‘The Taxpayer Got Full Value For Money’

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This evening.

On RTÉ’s Six One.

Chairman of Nama Frank Daly was interviewed by Brian Dobson.

At the very  end of the interview:

Brian Dobson: “You still say tonight, that the taxpayer got full value?”

Frank Daly: “I say, absolutely, the taxpayer got full value for money. And I say it even more strongly now in a post-Brexit environment. If we were trying to sell that portfolio now – we would not get offers anywhere near £1.32billion).”

Watch back in full here

Alternatively…

Namawinelake writes:

What loss did Nama make on the Project Eagle transaction?

Depends on how you define “loss”!

The Nama projection of its ultimate profit by 2020 is €2.3billion. If it hadn’t sold Project Eagle in 2014, and worked the loads out between 2014-2020, the ultimate profit would be €2.74billion. So, the loss is €440million*.

By selling the loans in 2014, Nama did not generate £1.68billion in projected net cash receipts by 2020 on those loans. Instead, it sold the loans for £1.3billion.

So, the loss is £380m (€444m). This loss arose from two decisions (1) the decision to sell in 2014 rather than manage the loans until 2020 and (2) the decision to sell the loans below Nama’s own valuation.

On the other hand, if you compare the safe value of the loans in 2013 (£1.3billion) versus the Nama valuation of the loans in 2014 (£1.49billion), the loss is £190million (€222m).

Facts

1-  Nama has until 2020 to manage its loans so as to maximise their value for the taxpayer. Nama did not have to sell the loans in 2014; it could have managed the loans until 2020, which would have resulted in the loans generating £1.68billion, according to Nama’s own projections.

2-  Nama used the proceeds from the sale of Project Eagle to redeem senior bonds which have a zero (technically a minus) interest rate. Nama could have used the proceeds from the Project Eagle sale to invest in its assets, but it didn’t; Nama used the cash to pay down its own debt which cost it nothing.

Report Extracts (which emphasis added).

“In a paper submitted to the Board for the December 2013 meeting (reproduced in Appendix C) the Nama executive sought the Board’s approval for the sale of the loans. The paper indicated that the total Nama debt for the loans at the end November 2013 was £1.98 billion – equivalent to 43% of the par debt.”

“Cash flow projections indicated that Nama would realise net receipts totalling £1.68 billion over the period 2014 to 2020 if it worked out the loans through the sale of the underlying assets in line with its formal strategy.”

“The minimum price of £1.3billion set for the sale of the Project Eagle portfolio was significantly less than Nama projected it would realise from working out the loans – an estimated £1.68billion, equivalent to £1.49billion in NPV terms, using Nama’s standard discount rate.”

The difference between the minimum price and the projected NPV of the workout was up to £190million, depending on the extent to which the adjustment of the 2017 disposal proceeds was valid.”

“As a result, the decision to sell the loans at £1.3billion involved a significant profitable loss of value to the State.”

“Ultimately, the loss incurred when the sale was completed was recognised in Nama’s financial statements for 2014.”

Previously: ‘A Probably Loss Of Value To The State Of Up To €190million’

UPDATE:

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Independents 4 Change TD Mick Wallace writes:

“For too long the Minister for Finance and Taoiseach have displayed breathtaking indifference, and at times arrogance, to any form of oversight of NAMA.

The C&AG report deals with just one aspect of NAMA’s operation – if the Government want all the truth in the open, only a truly Independent Commission of Investigation has any chance of exposing just how dysfunctional this organisation has been, and what the cost has been to the people of Ireland.

 Until then, the proceeds of the sale of Project Eagle should be frozen, under the ‘Proceeds of Crime Act’ and all NAMA activities should be suspended.

Previously: Project Eagle And the €3.5billion Haircut

16 thoughts on “‘The Taxpayer Got Full Value For Money’

    1. Sheik Yahbouti

      Of course we got full value for money, as we do in every aspect of our lives in this great Republic of ours. Rolls Royce services, public administration second to none – it’s a Veritable utopia I tells ya. That rat Daly and even our own dear Dukes should die now, with all their little hangers on, as miserably as possible please.

      1. Sheik Yahbouti

        Sorry, forgot to say “Brexit, Brexit, Brexit” as if it means anything. Also Nama execs should. BY LAW, be entitled to acquire property at ten cent on the dollah (in absolute secrecy, of course).

  1. Cian

    While NAMA has until 2020 to sell off all it’s property., it can’t keep *everything* until then. So it needs to sell off an appropriate amount each year, 10% for reach of 10 years.

    1. Captain freegear

      Why would they keep everything till 2020? If they kept them till even now they would have made more money!! All they needed to do was sit on the loans for a year or two more; pitchforks me hole

  2. Ronan Fitzgerald

    Jesus, I’m expecting to see John Tierny’s name pop up here, as I though he was usually the one to loose millions / billions more than once…

  3. Truth in the News

    How long will Daly last and “Old Noddy” Noonan and regime propped up by
    Fianna Fail…its Bye Bye time, the whole episode stinks
    Mr Wallace has done the state a service, Why wasn’t action taken when he first
    raised the issue, incidently where are the “Swish Robinsons” now.

    1. Uncle Festering

      “Wallace doing the state some service”?

      You are aware that he has an agenda re NAMA? Not that NAMA shouldn’t have it’s hole kicked from pillar to post but Wallace isn’t really the most credible person to be doing it.

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