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Alan Caulfield and Seán O’Driscoll, in The Times of Ireland, report:
The state has promised to halt construction work on historic buildings on Moore Street linked to the 1916 Rising, pending a full hearing in two weeks.
At least 30 protesters have been occupying the crumbling red-brick terrace since Thursday, fearing that some of the buildings would be demolished after construction workers erected hoardings in front of numbers 13 to 19.
Numbers 14 to 17 have been designated national monuments and are to be turned into a museum and visitor attraction, but protesters are concerned about the possible demolition of adjoining buildings despite claims by Heather Humphreys, the arts and heritage minister, that they were not historically significant.
… James Connolly’s descendants have split over how much of the street should be protected, with each side accusing the other of failing to preserve the street’s unique history.
John Connolly, the trade union leader and rebel leader’s grandson, said that he fully backed the government’s designation of No 14 to No 17 Moore Street as national heritage sites and called for the protest to end.
…He added that there had been a split in the Save No 16 Moore Street committee, with seven members backing the government and six walking away.
His claim that there were absolute assurances from the government about preserving the interior of No 14 to No 17 Moore Street is contested by his cousin, James Connolly Heron, who is James Connolly’s great-grandson. Despite the split, he is still officially the recording secretary of the Save No 16 Moore Street committee.
…Mr Connolly Heron favours a plan to make the entire area behind the GPO an Easter Rising heritage area. He wants the government to buy up No 10 to No 18 Moore Street.
Moore Street building work is put on hold (The Times of Ireland)
Previously: Moore As We Get It
Illustration by Gary Jones
Knock them all, nothing from 1916 is of historical importance only to foaming ra heads
nice blushirt take on irish history, pining for the days that queen victoria was in charge
Not at all: love the Republic, hate terrorists.
Saint Paul
hate the Republic – silly old construct for a bygone era
Terrorists – yesterday’s terrorist is today’s freedom fighter
maybe not ‘love’ but ‘respect’
Just sayin
(i) In the case of the Provos, yesterday’s terrorist remains today’s terrorist – unless murdering and racketeering don’t count as crimes;
(ii) In the case of the Republic, what else might one call a representative democracy with a non-royal at the helm;
(iii) In the case of being glib, a level of basic gumption or insight not gained from a sociolgy primer is a welcome accompaniment.
“……..James Connolly’s descendants have split over how much of the street should be protected, with each side accusing the other of failing to preserve the street’s unique history.” The Split! You couldn’t make it up!
provisional protect moore st? continuity protect moore st? real protect moore st?
What about the biscuit factory over by Grand Canal Dock?
Can’t that be saved from Google turning it into something useful?
That too should remain a dump like Moore Street.
Speaking of dumps, didn’t James Connolly take a dump in the old toilets on O’Connell Street, we must preserve them too. Preserve everything, lets keep the city looking s**t.
Those underground toilets are still there, preserved in concrete
Do you mean the original Boland’s Mill that’s now the NAMA Building?
If there’s anything the city needs more of, it’s modern architecture. Buildings like Liberty Hall, Hawkins House, The Civic Offices at Wood Quay, and the Central Bank – these buildings have turned Dublin into the bustling modern metropolis that it is today. We can’t be bullied by Sinn Féin/IRA, the CIRA, the PIRA, or James’s Connolly’s great-grandson any longer.
Don’t get me started on Moore Street either. Sociologists and architects agree, one more shite shopping centre is what the north inner city needs to make it the next Covent Garden. I mean who has more visitors? Kilmainham Gaol, or H&M? Exactly.
Ok, so we’re agreed. We need to get rid of nationalism in Ireland by removing all tri-colours and that bloody terrorists sympathiser song, Amhrain na Feenians, and replace them with the European flag and that European anthem Beethoven song.
We need to clear Moore Street and build another shopping centre. We need to knock down Kilmainham Gaol because D8 is THE place to be right now, and the cold, smelly, old, (terrorist) history filled shitehole takes up way too much space, and we finally need to take all those stupid terrorist names off streets. Parnell Square? Why not Maxwell Square?
Wait, is that what you were trying to say, or have I read to much into it?
Signed,
Wayne Elizabeth Farrell.
Wasn’t Dev in the building that is now the Treasury Building?
