The HunReal Issues tweetz:
Repeal The 8th Maser doughnuts in Aungier Danger on Aungier Street ‘[Dublin 2] for today only! Be fast!
Meanwhile…
Spotted along Kevin Street this morning.
Previously: Meanwhile, In Temple Bar
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This is far better than the knickers.
As is the headline ;)
+a lot
Groupthink is a bitch.
I’ll just leave this here: http://www.theunchoice.com/pdf/FactSheets/PortraitsOfCoercion.pdf
You’ll excuse me if I distrust the stats quoted from an anti abortion advocacy group like the elliot institue.
Please don’t leave it here. We already know how feeble minded women are.
It’s a wonder how we, being so mentally challenged, are trusted with upbringing of children. If you have discussions on that – then please do leave it here. Thank you.
That’s your vagina talking and you know it! Grow some sense woman, you’re clearly hysterical!!!!one11!
You don’t have a front bottom
And yet you’re hysterectomical
Who knows anymore
Ireland’s abortion referendum is about giving choice to women.
That link shows a lot of women who were clearly NOT given a choice, but were pressured. Your link references a flyer for all those “facts” contained in it… the flyer is called ‘Forced Abortion in America’.
That is, NOT choice.
You know, the ‘group’ thinks that people “need” to breathe to stay conscious.
You should prove those sheeple wrong.
all this creativity and effort should be focused into reaching the people who oppose appealing the 8th amendment. no good preaching to the choir. all these murals, jumpers etc. in the heart of creative dublin isnt going to (a) reach people against it (b) eduate them .. just saying ‘repeal’ doesnt help. there has to be education.
You’re right but I think these kind of things probably encourage people to speak up more.
..or get slapped down!
It brings it up as a conversation topic in public sphere.
That in itself is an achievement given so few people can talk about their own experiences.
But if you eat the cake, it’ll be gone. Then how will people know what you’re thinking?
because everyone photographs their food before consumption and shares on social media, that’s just the law these days.
Oooh! A repeal the 8th cake. Well that’ll change minds won’t it? Nothing like a bit of confectionary to convince people, who think abortion is murder, that it is not.
Well I don’t think that the people who think abortion is murder are reachable on this issue, to be honest. Perhaps it is possible to redefine what you consider murder, but I would be very surprised.
This type of campaign builds solidarity among the people who can be reached.
Those people are a lost cause. There is no point trying to “convince” them nor is there any obligation. Things like this serve to keep abortion in the public consciousness amd eventually pressure our government to at least hold a referendum on it
Just like the people who thought gays shouldn’t get married were a lost cause eh?
33% voted against so yes.
That 33% was probably like 75% ten years beforehand. We didn’t get new people, they got new opinions.
Not from a marketing campaign though. They get it over time by seeing gay people portrayed as 3 dimensional human beings in the media.
Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don’t think that anyone who thought it was an abomination in the sight of god was massively converted. People who were a bit ambivalent, who didn’t really think very much about it, who didn’t have very strong feelings either way, those were the people who weren’t campaigners but who were open to persuasion.
If you start from the point that abortion is murder, where is the room to be convinced there?
For any given referendum, 30% definite yes, 30% definite no, with no ability to persuade them to change their mind.
Each side just needs to convince 21% to their cause.
Trying to identify that 21% is the tricky bit.
You for one should know about
Lost causes
Cake is murder. On my hips.
These do look delicious but.. Seems like a pretty cynical attempt to cash in on media attention to be honest. The profits aren’t going to the campaign to repeal the 8th or to the Abortion Support Network (something that might actually be helpful).
I’d like to think a donation is to be made on the back of the sales.
I’d like to think so too! But, based on their Facebook page, that’s not the plan.
Yes they are
Great! Where did you see that, George?
Oh look, some clown has vandalised private property by sprayed ugly ‘repeal the 8th’ slogans. No Banksy now is (s)he? That is going to sway the undecided alright… in the opposite direction. MORONS !
+1
At least they did spell it right to avoid getting slated on Broadsheet, but it came at the sacrifice of style.
I think abortion should be legal.
However, this repeal crowd are a sensitive lot. Seeing how Richie Egan and Cian Healy have been attacked in the last few days is shocking.
What happened those guys?
They were retrospectively aborted.
Big old twitter attacks after the tweeted regarding the campaign.
In Short:
Richie Egan compared the removal of the Repeal mural to Milo Yiannopolos’ removal from twitter. He seemed to question why the same demographic that are outraged by removal of the mural would also support the removal of Milo Yiannopoulos. Richie has since apologised.
