquire about their tenant’s accounts (UPC/Eircom/Bord Gais/Airtricity etc) unless they were specifically named as a contact on the tenant’s accounts. Example being that my landlord (or anyone) would have in no way, any access to my electric/gas or phone account if he/she phoned up. I really don’t see how the government are going to grant/legislate for a private company to have the ability to break the law regards to data protection.. Stranger things could happen though…
No, because gas and electricity aren’t sacred cows of the Irish ‘left’.
Atlas, if a landlord has it contracted in writing with their tenants that all utilities must be paid up to date, and find out that the property is disconnected; they must fork out to get the property reconnected. They will take this reconnection fee from the tenants deposit. Such is the case in many instances (although having said that, by the time the landlord finds out that there’s no power, the tenant would have already forfeited their deposit).
The landlord though has legally no access to their tenants private electricity or gas account data though – they cannot simply call up and ask questions about an account that is not under their name or where they are not named as a contact on it. It’s a direct violation of the data protection act. This government would have to rewrite EU law to legislate for this. I don’t see how they are going to implicate their idea with private companies
I have no idea what this is meant to imply.
*Atlas’s remark that is
His Left remark – Water is not the sacred cow of the left.
What the government are saying/trying to implement doesn’t make sense – and seemingly neither do I without proof reading – carry on
Were all these clowns all promised senior positions on various company boards to push this through for their buddies?
I do wonder what Mary Harney is doing since she left politics. After all, her time as Minister for Health was characterised by nothing more than constant leering from crisis to crisis while she ignored what was really needed to improve the health service in favour of pushing a narrow, ideological and unpopular agenda of privatisation.
I’m sure there’s no possible way that she’s on the board of a load of those privatised health companies, because that would surely represent a major conflict of interest. No siree, that would never be allowed to happen in a functioning democracy.
And at least she’ll have a pension that we’ll be paying for her until the day she dies to ensure she’ll never have to enter the public hospital system she did so much to destroy. Thank goodness for that.
I always picture her on a beach, sipping a mimosa. Somewhere tropical.
Last seen in the dumpster behind dunkin donuts gorging on mouldy freebies, allegedly.
So….
What was the original yield estimate supposed to be for charging for water?
Didnt the €80 quid “conultant” boyos not tell Irish water and government how much would tax would be need to be extracted from us to make this company fly?
How can it work when the yield has been decimated to the point where the government are begging us to sign up with such low prices?
Surely theyre so desperate to get us on the hook theyll do anything. Fast forward 2 years and prices will have to double at least. Surely.
Enda knows, “Paddy loves a bargain”.
The liveline audience is pretty much the same as the question time audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo
I suppose the most important question is how much revenue will go on wages and general day to day running of IW. I’d imagine most if not all. So where is the money for the upgrade of the infrastructure going to come from? There’s going to be some serious price hikes coming down the pipeline, if you’ll forgive the pun.
You bought the one about a world class water system, fit for the new millennium then?
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The Penalties For Not Signing Up:
You won’t get the €100 discount at the start (not paid to you until Sept at the earliest)
After 1 year you will be fined €30 for a single person household; €60 for more than one in hhold
So…. €130 / €160
*counts with fingers*
Not a very big schtick now is it…. :)
….according to SixOne
A fabulous introductory offer, that even the most loathsome of i-phone carryin’ commies, couldn’t refuse, in fairness.
IW are still going to need subventions that will make FAS look like the petty cash account.
The only way those numbers make any sense is a sell off. With the workforce going back to where they came from. And with a half a bill in debt written off.
Don’t bite that carrot folks.
Its still a scam.
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Bang a coherence ’bout dat too.
What about people without meters…how do they get a rebate for using less…what a joke…ha ha
1.5m households is Ireland? @ €160 per household = €240m
Running costs of Irish Water?
from here
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-water-denies-that-its-running-costs-will-be-outlandish-1.1892967
it’s estimated that it will be €1.9 billion, and from the same link Irish Water has said that it will reduce it by €1.4 billion by 2021. That’s hard to believe, but even if they did achieve it that’s still a shortfall of €260m a year.
Also from that link, there will be 5,000 staff members by 2016. Average wage of €40K? = €200m
So where is all the money coming from to fix the leaks if they can’t even make enough to pay the operational costs?