Those are airsoft toys lads. Less than 1 joule muzzle velocity, firing 6mm hollow plastic spheres. They’re not legally firearms and haven’t been since 2006 (yeah, before that they were legally firearms in Ireland).
Now, if you’d published, say, a photo of the crossbows that the Gadget Shop were selling before Xmas for thirty quid or so, you’d have had a story, because there’s no exemption for “toy” crossbows in Irish law – those things were, strictly speaking, restricted firearms requiring a firearms certificate from your local Chief Superintendent to possess and possession of them without that certificate is an offence under the Firearms Act punishable by up to seven years in prison and twenty thousand euro in fines (the same penalty as applies to anyone who goes paintballing after 2009, strictly speaking).
Irish law. Where something being ludicrous is no obstacle to it getting into the statute books.
Stewart Curry
Do you have a google alert or did you see some kind of human-target shaped silhouette in the sky like a bat-signal?
Yeah but the absolute hilarity lies in the fact that maybe your annoying wife won’t realise its a fake gun when you’re angrily threatening to shoot her in the face.
Yeah, that’s what’s referred to as assault in this country gallant.
Legally, if you point one of those things at someone, the law says – and has said for years – that it doesn’t matter it’s not real, the offence is the same as if you’d used a real firearm (if you *did* do that with a real firearm, there is a separate crime involved, possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life and that carries a higher sentence, namely life imprisonment).
Of course, point that out to the lad who owns the shop and the somewhat off-key sense of humour on display up there and he’d – correctly – point out that you’d be a right eejit if you bought an airsoft replica to threaten someone with just because you saw a sign in a shop window telling you to do so.
(Actually, if that was all it took for you to terrorise your wife like that, then you have more serious problems that you should be seeking help for).
gallantman
He could change the AK-47 one to- “Didn’t like a cartoon you saw in a magazine”. More topical, like.
what if one was to replace those hollow plastic pellets with, say, lead balls moulded to the same size?
not that i would….
again :-(
Dav
The mechanism might fire it once and then probably die – assuming it didn’t go “ping” in your face first.
Threatening someone with an airsoft gun is treated the same, in law, as far as I’m aware, as threatening them with a real one.
Major Thrill
You’d fire it and a couple of lead balls might pop out the muzzle. 1 Joule of energy is barely a pat on the arse – sufficient to send a pingpong ball flying but it isn’t going to do anything to move anything heavier.
curmudgeon
That’s absolute bullshit. Tell you what go try this out at home with a common or garden airsoft fifle on full auto and no armor at close range. Get back to us after your stint in A&E.
Physics, folks. It’s bullshit. You heard it here first.
Major Thrill
effing magnets, how do they work?.
Major Thrill
Correction – 1 joule is sufficient force to move 1kg one meter in one second. So a little more than a pat on the arse but nothing like enough to do anything more than sting if you loaded it with something heavier, even point blank.
The airsoft replica can apply a force of 1 joule to the projectile. If that projectile is a feather-light 6mm plastic ball, it flies for 10-20 yards or so. If that projectile is a heavy lead ball, it barely gets out of the barrel. It’s not a limitation of the law or of airsoft; it’s a limitation of physics. Kinetic energy = 1/2 times the mass times the velocity squared, remember? Increase the mass and the velocity drops rapidly. You’d have to modify the airsoft replica to add more kinetic energy to the projectile to change that (and that’s strictly illegal – five to seven years in prison, ten to twenty grand in fines, depending on the kind of replica you were illegally modifying).
Maybe your missus Anne. Mine would do something with the replica that would require you to obtain the services of a good proctologist while the Garda waited outside to interview you.
scary pictures of you being painted today. i like it
Don Pidgeoni
Rawr!!
YourNan
are you some sort of idiot savant popping out whenever guns are mentioned? do you not see the blatant and dangerous misogyny in this? are you just afraid they might take your little hobby away? How about you move to the US where you are free to roam with likeminded morons?
Hi Nan! Nice to see a decade of being dead hasn’t improved your spelling much! How’re things?
Mikeyfex
He’s far from a moron. If you don’t include proximity to your replies, that is.
