Murphy’s Law

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Catherine Murphy

“I welcome the clarification of the High Court ruling today. It vindicates the rights of elected representatives to raise matters of public concern and for those issues to be fairly reported in our media. It is vital for democracy that clarification was provided.

The substance of my concerns has always been to have a full, competent and independent inquiry into the wider governance issues in IBRC and I will continue to pursue that through the appropriate democratic channels available to me in the Oireachtas.”

Independent TD Catherine Murphy this afternoon.

Judge says court is not entitled to restrain reporting of Dáil business (Newstalk)

Judge says he did not intend to restrict reporting on Dáil (RTÉ)

(Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland)

Thanks Ann Marie McNally

116 thoughts on “Murphy’s Law

    1. manolo

      …and a very special mention for Broadsheet, that stood up without any protection or company from the rest of the Irish press.

        1. scottser

          the journal is getting a lot of flak for collapsing at the first hint of legal action from the great redacto. serves them right, they’re only a shower of pansies.

          1. Medium Sized C

            People have to consider their own position given the information they have available to them and act accordingly.

            Their site was potentially on the line and they made a call.
            Broadsheet made a different call and fair play to them for doing so, but most media outlets made the same call as the Journal.

            Its very sanctimonious of you, some random bloke in a comments section, to be calling someone names with absolutely no risk on your part.

          2. scottser

            all broadsheet did was politely ask for clarification of the terms of the injunction. none of the other ‘news sites’ did and now they look like cowards. and you’ll probably find the journal far more concerned with the comments from its own readers than me.

            but you C, you can get fuped.

          3. rotide

            In fairness, Broadsheet didn’t politely ask for clarification, they politely told Dobb’s people to go fpup themselves and rightly so.

            C also raises a completely valid point. RTE, the Irish Times and even the Journal have a lot more to lose than Broadsheet when faced with legal proceedings from a very powerful source.

          4. The Dude

            RTÉ chose to self-censor, as did the Irish Times.

            One claims to be the national broadcaster, the other the self-styled ‘paper of record’. Both of them have more resources in the nail on their little finger than Broadsheet if it had come to a legal scrap.

            At least we all know now where we stand.

          5. rotide

            yes and Dobbs has more rescources on his fingernail than the pair of them.

            They were legally threatened, went to court and won.

            Certainly they should have had more fortitude in going ahead with the stories but ultimately they probably did the right thing. If this wasn’t a bank holiday it wouldn’t be such a hysterical deal. They lost 1 working day on the story (although about 5 in the news cycle). The story wasn’t a time sensitive story and now they can run with it all they like.

      1. louislefronde

        Typical, Broadsheet does not get the credit from lazy journalists in the mainstream Irish media for breaking the story in the first place.

        1. Anne

          Well now, Broadsheet got a bit of a mention on PrimeTime tonight.

          We’ll have to mind our Ps n Qs going forward I suppose.. **** it.

  1. Darragh Byrne

    The Irish Times, Journal.ie and RTE News need to put Catherine Murphy’s speech up on their website and show even a fraction of the bravery shown by Broadsheet.ie, The Guardian and The Sunday Times. All their advertisers should pull their money if they don’t. Boycott them into having courage.

    1. newsjustin

      RTE News online have a transcript from her speech in the Dail re interest rates.

    2. Tony

      The Irish Times have it up now – bunch of cowardly pantywaists – like it was the scoop everyone’s been waiting for – finally available for public scrutiny thanks to the paper of record.

      *slowclap*

      1. newsjustin

        It’s easy to say that when you have no stake in the game.

        I imagine decisions get a lot tougher when an editor is responsible for the mortgages of hundreds of people.

        1. B Hewson

          +1 newsjustin Anyway the whole episode he been massively damaging for a certain person, and the print/not print debate has amplified the behaviour and bullying tactics of the certain person.

        2. Tony

          You’re right of course newsjustin.

          Newspapers should never take any risks at all. Especially when threatened with ridiculous legal action seeking to prevent them covering a speech made in the Dail.

          Better safe than sorry yeah?

          1. newsjustin

            I didn’t say that. I said decisions get a lot tougher as the potential downside of those risks is bigger.