Google have nothing to do with that.
The mill building which is currently up for development is not the Boland’s Mills which was one of the ‘locations’ for the 1916 Rising.
Now correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t the 1916 Societies which are occupying these buildings just a front for dissident republicans ?
Knock them down with them inside, will save the cost of jailing them for drugs & protection rackets after easter over.
you’re wrong. on soooooo many levels.
Well Scottser………………care to elaborate ?
will i make chicken fried rice or chicken balti for dinner? i fancy the fried rice but i’ll have to pick up some fresh ginger..
what do you reckon?
Why should he, you made an unsubstantiated accusation. You are the one who should be elaborating.
It could be turned into a good battle site museum.
Education, history, tourism & debates on the site where events took place.
I do find it ironic that the grandchildren of the participants are given such a voice. Many of them never met their forebears. Some citizens are more equal than others.
In part treated like royalty. The sweetest irony.
It truly is, the same crowd were recently complaining that they were not consulted about the 1916 celebrations as much as they would have liked.
Should someone tell them what citizens and a republic means?
I was excited for a moment that this was going to be a Mick Flavin drawing.
“descendants” mouthing off as if their say had any more weight than the common or garden citizen of Ireland. Do these “descendants” not realise that a claim to a voice to be heard above others on the grounds of heritage is the very thing their forefathers died fighting against… an inherited place in society…
They can all kiss the back of my hairy bottom…. “descendants” me eye.
Hypocrites all who use such claims for any advantage!!
Saint Paul says:
How dare any citizen have any sort of contrary opinion on anything lest it get disapproved of by the Broadsheet Trolletariat
I ain’t trolling.
I am very much against a “birth right” of any sort, especially when this lot were dictating who should and should not be invited to OUR countries celebration of 1916. It’s not their celebration. And now an opportunity top show a mature nation is squandered by petty small mindedness.
Like the countries of WW1 and WW2 who show far much more maturity in coming together in remembrance of those past horrors, I was hoping that as a nation the people of Ireland could rise above the small mindedness that pervaded the discussions on who should and should not be invited. Unfortunately, the ‘children’ threw a strop and ruined any chance of that.
Saint Paul
Who are they ‘dictating’ to exactly? I don’t feel oppressed by someone especially those with a tangible connection to our recent history, expressing a personal view?
I didn’t even read the rest of your post to be honest.
Our sense of family has really contracted and narrowed if we’re going to spurn the people descended from those who took part in historic events, whether they were heroes or villains or victims. We don’t have to defer to them, but it seems a bit bolshy to deny that they represent of a living connection to the past, either.
Saint Paul
I agree with Nigel on this one.
There are elderly people still alive whose parents took part in the Rising. They were directly affected by events. their oral history should be recorded as a matter of urgency.
After that however, it all gets a bit more blurry.
They’re merely people and have only an equal say to everyone else, not a greater say.
You need to re-read me post boss.
Actively denying invitations to many in the UK…. Hand picking who they want…. Self congratulatory and self appointed nonsense assumed by nothing more than chance of birth.
If you do not see the hypocritical position in that, and on such an occasion, you are blind. All their dead relatives of 1916 would see it, and surely turn their backs in their graves for their descendants taking on what is essentially a monarchical style patronage.
Well, I agree wholeheartedly with your republican anti-monarchical stance, though I suspect that a bunch of guys who decided to take upon themselves the job of staging a violent rebellion with fairly minimal public support might not be too bothered by a bunch of their descendants sticking their oars into some commemorative decisions. These people obviously have no authority save that granted to them as a courtesy, not so much to them as to their ancestors.. That they abuse that authority is disappointing, I haven’t been following this thing at all, but that behaviour sounds less monarchical than typically parochial.
Pearse & Co Occupation April 1916
Paris Bakery Occupation June 2014
Descendants’ Occupation January 2016
Moore Street falls more often than Palermo..
never underestimate its strategic location as the epicentre of phone unlocking in the city.
Saint Paul
Right you are
Its getting on my wick
I couldnt care less
Have to keep Kilmainham Jail ….we need more Fu Man Chu films!
Is there any appetite for levelling it into an open square with public seating and a monumental marquee sculpture. Like in Washington DC?
Rebellion Square