Custo
harmless lads banter
DD
AssaultLad!
FK
Eh, no. It’s not harmless.
Jess
Hahaha. Domestic violence is gas!
scottser
yeah, they probly should have went with the ‘chicks look hot firing guns’ angle instead..
Newsjustin
I’ve always thought it was a very bad idea to sell these things that look (to the untrained eye certainly) like “real” guns. If I was working in a post office or betting shop and someone waved one at me, I’d hand over the money.
Because before the law changed in 2006 if you bought any toy gun – like those suction dart guns we all had as kids – it was legally a firearm under the Act (again, with penalties of prison time and fines). Which was clearly stupid and no other country in the world had that law so we introduced the 1 joule muzzle energy limit (every other country in the EU has the same idea, but they use a limit of either 7.5 joules, set by olympic airguns; or 17 joules, set by paintball markers).
As to why make them look like the real thing, because there’s no law against it, Smyths was full of the same thing before 2006, and they sell well.
It’s like “why do we make small cars that look like larger more expensive cars?”. Because they sell well and if someone breaks the law with them, we punish them for doing so. If we banned everything that someone might break the law with, we’d all have to live our lives in small gray boxes with no contact with anyone else.
I mean, I’m all for supporting the local small gray box industry, but…
Chill yer boots there Mark, I think the issue is with how they are sold….
Stop Santa In His Tracks
Having Trouble With The Wife
Hit ‘Em Where It Hurts
Cheaper Than A Divorce
Although, I’m sure you cannot kill Santa, as everyone knows he’s bullet proof. As for the wife… well, you could test her out, but I wouldn’t recommend it.
Ian
Is there not a law about realistic looking firearms, in the UK if you want to buy one of these it has to be painted bright colors so it doesn’t look real, doesn’t matter what energy it has. In order to own a realistic looking airsoft gun you need to be an active member of a club and have attended 3 airsoft events.also needs to be purchased through an licensed retailer.
There’s an entire section of law in the Firearms Act brought in in 2006 and 2009 governing their sale and use. We don’t require club membership or orange tips on the barrel though.
There is also a sign saying Stop Santa in his Tracks. And a couple more saying Put (whomever) out of their Misery, etc. It’s a joke, like the signs outside pubs saying Husband Creche, etc. The guy who runs this shop is an absolute gentleman. Whingers gonna whinge, as usual.
Freia
Actually, maybe it is a little insensitive, but the guy who runs the shop is an extremely polite man in his eighties. Let’s not get the pitchforks just yet, even though it might be in poor taste.
Don Pidgeoni
Old people eh?
Anne
I think it’s called dark humour.
My father’s humour was kinda like this. He ‘d say some gas stuff about the mother.
Most people don’t take this sh*t literally.
Jess
Husband creche/ murder your wife. Potato, potato pronounced differently.
Oversensitive spousal abused bitches be crazy right?
Danny
Hi, Please note that this marketing approach has nothing to do with WE AIRSOFT EUROPE LIMITED.
Birneybau2
Well, no sh*t.
squiggleyjoop
I think Mark should be given a sitcom in which he lives with a group of walking and talking guns. Laughter track included. Titled ‘Gun for your Life’. Or ‘Gunning for the Marksman.’
Well. So long as it’s not apple. I like eating apple pie too much to have one as a best friend.
squiggleyjoop
Actually Cutie Pie sounds like a better rounded and more relatable character so I think the pie gets the sitcom. Sorry Mark. You can guest star and tell de kidz about gun safety like Nancy Reagan did with de drugz.
howya Mark, fair play (no really)
on your very first comment there you mentioned something about paintball…can you explain? is it technically illegal or have I missed something
Most paintball markers meet the legal definition of a “short firearm” under the Restricted Firearms Order: “short firearms” means firearms either with a barrel not longer than 30 centimetres or whose overall length (including the length of any detachable component) does not exceed 60 centimetres;
Problem is, paintball markers are also air pistols with a calibre of about 0.68 and the list of unrestricted firearms only includes air pistols of calibre 0.177 (which are the Olympic air pistols). Which by law, makes most paintball markers restricted short firearms – the same class your average Glock pistol fits into. And, like those, you can’t legally apply for a firearms certificate for a new one; and you can’t use one as a club firearm.