      2. The dude

        The Irish Times – the newspaper that likes to report news after its happened, rather than while its happening.

        However my scorn is particularly for the supposed state broadcaster, RTÉ, who projected themselves as champions of freedom of speech, albeit unsuccessful. Another view might be that they self-censored, purportedly on foot of their own legal advice. RTÉ cheerfully carried comments from O’Brien’s representative accusing a TD of making false statements in parliament under privilege – without relaying what the actual original statement was. Remarkable stuff altogether.

        Separately, the Taoiseach was mute throughout this saga of his own parliament being gagged – yet what authority can a gagged parliament have?

        Cumulatively these parties have done the citizens no small favour with regard to opening our eyes.

        Hats off again to Broadsheet.

        1. ahjayzis

          Our parliament has no authority, hasn’t ever really had any. The Executive has it all, and that’s the way they like it.

          It’s why we need more Catherine Murphy’s in there, she’s a ray of hope that we might actually one day have the kind of inquisitive, independent parliament the Executive will fear to f**k with.

        2. pjnally

          Can not help wondering why, day one RTE notified he who shall not……. of their intent to air. Surely his reaction was a given. Don’t get it…

    3. Mr. T.

      It’s only a f**king link from the Oirechtas website. It’s not brave. It’s normal.

  2. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    Quel surprise – not. Now, put [redacted] in front of the judge.

  3. declan

    Can we have a legal coffee drinker moment to explain how DoB’s new proposed injunction will come into place? Makes no sense to me

  4. Fergus the magic postman

    Newstalk is reporting that Denis O’ Brien’s lawyers were also seeking to have the injunction ruling altered to allow Catherine Murphy’s speech to be reported, which is a massive turnaround considering his piece in the Irish Times this morning.

    1. DaveW

      Denis O’Brien owns Newstalk.

      So take what Newstalk come out with a healthy degree of cynicism when it comes to reporting on Denis O’Brien.

    1. Frilly Keane

      I’d say he’s so shook
      N’ shame faced

      He’s had’ta ûck off to one of his sunny havens

  5. RaglanRoadBinman

    Justice has been served, Catherine Murphy TD has done the country great service.

    Ball is the government/IBRC/DOB court now, time to answer some difficult questions, urgently

  6. InisÉanna

    Well done to Broadsheet Catherine Murphy. You guys have helped to restore what little faith I had left in the political and journalistic scene. Keep it up :)

  7. Lilly

    Reason prevails. (Glad I’m not typing treason prevails).

    Well done Catherine Murphy and Broadsheet!

  8. Der

    Cathrine is great! But she enjoys the protection of that comes with her job. Broadsheet was the only media outlet doing its job here. That says a lot about the folks at Broadsheet but says more about the other media outlets in Ireland.

    1. scottser

      all broadsheet did was ask to see the injunction, which redacto couldn’t provide.

      1. manolo

        Broadsheet stood up to a legal threat that scared the pants off the entire Irish press and probably the government. What are you on?

        1. scottser

          the fact that the rest of the meeja can be rattled so easily should concern you way more how much coffee i’ve drank today lad.

          1. manolo

            It won’t hurt to give people credit for being brave in doing their job, I promise. Give it a go, go on.

          2. scottser

            i have voiced my admiration and respect for broadsheet several times over the weekend. why only last week i was furnished with a pizza experience beyond my wildest imaginings. i owe broadsheet much more than the protection of our democracy – i owe them thanks for my ever expanding waistline..

          1. Frilly Keane

            Not really?
            WTF is that half arsey s***e about

            If you want ta go there
            Come on

            Let’s have it

            Where n’ when did I let the side down?
            (besides my iffing n’butting about having t’be on the same terraces as Michael McDowell)

          2. manolo

            Is that all you have, eh? Come on, bring it on.

            So Sottser is, allegedly, high on coffee and feeling fat. What do you have to say for yourself, eh?

  9. joe

    so when it comes down to it, mainstream media has shown its irrelevancy in today’s world, on matters of importance at least.

    1. newsjustin

      But the result has been the same. Following legal argument and a clarification by the judge, everyone’s now printed the remarks of Murphy TD. And now there’s (maybe clarification) for the future.