Cian Healy tweeted last night ‘Ya ain’t alternative these days unless you’re in front of a blue wall’. This refered to the raft of tweets of repeal the 8th supporters posing in front of the Project Art centre wall where the reapeal the 8th mural has since been removed.
Both men received quite nasty digital attacks on twitter, have deleted their tweets and apologised publicly.
Thanks Buses.
Those monsters!
Hopefully those affected will be able to, if not recover completely, at least begin to come to terms with the horror those two men have inflicted on the world.
Yes, you two should start a collection to pay for counselling for poor Richie and Cian. I can’t believe they had to go through the horror of having the deliberately provocative opinions of theirs, which they published, be criticised on Twitter. You’re right Justin, people are monsters.
My pleasure.
Indeed. Is there a nobler soul than the Internet Iconoclast?
It’s OK Moyest. The bad men have said sorry for saying those nasty things.
Oh good. And have Richie and Cian dried their eyes and accepted the apologies yet?
Moyest, they weren’t even really opinions that disagreed with the aim of the campaign at all. They just questioned the way in which the campaign was behaving.
I have not wanted to criticise this new brand of american campus ‘safe space’ based speech, but to see that it has crept in to domestic issues is truly scary. But maybe I should Check My Privilege..
“They just questioned the way in which the campaign was behaving.”
Sure, except what one said was complete nonsense and what the other said was just insulting. And also complete nonsense.
“I have not wanted to criticise this new brand of american campus ‘safe space’”
See the way you just painted two guys who said stupid things as victims because people criticised what they said on Twitter? So you mean a Safe Space for yourself and those guys where you’re free to say insulting things about those big Liberal meanies and nobody can respond?
I actually consider myself to be a big ole liberal.
It is the hypocrisy of the movement who branded the two I was discussing that interests me. I think I made my point clear earlier and there is no need to re-hash it.
I thoroughly disagree that what one of them said was non-sense and what the other said was insulting. I would be interested to hear how you came to those two conclusions?
Moyest has a point. Everyone has the right to say pretty much what they want on the twItter. Healy and Egan deserve no more protection for their opinions than those whose opinon is that they shouldn’t say those things.
Everything’s fine now though that the people who first offered an opinion or asked a question have now been silenced. They’ve apologised, mended their ways and deleted their tweets. This is progress.
“I actually consider myself to be a big ole liberal.”
In the same way Renua were considering rebranding with that word?
“It is the hypocrisy of the movement who branded the two I was discussing that interests me.”
There is no hypocrisy in “the movement”. One is a painting of a heart on a wall. The other is racist abuse aimed at a black woman because she made a live action cartoon.
“I thoroughly disagree that what one of them said was non-sense and what the other said was insulting. I would be interested to hear how you came to those two conclusions?”
I’m not really sure how to explain to someone that posting fake racist statements attributed to a black woman who your fans are barraging with racist abuse because of a cartoon is different to a painting of a heart with a non insulting slogan on it beyond just saying it’s different. Similarly, it’s difficult to see how someone would not recognise that sarcastically implying lots of people who support the repealing of the 8th, a very serious and important topic, are just vacuous fashion followers looking to be seen as cool and don’t really know what they’re talking about.
*is insulting, I meant to add at the end there. *cough*
Why did they apologise? Why did they delete their accounts?
Could they not just shut their laptop and walk away from the computer? Easy solution!
Right?
You would think.
Neither deleted their account. Why they apolgised I can only speculate was due to the pressure they were under.
Pressure? It’s just words on a screen though, right. How could you let it affect you that much. Either block them or walk away from the computer. Maybe not a good idea to have a Twitter account if you can’t handle the flak.
At least, that’s what I’ve always heard people say when someone is attacked on Twitter.
Well, words have meaning Caroline. Why don’t you just walk away from broadsheet right now?
Yeah I’m just deploying the argument used whenever someone, often a woman, complains about being subjected to sustained abuse on Twitter. If you’re on Twitter or in any way familiar with how the argument goes, it’s a very obvious cliche.
The purposeful misunderstanding is a common tactic for these guys, Caroline. Everybody reading knows exactly what you’re talking about and so does Mr Buses.
These lads don’t mind being even more stupid than they can help if it manages to divert the discussion.
The Real Jane, Why are you presuming I am male?
Because of this tiresome nonsense.
Well, that is very misandrous of you to say. But, thank you for showing your true colours.
a bit of rubbish graffiti should advance the cause no end.
All these cakes and jumpers, who is running this campaign, Eoin McLove?
If he were we might get a new jam: The Cutesy-Wutesy Scrape Out Ran Down The Water Spout.
I wouldn’t say ran down, sometimes it takes a few flushes.