‘Somebody Has Got To Go To Jail Over This’

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Former Garda whistleblower John Wilson

This morning.

Former Garda John Wilson who – along with Sgt Maurice McCabe – made the public aware of how penalty points were being quashed for certain people in Ireland, was interviewed by Joe Finnegan on Shannonside radio station.

They discussed last night’s Prime Time show and what Sgt Maurice McCabe has been through.

During the interview, Mr Wilson was audibly tearful.

Joe Finnegan: “John, good morning to you.”

John Wilson: “Good morning, Joe.”

Finnegan: “Thank you for taking the call. Already today, I know, you have described this saga if I can call it that, as the worst scandal in the history of our republic.”

Wilson: “Yes, Joe, without doubt. I’ve been away a long time from these issues. But, watching Prime Time last night, I was truly shocked and I see myself as someone who’s not easily shocked. And we have to take into consideration here, that we’re dealing with a human being, a wonderful individual who has, you know, he is a very, very quiet, decent man. And, you know, putting petrol in a diesel car, Joe, is a mistake. But this appalling vista can not be classified as just a mistake. I believe that there are dirty Garda fingerprints all over this scandal and I think that the way Maurice McCabe has being treated, it’s criminal.”

“We’re very short, Joe, in this country, of accountability. We’ve lots of inquiries and commissions of investigations but nobody has ever, as far as I’m concerned, has ever been held accountable and that’s got to change now.”

“When Martin Callinan departed the scene, I called for an outsider to be brought in as commissioner, the day after he left and, of course, that didn’t happen. And we were left with the same tune being played by a different orchestra and I am absolutely, I am gutted, I thought I was beyond shockable but seeing that programme last night and knowing the distress that these false and malicious allegations have done to that man. He’s a very, very quiet, dignified, decent man..”

Finnegan: “All right…”

Talk over each other

Finnegan: “I just want to stop you there because I want to try and humanise this, if I can at all. We all know the details and the shocking, shocking details which were revealed last night. But, you know, every time I see Maurice McCabe on the television, it’s the same for all our listeners this morning, we see a guy with a rucksack, dashing into Leinster House, we see a guy in uniform, running away from a posse of cameras. John, tell me about the Maurice McCabe that you know.”

Wilson: “Well, Joe, I’m not Maurice McCabe’s spokesperson. As a human being, I first met him in 2002 when I was transferred to Clones. And, I won’t go into the full issues, I mean I arrived there under a cloud, again through malicious gossip from Garda management. And I found Maurice to be a decent, professional individual. He treated everybody with respect. If you were the richest man in the town or the poorest man in the town, he had the same time for you. And he treated you with the same respect. He treated everybody with dignity, as he still does.”

“He has two passions in his life, Joe. His family and cars and that’s it. He’s a very, very decent individual. I’m very, very upset, Joe, naturally, but the toll this has taken on the man – and he has remained dignified throughout… you’ve seen it before. He went before the PAC and, as you say, you’ve seen him, he’s the man with the satchel on his back…”

“But these individuals, many of them who should be in jail, have destroyed his life. And they have, I have no doubt, they have reduced his life expectancy. He’s a very, very decent. I cannot…I mean, the Irish public, Joe, and the Garda Commissioner should be proud that a person of his calibre, as a member of our national police force.”

Finnegan: “May I ask John have you been talking to him in the last number of hours?”

Wilson: “No, Joe, I was speaking to him yesterday. I haven’t been speaking to him today. But, as I said, even though I was aware of these serious allegations watching Prime Time last night, I thought I was beyond shockable but I think it’s the most shocking programme that has appeared on Prime Time television in this country, since RTE was established. And that’s saying something. And we’ve been through, and the public are aware of many scandals down through the years. I think, this is, you know what I mean, this is, as far as I’m concerned, I’m cognisant I’m on live radio but there’s been a criminal conspiracy to destroy this man, to destroy a life, his credibility, his reputation. If you haven’t got your reputation and your credibitility, Joe, you’ve got nothing.”

“And to label somebody a paedophile, there’s nothing lower, there’s nothing lower, Joe. And you know, Joe, that when someone is accused of being a paedophile or of child sex abuse, there’s always someone in the corner ‘ah, yeah, ah the report has vindicated him, ah yeah, ah yeah, they all say he’s innocent, but there’s no smoke without fire’.”

