“hi” being a Northern phrase at the end of many a Northerners sentences… as in, “you know what I mean hi”
As for the IW bit. Well, anyone with an eye on SF knows they didn’t give a tuppenny damn about it until they lost a seat to Paul Murphy.
Don’t mind Dav.
Shayna
Hi (not meant as a pun – but there you go) Clampers Outside. The ‘Hi’ bit is pretty much a Derry thing. If you ask for directions in Derry, they say, something like, “It’s just around the corner, hi”. If you visit Derry, it’s just one of those things… hi!
Paddy
Spot on.
They had a Pauline conversion after ‘loosing’ that by election seat in tallaght, I think.
Quite extraordinary that the AAA and PBP groups aren’t tearing SF apart on this: don’t they realise that SF is their greatest threat to marginal seats that they may have a chance in.
And then, months back in a cruel irony GErry Adams speaks at a huge anti Irish water gathering in dublin on International human rights day, and not so much as one heckle from the assembled crowd….
Rob_G
That’s strange; I thought Sinn Féin were already in gGovt in Northern Ireland, and they don’t seem to have any problem with water charges up there.
Disasta
LoL +1
Declan
Let’s not complicate the spin – remember the current Sinn Fein isn’t a product of the 70’s and can be linked all the way back to the Sinn Fein of post 1916 (unlike those pre 1916 dual monarchist traitors)
Conor
The smell of irony … Sinn Fein defends water chargers in the North… Irish politics is a joke:(
pc guy
we’re doomed .. utterly doomed .. there is no party who could win this years election and do a good job. none at all.
Davos
“Led” ????
“Lead” surely.
WU
not really, no
Davos
Led is the past tense of Lead
Lead is the present and future tense of Lead
The need to engage in populist politics outweighs the need for a functioning water infrastructure.
Lorcan Nagle
A significant percentage of water protestors don’t have a problem with paying for water, they have a problem with Irish Water.
Declan
The Water Protests were about austerity and most people would pay for the water (and we need to improve the infrastructure). Frankly it’s some of the more “crazy” protestors who ruined it for people. And if you’re wondering who the crazies are, just look at the comments sections on facebook for water protest related stuff.
Zuppy International
We already pay for water.
Declan
We already pay for hospitals too but everyone’s adorable granny is still plonked on a trolley over the weekend.
In a political bun fight, water infrastructure will always loose out to schools and hospitals. Irish Water for all it’s dopeyness is the right idea, fence off the funding and take it out of the hands of short term thinking
Zuppy International
The disaster that is the Irish Water quango is the short term thinking: it’s the preparation for privatisation.
We already pay – Now deliver the services as mandated by our taxes.
Nigel
So? A system of water charges is still a good idea. Until this shower bollixed it up.
Zuppy International
Water charges are only a good idea if you want to convert a public resource into private profit.
Cup of tea anyone?
water charges are a necessity in this country wether we like it or not. we need a water utility set up to improve the current infrastructure but also charge per usage as water is a limited resource at times and it costs money to purify so the only way to make people reduce their usage is to charge them.
However Irish water and and all that went with it is the problem.
The solution is to set up a not for profit government utility, charge per liter of water used and reduce the taxes that previously paid for the water.
Zuppy International
We already pay for water.
Sam
Households account for about 10- 15% of water use. Why should Irish Water bill them for about 80% of the charges?
To make it a tradable commodity.
We already pay for water, our taxes already paid for the existing network of pipes and pumps which we need to fix.
The vultures can feck off, most people aren’t giving in.
Cian
Your figures are incorrect for both domestic usage and the percentage charged to domestic users; by huge factors.
Zuppy International
Yet you provide no alternative figures.
We already pay.
Cian
I didn’t feel it was needed, considering it was just a re-wittering of the lies on the Right2Water leaflet posted here a few days ago and deconstructed in the comments
Commercial meter charges vary wildly by county still, but are uncapped with a standing charge (also variable – can be over a grand in Dublin City Council). Some simple maths shows that household users are not paying “80% of charges” although even if they were it would still be many orders off the wibble posted by Sam.
You repeating “we already pay” as a mantra doesn’t make it true.
Zuppy International
We already pay.
2% of VAT
5% of motor tax.
Universal Social Charge.
Property tax.
ETC, ETC
You denying the truth and parroting the privatisation cabal’s talking points does not mean we don’t already pay.
Now deliver the services as mandated and paid for by our taxes.
Cian
You’re repeating the constantly rabbited sections of a revoked bill. All your mantras are invalid, no matter how much you’ve convinced yourself of the truth by repeating them.