      Am I missing something? Apart from the blanket coverage being delayed by a few days and O’Brien suffering from a case of the Streisand effect, the result has been the same, no?

        1. newsjustin

          Ok. But isn’t it of more value in the long-run that RTE and others went to court to PROVE that they had every right to publish the speech from the Dail.

          1. Joe the Lion

            No – they already had it – they had nothing to prove

            the only thing proven is the length desperate DOBBY would go to intimidate political and media opponents

      1. Joe the Lion

        No – apart from the eternally lonely braincell you’re missing nothing Justin – carry on good lad

  10. RaglanRoadBinman

    Many Thanks to broadsheet.ie, the citizens of this country owe you all great gratitude for your perseverance with this story under great intimidation

  11. swoon

    Pat Kenny has just walked out on his Newstalk show,after calling [redacted] a bloated self serving prick!

  12. ivan

    Well done.

    I think William Fry owes you an apology; they threaten you (and they were in the wrong when they threatened you, and weren’t in a position to advance any argument that they weren’t wrong) on Friday and now this, where the Judge has essentially backed you…

    1. Frilly Keane

      I thing Willie Fries own them commission!
      Weekend and Bank Holiday rates
      Partner hours too!

      No ones crying over there lemme tell ye

          1. Lilly

            Talk to them Frilly, all having a good laugh at Owen O’Sullivan’s correspondence. It’s not all about fees. Or not always at least.

          2. Frilly Keane

            Lilly love
            In firms like Fries
            And KeePMGing
            An’ all the others scrumming for the gig

            Tis always about Fees

          3. Lilly

            Clearly I’m being misled by a minority coterie of more intellectual lawyers who take pride in their work.

          4. Frilly Keane

            Indeed

            Unless your coterie of intellectuals include members from Fries & other top ten firms *rosters

            Then I’m open to persuasion

            * young uns on training contacts not included

          5. Lilly

            No interns. One big five, one barrister & one boutique. They would have to be contrary. Would you work for DO’B?

        1. ivan

          Willie Fry has serious questions to answer if

          a) last week they’re writing to Broadsheet, presumably on Dobby’s instructions, and saying ‘take that down’ and
          b) today in the High Court their Counsel says that it was never the intent of Dobby to restrain reporting of what was said in the Oireachtas.

          The bullying behaviour, of itself, last week was bad enough; it’s quite evident they were chancing their arm. The change of tack today, in the High Court, by their barrister is a serious, ahem, “reinterpretation” of the events of last week.

          As in it is hard to envisage a world where both are simultaneously not untrue.

        2. Frilly Keane

          Work for D?

          No problem
          I’ll tog out for any lad who’s good for 480 an hour
          Plus exs
          Plus vat

          1. Lilly

            Haha, because you’re worth it! I need to take a leaf from your book. €480 an hour, jeez if you’re ever looking for an intern…

          2. Frilly Keane

            Just cause they charge it
            And some ov’em even more BTW

            Has very little to do with being worth it

            Its ’cause they can get it

          3. Lilly

            I like your robust approach. I’m a bit like Michael Jackson in the oxygen tent – filter out all potential unpleasantness.

  13. Lilly

    The Irish Times has been completely discredited by this but it should come as no surprise to those of us who followed the Kate Fitzgerald story. Time perhaps for the editor to make way for someone with backbone.

  14. Kevin M

    Nevermind the journal or the times -what of the Spindo? will they publish the speech? will it be on page 22? That paper is a disgrace.

  15. Truth in the News

    It has taken Catherine Murphy and Broadsheet to publish information that was
    denied to the Public concerning matters of public interest and importance where
    they are footing the bill for financial dealings connected with companies controlled
    by Dennis O’Brien, the time has now come to scrutiny everying connected with
    his ventures and this includes to revisiting the finding’s of Moriarty Tribunal along
    with IBRC, when one looks at the attempt to silence the media, there is a lot
    at stake, We must now establish what is being hidden and establish the truth.
    He who pays the piper calls ther tune…….were calling it now….we baled out IBRC.

  16. martco

    Fair play the Broadsheet!!