“They have destroyed the man. This is unforgivable and somebody has got to go to jail over this, Joe. It’s not good enough having a Commission of Investigation. Somebody has got to end up in prison over this. Or more than one individual. I can assure you. And it is, you know what I mean, criminals know who they are. But I can tell you, Joe, there are lots of criminals in this country wearing uniforms and pretending to be guardians of the peace. And I think it’s time the Irish people started shouting and screaming ‘no more, no more. We want a police service that we can be proud of’.”

Listen back in full here

Earlier: Pasted In Error

Previously: John Wilson on Broadsheet

21 thoughts on “‘Somebody Has Got To Go To Jail Over This’

  1. shitferbrains

    Considering someone has been promoted over this, the notion of someone doing time is laughable.

  2. Daddy

    So cross the State Police force here and they put out lies calling you a child abuser. And the Government of the day stick by the Commissioner.

    Weird little country we live in.

    What an evil little machine the top brass of An Garda Siochana are. Akin to a secret police from 1930s Germany.

    1. Topsy

      I’m only surprised that Sgt McCabe has been able to withstand this overwhelming pressure he has been put under. Dreadful stuff & the government up to necks in it.

  3. Mary Jane

    Yes, and like the Stasi they have been spying on ordinary members of society for years, quite often at the request of their political masters.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this leads to a general election.

    We’ve had a couple of incidents in the past which have caused the collapse of a government

    1. Daddy

      The Garda Siochana have for several decades been used as a political police to harass and frame people who never committed any crime other than challenge and expose the actual crimes of politicians, civil servants and their colleagues.

      This mostly involved politically interested people on the left, including union activists. And this was ignored and tolerated by middle Ireland because it was conservative and very anti-socialist.

      But because it was tolerated, hundreds if not thousands of entirely innocent people had their lives and prospects ruined as a result through false arrests, rumours and framing for fictional crimes. And in the process, rampant corruption and very serious criminality among state servants and politicians went unchallenged.

      We have had an secret police in this country since the foundation of the state.

  4. Kdoc1

    The top brass in the Gardaí are, to borrow a phrase from Hilary Clinton, ‘a basket of deplorables’.

  5. Joe Cool

    Srg. Maurice mcCabe is the last of the honourable decent men. This makes my blood boil, rather than route out all corruption and cover ups, he’s been subjected to this. This sort of corruption is rife in Ireland, from institution to institution. nepotism, corruption and sack the honest do gooder then covering it up has gone in too long. We are awash with it

  6. Odockatee

    I think it’s been well known that the Guards have never been adverse to arresting a fewer Shinners just before polling day and turning a blind eye for certain respected individuals mis-haps but this is shocking even by our low public standards. It’s like they were trying to drive McCabe to do serious harm to himself, the excuses tell you all you need to know. Copy and paste job? Is that even supposed to be a reasonable excuse? They have utter contempt to have to justify their dealings and there’s no bigger illustration than that

  7. Mike

    I myself am going through 3 yrs of harrasment and intimidation by a member in the traffic corp because i made a complaint against him he continued to harrass me on a regular basis and still going on even after ive had an inspector speak to him they are a law among themselves and do what they want its time there was a big clear out from top to bottom

  8. Truth in the News

    It has taken from 1923 to 2017 to discover that what is termed “policing by consent,” is fact “policing
    by contempt” for the citizens of this state at the behest of politicians and state officials of the highest
    rank, it has been a cosy relationship till now, the nod and the wink ruled ok
    As a first step all the penalty points cancelled need to be reinstated, whats Shane Ross doing about this:

  9. Murtles

    Clerical error me hole. There is no way anyone with a command of the English language copys and pastes a paragraph that damning onto an innocent persons name. This was out and out corruption to defame an innocent man. The fact there was more than person involved makes it a conspiracy. And what is the age old and typical answer from this government. A commission of enquiry that has 9 months to report back. Nice amount of time to sweep all evidence away.

  10. RotasOne

    The gaurds have used political policing to undermine the already weak left here and propped up ff fg like anything. The commissioner remains despite numerous scandals that should have her sipping tea up north with Arlene. You’re taking us for a ride ,my dear , but it’s just not very good. Time to get off and jail the dirt. Rats will only lead to more rats …

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