Had that not been revoked, it still isn’t a valid argument.
VAT was cut since that bill was introduced. It has increased since, but was cut.
The motor tax system defined in that bill only applies to pre-2008 cars
The VRT system defined in that bill only applies to pre-2008 cars.
USC goes to the general exchequer
Property Tax goes to the general exchequer and local authorities.
There is no “privitisation cabal” except in your head – the one you’ve filled with little mantras of nonsense.
Cian
You may also want to understand what a “deficit” is – our taxes still don’t pay for all services provided in the first place. Nothing is ‘paid twice’ as the mindless mantras claim as nothing is actually paid once to begin with.
Zuppy International
‘The Deficit’, as created by the criminal baking system?
“USC goes to the general exchequer
Property Tax goes to the general exchequer and local authorities.”
So we do pay. Always have.
How’s Elizabeth Arnett btw, we haven’t heard from her in a while?
Cian
The deficit that would still be there without a cent having gone to the banking system due to the previous governments absolute reliance on consumption taxes.
You appear to have poor to no understand of basic logic, basic mathematics or even basic debating skills. Might be worth your time learning these rather than memorising little soundbites, untrue mantras and inaccurate figures.
If Right2Water didn’t lie about figures constantly – the number paying, the number at their protests, the figures on that laughable leaflet – their points might not be lost on everyone except the far left.
Zuppy International
We already pay. There is no debate.
Kieran NYC
“criminal baking system”
Zounds, Zuppy! You’ve cracked it!! Cracked its warm, crispy exterior and revealed its fluffy corrupt interior.
LoL – how does it feel to have every crackpot idea you’ve ever had be absolutely wrong?
Bobby
Damn straight! You tell ’em Sinn Fein. ONLY governments can do things.
*casts ballot, goes home to watch telly*
Leaning to the centre
Where are the bodies buried scumbags?
Custo
I just found out today that the €100 Water Conservation Grant is an annual thing.
Looks like an ad for The Sun.
On another note. Sinn Fein didn’t give a tuppenny damn about IW until they lost a seat.
Don’t believe the ‘ Hi ”
Don’t, Don’t !
Don’t believe the Hi !
What kind of bull are you on about?
it’s blushirt distraction strategy
“hi” being a Northern phrase at the end of many a Northerners sentences… as in, “you know what I mean hi”
As for the IW bit. Well, anyone with an eye on SF knows they didn’t give a tuppenny damn about it until they lost a seat to Paul Murphy.
Don’t mind Dav.
Hi (not meant as a pun – but there you go) Clampers Outside. The ‘Hi’ bit is pretty much a Derry thing. If you ask for directions in Derry, they say, something like, “It’s just around the corner, hi”. If you visit Derry, it’s just one of those things… hi!
Spot on.
They had a Pauline conversion after ‘loosing’ that by election seat in tallaght, I think.
Quite extraordinary that the AAA and PBP groups aren’t tearing SF apart on this: don’t they realise that SF is their greatest threat to marginal seats that they may have a chance in.
And then, months back in a cruel irony GErry Adams speaks at a huge anti Irish water gathering in dublin on International human rights day, and not so much as one heckle from the assembled crowd….
That’s strange; I thought Sinn Féin were already in gGovt in Northern Ireland, and they don’t seem to have any problem with water charges up there.
LoL +1
Let’s not complicate the spin – remember the current Sinn Fein isn’t a product of the 70’s and can be linked all the way back to the Sinn Fein of post 1916 (unlike those pre 1916 dual monarchist traitors)
The smell of irony … Sinn Fein defends water chargers in the North… Irish politics is a joke:(
we’re doomed .. utterly doomed .. there is no party who could win this years election and do a good job. none at all.
“Led” ????
“Lead” surely.
not really, no
Led is the past tense of Lead
Lead is the present and future tense of Lead
I suppose past tense sums up SF.
I’ll just leave this here:
http://www.constructionireland.ie/construction-news/193273/minister-accused-of-failing-to-invest-in-water-infrastructure
The need to engage in populist politics outweighs the need for a functioning water infrastructure.
A significant percentage of water protestors don’t have a problem with paying for water, they have a problem with Irish Water.
The Water Protests were about austerity and most people would pay for the water (and we need to improve the infrastructure). Frankly it’s some of the more “crazy” protestors who ruined it for people. And if you’re wondering who the crazies are, just look at the comments sections on facebook for water protest related stuff.
We already pay for water.
