59 thoughts on “Shannon On Carrick

      1. Clampers Outside!

        You think…. they don’t do time, so public shaming is all ordinary folk have.

        Or, did you approve of Phil Hogan’s shutting down of all the local planning investigations. That’s a new build, it shouldn’t be there at all.
        Or maybe you have an alternative suggestion, I dunno. But doing nothing won’t stop it happening again either…. suggestions welcome MSC :)

          1. pixel_pimp

            fraud? selling property that isn’t fit for purpose unless you enjoy living in a wet suit?
            rather than a driveway they should more properly have been equipped with a mooring.

            making apologies for poor planning that causes distress & harm to citizens not only enables the practices to continue but is deeply offensive to those who have become victims to errors, oversight and over optimistic projections or worse.

        1. some old queen

          The Margret Thatcher planning vision of South Armagh is now looking like a virus across the island?

        2. Clo

          Could also give a mention to the developers, P Elliot, purveyor of many other quality properties, and, inevitably you might say given the level of judgement and foresight shown in this particular piece of work, now in NAMA. You go entrepreneurs!

    1. Chucky R. Law

      It’s all about progress and bringing in jobs. Sure that flood plain was only going to waste before they built that.

    2. Deluded

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    3. Deluded

      Oh wait – that’s commercial property:
      Situated on a major artery on the most extensive catchment basin in Britain or Ireland,
      GreyWater Retail and Pedalo Park offers a unique opportunity in catering to boat-people and the rapidly developing scuba community.

      (Thanks pixel_pimp ; )

  1. Truth in the News

    Funny on the other side of Shannon is the Leitrim County Council Planning
    Office, however the Carrick on Shannon flooding is directly related to the water
    levels controlled by the ESB to provide water foot acerage to generate power
    at Ard na Crusha Hydro Station with an installed capacity of 83 Mw, what exactly
    is the 2015 purpose of this Hydro System when the total demand is just over 5000Mw, its contribution is miniscule….indeed irrevlant, a time has come to manage the Shannon to drain the entire catchment area and not flood it, will it
    take a major downpour of 200 mm in a day or so to find out the folly of it all
    The ultimate responsibilty for it all is the Government, they enacted the original
    1925 Act setting up the Shannon Project at a cost of 5.8 Million Pounds, if they
    are sued it will cost more than annual amount the ESB derive from the Station
    it will cost Billions…..Who Runs the ESB, Who is the only Shareholder – Mr Noonan.

    1. Chucky R. Law

      Yes, a weir 200km away and on the far side of 2 of the largest lakes in the country is definitely to blame.

    2. Deluded

      How far away is Ardnacrusha?
      What is the square mileage of catchment or how many billion litres of water has to move at what speed over a number of weeks to drain the hundreds of kilometres upriver?
      I think this is in complete contrast to the recent High Court ruling that found the ESB 60% liable and UCC 40% liable for the 2009 floods that affected the university (Flood waters were released to protect Inniscarra Dam).
      Flood plains are required to hold cubic kilometres of floodwater and stop them from inundating infrastructure, that is the experience of heavily industrialised countries.
      Some excellent diagrams in this paper:
      ftp://ftp.science.ru.nl/pub/toinesmits/course%20material%20IWM%202011/Flood%20management%20options%20for%20The%20Netherlands.pdf

      1. Truth in the News

        The ESB are appealing this decision and while not prejudging the
        Surpreme Court, UCD did not cause the flood, an act of God they
        say, really, God runs the weather system, and the ESB controls the
        water levels on all four major hydro systems and providing the authority
        the Government, We now have to accept that way these systems are
        managed will eventually lead to a disaster and Cork had a near shave
        We needed these systems when the entire load was only twice the generation capacity….this no longer is the case and the only use the
        systems now are used for is peaking and wind farm generation drop out.
        A time has come to investigate the running of the ESB, one has only to
        look at the pylons issue, PR and spin do much to save the dwellings and
        farms flooded and ruined, this has gone on for years, indeed who was the Minister at the behest of the ESB over 30 years ago made a Statuory
        Instrument to increase the water level in the Shannon…….?.

        1. CousinJack

          Of course no other developed country has pylons?
          Oh sorry, yes they all do because its 5 to 20 times cheaper tahn undergrounding, plus safer and much easier to fix

          1. Truth in the News

            Actually much cheaper, safer and a much longer
            life cycle….not to mention the reduced transmission
            loss in damp conditions….and the landscape preserved.

      2. Truth in the News

        Where are the flood plains on the Redding/Sacremento Rivers that
        supply the Californian Aqueduct, in fact the flood plain which is 40
        foot under sea level outside San Francisco is drained and farmed
        What country or nation would allow the lives and dwellings both urban
        and rural including farms to be inundated with water from a poorly managed body……would the Dutch flood their country…and they in some cases are 70 to 100 feet below sea level with a major river discharging on their territory.

        1. Malta

          Why do you insist on putting all the full stops in your posts grouped together?

          Sentences, my friend. Use them.