So basically if you’ve been paintballing since 2009, you’ve been using a restricted short firearm without a licence, which is an offence with a maximum penalty of seven years in prison and 20,000 in fines.
And no, this wasn’t on purpose, it was an accidental oversight. Nobody thought about paintball (or crossbows) when the restricted order was being drafted. It’ll probably be corrected if anyone ever amends the order again.
Sharrow
Not funny as the majority of women who are killed in this country are done so by current or ex partners.
Annie get your gun
I now know way more about Airsoft than I did this morning.
Continuity Jay-Z
These will be the weapons to repel the third wave of feminists.
Kieran NYC
To ping them on their bra-less, unprotected boobs?
Hashtag Diversity
Honey, I’m Homicidal. Simply not funny. Domestic violence and abuse and marital problems arising are no joke. Beside, it’s sexist. Women can shoot too.
scottser
Yeh yeh we know
*puts gun back on shelf, follows mammy out of the shop.
Sean
This is truly pathetic… Grow a sense of humour you sap
Those are airsoft toys lads. Less than 1 joule muzzle velocity, firing 6mm hollow plastic spheres. They’re not legally firearms and haven’t been since 2006 (yeah, before that they were legally firearms in Ireland).
Now, if you’d published, say, a photo of the crossbows that the Gadget Shop were selling before Xmas for thirty quid or so, you’d have had a story, because there’s no exemption for “toy” crossbows in Irish law – those things were, strictly speaking, restricted firearms requiring a firearms certificate from your local Chief Superintendent to possess and possession of them without that certificate is an offence under the Firearms Act punishable by up to seven years in prison and twenty thousand euro in fines (the same penalty as applies to anyone who goes paintballing after 2009, strictly speaking).
Irish law. Where something being ludicrous is no obstacle to it getting into the statute books.
Do you have a google alert or did you see some kind of human-target shaped silhouette in the sky like a bat-signal?
Or did you just sense a disturbance in the force…
Nope, random chance.
Mark you are the hero we need, but do not deserve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWO3C7n7apg
Yeah but the absolute hilarity lies in the fact that maybe your annoying wife won’t realise its a fake gun when you’re angrily threatening to shoot her in the face.
Yeah, that’s what’s referred to as assault in this country gallant.
Legally, if you point one of those things at someone, the law says – and has said for years – that it doesn’t matter it’s not real, the offence is the same as if you’d used a real firearm (if you *did* do that with a real firearm, there is a separate crime involved, possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life and that carries a higher sentence, namely life imprisonment).
Of course, point that out to the lad who owns the shop and the somewhat off-key sense of humour on display up there and he’d – correctly – point out that you’d be a right eejit if you bought an airsoft replica to threaten someone with just because you saw a sign in a shop window telling you to do so.
(Actually, if that was all it took for you to terrorise your wife like that, then you have more serious problems that you should be seeking help for).
He could change the AK-47 one to- “Didn’t like a cartoon you saw in a magazine”. More topical, like.
Well, that’d be about par for that sense of humour allright.
What does it say about me that I’m finding this whole thing quite funny?
what if one was to replace those hollow plastic pellets with, say, lead balls moulded to the same size?
not that i would….
again :-(
The mechanism might fire it once and then probably die – assuming it didn’t go “ping” in your face first.
Threatening someone with an airsoft gun is treated the same, in law, as far as I’m aware, as threatening them with a real one.
You’d fire it and a couple of lead balls might pop out the muzzle. 1 Joule of energy is barely a pat on the arse – sufficient to send a pingpong ball flying but it isn’t going to do anything to move anything heavier.
That’s absolute bullshit. Tell you what go try this out at home with a common or garden airsoft fifle on full auto and no armor at close range. Get back to us after your stint in A&E.
Physics, folks. It’s bullshit. You heard it here first.
effing magnets, how do they work?.
Correction – 1 joule is sufficient force to move 1kg one meter in one second. So a little more than a pat on the arse but nothing like enough to do anything more than sting if you loaded it with something heavier, even point blank.