We already pay for hospitals too but everyone’s adorable granny is still plonked on a trolley over the weekend.
In a political bun fight, water infrastructure will always loose out to schools and hospitals. Irish Water for all it’s dopeyness is the right idea, fence off the funding and take it out of the hands of short term thinking
The disaster that is the Irish Water quango is the short term thinking: it’s the preparation for privatisation.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/water-companies-set-for-15billion-profits-1648068
Ditto the Health Service: deliberately f**k it up so privatisation seems like a reasonable option.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/jul/12/virgin-care-children-nhs-devon
Don’t give in to the corporate agenda.
We already pay – Now deliver the services as mandated by our taxes.
So? A system of water charges is still a good idea. Until this shower bollixed it up.
Water charges are only a good idea if you want to convert a public resource into private profit.
water charges are a necessity in this country wether we like it or not. we need a water utility set up to improve the current infrastructure but also charge per usage as water is a limited resource at times and it costs money to purify so the only way to make people reduce their usage is to charge them.
However Irish water and and all that went with it is the problem.
The solution is to set up a not for profit government utility, charge per liter of water used and reduce the taxes that previously paid for the water.
We already pay for water.
Households account for about 10- 15% of water use. Why should Irish Water bill them for about 80% of the charges?
To make it a tradable commodity.
We already pay for water, our taxes already paid for the existing network of pipes and pumps which we need to fix.
The vultures can feck off, most people aren’t giving in.
Your figures are incorrect for both domestic usage and the percentage charged to domestic users; by huge factors.
Yet you provide no alternative figures.
We already pay.
I didn’t feel it was needed, considering it was just a re-wittering of the lies on the Right2Water leaflet posted here a few days ago and deconstructed in the comments
Domestic uses about 65% of all water (so many orders off), commerce and industry 30% and agriculture 5% – figures here: http://www.wfdireland.ie/docs/35_Economics/Economic%20Analysis%20of%20Water%20use.pdf
Commercial meter charges vary wildly by county still, but are uncapped with a standing charge (also variable – can be over a grand in Dublin City Council). Some simple maths shows that household users are not paying “80% of charges” although even if they were it would still be many orders off the wibble posted by Sam.
You repeating “we already pay” as a mantra doesn’t make it true.
We already pay.
2% of VAT
5% of motor tax.
Universal Social Charge.
Property tax.
ETC, ETC
You denying the truth and parroting the privatisation cabal’s talking points does not mean we don’t already pay.
Now deliver the services as mandated and paid for by our taxes.
You’re repeating the constantly rabbited sections of a revoked bill. All your mantras are invalid, no matter how much you’ve convinced yourself of the truth by repeating them.
Had that not been revoked, it still isn’t a valid argument.
VAT was cut since that bill was introduced. It has increased since, but was cut.
The motor tax system defined in that bill only applies to pre-2008 cars
The VRT system defined in that bill only applies to pre-2008 cars.
USC goes to the general exchequer
Property Tax goes to the general exchequer and local authorities.
There is no “privitisation cabal” except in your head – the one you’ve filled with little mantras of nonsense.
You may also want to understand what a “deficit” is – our taxes still don’t pay for all services provided in the first place. Nothing is ‘paid twice’ as the mindless mantras claim as nothing is actually paid once to begin with.
‘The Deficit’, as created by the criminal baking system?
“USC goes to the general exchequer
Property Tax goes to the general exchequer and local authorities.”
So we do pay. Always have.
How’s Elizabeth Arnett btw, we haven’t heard from her in a while?
The deficit that would still be there without a cent having gone to the banking system due to the previous governments absolute reliance on consumption taxes.
You appear to have poor to no understand of basic logic, basic mathematics or even basic debating skills. Might be worth your time learning these rather than memorising little soundbites, untrue mantras and inaccurate figures.
If Right2Water didn’t lie about figures constantly – the number paying, the number at their protests, the figures on that laughable leaflet – their points might not be lost on everyone except the far left.
We already pay. There is no debate.
“criminal baking system”
Zounds, Zuppy! You’ve cracked it!! Cracked its warm, crispy exterior and revealed its fluffy corrupt interior.
LoL – how does it feel to have every crackpot idea you’ve ever had be absolutely wrong?
Damn straight! You tell ’em Sinn Fein. ONLY governments can do things.
*casts ballot, goes home to watch telly*
Where are the bodies buried scumbags?
I just found out today that the €100 Water Conservation Grant is an annual thing.
IW will not be privatised.
Because. I said so. And I’ll make sure of it.