    3. Deluded

      Cork is built on sandbars in a river estuary. I’m not sure what influence the department of the built environment had on the siting of buildings on the university campus. Probably as little as in the real world. Personally I believe in condensation and the dew-point, the cold front unseen and the barometric drop, the division of winds and rain everlasting (Cork was subject to flooding pre-industrialisation, I doubt it has sinned less or more over the centuries)
      http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/history/floodsincork/

      1. Truth in the News

        Cork has two water problems, tidal and a badly managed dam, no freeboad
        is allowed on the water behind the dam to accomodate high rain fall and to
        save the dam, the last epidsode it had to be discharged into a high tide
        why was the water held back until the last minute…..where are the online water level sensors on the ESB hydro systems similar to the OPW that would provide the public with direct knowledge, Why all the secrecy, whats being hidden, there have been several Hydro Dam failures over the years, and we are ignoring the issue, just beause the ESB are infallible
        The tidal problen in Cork is not insolvable either, other nations have built
        and employed quite simple barriers, whats so different about Cork…or is
        the idea to turn into Venice of the South:

        1. Nigel

          I’m all up for believing the ESB mismanage stuff but if you think that they are one of only two problems that cause flooding, and the other problem entirely natural, you are either out of your tree or deliberately focusing blame on a state agency to take the focus of gross mismanagement elsewhere in terms of planning, development and agriculture.

    4. Deluded

      “On the 17th January 1789, a flood such as had not been seen in the city in living memory swept through the valley, submerging everything in its path in a matter of hours. The entire city from the Mayor’s residence (the present Mercy Hospital), to the lower reaches of the harbour were completely covered, forming an inland lake. Only the vigilence of the citizens prevented a major catastrophe….”*
      …which made me question the relevance of this statement by the university:
      http://interactive.ucc.ie/GH/modules/resources/flooding/flooding.pdf
      …I think the problems are more complex and further afield and the immediate solution is brutal; we should move uphill like sensible creatures.
      *source: “Of Timber, Iron and Stone” Antoin O’Callaghan, 1991.

    5. CousinJack

      I thought control of Parteen weir was now with the OPW?

      Sure the ESB should flood limerick to protect farmland, or just hold up water until the dam fails – what could possible be wrong with that?

      1. Deluded

        The argument, CousinJack, was that the ESB could have drained Inniscara in the weeks leading to the forecasted inundation of rain and forfeited the boost to capacity provided by the dam… If I lived or traded in the city I would happily forego boiling the kettle or tumble-drying my clothes in the evening if it would save me later… It is the politics of the semi-state body that intrigues Truth in the News.
        http://www.theguardian.com/business/2005/feb/05/enron.usnews

          1. Deluded

            Yes, storms like Desmond are so high-energy we can track them being swept from the hot mid-Atlantic across Northern Europe by the prevailing winds from June-November.

        1. Truth in the News

          All governments of either hue are afraid to take on the ESB
          they created this body and it has being out of control with years
          Who represents the Public Interest and the Consumer on the
          Board and look at the price of Electricity……its time the Public
          took them on.

          1. CousinJack

            Price of electric is a completely different thing. Price of electricty when ESB was a monopoly was second cheapest in EU, with competition the electricity price (across all providers) is second/third highest in the EU. Irish market is not sustainable as population is so dispersed.

      2. Truth in the News

        The ESB built and control the sluices, control was transferred from the
        OPW to the ESB under 1925 Act, and there is a raft of Acts going on
        raising the level of the Shannon, in addition the Ard na Crusha Station
        was designed for 6 penstocks, ie 6 Turbines, only four were installed
        in other words the system can accomodade a faster spill rate…600 Cubic
        Mtr per/sec instead of 400….just because its an iconic project and was
        foundation of the ESB, it is not beyond scrutiny…..too many lives at
        risk……who gave the right to the ESB to flood dwellings and farms.
        Incidently in the old control room in Ard na Crusha, the Mw output display
        indicator has 120 Mw on its dial….the installed capacity is about 83 Mw.

        1. Deluded

          I could only care less if I was actually unconscious. The irrelevance of your point to Co. Leitrim is spectacular, nay, heroic.

        2. Truth in the News

          Anyone looked at the profits in the ESB and the internal costs/
          depreciation figures
          Plus all the perks, how much is the cost of the electricity discount
          given to certain employees, oh and the fine dining in HQ.
          This outfit is another sacred cow that needs culling.

      3. Deluded

        CousinJack, we have satellites tracking hurricanes as they splinter crossing the thermocline so we can see and gauge masses of saturated air passing from the tropics. We know it’s going to be a wet month. For the particulars the ECMWF is the best model out to 10days which is sufficient for us to prepare for rain belts 2000km across.
        http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/models.asp
        Electricity generation, I presume, requires a certain head of water (height of water above the turbines).
        Inniscarra might be offline for weeks when domestic energy demand is higher (wet and cold lol)
        I can’t find refill-rate data for that reservoir and how long before it could come back online nor the details of commercial demand.

        1. Deluded

          Pardon, not the “thermocline” ….
          Hurricanes cross the doldrums transferring from the Trade winds to the Westerlies

      1. Sam

        air going under the house isn’t much of a threat. Those stilts would have to be sturdy enough to withstand a passing tree trunk in the water if you live on a flood plain.

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