Or in a more day-to-day form, 1 joule is approximately the force a small apple hits the ground with if you drop it from a meter up.
It won’t do harm (it was a level chosen to prevent eye injury in airsoft even if a pellet struck the cornea directly).
(No, you don’t want to see the testing for that)
Is that how Issac Newton defined it?
Well, no, because force (in Newtons) and work (in Joules) are different (if related) things. Maybe his cousin defined it that way.
Today though, we just call that an “illustrative example” because it sounds more impressive than saying “this is roughly the gist of it”.
Short answer, not much.
The airsoft replica can apply a force of 1 joule to the projectile. If that projectile is a feather-light 6mm plastic ball, it flies for 10-20 yards or so. If that projectile is a heavy lead ball, it barely gets out of the barrel. It’s not a limitation of the law or of airsoft; it’s a limitation of physics. Kinetic energy = 1/2 times the mass times the velocity squared, remember? Increase the mass and the velocity drops rapidly. You’d have to modify the airsoft replica to add more kinetic energy to the projectile to change that (and that’s strictly illegal – five to seven years in prison, ten to twenty grand in fines, depending on the kind of replica you were illegally modifying).
Sorry, replied before I saw your response. Thanks!
I suppose with that kinda velocity, it won’t kill the missus so, just put her in her place like.
Maybe your missus Anne. Mine would do something with the replica that would require you to obtain the services of a good proctologist while the Garda waited outside to interview you.
Depending on the gun, the gas cylinder jobbies pack a hell of a punch compared to the standard pump once for each shot types
Yes, the story is the legality of the guns and nothing to do with the hilarity that surrounds domestic violence.
Killing the wife gets you mad props from the lads down the pub
except that you can’t get the ride from the lads down the pub.
You’re drinking in the wrong pubs.
Don’t be so sensitive, its a fake gun, its like waving a blunt knife at your kids.
Sure, doesn’t everyone do that to keep the little feckers in line?
scary pictures of you being painted today. i like it
Rawr!!
are you some sort of idiot savant popping out whenever guns are mentioned? do you not see the blatant and dangerous misogyny in this? are you just afraid they might take your little hobby away? How about you move to the US where you are free to roam with likeminded morons?
Hi Nan! Nice to see a decade of being dead hasn’t improved your spelling much! How’re things?
He’s far from a moron. If you don’t include proximity to your replies, that is.
harmless lads banter
AssaultLad!
Eh, no. It’s not harmless.
Hahaha. Domestic violence is gas!
yeah, they probly should have went with the ‘chicks look hot firing guns’ angle instead..
I’ve always thought it was a very bad idea to sell these things that look (to the untrained eye certainly) like “real” guns. If I was working in a post office or betting shop and someone waved one at me, I’d hand over the money.
That’s the reason why the law then treats the person waving the replica exactly as if he or she had been waving a real firearm.
What if you’re just saying hello with your gun?
Sounds like a Ted Nugent song
The local Garda probably wouldn’t take well to you saying hello with your gun.
Whether or not “gun” was a euphemism…
But why make realistic gun replicas available to buy?
Because before the law changed in 2006 if you bought any toy gun – like those suction dart guns we all had as kids – it was legally a firearm under the Act (again, with penalties of prison time and fines). Which was clearly stupid and no other country in the world had that law so we introduced the 1 joule muzzle energy limit (every other country in the EU has the same idea, but they use a limit of either 7.5 joules, set by olympic airguns; or 17 joules, set by paintball markers).
As to why make them look like the real thing, because there’s no law against it, Smyths was full of the same thing before 2006, and they sell well.
It’s like “why do we make small cars that look like larger more expensive cars?”. Because they sell well and if someone breaks the law with them, we punish them for doing so. If we banned everything that someone might break the law with, we’d all have to live our lives in small gray boxes with no contact with anyone else.
I mean, I’m all for supporting the local small gray box industry, but…
Chill yer boots there Mark, I think the issue is with how they are sold….
Stop Santa In His Tracks
Having Trouble With The Wife
Hit ‘Em Where It Hurts
Cheaper Than A Divorce
Although, I’m sure you cannot kill Santa, as everyone knows he’s bullet proof. As for the wife… well, you could test her out, but I wouldn’t recommend it.