    You’ve just had a massive namecheck by Olivia OLeary and major praise on her usual cutting Drivetime piece…congrats!!

  17. Fergus the magic postman

    Sepp Blatter has resigned. That leaves Dinny O B pretty much peerless.

  18. Truth in the News

    Dukes was on Prime Time asserting that what Catherine Murphy said in her
    contribution in Dail Eireann was incorrect, yet he failed to tell us all as a Public
    Interest Director and Chairman of IBRC, what are the actual terms given in write downs and preferential interest rates, Since the Dept of Finance and therefore the
    Minister are aware of all these matters, there should be no problem after todays
    court decision of coming into the Dail and putting it on the record, is after all its
    our business and our money that we are paying interest on, and will be for a long
    time to come……its over to you Mr Noonan.

  19. Anne

    All things considered, is it legal for Fry solicitors to advise Broadsheet and Broadsheet’s web hosting company that Broadsheet were in breach of a high court injunction in publishing what Catherine Murphy said in the Dail? They didn’t use the words ‘may be’.

    There should be some legal recourse available to Broadsheet for this in my opinion.

    They had to seek legal advice, and were inconvenienced with having to correspond and explain the situation to their web hosting company.

    Surely William Fry Solicitors are bringing the solicitor’s profession into disrepute by making the assertions and threats that they made… all things considered.

    1. Lilly

      No, there’s no law against solicitors chancing their arms in the name of asserting their client’s ‘rights’.

      1. Odis

        No – but then, when you do chance your arm, and it blows back in your face, it does tend to make you look like a bit of a tosser. (like peeing into the wind).

        1. dereviled

          You make it sound more like ‘gentleman’s interests’ than a legal ploy but, er, I agree.

      2. Anne

        Yeah, but they didn’t just advise them of their client’s rights.
        They advised them that they – Broadsheet were in breach of a high court injunction, when they were not.

        You can complain to the law society of Ireland here –
        https://www.lawsociety.ie/Public/Complaints-against-solicitors/

        I think this was misconduct…Writing to Broadsheet AND their web hosting company, claiming they were in breach of a high court injunction, when they were not.

        It was not just advising of their client’s rights.

          1. Fergus the magic postman

            I think the fact that they tried to compromise your relationship with your hosting company is a bit bit much to be honest.

        1. Joe the Lion

          I think it depends on whether the reasonable person could know the actual facts. As it appears the judgement had not actually been published the reasonable person could infer that it’s terms of reference included all reported speech related to the original broadcast. That’s why Broadsheets strategy of asking for the terms of the injunction was successful, if Fry had admitted they knew what was in the injunction they would be in hot water now. More generally I do agree with your point. And with the others too about the ethics of lawyers here. In a recent case opposing side got up and told a pile of porkies essentially and I called him a flat liar in the courtroom. Cue a lot of tut tutting behind me. He brazened it out of course but got an adjournment on a technicality and next day was not too bolshy. Lawyers = heterosexual cockrock

          1. ivan

            But as i’ve said above, Fry’s position is made worse by the fact that their counsel said in front of a Judge that his client had not tried to restrain reporting of what was said in the Dail when actually the letter sent to Broadsheet demonstrates the exact opposite.

            To this cynical mind, though I wasn’t there, it’d nearly seem as if their counsel misled the court. Or that it’s a different Minion of Dobby who was firing out the legal instructions last week as it was yesterday.

            If you’re seeking a equitable relief, like an injunction, you have to play *more* fair than in a normal court case and it almost appears as if Dobby’s lads were playing dirty from the get go and if that’s the case, a complaint should be made or at the very least an apology sought.

          2. rotide

            Where is all the info about broadsheet asking for clarification of the terms of the injunction and the web hosting company being written to coming from?

            I think I missed a post or two, can anyone point me to them?

          3. Anne

            Joe, they made the assertion that Broadsheet were in breach of the high court injunction.

            They also stated, “the terms of which are very wide and cover what could be reported about what was said in the Dail by Catherine Murphy”.

            That was not correct.

            In terms of ‘if a reasonable person could know the actual facts and infer if it’s terms of reference included all reported speech’ they made the assertion that the terms of the injunction did cover all reported speech. Again, that was not correct.

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