Is there not a law about realistic looking firearms, in the UK if you want to buy one of these it has to be painted bright colors so it doesn’t look real, doesn’t matter what energy it has. In order to own a realistic looking airsoft gun you need to be an active member of a club and have attended 3 airsoft events.also needs to be purchased through an licensed retailer.
There’s an entire section of law in the Firearms Act brought in in 2006 and 2009 governing their sale and use. We don’t require club membership or orange tips on the barrel though.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0028/print.html#sec40 if you’re interested.
There is also a sign saying Stop Santa in his Tracks. And a couple more saying Put (whomever) out of their Misery, etc. It’s a joke, like the signs outside pubs saying Husband Creche, etc. The guy who runs this shop is an absolute gentleman. Whingers gonna whinge, as usual.
Actually, maybe it is a little insensitive, but the guy who runs the shop is an extremely polite man in his eighties. Let’s not get the pitchforks just yet, even though it might be in poor taste.
Old people eh?
I think it’s called dark humour.
My father’s humour was kinda like this. He ‘d say some gas stuff about the mother.
Most people don’t take this sh*t literally.
Husband creche/ murder your wife. Potato, potato pronounced differently.
Oversensitive spousal abused bitches be crazy right?
Hi, Please note that this marketing approach has nothing to do with WE AIRSOFT EUROPE LIMITED.
Well, no sh*t.
I think Mark should be given a sitcom in which he lives with a group of walking and talking guns. Laughter track included. Titled ‘Gun for your Life’. Or ‘Gunning for the Marksman.’
How much would it pay?
.50c per joke. Industry standard.
That’s what, nearly a euro an episode?
50c per episode.
you get to finger-shoot into the camera and say BOOM after every joke. .
Hm. Might be more than this gig is paying…
Also your best friend is a talking pie.
Hm. What kind of pie? Apple? Pecan? Cherry?
This might be a deal-breaker.
Cutie. It’s a cutie pie.
Well. So long as it’s not apple. I like eating apple pie too much to have one as a best friend.
Actually Cutie Pie sounds like a better rounded and more relatable character so I think the pie gets the sitcom. Sorry Mark. You can guest star and tell de kidz about gun safety like Nancy Reagan did with de drugz.
Gah! My convenience food nemesis strikes again!
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/310pYmSG5mL.jpg
Never had pecan pie, it sounds nice
It’s the second best pie ever.
Also you’re best friend is a talking pie.
Him also?
howya Mark, fair play (no really)
on your very first comment there you mentioned something about paintball…can you explain? is it technically illegal or have I missed something
Most paintball markers meet the legal definition of a “short firearm” under the Restricted Firearms Order:
“short firearms” means firearms either with a barrel not longer than 30 centimetres or whose overall length (including the length of any detachable component) does not exceed 60 centimetres;
Problem is, paintball markers are also air pistols with a calibre of about 0.68 and the list of unrestricted firearms only includes air pistols of calibre 0.177 (which are the Olympic air pistols). Which by law, makes most paintball markers restricted short firearms – the same class your average Glock pistol fits into. And, like those, you can’t legally apply for a firearms certificate for a new one; and you can’t use one as a club firearm.
So basically if you’ve been paintballing since 2009, you’ve been using a restricted short firearm without a licence, which is an offence with a maximum penalty of seven years in prison and 20,000 in fines.
And no, this wasn’t on purpose, it was an accidental oversight. Nobody thought about paintball (or crossbows) when the restricted order was being drafted. It’ll probably be corrected if anyone ever amends the order again.
Not funny as the majority of women who are killed in this country are done so by current or ex partners.
I now know way more about Airsoft than I did this morning.
These will be the weapons to repel the third wave of feminists.
To ping them on their bra-less, unprotected boobs?
Honey, I’m Homicidal. Simply not funny. Domestic violence and abuse and marital problems arising are no joke. Beside, it’s sexist. Women can shoot too.
Yeh yeh we know
*puts gun back on shelf, follows mammy out of the shop.
This is truly pathetic… Grow a sense of humour you sap